From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #139 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, September 10 1997 Volume 03 : Number 139 In this issue: Re: (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 Re: (kw) Concerts Re: (kw) Concerts (kw) the end of violence... Re: (kw) Concerts (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (kw) Linz Concert (kw) Godfathers of Techno Re: (kw) Concerts Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno (kw) Discography? Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re[2]: (kw) Concerts Re: (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Re: (kw) Linz Concert (kw) Ooops ! (was : Old vibrations - part 3) Fw: (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale (kw) Pictures of concert tickets (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:54:33 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Old vibrations - part 2 - -(jbv says)- > Along with these interviews, I found a few photographs I haven't > seen on any Web site, including a great close up portrait of Florian. > Anyone interested ? (Klaus ?) I guess I should be able to digitize > and mail them quite soon... A portrait of Florian?? WOW- can you Email it to me when you get it scanned?? -(and/or the whole article, if you're scanning it all as one image. whatever's easiest- not TOO massive bandwidth, okay?)- Thank you for posting this interview- very interesting! I want to add it to my K-philes. Oh, and try not to be TOO disappointed with a 30 second sample of KW's New Song- After all, they've only had about 11 years to come up with new material. Give the ol' geezers a break. ;] ROBOWINKY "Ve arr too busy riding bicycles und eating ice-cream. Zum TEUFFEL mit ze fans- ve don't care about musik anymore." Yes, I made up that "quote", but, hell, they might as well come right out and say it. They just don't give a shit. I'm going to have to build my own KW Klones and be done with it. Seriously, it took E.Cafe a while to grow on me. -(Okay, so, it ain't my fave album, but, I DO appreciate the "3-D" sounds of E.Cafe. It's very "Multi-dimensional".)- The small sample of the New Song isn't much to go on. I like it okay, but, I'm waiting to hear the whole tune before I go totally nuts over it. And, yeah, the TRON suits might be "dated", but, I like the way they match the "wire-frame" GraFFiX. It's just a matter of taste, that's all. As an older-generation Fan, I can definitely concur that KW were WAY ahead of everyone else in the 70's, and now that the rest of the world has finally caught up with them, they sound a lot like all the other artists who've been sampling them for the past 10 years. I can understand some KW Fans being disappointed. I love 'em dearly, but, come ON, boys, get to WERK!! Send the ROBOTS over here to America if you hate our country so much and don't wanna come yourselves. We'll take care of 'em and set 'em up for you, etc- but, do SOMEthing! Jeeeeez.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:06:34 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts As far as I know, the biggest kraftwerk audience is Tribal Gathering, which was held in the biggest tent in Europe, with a capacity of 10,800 people. Additionally, the sides of the tent were lifted up so that people not inside the tent could see, so I estimate somewhere between 16,000-20,000 people were in attendence, being in the tent though, I couldn't really judge. The Sellafield concert was at Manchester G-Mex, capacity approx. 12,000 but sinmce Kraftwerk played in daylight on a Friday afternoon, I think attendance would have only numbered 6,000 max. Since it was headlined by U2 many U2 fans would not have turned up until after work, e.g. 6:15, by when K-w would have finished. > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:01:05 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 >people! 35,000! Absolutely no way - it more like 3500 - the tent would have had to have been over twice the size of Earls Court to accommodate that many people... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:42:54 -0400 From: DJ lava lamp Subject: (kw) the end of violence... well...i went to hmv this afternoon and lo and behold there it was... the sountrack to the end of violence...but NO kraftwerk ! who originally said there would be a new kw track on this cd ? i've waited for 11 years for new stuff, and yet another dissapointment... oh well...maybe they should title it the "end of patience" d. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:59:14 -0000 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts > From: Jon Alsbury > Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts > Date: 09 September 1997 19:01 > >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 > >people! > > 35,000! Absolutely no way - it more like 3500 - the tent would have had > to have been over twice the size of Earls Court to accommodate that > many people... The figure of 35,000 was probably the total attendance for Tribal Gathering, not the KW audience. It was packed, but not THAT packed ;-) Being near the front it was hard to tell how large the audience was, apart from getting more and more crushed during the latter half of the set. Mark. