From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #132 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, September 2 1997 Volume 03 : Number 132 In this issue: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Fl=FCr_interview_in_Future_Music?= Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. (kw) Mailing List Meeting Linz (kw) update! (kw) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" (kw) New e-address Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Re: (kw) Transmission Beam /Jarre / Cunningham (kw) Just my Sunday thoughts... (kw) New e-address Re: (kw) Just my Sunday thoughts... (kw) star trek and kraftwerk Re: (kw) star trek and kraftwerk (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Re: (kw) Electric Music on Rubayat... (kw) aktivitat issue 9 Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Fwd: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! (kw) WMNF Kraftwerk Retrospective (kw) KW Home Page SV: (kw) KW Home Page Re: (kw) Why a robot ? (kw) KW & Star Trek (kw) Off topic - J.M. Jarre (kw) Robotics (kw) Paparazzis Re: (kw) Paparazzis Re: (kw) Paparazzis Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek (kw) Ex-Kraftwerker Re: (kw) Paparazzis Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Re: (kw) "Transmission beam"/Szajner See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:08:14 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_Fl=FCr_interview_in_Future_Music?= I'm sure most readers of this list are familiar with the Wolfgang Flr interview recently published in UK music technology magazine Future Music. Subscribers to Future Music get a 'special subscribers newsletter' with their copy every month. The newsletter ('Subs Club' the publishers like to call it) is simply an A4 sheet stuffed into the envelope along with the magazine and CD. To be honest, it's usually a pretty mundane affair that holds the attention for all of about 10 seconds!. :-) However, this morning I was pleasantly suprised to open my subscription copy and find a previously unpublished section of the aforementioned interview featured in the newsletter as a 'subscribers exclusive'. enjoy - as Kraftwerk anecdotes go, it's a corker! ==== WOLFGANG NEEDS "TIME FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST MY SHOELACES" There was one question we omitted from FM 59's Downtime with ex-Kraftwerker Wolfgang Flr because we thought maybe it reinforced to many stereotypes about the Germans having no sense of humour. But then we reconsidered: maybe it just confirms what a kerrrrazy life those daft Dsseldorfers had. So, exclusively to Subs Club, here is that missing question and answer. Make your own minds up... FM: Tell us something we don't already know about Kraftwerk WF: There is not much you don't already know. One story I really would like to tell you is from when we were on tour, during which we visited so many countries and the states. Most of the time I shared a room with Karl. He is a 'long sleeper' and I'm an 'early-waker'. When I got up in the morning I used to get dressed and put my shoes on. I'm very vain and everything has to fit well before I leave for town in the morning. I always needed time to fight against my shoelaces. Karl felt very disturbed during these moments when he tried to find sleep during my action. I believe he really hated me for this, but we are good friends. Today we laugh about it and he still asks me if I have tied up my shoelaces well. ==== [chuckle!] ;-) Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:33:19 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Twingo on the Internet wrote: > > Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : > added numbers just to see how may are on the list > > > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > 14 Judith van der Veer > 14 Hil Boorsma > 15 Bob Smeets > 16 Maureen Jansen > 17 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > 18 Conny Fornbäck conny.annica@wineasy.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:37:34 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. RoBoten wrote: > Comming up on Datorvärld soon: info and audioclips from a swedish > kraftwerkish band from the 70's. > They invented "Numbers" and "Pocket Calculator" in 1978, Just before Kraftwerk > themselves!!! > Namely???? /Conny F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:34:08 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification lbo wrote: > > >Ralf And Florian Go Hawaiian > >(Respectfully dedicated to _Rolf_ Hutter and Florian Schneider; Founders of > >Kraftwerk) > > and well, how does it sound? Funny! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:11:57 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) jbv Robotics inc. At 23:37 1997-08-30 +0200, Conny Fornb=E4ck wrote: >Namely???? Well.. The songs didn't have any names, but.. The sound was made from a pocket calculator and looped tapes with drums and tone-generators.. They displayed numbers with dia-projectors with the spectators yelling the numbers.. sounds crispy! //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:43:37 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Mailing List Meeting Linz Hi! I am trying to organize a KW mailing-list meeting on October 16th in Linz/Posthof. Everyone who is interested in coming to this meeting before the Concert please send a short mail to: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Greetings zilli *********************** Alexander Peter Zillner EDV-Beratung Schussweg 8 A-4210 Unterweitersdorf *********************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:28:22 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) update! Hello!