From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #138 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, September 9 1997 Volume 03 : Number 138 In this issue: (kw) Updated KRAFTWERK Links (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links List)- Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic Re: (kw) Concerts Re: (kw) old vibrations. (kw) KW CD-discography list? (kw) missing posts?? Re: (kw) Concerts (kw) David Byrne on CNN (kw) Counterfeit CD's (kw) Apology to JBV (kw) Apotygma Berzerk Re: (kw) Counterfeit CD's Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 (kw) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:55:06 +-200 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:02:17 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Updated KRAFTWERK Links Hello everyone, and a special ROBOTiK Welcome to all NewComers on this List! Oh, yes, and a big fat ROBORASPBERRY to all you LUCKY so-and-sos who went to TG and/or are going to Linz/Karlsruhe!*TH-B-B-B-B-PT*! So THERE, you Lucky DAWGS you!*grrrr*! BYTE ME! ;] ROBOWINKY - -(um, yeah- you might as well know I'm a *MEGAFREAK*. I kid around a lot, but, I LOVE "my boys" more than anything else in the Universe, and I love my Fellow Fans. I'm KraZy, but, I'm totally for real.)- Anyway- I just updated my KRAFTWERK Links List, and I'll post it right after this. I'm always thrilled to meet other KW Fans- Let's CHAT! The #Kraftwerk Channel is too darned quiet. Please JOIN us! -(IRC or mIRC, DALnet)- See Links List for info, coming right up. Also, I'll be glad to Email the Links List to anyone who needs it sent separately. Unfortunately, I'm still missing a couple of URLs. Does anyone recall this huge index of KW pictures and interviews? -(along with many other artists)- The partial URL I have is "archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists", with individual names, IE: "/bartos.karl/", ending with "/kraftwerk/pictures/", particularly "/dummies.jpg". There were a lot of pictures and interviews on this site. I wish I could find it again! I'm also looking for "kraftwerk.ml.org/kraftwerk/index.htm"- if you know these, or any other good links I'm missing that are not already connected to the KW WebRing or Infobahr, please Email me so I can include them. Thank You! ps: VCR ALERT! I didn't want to say anything until I was certain, but- a couple of Fans and I are WERKing on collaborating some KW VIDEOS! It'll take a few weeks to compile, enhance images where needed, and transfer to European format, etc, but, it IS happening! Hang tight! It'll be worth the wait. Hell, we're KW Fans- we're used to waiting, right? -(Like, where's that Silk-Screen Frame that my friend promised me so I can produce my K-shirts?!!*ARGH*!!)- I'm TRYing, guys, really I am! I contributed my ONE and ONLY compilation KW Video tape- many thanks to the wonderful person who sent it to me! -(Who shall remain anoymous to keep from being mugged, okay?)- Being a KW Fan can be very Frustrating at times, but, the sheer *ECSTACY* of their Incredible VIBES makes it all worthwhile! I just want to share that *FEELING* of their MusiK- words can't describe it. Now, if only they'd tour the USA....*sigh*.... PLEASE, Lord, -just ONCE- let me see 'em in Konzert! Amen! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:04:31 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links List)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ *GREET.INGS*! Welcome aboard the KlingKlang Express! Just in case you don't already know, here's a few KRAFTWERK Links to get you started- Fun, Fun, Fun auf der INFOBAHN! :] ROBOSMILEY +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ KRAFTWERK's Official WebSite! Check it out! Click on each screen to advance to the next. Very "Minimalist" animated gifs and SoundBytes. True KRAFTWERK all the way! The KRAFTWERK Mail List- 'Good source for KW Info, and it's FREE! To subscribe, send Email to: Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe kraftwerk <"whoever@wherever.com"> - -(no quotes)-. You'll get a "confirmation" message shortly. Then, respond with the number they give you, and you'll receive the Welcome Message and Guidelines. NOTE: I include this Link because sometimes I meet Fellow KW Fans elsewhere on the Net. KRAFTWERK Mail List Archives. Catch up on all the recent and not-so-recent SubSpace Chatter on the Finest MeKaniKal MusiK-Meisters in the Universe!! -(Alternate)- There's also the #Kraftwerk Channel Chat Room on mIRC, using DALnet. To download the neccessary software, visit the gurus at: They can explain the technical stuff. We need more bodies! It's no fun sitting in an empty room, wasting net-hours, so, let's