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 20:17:12 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It includes a superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed as "operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. Note to Craig and Jules, hi guys I've been quiet cos I've been away, I WILL get those Numan tickets sorted!! regards to all Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:10:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It includes a >superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed as >"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available >on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981) Guess this could be the one, or? /jorgen borjesson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:30:09 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Linz Concert Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? Georgie We are standing here, exposing ourselves, We are showroom dummies... http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: (kw) Godfathers of Techno While this term appears to be used quite regularly on this list in describing Kraftwerk I wonder what many of you would consider as the artists following on from Kraftwerk ? It seems to me that for many people on this list their association with techno began and ended with Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either a) previous Kraftwerk work, or b) contemporary techno ? How many of you have followed Kraftwerk's legacy and kept abreast of new techno music ? how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan albums and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? What do you think kraftwerk would do? if they had the attitude of some people on this list they would have just copied the prog-rock of other bands of the 70's. just curious # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:49:30 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Concerts Mark Humphrey wrote: >Being near the front it was hard to tell how large the audience was, = apart >from getting more and more crushed during the latter half of the set. I read in the Musik special on the TG that it was approx 8,000 in the Kraftwerk tent, including the overspill to the outside. The fact that two other tents closed down during their set probably added to the numbers trying the ancient art of 'sardines'. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:13:45 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno IMHO it seems that alot of people on this list do not like to associate themselves with the Techno culture of the '90's, probably why they also do not approve of the latest KW track. It maybe that some just do not like modern Techno, or that they have not experienced true Techno. Kenny Larkin, Juan Atkins, Derrick May etc., etc., are excellent artists to check out, their music is not just some 808 left to run on a repetitive beat but full of melodic and musical content. If you can get hold of a copy, check out Jazz Masters Volume 1, it features these artists and more and is highly recommended, it's a triple vinyl pack, I am not sure if you can get it on CD! Personally I can't wait for the new material, I think that the sample we have all seen and heard is fantastic, almost one of the best. Especially after seing this performed live I would suggest that all listies should wait until they have heard the full version before making a final descision. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:32:13 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno It seems to me that for many > people on this list their association with techno began and ended with > Kraftwerk. Wooouuw, man, you´re talking to someone who was living in Berlin when Techno was born. I heard Underground Resistance LIVE, and some other guys. For me the most so called techno-music nowadays is just simplest pop or even worse. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:08:02 -0700 From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) Discography? Well, I am still waiting for one of you out there to post a Kraftwerk CD discography. Lets stick to the compact discs (official releases and bootlegs) since LP's are few and far between these days. I know that someone out there has this info. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:19:12 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =20 >>I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It=20 >includes a=20 >>superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed=20 >as=20 >>"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is=20 >available=20 >>on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard.=20 =20 >The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as=20 >Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981)=20 =20 >Guess this could be the one, or?=20 =20 Yes, I am quite sure it is the one, since I have the "Toccata=20 Electronica" bootleg as well as a recording from the Utrecht concert=20 and they have the same versions of Metropolis.=20 =20 If you would like to listen to this version of Metropolis (and don't=20 have it already), you could download either the excerpt (711 Kb, wave=20 file) or the complete version (2,21 Mb, mp3 file) on my KW-page :=20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 =20 =20 =20 Another question: the "Zehn kleine Negerlein" on the above mentioned=20 "Toccata Electronica", isn't really KW, is it ???=20 =20 Ciao!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:23:53 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Hello!=20 =20 Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when=20 will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some=20 weeks to go!