=20 =20 I just updated my KW-pages with seven new images...=20 =20 Comments are always welcome!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:30:53 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" Hi 'Werkers, The latest CD from Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" came out from a Japanese manufacturer, with a few more tracks than original Too Pure reelase. (Oops, all of the bonus tracks are included in the CD Maxi "Cache Coeur Naif" anyway.) Mouse on Mars "Autoditacker" Tokuma Japan, TKCB-71216, out since 21/Aug/1997. 1. Sui Shop 2. Juju 3. Twift Shoeblade 4. Tamagnocchi 5. Dark FX 6. Scat 7. Tux & Damask 8. Sehnsud 9. X-files 10. Schnick Schnack Meltmade 11. Rondio 12. Maggots Hell Wigs (bonus tracks from "Cache Coeur Naif" PURE65CDS) 13. Cache Coeur naif 14. Glim Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:23:05 +0200 From: "Fer" Subject: (kw) New e-address Just a quick one to let you know that my new e is fgoiriz@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 97 18:16:53 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Ronald Pieket was saying: >>Yes! I think it's called a "laser organ". It consists of a horsehoe >>shaped "organ" with laser beams shooting straight up into the sky. >I'm sorry to say this 'instrument' is only a prop, used for its dramatic >visual effect. It does not in fact produce any sound or control signal. It's not only a prop, and it does send out, in it's earlier incarnations a CV signal, and in it's recent incarnations, a MIDI signal. I have seen it played live, and I am 99% certain it's not fake. It was designed by Bernard Szajner before Jarre began using it. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad. - -- Salvador Dali # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 97 18:20:09 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Transmission Beam /Jarre / Cunningham (Sorry for this off topic.....) Paulo Mouat was saying: >About the fake Jarre's Laser Harp, I believe it truly worked in the >China and Houston concerts. I recall Jarre describing how it worked on >an interview. Nonetheless, there is no doubt that in later concerts it >was only for the visual effect, since at times there is a noticeable >lack of precision in the movement of hands (such as uninterrupting the >beam by accident). Yes, that's because you've been watching the videos, am I right ? The videos featured some pretty bad editing.... During the La Defense concert, the Laser Harp failed to work properly near the end of Calypso 2, I think it was. This was cut out for the video. Basically I saw the thing working during his recent tour, and Jarre actually improvised slightly on some parts - these changed apparently with each venue. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 22:34:14 +0200 From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Just my Sunday thoughts... If there was an album coming out in late September it ought to being manufactured at a CD-plant right now, it ought to be arriving as promo to newspapers and radiostations in a weeks time, EMI whould be able to give us a definite release date, and so on... /anders # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:31:41 +0200 From: "Fer" Subject: (kw) New e-address Hi all, Just to let you know that I've changed my e-mail address. - -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close... but far away" aka. Werk on IRC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:04:51 +0200 From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Just my Sunday thoughts... Anders Wilhelm wrote: >=20 > If there was an album coming out in late September it > ought to being manufactured at a CD-plant right > now, it ought to be arriving as promo to newspapers > and radiostations in a weeks time, EMI whould be > able to give us a definite release date, and so on... >=20 Exactly what I have been thinking the last days. And we should have a singel from the new album in our hands right now.=20 M=E5ns Wenn wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:23:44 +0000 From: lbo@iol.it Subject: (kw) star trek and kraftwerk strange thing... I casually said that I am in a Kraftwerk mailing list in a post on the italian newsgroup it.fan.startrek and a lot of people asked me about the list... if this was a multilevel I'll become rich... :-) the thread was "how will end this newsgoup when Star Trek episodies will be no longer transmitted on [italian] tv?" I just told them how long we are waiting for a new record... :-) - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:36:20 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) star trek and kraftwerk - -(Ibo was saying)- > strange thing... I casually said that I am in a Kraftwerk mailing > list in a post on the italian newsgroup it.fan.startrek and a lot of > people asked me about the list... if this was a multilevel I'll > become rich... :-) *WOW* I hope these people will join us! This is KooL!