CHAT already! More info here: The Unofficial KRAFTWERK Infobahr: TONS o'StuFF! FAQs re: KRAFTWERK The KRAFTWERK Marktplatz- A KW "Swap Meet" on the Net! Beautiful Title Page! Hail Finlandia! Very Nice KW Page! OR Thomas Weckert's Picture Gallery- 'LOTS of Beautiful KW Fotos- and more pictures here: ....and here's where the boys WERK! Thomas maintains the KRAFTWERK WebRing. Most of these pages are Linked. <<<>>> Reymond Laurent took some EXcellent PIX at The Tribal Gathering, May 24/25, '97. from left-screen menu, select "Headliners". Let the various artists names/logos load in the right-hand screen, scroll down and click on KRAFTWERK, then scroll through the article for a NICE SurPriSe!! *Morph* and *ZOOM*!! "The Bright Side" !*WOW*! EXcellent WebSite! The KRAFTWERK JukeBox is Great! Yeah! KW's TG gig on RealAudio! Bob Weustink saved the Partial broadcast of their performance from the BBC Radio1/Essential mix on his HomePages. Good WERK, Bob! Czech it out! Live KW Fotos from a gig in Prague -with a few KuTe ROBOGraFFiX added. :] Jens Heidling's Sites of KRAFTWERK & S.P.O.C.K. -(Swedish SynthPop TREKKIES! Kinda KWish, but, way sillier!)- Klaus Zaepke's KRAFTWERK OnLine Library. 'LOTS of references to various KW Articles and reviews. Some are directly accessible on the Net. BTW: I have a few old KW Articles & a couple more silly KW drawings in my K-philes, if anyone's interested. A descriptive list is included here in Klaus' Library, but, the jpgs are a LOT smaller now than what was posted in my message at the time. Each item now ranges from about 30K to 100K per "page". Please Email me for details.... KW: The Early Years- nice pictures! -(Brief exerps from Pascal Bussy's book, _KRAFTWERK: Man, Machine, and Music_)- Mats Kadmark. Another dedicated Fan- KooL HomePage! Interesting Article & Fotos- 'tiny and not very clear, but.... SAKURA's KW BootList- Good Fotos of the CD covers! Kling und Klang! Another BootList. Text only. MIDI Alert! MegaSoundBytes! MORE KW sounds! *WHEW* That's all the Links I can find off-hand. There are plenty more that I would like to add, but, they are easily linked from many of those listed above. For some older links, I couldn't find the correct URL or the pages are down. I need to find these Links, for starters: http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk -(The "Dummies" pic is excellent!)- http://kraftwerk.ml.org/kraftwerk/index.htm Please Email me if you want to share info or if you just wanna Chat! =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile. Your Personal Net is FREE! Anyone can PEEK at the "pages", but, it's Fun to join and find other Net People with similar interests. Until I can figure out how to set up a real HomePage, this will have to suffice....)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Members Lounge. Same Foto, different Text. Membership is FREE, but, you must join in order to see Members Profiles and post messages on the BBOARD.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:31:50 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic >>> What does it mean? I just encountered it for the first time two days ago. I would guess it's a blanket term for assorted electronic music? <<< It's a catch-all phrase that refers to pop-oriented electronic music, as opposed to "serious" electronic music. It's a shame that there's no way to distinguish between the two, naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:38:14 +0200 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts In message ID <33FF6F07.7BA3@stockholm.mail.telia.com> on 24.08.97,=20 mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com wrote:=20 =20 >Hi everybody!=20 =20 >Just wondered how big the audience would be if the Karlsruhe gig would=20 >be sold out.=20 >What is the biggest audience KW ever played for? =20 >=20 >M=E5ns=20 >=20 >Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen....=20 >=20 =B0=B0HI, HI!=20 =B0 Sorry for this aehem.. late reply but my bike has broken down=20 =B0 at an accident and so I have time enough to read a l l the mails in=20 my box. ,-)=20 >>...if the Karlsruhe gig would be sold out<<=20 =B0=B0 The Lady at the phone at ZMK told me, the limit are 4500 Persons.=20 =B0 And I think they all will be there. Except me... :-(=20 >What is the biggest audience KW ever played for? =20 =B0Hmm, can=B4t realy answer this but maybe the gig in Sellafield was=20 the biggest.=20 =B0 Let=B4s hear what Klaus mean.=20 =B0=B0Regards=20 =B0=B0Josef=20 =20 =20 _________________In _Wien_Sitzen_Wir_Im_Nachtcafe________________=20 ____________________Direktverbindung_T.E.E._____________________=20 =20 =20 =20 - - I=B4m the antenna catching your vibration...........