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:40:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Mats Kadmark wrote: > > >>I have an excellent quality tape of an '81 concert in Utrecht. It > >includes a > >>superb rendition of Metropolis with a vocal can than only be descibed > >as > >>"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is > >available > >>on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. > > >The 'Toccata Electronica' bootleg lists track #4 as > >Metropolis (Machine-version live Utrecht 1981) > > >Guess this could be the one, or? > > Yes, I am quite sure it is the one, since I have the "Toccata > Electronica" bootleg as well as a recording from the Utrecht concert > and they have the same versions of Metropolis. > Another question: the "Zehn kleine Negerlein" on the above mentioned > "Toccata Electronica", isn't really KW, is it ??? No, I doubt it very much. Ok, I can't prove anything but it sounds like it's just one of those 'pretend-to-be-KW' tracks that occurs on bootlegs. Well, sometimes these tracks are good, sometimes they're not so good. This 'Zehn Kleine Negerlein' ('Ten Little Negroes' if my knowledge of german is not too bad) is IMHO not one of the best ones... /jorgen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:50:24 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Concerts _ >The review of Tribal Gathering 1997 said that KW played to 35,000 >people! I believe that figure was the total number of visitors to TG, not just to the Trance Europe tent. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:12:10 +0200 From: "J. A." Subject: Re: (kw) Opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >"operatic"! Do any of you scribes know if this particular version is available >on CD, the quality suggest it was recorded from the Soundboard. You can found this track in the bootleg CD "TOCCATA ELECTRONICA" Regards. Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:43:56 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Mats Kadmark wrote: > > Hello! > > Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when > will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some > weeks to go! > And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled ? Are we going to meet anyway ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie wrote: > Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track > i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the > past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either Huh? Techno was only barely getting started 10 years ago. > a) previous Kraftwerk work, or That depends. We'll have to wait and see how different the new album is, if there is a new album. Even if it's radically different from what's come before, we can still talk about the direction KW is taking. > b) contemporary techno ? I would say you can compare techno to KW, but not KW to techno. In this case it's clear the egg (KW) came before the chicken (techno). > How many of you have followed Kraftwerk's legacy and kept abreast of > new techno music ? I only listen to radio stations that play techno and ambient, and I've been doing so for 7 or 8 years I guess. KW gets played occasionally, and that's how I found out about The Mix - one of the tracks was played on Chris Sheppard's radio show. > how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan > albums I'm not very fond of Numan, but then I haven't heard much of his work. > and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? Nonsense. Their music is refreshing and still better than much new stuff. > What do > you think kraftwerk would do? About what? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:27:42 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 Hi people, Do you realize how lucky you are ? Today I found another interview of KW made in 1978 during the promotion of MM. It was published in french mag Rock & Folk # 137 june 78, and it was made by Yves Adrien (aka Orphan). This interview is quite cryptic. Actually, it was Orphan’s trademark at that time, when nightclubbing was the trend, and when Amanda Lear and Moroder were a large part of the soundscape. BTW, I also found another long interview made in 91 by Michael Reinboth for the german fanzine Frontpage. Does anyone know this interview, and is there a translation available somewhere ? jbv - ------------------------------------------- Q : Let’s talk about “Man Machine”. Is the man in “Man Machine” submissive to the machine ? Florian : I don’t think so. It’s rather a more sophisticated relationship. There is an interaction. Interaction on both sides. The machine helps the man, and the man admires the machine. (showing the Sony tape recorder) This is the extension of your brain. It helps you remembering. It’s the third man sitting at this table. As for ourselves, we love our machines. We have an erotic relationship with them. Q : Yes, there were three steps : man and woman, man and heroin, man and the machine. (Enters Ralph Hutter) Forian : We were talking about the man-machine. We just started... Q : It’s quite hard to talk. Thinking is enough. When we met at the Drugstore, last night, we didn’t talk. And still we said a lot of things... Florian : It happened to me yesterday evening with D. The people who were with her asked me some questions. The wanted to understand, and it was so slow. We could not... Q : ... be in contact. Talking is a regression. Ralph : Yes. Actually, it’s a tradition inherited from the Bible. In the Bible, language is considered as the highest form of art : “At the beginning was the word”. But for us, Bible is over. There are much faster things, electric things. In our music, words are only given as a pretext. We don’t express ourselves through them. Florian : there are only signs : turn left, turn right... Q : Words are a barrier to the brain. Ralph : Yes. And everything is programed by schools. Q : In school we learn to be slow... Florian : Perhaps should we invent a synthetic language... Ralph : In German, in order to describe situations, there is that concept of “movie”. It’s a daily concept : “I met X