=/\=! Hailing frequencies open! KRAFT-TREK!*heehee*! > the thread was "how will end this newsgoup when Star Trek episodies > will be no longer transmitted on [italian] tv?" Hm-m, where is this thread? I subscribed to it.fan.startrek, no problem, and I looked under the name Ibo, but, I couldn't find any such topic. -(I suppose it would help if I could read Italian.)- Sorry to hear they're going to quit showing ST in Italy, but, I think it's GREAT that a lot of KRAFTWERK Fans are also TREKKIES! I'd like to see DATA jamming with the boys in the HoloDeck! "Ein, zwei, drei, vier...." > I just told them how long we are waiting for a new record... :-) Yeah, You tell 'em. Hey, maybe KW can do the Sound TREK for the upcoming ST movie! Aw, hell, the next ST Movie will be out before the next KW Album at this rate. Nice thought, though. "To Boldly Go Where No MAN.MACHINE Has Gone Before!" Live Long & Prosper, Ralf & Florian! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:58:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: RobbY Subject: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! German TV-program '3sat' will broadcast a report about Kraftwerk in 'Kulturzeit': 1.9.97 19.10h (repeated at 0.45h, 2.9.) Watch out! Robby. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ RoBeRt EnGeLhArDt . WiEsBaDeN (GERMANY) . enger000@mail.uni-mainz.de \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:33:29 +0200 From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music on Rubayat... lars.bull@macforum.se,Internet writes: >Is the version of "Baby come back" on the Crosstalk CD-single identical >to >the one on the Rubayat sampler? It's not on Rubayat, it's on Ruby Trax, and yes i believe they're identical. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:41:25 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) aktivitat issue 9 > I hope to make the articles from issue 9 readily available in a WWW forma= > t > in the near future... = i have put a quick taster for issue 9 at AKTIVITAET ONLINE. There is a colour image of cover (large file) and an excellent review (thanks Ian) on tribal gathering, quite long. Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:04:22 -0300 From: Cabeleira Magnificat Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? At 09:43 30/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >Yes, you're right. But as I mentioned in my previous post, this would >be FOR THE FUN. >Of course, any algorithm dealing with musical choice & decisions >would be run by computer, and there's no question to emulate such >processes (not even the hearing process) inside the robot. > >BUT, from the human / psychological / anthropomorphism point of view, >reproducing human movements with a human-like thing has much more >resonance inside human mind... >I think that it's mostly what KW is all about... > >jbv You know about the Terminator/Blade Runner thing? NASA is developing some inteligent computer to control their space stuff. The machine will be able to take decisions of it's own mind, no human control. 2001 is about to become reality, and we, ordinary humans will be their slaves!!! Think about it man, think about it... cabelwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 19:02:24 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? At 14:04 1997-09-01 -0300, Cabeleira Magnificat wrote: >You know about the Terminator/Blade Runner thing? NASA is developing some >inteligent computer to control their space stuff. The machine will be able >to take decisions of it's own mind, no human control. 2001 is about to >become reality, and we, ordinary humans will be their slaves!!! Think about >it man, think about it... Nah.. They are programmed just to do Anything NASA wants them to that donesn't include "Let humans be slaves" instructions I believe.. //RoBoten, Semi human being. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:55:00 PDT From: "L B" Subject: Fwd: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? >They are programmed just to do >Anything NASA wants them to mmmmh... is intended that these two lines could sound good as the first two verses for Die Roboter? if so, compliments? if not, compliments all the same! you would be a subliminal Kraftwerk fan! >that donesn't include "Let humans be slaves" instructions I believe.. now, ot I know, but I just finished to read a sf book of Harry Harrison and Marvin Minsky (you know who is Minsky, don't you?), where one of the protagonist is an artificial intelligence (even if "he" doesn't like the term...), that at one point say more or less "Why should you be feared of machines taking control? I feel gratitude to you..." - ------------ se volete rispondere per favore fatelo a questo indirizzo to answer please use this address Lbo@iol.it e' controllato molto piu' di frequente it is checked a lot more frequently grazie - thanks - ------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:26:47 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! Hi! On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, RobbY wrote: > > German TV-program '3sat' will broadcast a report about Kraftwerk in > 'Kulturzeit': > > 1.9.97 19.10h (repeated at 0.45h, 2.9.) > > Watch out! Taped! Cool article! Small Videos from 1970 and 73, the Luton Video, Interview with Ralf, Interview with Wolfgang, Statements from DJ Westbam, David Bowie and Alan Bangs, The Robots, The Model, TEE, Musique Non Stop, ... Very nice....... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:34:45 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) WMNF Kraftwerk Retrospective Hi! Where can I get this Real Audio File or somethin equivalent? I cannot download this from http://audio.wmnf.org/ram/kraftwerk.ram Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:41:43 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) KW Home Page Hi! Am I late, or am I wrong: Has http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html been changed? Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:01:43 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) KW Home Page ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > Am I late, or am I wrong: > Has http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html been changed? > > Greetings from Austria > zilli > > Hmmmm!!!! It has, I am downloading right now to see if there are any new stuff...(probably NOT!) ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:05:30 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Why a robot ? >>> ...now, ot I know, but I just finished to read a sf book of Harry Harrison and Marvin Minsky (you know who is Minsky, don't you?), where one of the protagonist is an artificial intelligence (even if "he" doesn't like the term...), that at one point say more or less "Why should you be feared of machines taking control? I feel gratitude to you..." <<< If I recall, the book's called "The Turing Option," and it's published by Warner Books. Halfway decent, I think--worth checking out. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:00:27 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW & Star Trek KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, and according to the powers-that-be in Trek, anything of that sort doesn't exist anymore. It's only the most arcane, pompous, and Eurocentric anything that exists there. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:16:36 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) Off topic - J.M. Jarre =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com T=87=E9 =D9|=86=A1m=E0t=EB =D0=E2=F1=E7=EAm=AA=A9h=A1=F1=CB=99 http://www.kraftwerk.com Does anyone know about a Jarre mailing list? ...if they don't - do they know which drummachine are used on Oxygene4 (t= he rattlesound)? - ---------------------------------- This is by the way "Pocket Calculator" directly translated to Danish... - -Jeg er operat=F8ren med min lommeregner. - -Ved tryk p=E5 en s=E6rlig tangent, spiller den en lille melodi. - -Jeg adderer,=20 og subtraherer. Jeg kontrollerer, og komponerer. ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:29:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: (kw) Robotics For those interested in robotics, Simon Godfrey reminded me of a Wired article that may amuse you. In Wired magazine issue 4.07 (July 1996), Bruce Sterling details a robot battle event held in Phoenix. There's nothing about the construction of the robots other than a few pictures, but it's an interesting read. There is some related information at http://www.wired.com/4.07/srl/ /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:06:18 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Paparazzis By now, I'm sure everyone has heard the news of the tragic death of Princess Diana and her companion Dodi Al Fayed and their driver as the result of being chased by Paparazzis, who in turn blame the driver for being intoxicated and for speeding. This terrible event will certainly make all celebrities more cautious than ever. My heart goes out to Princes William and Henry. Hopefully, "junk Journalists" will now finally back off and show some respect for privacy! I just had to say this. We all know that Ralf and Florian avoid publicity. They are very wise. Perhaps it is fortunate that they're not as popular and famous as their talent deserves. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 02:18:52 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis At 15:06 1997-09-01 -0700, ROBOT wrote: Paparazzis, the oposites to "the model" For every famous person they do the worse they can It only takes a million to change their mind... /RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 02:29:26 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis At 02:18 1997-09-02 +0200, RoBoten wrote: > >At 15:06 1997-09-01 -0700, ROBOT wrote: Sorry, this row shouldn't be there.. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 02:33:28 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Today Kraftwerk on TV! At 19:26 1997-09-01 +0200, Alexander Peter Zillner wrote: >Cool article! Small Videos from 1970 and 73, the Luton Video, Interview >with Ralf, Interview with Wolfgang, Statements from DJ Westbam, David >Bowie and Alan Bangs, The Robots, The Model, TEE, Musique Non Stop, ... Taped also! Very nice pictures from early 70's concerts with long-haired heroes.. I like those cones!!!!!!!! _ / \ /###\ _/_____\_ =) //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:20:41 +0000 From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek > KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not > "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, sorry to contradict you and I don't want to start a thread but I am european and while we can argue about Kraftwerk not being eurocentric (and how could you be not when you are european born and feed), I, as european, can assure you that ST is one of the most evident concentrate of americanism that lack of anything european. Picard a french? Scotty a scot? not at all. or the -centric suffix has another meaning that I don't understand? maybe an american-centric? :-) - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:14:59 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek >>> sorry to contradict you and I don't want to start a thread but I am European and while we can argue about Kraftwerk not being Eurocentric <<< I think you misunderstood. Yes, KW's general outlook is Eurocentric, but since their electronic and pop-oriented their not looked at positively by the Trek powers-that-be. Sorry for any confusion. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 1997 13:24:00 +0200 From: M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) Ex-Kraftwerker Im looking for more Information about the following all Ex-Kraftwerker: Butch Hauf, Fred Monicks, Basil Hammoudi, Klaus Dinger, Andreas Hohmann, = = Michael Rother, Eberhard Krahnemann, Klaus Roeder, Wolfgang Fl=FCr, Karl = = Bartos, Fritz Hilpert, Fernando von Abrantes, Plato Rivera, Emil Schult = und Henning Schmitz. Also im Looking for new information about Elektric Music. I hope a Member of the list can help me! - -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko=B7 GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.wekotec.com/kraftwerk/ # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:14:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Paparazzis On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, ROBOT wrote: > William and Henry. Hopefully, "junk Journalists" will now finally > back off and show some respect for privacy! Heck, no! They've just learned they can get even more sensational stories by bumping off the celebs. :) Remember, "Journalistic Integrity" is a contridiction. > I just had to say this. We all know that Ralf and Florian avoid publicity. > They are very wise. Perhaps it is fortunate that they're not as popular and > famous as their talent deserves. Agreed! /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:20:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Star Trek On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 lbo@iol.it wrote: > > KW will never get its props in the Star Trek universe because they're not > > "classical" Eurocentric composers--they're electronic and pop-oriented, > > or the -centric suffix has another meaning that I don't understand? > maybe an american-centric? :-) "Americentric" is the term that seems to be coming into use, and yes Star Trek is definitely americentric. It means portraying everything from an American point of view which, as you pointed out, Star Trek does. I think the person who wrote the first paragraph there meant that KW are not the ordinary type of European composer. I don't know what that has to do with Star Trek though. Mmmm... Borg... Somehow "We are the Borg" just doesn't have the same ring to it as "We are the Robots". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:59:20 -0500 From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : added numbers just to see how may are on the list 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer 14 Hil Boorsma 15 Bob Smeets 16 Maureen Jansen 17 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:09:00 -0500 From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig - list update. Sorry, I seem to have deleted some people from the list before sending it off.. Here is an update of the "meeting-people-list" : 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl 14 Judith van der Veer 15 Hil Boorsma 16 Bob Smeets 17 Maureen Jansen 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:14:10 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam"/Szajner Brendan Heading wrote: > It's not only a prop, and it does send out, in it's earlier incarnations a CV > signal, and in it's recent incarnations, a MIDI signal. I have seen it played > live, and I am 99% certain it's not fake. > > It was designed by Bernard Szajner before Jarre began using it. That's right, he did! Szajner is pictured with the laser harp on the sleeve of his Brute Reason album. By the way, not a bad album at all...haven't seen it /or his other albums) on CD, though. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #132 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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