=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:06:43 -0400 From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) old vibrations. Many thanKs to "jbv" for taking the time to send to the list the translation of that '81 intervieW with KW. I find it really interesting to find out what these people think in addition to what they sing. "jbv" comments on KW can be somewhat "ironic" at times, but if KW are the most human people playing the most artificial music, I think that the occasional critic of KW by "jbv" comes from someone who really cares about this list and about KW's music. ThanKs again ! - -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:25:14 -0700 From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) KW CD-discography list? Does anyone have an updated discography list of the compact discs that Kraftwerk have released? I would be interested in seeing this. I have about 7 of their discs, but I know there are lots more than that. (Just cd's, not the lp's and singles right now). Also, where is the best mail order spot to order KW material? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:22:52 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) missing posts?? Just checking. I made 2 posts earlier today, re: KW Links, and they showed up immediately. Then I sent a brief post about 2 hours ago in response to "electronica", but, it hasn't shown up yet. -(I checked. No typos in the address.)- Several other posts have come in since then. Ah, macht nichts. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:59:48 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 people! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:10:27 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) David Byrne on CNN I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because = of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face = representing hom and his new album. He was talking about, how comfortable= = it is to let the dummy represent him and his music. He made the = journalist feel, as if he came up first with that idea. = Someone should have told him, that he just copied other peoples (you know= = who) ideas. = Which makes me think.. Did Kraftwerk come up as the first to let robots = or dummies represent themselves? bye Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:55:05 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Kalinowski?=" Subject: (kw) Counterfeit CD's Dear Friends, I am completely out of time last days and therefore unable to read the mailing list messages, but I have something that probably did not appear earlier. As I work in a software publishing agency, member of BSA, etc., I have a common encounters with pirated CD's, both with software and music. Few weeks ago our private eye spotted a CD-R dealer who had our titles on stock. I had a chance to have a look at the list of titles he had. Will not mention juicy PC and PSX titles, amongst music CD's he had Electric Cafe and Radioactivity. After a little longer digging I found out these two marvelous titles came from Russia and are widely available on the Polish "black market". Both titles are made quite carefully, what is quite unusual, together with proper colours of the CD-label. These are American verisions (Warner). This clearly shows how strong KW is that it is profitable to pirate Radioactivity these days (other interesting goodies were e.g. Chemical Brothers (btw - nice Ohm sweet Ohm resampling), ApolloFourForty (btw. nice Autobahn contribution), Blumchen :), Backstreet Boys :))), Bjork, etc.) As feel the counterfeit KW CD's may be an interesting part of the KW goodies collection I decided to mention them into the mailing list. If you are interested in more details, please contact me personally at: pirx@ikp.pl Please excuse slow reactions from my end! Best Regards, Pawel M. Kalinowski Executive Manager / Mirage Software Tel: +48 22 616 1555, Mobile: +48 601 61 50 19 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:51:24 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Apology to JBV Thanks for the translation JBV, sorry if I was rude suggesting you don=B4t=20= know shit, I know you do, I do get your point about the "new song", for me the release of Electric caf=E9 once was a disappointment, with all the syntesiz= ers (or samplers) trying to sound like analog instruments, but today I really like the album, not like the ones before though=2E The one thing is that I think that we all should wait until the release of the album before judging, the other thing is that we probably all have our own complicated visions of what KW is and/or stands for and of course today is not 1978 or -81, today everybody and his dog could by some synthesizers equal to the Kling klang studio in the early eighties=2E=20 Anyway, my guess is that when they finally get this out on CD we will all b= e satisfied (well almost all of us), and it won=B4t sound like the movieclip=20= I=B4m convinced about that, I mean listen to any other recording of KW live, It sounds rather thin to me compared to the album versions=2E /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:14:49 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Apotygma Berzerk The CD EP "Mourn" by Apotygma Berzerk contains a cover version of "Ohm Sweet Ohm", according to a recent message on de.rec.music.elektronisch. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:55:24 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Counterfeit CD's Am I understanding it well ? You work for a software company which is member of BSA and you're offering counterfeited CDs to the list ? Did I miss something ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:22:06 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic > From: Adam Schefflan > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) CMJ electronica concert--off topic > Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 7:31 PM > > >>> What does it mean? I just encountered it for the first time two > days ago. > I would guess it's a blanket term for assorted electronic music? <<< > > It's a catch-all phrase that refers to pop-oriented electronic music, as > opposed to "serious" electronic music. It's a shame that there's no way > to distinguish between the two, naah mean? Peace. Yeah, it's weird- the term "electronica" used to be applied to "academic" or "serious" electronic experimental and avant-gard music like Stockhausen and Subotnik, etc. Now the media applies it to "modern" electronic music of all kinds, including "Techno", "Ambient", etc. Too many "labels". Irritating, ain't it? Well, KRAFTWERK uses elements of ambient, industrial, classical, rock, folk, and pure electronics. They call themselves "ROBOT-POP". Now that's a label I can live with! :] ROBOSMILEY Rats- I forgot earlier- I also need the link to Jimmy's X3M Fina Sida. I think that's the right name. It had an Enterprise fly-by and all kinds of neat-o GraFfiX on TREK, KW, and X-files. Is this page still active? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:09:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 Meine liebe Kameraden, Since you asked for a translation of both interviews, here we go with the one from 1976. Please note that this interview is referenced and quoted by Bussy in his book. Along with these interviews, I found a few photographs I haven't seen on any Web site, including a great close up portrait of Florian. Anyone interested ? (Klaus ?) I guess I should be able to digitize and mail them quite soon... Enjoy - jbv - -------------------------------------- This interview was made by Paul Alessandrini and published in french=20 magazine Rock & Folk 118, nov. 1976 Q : Why did you make that trip to Los Angeles last summer ? A : We made the final mix at the Record Plant studio. But it=92s mostly=20 because our album evokes the european culture, it is spiritually=20 european and it=92s a new conscience that we discovered during our trip o= n the american continent in 75. Everybody asked us how was life in=20 Germany, in Paris. People wanted to know where was our culture at that=20 point. People used to say that we were not rock n=92 roll, then thanks to= =20 these trans-atlantic trips we discovered our cultural identity as=20 Europeans. Q : In your show, you played two new songs refering to Europe : =93Europe= =20 Endless=94 and =93TEE=94. Do you really believe in this european=20 consciousness ? Aren=92t you german anymore ? A : It=92s not a nationalist feeling... The culture of the Rhine area is=20 our cultural background. What amazed us in the States, is that everyone=20 shows his own background much more than in Europe, although we have=20 museums and a very rich history. In the States however, there are only=20 =93blocks=94, then people are asked to show this background on a=20 psychological and individual level... A (Florian) : When you are in an american studio, there=92s a distance=20 which allows you to see all this very clearly. A (Ralf) : In Germany, the young guys play american music, and we, in=20 Hollywood, play germanic music... A (Florian) : When I heard american musicians, of course it had nothing=20 to do with those young Germans who think they play =93american=94... Q : Don=92t you think you=92re in the same position as Fritz Lang making=20 some american product (thriller) in Hollywood, but movies