in this or that movie”. Everyone has his own “movie”... Q : One thing I’d like to discuss is the existence of the Duplicate. The modern form of creation, in my opinion, is to create a Duplicate which is then telecontrolled. And when the media focuseon the Duplicate, their attention comes back to you magnified. In fact, the man-machine has no ego. Florian : The man-machine has a hyper-ego. Ralph : This is not the level of “individual concentration” anymore. The point of view of the nineteen century is over. The myth of the important artist has been overexploited. It doesn’t fit anymore with the standards of modern society. Today, mass production rules. Q : In Paris this week, it’s the time for fashon shows. The most superficial week of the year. Superficiality (?) erases a lot of things. It allows to get an empty brain, which is the ideal condition to create... Florian : Yes. We say “blank tape” for the brain. A blank tape, and a microphone in each ear. In music, it’s important to develop an art of listening based on emptyness. Q : Let’s go back to superficiality. You’ve been in Paris for two days et you went twice to the Palace. The Palace is the symbol of superficiality. You seem to like that place... Ralph : Yes, for us it’s like an electronic fair. To be alone in the crowd... Florian : It’s a movie theater for us. Everyone is a star. The spotlights search the stars... for a few seconds only (grin). (the discussion drifts to Warhol : “everybody will be star for 15 minutes”) the stars that spotlights reveal and then abandon... Ralph : You mentioned the Duplicate. We understand that. We were born biologically from a moment of hazard, our from a moment of post-war joy. But we were born in ourselves. We have an internal duplicate. Florian : In german, there’s an expression : to walk beside yourself. It means that you’re absent and conscious of it. Ralph : The image is here, and the camera is there. Q : Do you listen to Diskö ? Ralph : Yes, metallic Disko. Disko with a K... Q : What do you think of Georgio Moroder ? “From here to eternity” is quite closed to what you are... Florian : Yes. In Germany, some people asked me if it was our new record. I was quite surprised that I haven’t heard it yet. Ralph : Diskö is a social institution. It’s a public living-room. Mostly in Germany. We only go out in clubs. The record is a living energy, an energy for urban beings. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:02:57 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Godfathers of Techno Ra wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie wrote: > > > Kraftwerk. That could explain people's high regard for the new track > > i.e. it's probably the only techno music they've listened to in the > > past 10 years - is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either > I like the new track because of how it sounds. It sounds like Kraftwerk did it. I like what Kraftwerk does. They're the only band I've listened to that I can say haven't really written a "dud" track in their career. I used to be a die-hard techno-head, so I am, well, was, familiar with the music that was going on. I like Kraftwerk for Kraftwerk, not Kraftwerk in comparison to everybody else or because of the historical significance, etc. I suppose part of the root of my adoration is their ethos, their belief in mass-production of music, computer assistance, and so forth. They've managed to evolve their music, change their sound and so forth without abandoning their ideals. Most musical pioneers of that era can't say the same..heck, most of them don't really *have* a philosophy. Ok, so maybe Kraftwerk aren't strictly relevant to modern techno anymore. I'm sure that their new album will not break any new technological or philosophical ground. Who cares? If it's good music, what difference does it make? (And yeah, I *do* listen to "Are Friends' Electric?" from time to time, partially for nostalgia value, partially cuz I really like that song. :) - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:26:29 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Concert Hi! On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! > Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? Yes! Greetings from Austria zilli *********************** Alexander Peter Zillner EDV-Beratung Schussweg 8 4210 Unterweitersdorf *********************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:24:16 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Ooops ! (was : Old vibrations - part 3) In the middle of the 1978 interview, please read : Florian : THEY are only signs : turn left, turn right... ---- jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:49:49 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Old vibrations - part 3 Once again, jbv has blessed us with another fascinating KW interview! ThanX again, jbv! A couple of major points caught me by the heartstrings.... > Florian: As for ourselves, we love our machines. We have an erotic > relationship with them. *sigh* Lucky machines! I've always thought this same thing, even before I discovered KW in '78. The discussion of Telepathy is also right on target. Words just get in the way. Direct brainlink with KlingKlang would be the Ultimate! They've mentioned that concept in other interviews- to plug in and "play any sound you can think of". YES! I'm THERE! Plug me IN! re: Giorgio Moroder.... > Q : What do you think of Georgio Moroder ? “From here to eternity” is > quite closed to what you are... > > Florian : Yes. In Germany, some people asked me if it was our new > record. I was quite surprised that I haven’t heard it yet. - -????