From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #130 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Friday, August 29 1997 Volume 03 : Number 130 In this issue: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Re : How to bootleg! Re: (kw) Re : How to bootleg! (kw) Karlsruhe Hotels Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Mouse on Mars on 'Bounce' 180 Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Re : How to bootleg! (kw) Re : New album news Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #128 Re: (kw) Re : New album news (kw) Kraftwerk Live-Links (kw) new page (kw) Aktivitaet issue 9 now available Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Tickets for Linz Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #129 Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help (kw) VCR alert, YAMO (kw) Do not lean out of the window Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window Re: SV: (kw) Classification (kw) jbv Robotics inc. (kw) Aktivitaet Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. (kw) German : your first lesson See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:41:29 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help jbv wrote: >Actually, i'm just back from a birthday party, slightly drunk, >Prodigy playing full blast in my cozy home Actually, I think you've got to be ENGLISH to truly appreciate prodigy!!! hehehe ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:05:15 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : How to bootleg! >Now tell your totally wacked neigbours around you that you >are bootlegging and that they get a record if they can shut up during > the concert. And don't forget to tell Ralf that he gets a record if he sings in tune. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:33:24 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Re : How to bootleg! jbv wrote: >And don't forget to tell Ralf that he gets a record if he sings in tune. hehe.=20 He might as well have told him where he will be and when he's going to do it!!! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:39:54 +0200 (CES) From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Hotels I've added the following link to my Karlsruhe gig info page (URL: http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unhj/kwlive.html): http://www.imedia.de/to/deu/bad/en/h1/449.htm Here you can find information about hotels and boarding houses in Karlsruhe. - -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de - -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:39:09 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Thorsten Dowe wrote: >Probably you have to play it on full blast to truly appreciate it!!! Of course! Why not? ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:53:27 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars on 'Bounce' 180 Hi 'Werkers, Japanese edition of "bounce", a free magazine from Tower Records Japan, has an article on Mouse on Mars. Refer page 15 of Issue Nr. 180, September 1997. It's very introductory and has almost nothing new, probably because the band is not yet known in Japan. The only news is, that they might have a chance to visit Japan in this October. You can believe it or not for now, BTW. ;-) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:56:59 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Jules Seifert wrote: >Actually, I think you've got to be ENGLISH to truly appreciate >prodigy!!! hehehe Who said that appreciate Prodigy ? I only needed some background noise to stay awake... Hihihi jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:37:16 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : How to bootleg! jbv wrote: >And don't forget to tell Ralf that he gets a record if he sings in tune. Jules Seifert wrote : >He might as well have told him where he will be and when he's going to >do it!!! Mmmmh, actually this is a very clever trick. At the next gigs, the entrance guys will pay attention to everyone with a leather jacket, but will forget about people with funny hats. And of course, or friend will hide his equipment in his hat ! I've used this trick many times. As I have long hair and look like a drug dealer, I usually attract the attention of custom officers. So, while dogs are sniffing every corner of my car, a friend of mine, nice-looking, clean, with tie & suit (and BMW, and 50 kilos of stuff in the trunk) crosses the border right behind me, and none pays attention to him. It works in supermarkets too. jbv PS : yes I know it's getting slightly off-topic, but there's still 2 months to kill until the next KW gig, and 3 years until the next album... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:00:59 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : New album news Lars Bull wrote : >I can now tell you that Swedish EMI yesterday confirmed that ALL plans for >a new album AND re-release of Man-Machine are trashed for the moment. History repeats itself. Such similar rumors used to come and go in 81, 86 and 91. Actually, I remember the good old days of the 70s when KW were not as famous and HAD to prove that their music was worth listening to, and used to release an album EVERY YEAR. Ralf is not really paranoid, he's rather an old perverse guy who likes to play with our nerves, for he knows that we're all waiting for new material like Pavlov's dogs for the bell ring. If less attention would be paid to them, I'm sure that things would move on faster... I have a suggestion : let's change the name of this list to Electric Musik & Yamo@xmission.com and let's see what happens. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:28:45 +0200 From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help jbv wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > i've always thought that someone who doesn't speak at least some > german is not a real KW fan. > For instance, those english-speaking people who pronounce KW as > "craftwork" always pissed me off. >=20 > How stupid my postings can be ? you have no idea... >=20 >=20 I must say that i do not like this. I thought that this was a friendly mailing list. KW fans should keep together!!! M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:10:03 -0300 From: osvaldo@dds.nl Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #128 Hi all, I download the AVI file from Kraftwerk site and I converted it to audio WAV with compression MP3 to play with the built-in Windows 95 player. The original AVI file - as you must know - is 4422Kb and the new WAV file now is ONLY 90 Kb. So if some of you, who cannot spend much time in downloading the AVI file and want to listen to the audio part of it, just email me and I will kindly send you such a WAV file. That's all for now. Bye Osvaldo ************************************************************* Enigma Lyrics Page (New URL): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875/lyrics.htm My Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7875 E-mail: sayago@internet.siscotel.com ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:25:42 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Re : New album news > Ralf is not really paranoid, he's rather an old perverse guy who likes > to play with our nerves, for he knows that we're all waiting for new > material like Pavlov's dogs for the bell ring. > If less attention would be paid to them, I'm sure that things would > move on faster... Actually there are relatively few people who cares about Kraftwerk right now besides this mailing list. I know people who appreciate Kraftwerk very much, but consider them as a part of the past and don't believe R&F can't bring something really new on the modern e-music scene anymore. ...So if Ralf read this hope he'll feel offensed enough to prove the contrary ;-) Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1997 17:13:00 +0200 From: M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Live-Links Im searching Links to Homepages with Kraftwerk-Live-Tracks in the Web. I hope a member of the List can help me. Sorry my english is not good. Thank s - -- Marko=B7 GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.wekotec.com/kraftwerk/ # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:34:38 -0700 From: Kornel Kiss Subject: (kw) new page Hi! I am new to this mailing list, I never posted here but I read the mails from time to time. Anyway, I am building my homepage step by step and I began a Kraftwerk section which is in a very early construction phase. There will be a lot of changes there. If you know any good links to Kraftwerk related material please email it. For now you can visit my page at: http://pages.infinit.net/myriad Come visit often Kornel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:38:23 -0400 From: Ian Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet issue 9 now available 'About bloody time productions' proudly present... A K T I V I T =C4 T I S S U E N =BA 9 A U G U S T 1 9 9 7 The new issue of AKTIVIT=C4T is now available. = Aktivit=E4t 9 is 40 pages long plus a colour cover (42 pages total). = Pages 20 and 21 are also in colour for this issue. = Issue 9 contains the following articles; ACTIVITY (News, reviews of the various artists 'Trancewerk Express Vol. 2= ' and Yamo's 'Time Pie' album) = 'ELECTRIC TECHNO CAFE POP' (A look back at the 'Electric Cafe' album) = UPDATE; 'THE TIME THE BAND FORGOT...' (A review of a 1976 live tape) = NO SLEEP TILL LUTON! (Tribal Gathering 1997 review) = 'EX-KRAFTWERKER =97 SEEKS LIKE MINDED MUSICIANS' PART 2 = (The story of NEU!, La Dusseldorf, Harmonia etc.) = QUESTIONS/ANSWERS 2 (More myths/facts) = 'FAHR'N AUF DER INFOBAHN' (An article all about various KW WWW sites up a= nd running presently) = Also; Small Ads = The front and back covers include exclusive colour pics from this years Tribal Gathering event. Aktivit=E4t 9 costs =A32.50 plus postage = Further details are available from myself at; aktivitaet@compuserve.com All copies should now have been mailed. There was a problem with a duff batch of the colour covers = which has meant that some of the copies were not mailed until the past fe= w days. All subscribers should = receive their copy within the next two days at latest (UK) and the next week - week and a half (overseas) = I would hope. I hope to make the articles from issue 9 readily available in a WWW forma= t in the near future... = watch this space for further details. In the meantime, if there is sufficient demand shown, I can email = the articles to the mailing list in portions as was done in the past. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:35:52 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help Jules Seifert wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > >Actually, i'm just back from a birthday party, slightly drunk, > >Prodigy playing full blast in my cozy home > > Actually, I think you've got to be ENGLISH to truly appreciate > prodigy!!! hehehe > > ciao, > Probably you have to play it on full blast to truly appreciate it!!! Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:57:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: (kw) Tickets for Linz Hi! Due to internal technical Problems, Posthof has sceduled the starting of Ticket Pre-Sale from today to September 2nd. So we have to wait a few days more for tickets for linz. The Problems have nothing to do with the Kraftwerk Gig...... This for your information Greetings zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:45:47 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help You wrote: > >I must say that i do not like this. I thought that this was a friendly mailing list. IT IS a friendly list. But a little bit of provocation never hurts. I'm sure some members got shocked and think I should apologize. But at the same time, I was feeling so good when writing that post... If it can make you feel better, I even refrained myself from being really cynical ! >KW fans should keep together!!! Why ? Are we going to fight against Prodigy fans ? Or Depeche Mode fans ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:50:44 -0700 From: Craig Smith Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #129 Hello all! I'm new to the list so I thought I would introduce myself and say hello... my name is Craig and I'm a new KW fan from the US. I was wondering if somebody could e-mail me the set list from the Tribal Gathering show. I've found an online broadcast of it but I didn't hear anything new in it... is the broadcast I heard edited? Thanks for listening... :) VISIT THE DUNGEON at http://www.voicenet.com/~effigy "I don't dwell on things I'm missing, I'm just pleased with the things I've found." - Morrissey, "Ammunition" ATTENTION NO DOUBT FANS! Join the Doghouse Mailing List for the latest info on the band! E-mail me to subscribe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:14:31 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help >>> Actually, I think you've got to be ENGLISH to truly appreciate prodigy!!!! <<< OK, so then why's Kool Keith (aka Dr. Octagon), a hip-hop MC from the USA, on one of the tracks on "Fat of the Land"? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:21:21 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) wrote: >OK, so then why's Kool Keith (aka Dr. Octagon), a hip-hop MC from the >USA, on one of the tracks on "Fat of the Land"? Peace. I knew that one would cause a scene! Listen Adam, I'm not talkin' bout Fat of the Land. That's just shite. I'm talkin' bout the effect prodigy had in the early '90's when the rave scene burst round the M25 here in England. there was nothin'...NOTHIN to touch it! Prodigy were a huge dominator of that whole scene with releases like 'where evil lurks', 'charly', 'everybody in the place' and so on. To me it was a personal inspiration, and the best times of my life. I don't know why kool keith was put on 'fat', you tell me! They're on a big US label over there eh? Maybe they'll sell more copies with a US mc?=20 You gotta realise Adam. 'fat' is a small part of prodigy. most of the english remember a whole bunch more. Lastly, I was actually takin' the piss out of jbv, 'cos he said you had to speak german to truly appreciate kraftwerk. I was merely gettin him back!! I wasn't havin a go at any particular culture or country..............peace. ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:38:50 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help - ---------- > From: jbv > i've always thought that someone who doesn't speak at least some > german is not a real KW fan. > For instance, those english-speaking people who pronounce KW as > "craftwork" always pissed me off. you what? how about enjoying the music for it's own sake? that's like saying you can't appreciate opera unless you speak italian. jesus, some people... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:11:33 +0200 From: Oli Subject: (kw) VCR alert, YAMO Hi Kraftwerkians, don't miss this on TV: Saturday, 30.August, VIVA2, 5:00pm-6:00pm, 'Geschmackssache: Yamo' the show will be repeated on 9.September, 9:00am VIVA2 can be viewed over Eutelsat 'HotBird' or some non-Telekom Cable- TV-Networks in Germany. Enjoy it! Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:09:20 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Do not lean out of the window OK people. It's time to make everything clear and to stop wasting BW : Did anyone on this list REALLY thought I could be serious when I posted such stupid statements as : > i've always thought that someone who doesn't speak at least some > german is not a real KW fan. > For instance, those english-speaking people who pronounce KW as > "craftwork" always pissed me off. If the answer is "yes", well... ROBOT, are you there ? I need a translator : how do you say "tongue in cheek" in german ? Honestly, that makes me think a lot : it's really amazing how a couple of bad jokes without afterthoughts posted on a nice evening after a party can trigger such misunderstandings (and even some argument between Prodigy fans and Jules, as I noticed lately). I kindly invite every list member to follow closely the sequences of messages sent to the list, and to read headers : very often, some (bad) jokes are posted in reaction to previous messages. For instance, in that case, it was a kind of reaction to a couple of previous messages ("how to bootleg" and "Karlsruhe help"). Speaking of the latter, please tell me how someone who doesn't know what a "zuruck button" is can understand anything about "Ruckzug" ? Yes I agree, my jokes can be sometimes quite bad. But my problem is that I realize the fact only when my messages appear on the list. But to be honnest, the more I get that kind of reactions, the more i feel like posting even worst jokes... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:14:59 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window ROBOT's .02 bar of gold-plated latinum's worth regarding jbv's "FlameBait": Hi, guys! Far be it from ME to criticize anyone else's "lame jokes" on this List. I knew he was just being "smart-@$$ed", and I'm sure the "BootLeg Tips" were equally facetious, so, I took no offense. Likewise, I'm sorry if anyone is offended by my silliness. Some people take some of my statements the wrong way, too. We ALL need to lighten up. Being deprived of The VIBES has us all on edge. - -(jbv said)- > Did anyone on this list REALLY thought -(think)- I could be serious when > I posted such stupid statements as : "I've always thought that someone > who doesn't speak at least some german is not a real KW fan"? Yeah, I knew it was a joke, but, seriously- I don't think one HAS to speak German in order to be a KW fan, although it IS nice to understand the lyrics. I must say I think they sound BETTER in German than in English. - -(Insert initials: In My Humble Opinion)- > ROBOT, are you there ? I need a translator : how do you say "tongue > in cheek" in german ? ME?? I wish I knew. -(Tongue = Zunge, I think. "Cheek"? I dunno.)- I only studied one year of German in college back in '85/86. Ask a native. Idioms are often lost in translation. I know barely enough to translate KW lyrics and say familiar phrases to all the nice Tourists I meet. -('Some Spanish, too. I'm WERKing on Japanese, French, etc....)- Granted, KW sparked the Germanophile in me, but, I've always been fascinated with various languages. -(With me, it comes from the heart, not the brain. The spirit understands. I love meeting folks from all over the Planet- and beyond!)- We all enjoy KW to one degree or another, or we wouldn't all be here- yeah, I know I'm WAY over the deep end, but- as a man named Rodney King once said: "Can't we all just get along?" Well, I'm off to the tattoo parlor tomorrow. I want "KRAFTWERK" in LCD font in a PC-type "window/display" on my left shoulder. -(and maybe a small RA symbol on the right side, and hinges on the elbows & knees for a ROBOTiK visual effect.)- Hell, why not? LOTS of people get their fave band's name/logo tattoed on their bodies. My skin is a virgin canvas. ps: Does anybody think I'm kidding? TRY me! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:23:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe help On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: > But at the same time, I was feeling so good when writing that post... What, you were drunk again? That's no excuse. :) Then again, that makes you flammable. Don't drink and post - accidents cause flames. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:06:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: > OK people. It's time to make everything clear and to stop wasting BW : > Did anyone on this list REALLY thought I could be serious when I > posted such stupid statements as : Yes, because the world (and the Internet, unfortunately) are full of incredibly immature people who thrive on making inflammatory comments. It would be nice if that weren't the case, but so far it's not legal to kill them. > ROBOT, are you there ? I need a translator : how do you say "tongue > in cheek" in german ? And also "foot in mouth" while you're at it, please. :) > Honestly, that makes me think a lot : it's really amazing how a couple > of bad jokes without afterthoughts posted on a nice evening after a > party can trigger such misunderstandings (and even some argument > between Prodigy fans and Jules, as I noticed lately). As I said, don't drink and post. > Speaking of the latter, please tell me how someone who doesn't know > what a "zuruck button" is can understand anything about "Ruckzug" ? What does "zuruck" mean? > Yes I agree, my jokes can be sometimes quite bad. But my problem is > that I realize the fact only when my messages appear on the list. > But to be honnest, the more I get that kind of reactions, > the more i feel like posting even worst jokes... Nothing wrong with a bad joke here and there, but some of us couldn't tell they were jokes. Remember, text is a limited medium - we can't always tell what mood you were in when you wrote. Mind you, I know I sometimes have a hard time detecting tongue-in-cheek. See posts from a few weeks ago about "what was played at TG?" ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:19:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, ROBOT wrote: > equally facetious, so, I took no offense. Likewise, I'm sorry if anyone is > offended by my silliness. Some people take some of my statements the wrong > way, too. We ALL need to lighten up. Being deprived of The VIBES has us > all on edge. Your silliness is a welcome relief sometimes. :) > Well, I'm off to the tattoo parlor tomorrow. I want "KRAFTWERK" in LCD > font in a PC-type "window/display" on my left shoulder. -(and maybe a > small RA symbol on the right side, and hinges on the elbows & knees for > a ROBOTiK visual effect.)- Hell, why not? LOTS of people get their fave > band's name/logo tattoed on their bodies. My skin is a virgin canvas. > ps: Does anybody think I'm kidding? TRY me! GIF! GIF! Send us a photo afterwards. ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:02:02 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification tom w wrote: >and what about this heat and tuxedomoon? Tuxedomoon industrial? Impossible! OK, so they have used synthesizers but that's about it. Their heavy classical/opera influences might or might not have something in common with industrial music but not to my ear. The only thing I can come up with, that has to do with Tuxedomoon, that is remotely in the vein with industrial music is that Blaine (in one of his solo efforts) made a track titled "Ralf and Florian on the beach". If someone has a recording with Tuxedomoon that contradict my opinion please e-mail me privately. Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:10:15 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. Hello human beings, [BTW, this is a serious post - no joke involved, no tongue in cheek, no foot in mouth, no pain in the ass, nothing like that - and I drank only milk, so far] Is there any robotics specialist on this list ? I hope the subject hasn't been discussed before : I was wondering how much it could cost to design & build robots like KW. I don't have many clues on the subject (I'm much more into software and DIY analog synths), but obviously those robots are build around MIDI-driven small electric engines. I wonder if there are already some ready-made stuff (like kits) on the market that can be used for various purposes, or if everything has to be customized... The reason I ask is that for a few weeks, I'm seriously thinking of building a similar robot at my own effigy (is it the right way to say that in english ?). Any advice is welcome. Another problem will be the reproduction of the face (a problem which has nothing to do with robotics). Does anyone know a good adress for that ? Actually, it would be nice to go to the next KW gigs with my own robot. May be R&F would allow me to plug it into their gear and watch it move in sync with their own robots... Do you think I should have to buy another ticket for the robot ? And last but not least, I'm sure it would be possible to hide some gear for bootleging inside the body of the robot ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:30:09 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet I'd like to thank Ian Calder for his (once again) excellent fanzine Aktivitaet, which I received this morning. However, I feel saddened on reading that issue 10 will be the last issue. I have found this production to be a compliment to the content on the www, and, as they said when cd first appeared: 'there's nothing like holding the real thing in your hands' I wonder if the list members would be willing to offer an alternative to a 'one man band' for future issues, thus keeping it alive, and reducing Ian's workload? ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 05:13:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, jbv wrote: > Is there any robotics specialist on this list ? I'm a Technologist. Will that do? > I hope the subject hasn't been discussed before : I was wondering > how much it could cost to design & build robots like KW. I don't know all the construction details of KW's robots. They don't look terribly complicated. The cost depends on if you use salvage or buy new parts. The biggest expense will be tools if you don't already have them. You'll need some sturdy metal tubes and welding equipment to make the frames. The face and chest plate look like fibreglass. I know nothing about working with that stuff. You need sturdy electric motors, especially for the shoulders. Depending on what you make the arms out of, the shoulder motors will have to life 5 pounds or more, depending on how you gear the joints. The elbows and wrists don't need such strong motors, but constructing the joints themselves might be tricky. That's something to ask a physical engineer about. Naturally you need a powerful battery (like a car battery) or a good power supply to run the motors. Once you've constructed the robot and made sure the motors can actually make it dance, you need a control system. There's a number of ways you can go with that. You can build yourself a dedicated MIDI interpreter, which will probably be quite complex in terms of number of components, or use a microcomputer. You want something that accepts MIDI data and translates it into on/off signals controlling the motors via relays, SCRs or high-power transistors. Incidentally, stepper motors are probably your best bet because you can precisely control how far they move without feedback sensors. Trouble is large steppers are heavy and hard to find. As for the interpreter, you might be able to find something on the market. I don't know. Myself I would build a bare-bones microcomputer with a serial input for the MIDI data and parallel outputs to control the motors. This would involve, for example, a 6802 microprocessor, 6821 parallel I/O, 6850 serial I/O, a RAM chip, a ROM chip for the interpreter program, and assorted support logic for these chips. Naturally you'd have to write the program for it in assembler and have it burned onto a ROM chip. If it's not a big program you can do it yourself in a day or two. Otherwise you need to find someone with a burner willing to do a small order. I can't give you any better than ballpark prices since I don't know where you are and what your access to junk shops and electronics stores is like. If I were to build one... let's see... I have a large stock of components already. I'd have to buy: Metal for the body: Say $20 to $50 at a junk yard. (Canadian $, BTW) Motors: I probably have two I could use, so say $50 to $200 for the big ones. Gears: I have no idea how much gears and pulleys cost. I would try to salvage some from scrapped equipment. Fiberglass parts: I'd use mannequin parts. $100 or a trip to the dump. Circuit boards and assorted little hardware: $50. Tools: I have some and I can use my father's tools. He doesn't have welding tools though so I'd pay someone to do the welding for me. $50 labor. Hope that helps. Sounds like a cool project. BTW, you could concievably do it for the low low price of _free_ if you managed to scavenge all the parts and borrow all the tools. > The reason I ask is that for a few weeks, I'm seriously thinking of > building a similar robot at my own effigy (is it the right way to say > that in english ?). Almost, though that could be taken to imply that you'll burn it in order to bring yourself bad luck. :) Perhaps "icon" or "surrogate" is the word you're looking for. I can't think of a better word at the moment (it's 5am). > And last but not least, I'm sure it would be possible to hide some > gear for bootleging inside the body of the robot ! LOL! /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:50:30 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) German : your first lesson Subject: Re: (kw) Do not lean out of the window Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:06:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra To: kraftwerk@xmission.com On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Ra wrote: > What does "zuruck" mean? "zuruck" means "return" : zuruck gehen -> to go back and BTW, "ruckzug" means "backtrain" :) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #130 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-kraftwerk": subscribe kraftwerk-digest local-kraftwerk@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "kraftwerk-digest" in the commands above with "kraftwerk". 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