full of an=20 expressionist german culture ? A : Yes, in a sense. Distance allows to see more clearly. To get=20 conscious of things, you must go out and watch. For us, the problem was=20 to go outside ourselves, of our existence limited by the same tours in=20 Germany, to look at our own culture in a distance. Q : Could you explain your present success by this consciousness ? A : I don=92t have any rational explanation, so much more so as people, i= n=20 France for instance, buy our records but don=92t really come to our=20 concerts. Q : So, how do you explain this difference between the albums and the=20 gigs ? A : The album always starts from a concept : =93Radioactivity=94 came fro= m=20 an idea that fascinated us for a long time, the concept of the radio and=20 all the phenomenon of the airwaves, the transmission of any radio-active=20 material. We are thrilled by that stuff, end the idea of that album was=20 in our heads for at least three years. During our first tour in the=20 U.S., we have visited all the independant radios, for we used to see=20 ourselves as a radio station... but it=92s impossible to start something=20 like that in Germany, because of the state monopole. So, the only way to=20 do it is through records, and to use concerts to amplify even more the=20 =93media record=94. But few people still come to our shows, because it=92= s=20 difficult for them to imagine that it=92s a band who plays that music and= =20 that it can be reproduced live. They thought it was only studio work...=20 like Sgt Pepper, for instance, which the Beatles couldn=92t play live=20 because they knew three chords only. Q : Some nasty people compared the success of =93Radioactivity=94 to the=20 success of =93Pop Corn=94... A : =93Pop Corn=94 was only a =93gimmick composition=94. There was nobody= behind=20 it, whereas for =93Radioactivity=94, it=92s our duty (and perhaps even yo= urs)=20 to show what=92s behind it. It was indispensable for us to produce that=20 album and to go beyond it. It=92s a stage and the witness of a moment. Q : That record obviously fascinated such people as Bowie or Iggy Pop... A : It=92s normal. It=92s a little bit like a snapshot, a diaphragm that=20 puts light exactly on a mental and musical aspect that nobody had=20 considered before. Here, people have always taken pictures of English=20 and Americans, and we had to turn the camera and to take a picture of=20 ourselves, to expose ourselves to the media, because the post-war german=20 generation remained in the shadow : those who are older than us had=20 Elvis or the Beatles for idols... those are not bad options, but if we=20 completely forget our identity, it becomes quickly =93empty=94 and not=20 consistent. There=92s a whole generation in Germany, between 30 and 50,=20 who has lost its own identity, and who even never had any. Q : So you pretend being able to help the german youth to find their=20 own identity ? A : The living culture of Central Europe has been cut in the 30s, and=20 all the intellectuals went to the U.S. or to France, or they have been=20 eliminated. We take back that culture of the 30s at the point where it=20 was left, and this on a spiritual level... A (Florian) : Electro-acoustic instruments have been developped in Europe, in Germany, in France... Q : So you make a connection between a culture of the past, but using=20 modern tools, and using the mass media in the american way... A : The tape recorder has been invented in Germany ! We also use=20 microphones in Germany. But of course, there=92s no question of a nationa= l=20 cult... Q : For some people, you=92re doing a primary music, although your musica= l=20 justifications are highly intellectual. A : It is true that it=92s very hard to compose something as simple as=20 =93Autobahn=94, hard to draw the shortest line between two points... A (Florian) : It=92s like in science : it can seem very simple, atoms and= =20 radioactivity... once it=92s been discovered ! Q : Is it because you need to feel closed to the audience that you=20 choosed the world of rock music and that you mention the Beach Boys as=20 your reference ? A : Yes, in their songs they managed to concentrate a maximum of=20 fundamental ideas. In 100 years from now, when people will want to know=20 what California was like in the 60s, they only had to listen a single by=20 the Beach Boys. Q : So, in the same way, when people will want to know about Europe in=20 1976, they=92ll listen to Kraftwerk ? A : Yes, I hope so. If our communication system works really fine... Q : So, in which direction are you working ? Towards something even more=20 =93robotic=94 ? A : The =93movie=94 side of our work will be