- I don't recognize that title. It's not the one with "E=MC2", is it? - -(Uh, no, I think that is the title of this album I have, as well as a track. It's too "Disco" for me, but, I love the cover art! Rats- I can't find it at the moment to give the artist's name. Moroder looks like a ROBOT! KooL!)- I have some EARLY Moroder: "Einzelganger", 1975 -(EXcellent album!)- and "Son of My Father", 1972. -(Very rare. Not pure electronic, but, good music nevertheless. Especially "Tears", the last track.)- I'm looking for the "Chase" theme he did for the "Cat People" movie. I recall it was on the flip-side of Bowie's title theme on a 45 in a JukeBox I knew many years ago.*sigh*. Ah, fond memories.... Erotic relationship with Machines, indeed! If Ralf & Florian only knew- it's SPOOKY, like I'm psychically linked to them or something. I think the same way they do. I get an image or sound in my brain, and it turns up on their next album- it happened with CW and E.Cafe, for sure. I swear, I'm picking up signals from KlingKlang: "I'm the Antenna catching vibration...." They're the Transmitter giving information, and vice/versa. *shiver* What a thrill! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:24:29 +0200 From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale Hi Kraftwerk at TRIBAL GATHERING 97 - The full concert on CD I have a few of this double CD set for sale. This is the full Tribal Gathering Kraftwerk concert, not the amputated BBC session - It's the full 90 Minutes, and as a bonus a Japanese concert containing a very long live version of autobahn. The set contains a full lenght live version of the NEW KRAFTWERK SONG, and the 27 sec MTV clip of the same song. The tribal gathering is an audience recording, which score 6 out of 10, the Budokan Concert is a Radio-recording, which score 8 out of 10. The double set cost 50 US$, including postage, anywere in the world. If you're interested - Mail me for further instructions. nelleman@biobase.dk Kraftwerk, Luton Hoo, Tribal Gathering Festival 24 May 1997 Disk 1: 4:59 Numbers 3:39 Computerworld 7:50 It's More fun to compute 9:12 Man Machine 5:30 Tour de France 12:11 Autobahn 8:06 Radioaktivity 8:49 Trans Europe Express/Abzug/Metal on Metal 10:56 Pocket calculator/Dentaku Disk 2: 9:36 Robots 6:22 New Track 10:03 Music Non-Stop 0:27 New Song clip from MTV Kraftwerk, Tokyo, Budokan Hall 9 July 1981 8:16 Neonlights 5:48 Computerlove 4:51 Homecomputer 17:41 Autobahn 5:36 Showroom Dummies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:30:42 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering 97 concert on CD for sale Lars Nellemann wrote: >The double set cost 50 US$, including postage, anywere in the world. Well, This is profit making to the extreme isn't it. I also will soon have a Cd set of the Tribal Gathering, and we will offer this to the list for a MUCH reduced price to this rip-off! Pay your money and take your chances! ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:49:19 +0200 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Pictures of concert tickets I have put pictures of the concert tickets of the KW concerts I attended on my homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk.html I will expand this page with more info as time is avalable to me. Dolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:52:26 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) johan.andersson wrote : >Apology to JBV Jeeez ! Some is apologizing to ME ! First time in my life ! >sorry if I was rude suggesting you don´t know >shit, I know you do Well, even if I saw them live a few times, I don’t know anything more than what I read in magazines & newspapers & mailing list, and what I heard on radio and saw on TV along the years. I’m sure several people on this list know much more than me. Am I wrong, Ralf ? (And there’s no need to apologize for being rude. Actually, I love when messages feature such things as “drop dead you f*ucking asshole”. But the atmosphere of this list is different, so I learned to cope with it.) But one thing I know FOR SURE is the context. I mean, I bought their first album in 1971 and since then everything they did is like white stones in my personal life. For instance, I remember the day I picked up MM at the local record store in may 78. After hearing it, I rushed to a friend’s place, knocked at his door at 1:00 am shouting “I’ve got the new KW !” and we spent the rest of the night listening to it and talking about it. Back then we were student and were supposed to have an exam a couple of days later, but that night, we didn’t give a shit about the exam. When I saw them live in june 81, it was shortly after Miterrand and the new socialist majority was elected in France, and I remember the atmosphere of that period. I also remember when my first girl friend ran away in 1987, we had a big fight regarding which KW albums were mine and which ones she could take with her. And so on... >today everybody and his dog could by some synthesizers >equal to the Kling klang studio in the early eighties. Simon.O'Conmhaigh wrote >is it right to compare new Kraftwerk work with either > a) previous Kraftwerk work, or > b) contemporary techno ? >how many of you still pull out old Gary Numan > albums and treat Kraftwerk as a nostalgic & historical item? What do > you think kraftwerk would do? if they had the attitude of some people > on this list they would have just copied the prog-rock of other bands > of the 70's. Well, well, well... So many things to answer... First, I suppose you’re pretty young fans. No offense ! It’s a great quality : you’re still fresh and not yet as cynical as we are, we the old monkeys... The only thing (even if you know every KW song by heart) is that you don’t remember the context. For