extended. When you work with= =20 tapes, it spins, it becomes a film-media, beyond music. I don=92t mean we= =20 are going to produce films - we already shot a very short one - but we=20 will rather, during the shows, include electronic ballets in which we=20 will be acting ourselves, making movements with our bodies, movements=20 that correspond to certain vibrations... some new concepts on which we=20 are working for our next tour. A (Ralf) : we have machines which allow us to make our ideas come true,=20 and while they are doing it, we can go even further, to a next step. A (Florian) : The other german bands, with the help of their machines,=20 are making a trip backwards, while we are rather making a trip forward. Q : As for the other german =93spacey=94 bands, it looks like they refuse= to=20 see the machines for what they are, and that they propose meditation=20 instead. For you, machines exhibit themselves and become a form of=20 provocation, of agression... A : It=92s agression and agressive beauty. A (Florian) : We also have melodies, we try to create a contrast between=20 those two elements. A (Ralf) : We compose our melodies as we hum in the studio, and the=20 rythm comes from the sounds of the machines. Q : As for what people see on stage, is it a conscious reference to the=20 great german expressionist movies like =93the cabinet of doctor Caligari=94 ? A : Yes, indeed, we worked on that... A (Florian) : sometimes I=92m scared by all that stuff on stage, it=92s s= o=20 hard. There=92s too much noise, but it works like a sado-masochist=20 fascination. A (Ralf) : In electronic music, unlike people think, psychology plays=20 the greatest part. Q : When we went together to the exhibition of =93Machines Celibataires=94= ,=20 you looked fascinated by the most evil machines... A : We are also single (celibataires) ourselves (laughs) ! Q : Tell me about your meeting with Bowie and your projects... A : We should have worked together already, but the success of the last=20 album forced us to tour until october, and our projects were postponed.=20 But with Bowie, what makes us closed from each other, it=92s mostly=20 similar considerations about psychology. It=92s the same with Iggy. By th= e=20 way, we have dedicated a song of our new album to them (TEE)... They=92re= =20 just like us, big fans of trains. No other band could evoke the world of=20 trains better than us, I think. The metallic music, metal on metal... We=20 are going to record with Bowie. He will come to Dusseldorf pretty soon=20 for that. We still don=92t know what we=92re gonna do together, it=92s mo= stly=20 an encounter... A (Florian) : We have always been interested by what Bowie is doing,=20 especially in his last albums. He started from hard rock, and he=92s now=20 on the step of electro-acoustic music, while we went the opposite way,=20 from electronic music to rock music... So I think that what will happen=20 will be thrilling. A (Ralf) : I think it=92s the same kind of research for a synthetic man.=20 We were fascinated by the creation of that concept and we tried to=20 develop it by ourselves, without the help of a producer. Anyone who is=20 working in show bizness wait for someone else to create their specific=20 image. We said to ourselves : we don=92t want to wait, we will discover=20 ourselves alone. A (Florian) : Usually, behind the stars, there=92s always some Colonel=20 Parker... Q : But do you think people are doing the equivalent of your work in=20 movies, painting, etc. A : Emil, who works with us, is a student of Joseph Post, the most=20 famous german master of visual art, one of the creators of the Fluxus=20 group, interested in actions and happenings. Emil works on the visual=20 side of our shows and writes some of the lyrics. In Germany, for about=20 5 years, there=92s a great movement of parallel movie makers from which=20 we feel quite close. For instance, Fassbinder used our music for his=20 next movie =93La Roulette Chinoise=94, and we will work with him again in= =20 the future. All this paranoid consciousness is specific to german=20 movies. Every young german movie maker is scared by the camera... Q : Just like in expressionist movies in which there was always a poetic=20 vision of reality... A : Yes, exactly. Q : What is the subject of =93Europe Endless=94, this new composition tha= t=20 you sing on stage ? A : We traveled across all Europe, and especially after a tour in the=20 States, we became conscious that Europe is mostly parcs and old=20 hotels... =93promenades and avenues=94... =93real life=94... real life, b= ut in=20 a world of postcards. Europe, when back from the States, it=92s only a=20 succession of postcards... Q : Did you go to some concerts during your trip in the States ? Did you=20 see the Beach Boys live ? A : Yes, we have seen them in a big stadium. It was gorgeous, like a=20 rebirth. There=92s a wonderful and very poignant song in their last album= ,=20 =93Once in my life=94. I=92d like to dare to say once in my life what Bri= an=20 Wilson says in that song... Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put=20 onto records. A (Florian) : When we reached California and Hollywood, we were able to=20 say : yes, it=92s exactly like that, like in the songs of the Beach Boys. Q : And would you like people to say the same thing about your music=20 and Europe, and especially Germany ? A : That=92s exactly what Bowie told us : when he came to see us in=20 Dusseldorf in his Mercedes, he took the highway while listening to=20 =93Autobahn=94 on the car stereo. He said : it=92s exactly like that,=20 everything is in your tune. Q : And with Iggy Pop ? A : We met him in a lift, and it=92s been a true contact right away. I=20 always liked what the Stooges were doing : they =93dared=94. With=20 electronics, you can hide yourself behind the machines, or you can=20 expose yourself. There are various ways of exhibing oneself. We are=20 perhaps also interested in Iggy because of the Fluxus happenings in=20 which I was involved when I was student... =93action, action baby !=94 Wi= th=20 electronic instruments, you can be alone, all alone on stage, like Iggy=20 : you don=92t even have a guitar to hide yourself. To some physical=20 discoveries of rock music can correspond some fundamental and terrible=20 psychological discoveries, like reading a book that changes the vision=20 of the world you had before. After that, you never walk quite the same=20 way... Q : Why are you using this strange system in place of drums ? A : Iggy Pop, for instance, was a drummer and he stopped to go even=20 further. He became a singer. With drums, the drummer hides himself=20 behind an =93action=94. Our purpose was to open, to go one step beyond an= d=20 to produce music for loud speakers. We couldn=92t achieve this with a=20 traditional drummer : with our two percussionists, we worked for months=20 to develop that system, and it changed our lives. Q : What do these two drummers represent compared to the duet of the=20 two of you ? A : They are part of Kraftwerk. Of course, with Florian we play music=20 for 10 years, while they work on our side for 3 years only and they=20 penetrate only slowly the Kraftwerk universe. We couldn=92t play our=20 music with anybody. It=92s important to be able to understand each other,= =20 because electronic humour is not obvious for everybody. Q : Please give an exemple of this electronic humour... A : Well, you can listen to =93Autobahn=94 and then drive on the highway.= =20 Then you=92ll realize that your car is a musical instrument. So many=20 things can be funny... It=92s a real philosophy of life that comes from=20 electronics. Q : Same thing about your taste for costumes and grey shoes, perhaps ? A : Yes, everything comes from a consciousness in front of tape=20 machines, cameras, all those machines produced by electronics. Q : What is exactly the role of Emil ? A : He is our medium. He writes lyrics, takes care of the lights. A (Florian) : when I met Emil, and when he showed his comics to me, I=20 thought they looked like our music. Q : Could you split up some day ? A : We already tried, but it didn=92t work. Our understanding is too=20 stimilating : we discovered lots of things bacause we were together,=20 and loneliness could never have taken us where we are now. It=92s a=20 necessary duality... kling - klang. Q : And the new album ? A : It will be released in january. We still have a lot of work to do,=20 because since we had the chance to play the new songs live, we know what=20 doesn=92t work. On one side, our music is very simple, built around a=20 story board, and at the same time very experimental. The new songs are=20 always born from the old ones, like the new branch growing on top of=20 the old one. In the name of the album, there will be of course the word=20 =93Europe=94, and the sleeve will be made from a set of mirrors reflectin= g=20 our pictures. By the way, there is a song called =93The Hall Of Mirrors=94= =20 in the album : the story of what we did since the beginning, our=20 psychological trip, in some ways the other side of the background. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:59:07 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:55:06 +-200 Hi Werkers! I have updated the Marktplatz! Is this better (easier)?? 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