instance, I re-read yesterday about 5 or 6 reviews of CW published in french mags in 81, and, believe it or not, THEY’RE ALL BASHING KW !!!! The main topics are : - Is it worth waiting 4 years for that ? - Almost every song could have been composed by some other band; there’s nothing new in that album. KW aren’t years ahead anymore. And I must say that the latter did make sense at that time. For instance, it was said that Pocket Calculator could have been composed by the Tokow Boys, a french band that was fashionable at that time. And that was true : they used to composed such fresh & catchy tunes. But who remembers them today ? In the same way, when EC was released in 86, lots of reviews were not too good, saying “this album isn’t going anywhere; the music is just a soundtrack for US rappers. As for myself, I never liked the 3rd album. As I said in a previous post, I always saw it as a cheap imitation of what the repetitive music school was doing back then. And since the first day I heard MM (see above) I’ve hated Spacelab, Metropolis and Neon Lights, because it was only cheap imitations of what Georgio Moroder was doing in Munchen at the same time. To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco singers were miles ahead of KW. Fortunately, MM featured The Robots, The Model and Man Machine which are true pieces of art. On TEE, I ALWAYS hated “Hall of mirrors”. If I remember back then, after all the trend of glam rock, decadent rock and the kind of stuff, lot of people were tired of the cheap narcissism of many rock stars (dinosaurs ?) and were looking towards some fresher sounds (aka punk). To me, Hall of Mirrors is exactly in the vein of the tired narcissic english rock of the late 70s. This feeling is reinforced by their acquaintance with Bowie who was desperately looking for some new inspiration at that time... But I have to say that “Les Mannequins” (not Showroom Dummies) and TEE are pure masterworks to me. It’s also a real pity that when it comes about electro-pop of the late 70s and early 80s, always the same names pop up : Gary Numan and Depeche Mode. Actually, there was tons of stuff at that time. For instance, Suicide and DEVO. Please remember that Suicide started in 1973, shortly after KW, and were also VERY influenced by the NY repetitive school. Suicide appeared in some ways like the evil side of KW. I’ve always thought that the difference between them was that KW used to clean their studio when Suicide never did it... ;-) Did you ever notice the many similarities between The Model and Cheree ? Roughly at the same time YMO released their first album which was a fresh asian answer to KW. I’ve always thought that “La femme chinoise” is one of the most wonderful techno-pop song that nobody, even KW, has been able to equal. BTW, I always felt that that song and Man-machine were about the same thing... Another great thing released in 1978 was “TVOD” / “Warm Leatherette” by The Normal (aka Miller), which is miles above anything KW ever did. I’m sure one can draw a straight line between those two songs and hardcore techno. Back then, it was called “cold wave”. The point I want to make is that circa 78-81, lots of bands were already doing the same thing as KW (and sometimes even better). Of course, large parts of that music sounds incredibely dated today. I always hated Numan of D.Mode : to me they were only cheap imitators / wanabees. And I totally agree with Alan Vega when he said in many interviews that they stole his music and changed it into a piece of shit. As for DM being cheap imitators of KW, I remember in 80 or 81 (I’m not sure) seeing them in a TV show, just the 4 guys singing in positions a-la-KW, with a Revox playing the musical background ! So cheap ! And after that, we had Visage, Ultravox and all the pirate fashion... My god... Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. I listened to the first HM albums a couple of weeks ago and almost throwed them to the bin. The only things that didn’t piss me off were their first 7” single and the 12” “Dignity of labour”. Another point I want to make is that not everything was prog. rock in the 70s. Of course, there were tons of terrible things at that time, but also lots of subtile differences between bands, and I think you should get more information on that period... May be KW didn’t really start techno, but they started to develop a certain attitude towards synths which caught up among several successive generation of musicians (who often didn’t really understand the whole thing). And last but not least, it is always right to compare an artist’s work with his earlier work, and especially regarding KW, since Ralf has been repeating for years “KW will never stop, we keep working and working to improve the studio and the music. And as you can see in the various interviews I posted recently, KW music has nothing to do with some enjoyable music. R&F always stated firmly that listening to their music is an active process which is supposed to be followed by a different ear towards things, situations, environment, cultural differences, etc. >I'm sure that their new album will not break any new >technological or philosophical ground. Who cares? I CARE ! It’s a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a pilgrimage : I’m expecting new directions and new ideas for the next 10 years (even if I don’t always agree with what they come up with). FINALLY, I think the real godfathers of techno were synth presets and demo patches. jbv - ------------- P.S. Wy didn’t Elton John sing “Warm Leatherette” at the funerals of Lady Di ? Remember the lyrics ? “Quick ! Let’s make love, before you die. 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