From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #140 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Friday, September 12 1997 Volume 03 : Number 140 In this issue: Re: (kw) David Byrne on CNN (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk (kw) Arrieres pensees, qui sait ? Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting (kw) Warm leatherette Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting Re: (kw) Linz Concert Re: (kw) Warm leatherette (kw) Warm Leatherette Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Re: (kw) Warm leatherette/ Devo Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Re: (kw) Warm leatherette (kw) Conspiracy--who do I kill? (kw) Missing Links (kw) Introduction / Karlsruhe ticket...? (kw) Ticket for Karlsruhe wanted Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk Re: (kw) Warm leatherette (kw) SHIT!!! (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 Re: (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 (kw) Play Magazin Re: (kw) the end of violence... (kw) With a little help from my friends (kw) One in ten (kw) Old radio & TV shows (kw) Linz event Re: (kw) With a little help from my friends (kw) "Isolation Tank" -(KW CDs, etc.)- See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:51:17 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) David Byrne on CNN > I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because > of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face > representing hom and his new album David Byrne's "Feelings" is an excellent album - I'd recommend it to everybody on this list who appreciates fine music - and yes, there is a strong Kraftwerk influence on the sleeve art! It's great - go buy it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:08:32 +0600 From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk >To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco >singers >were miles ahead of KW. hello list i just picked up donna summers "i feel love". it is awesome. could some of you list off a few more of moroder's electro disco tracks that are worth checking out? thanks darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:54:19 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Arrieres pensees, qui sait ? Hey Ralf, you know what ? I just subscribed to the YMO mailing list at http://www.tezcat.com/~klee/ymo.html jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:51:39 +0200 (MST) From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 resin@tuna.net wrote: > > >To be honnest, I think that a few things produced by Moroder with disco > >singers > >were miles ahead of KW. > > hello list > i just picked up donna summers "i feel love". it is awesome. could some of > you list off a few more of moroder's electro disco tracks that are worth > checking out? > > thanks > darren > Try to get the sound track of Moroder's '83 remake of Fritz Lang's Metropolis (published @ Sony), I think the music is really ok. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:59:47 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken As I was around in the 70's too, I'd like to throw in my 2 bits about jbv's posting. First, I think it was an excellent reminder that there was and is tons of good music outside KW.=20 jbv wrote: > For instance, I remember the day I picked up MM at the local record > store in may 78. - -snip- > First, I suppose you=92re pretty young fans. No offense ! It=92s a grea= t > quality : you=92re still fresh and not yet as cynical as we are, we the > old monkeys... Well, I guess I'm one of the old monkeys, too... I have to admit I only discovered Kraftwerk when the Man-Machine was released. Specifically, I read the praising review in NME and went and bought the record and loved it. After that I bought the earlier albums that were available. > It=92s also a real pity that when it comes about electro-pop of the lat= e > 70s and early 80s, always the same names pop up : Gary Numan and Depech= e > Mode. Actually, there was tons of stuff at that time. For instance, > Suicide and DEVO.=20 And John Foxx, who I always liked more than Numan... > Suicide appeared in some ways like the evil side of KW. I=92ve always > thought that the difference between them was that KW used to clean thei= r > studio when Suicide never did it... ;-) Ha ha, that about sums it up, yes! > Did you ever notice the many similarities between The Model and Cheree = ? > Roughly at the same time YMO released their first album which was a > fresh asian answer to KW. I=92ve always thought that =93La femme chinoi= se=94 > is one of the most wonderful techno-pop song that nobody, even KW, has > been able to equal. BTW, I always felt that that song and Man-machine > were about the same thing... I had a friend who actually accused KW of copying YMO when CW was released. By that time I was hooked on KW and thought that was the worst heresy possible. But he had a point there, though. Anyway, YMO did some GREAT stuff, Technodelic and all... > Another great thing released in 1978 was =93TVOD=94 / =93Warm Leatheret= te=94 by > The Normal (aka Miller), which is miles above anything KW ever did. I=92= m > sure one can draw a straight line between those two songs and hardcore > techno. Back then, it was called =93cold wave=94. WOW! That was the other record that hit me in '78! I don't know if it's possible to get it anywhere these days but I recommend that single to everybody in this list. > The point I want to make is that circa 78-81, lots of bands were alread= y > doing the same thing as KW (and sometimes even better). Yes, for example there were Sparks who made an album with Moroder that supposedly influenced many of the synth pop bands. And there were other things happening, like Eno who came up with the idea of ambient. And of course the 70's synth drones of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze had some effect, too. And other, different things started also... There were the first heavy metal bands starting with Black Sabbath (who made me pick up a guitar and start playing in the first place). > Another point I want to make is that not everything was prog. I have to admit that during the early 70's I mostly listened to prog and still am a big fan of 70's prog. Prog and techno are not mutually exclusive, just two very different approaches towards music. Actually the prog keyboardists like Emerson made me buy my first synthesizer. And then Kraftwerk made me drop the guitar for a while and get some sequencers running. And Normal fooled me to try to sing but that was a big mistake! > Of course, there were tons of terrible things at that time, There were The Sweet and The Bay City Rollers thing... and tons of others who were not that terrible, just plain mediocre that we don't even remember any more. > As for DM being cheap imitators of KW, I remember in 80 or 81 (I=92m no= t > sure) seeing them in a TV show, just the 4 guys singing in positions > a-la-KW, with a Revox playing the musical background ! So cheap ! Well, DM maybe started as cheap imitators but soon after Vince Clarke was out they went out to develop their very own thing. A good thing, IMO. > And after that, we had Visage, Ultravox and all the pirate fashion... M= y > god...Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. Yes, much of that music sounds really dated. But Yello did some still enjoyable music, even if the sounds are not that great. > FINALLY, I think the real godfathers of techno were synth presets and > demo patches. Or maybe it was Ikutaro Kakehashi, the boss of Roland who made the first affordable programmable drum machines and sequencers available. > P.S. Wy didn=92t Elton John sing =93Warm Leatherette=94 at the funeral= s of > Lady Di ? > Remember the lyrics ? =93Quick ! Let=92s make love, before you die. Joi= n the > car crash set=94 Are there similar lyrics in today=92s techno ? And after that, T.V.O.D. to the billions of people who watched it on TV! "I don't need no TV screen, I just stick the aerial into my skin and let the signal flow through my veins, TVOD" Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:44 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk While we are on the subject of Moroder disco tracks, also check out material by the late Patrick Cowley. His most famous productions were tracks like Do You Wanna Funk and Menergy with Sylvester and Megatron as a solo project. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:14:41 +0200 From: Morten Moen Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting >And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled? Are we going to meet anyway? In norwegian we have this saying "troll i ord" which means something like "sorcery in words". What it means is that we don't talk about things that we don't want to happen! So NO more of this! :-) Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:19:09 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Warm leatherette Otso Pakarinen wrote : >WOW! That was the other record that hit me in '78! I don't know if it's >possible to get it anywhere these days but I recommend that single to >everybody in this list. Yes, that single actually started all the “cold wave” movement and all the home-made cassettes with xerox artwork that followed. The guy behind this one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn’t start Mute with the money of TVOD / W.L. The single was “Mute 001” and had a picture of crash test dummies on the front cover. And shortly after that he formed The Silicon Teens. Anybody remember that ? I remember buying the single in spring 78, shortly after Man Machine. And the next summer, my girlfriend and I used to park our car in supermarkets parking lots at night and fuck like crazy in the car while that song was blasting non stop on the car stereo... Sweet memories... I also found a re-issue of it as a CD single during summer 95 at Tower’s on Sunset Blvd in L.A. I also have somewhere a live record of the Normal (actually a one-side vinyl). As I’m planing to pack my vinyls next week, I should be able to check. I also think that Grace Jones made a cover of Warm Leatherette in the mid 80s, on an album produced by Robert Palmer (or was it Goude ?)... Anyway, for those who didn’t dare to ask, here are the lyrics of Warm Leatherette (one line is missing : since my english is less than perfect, I never understood that part - anyone ?) Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette See the breaking glass In the underpass Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Hear the crashing steel Feel the steering wheel Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Melts on your burning flesh I can see your reflection In the luminescent tash Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette A tear of petrol Is in your eye The handbrake ???????????????????? Quick ! Let’s make love Before you die On warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Warm Leatherette Join the car crash set jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:10:07 +0800 From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe meeting >> Just wondering who is organising the Karlsruhe meeting, where and when >> will we all meet? No big hurry with the answering of course, still some >> weeks to go! >> > >And what if the karlsruhe gig is canceled ? Are we going to meet anyway >? > >jbv 8-( that had better not happen! when i am moving heaven and earth to be in Karlsruhe in October!!! monique singapore # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:24:12 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Linz Concert alpezi@zilli.priv.at wrote: >Hi! >On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: >> Good day: I got my ticket today! Jippei...! >> Does anybody have informations about the Posthof? >Yes! Wie gross? Und hoffentlich schoener als die Kurhalle Oberlaa...:-/! cu, Georgie We are standing here, exposing ourselves, We are showroom dummies... http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:39:13 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette jbv wrote: > The guy behind this > one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first > producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn=92t start Mute with = the > money of TVOD / W.L. Yes, he probably did. > And shortly after that he formed The Silicon Teens. Anybody remember > that ? Yeah, it's a nice record in a cute, harmless way. I still got it. > never understood that part - anyone ?) sure: >A tear of petrol >Is in your eye >The handbrake _penetrates your thigh_ As far as I can tell, anyway... Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:45:02 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Warm Leatherette The only version of this song I like is the Grace Jones version on the album of the same name. See ya........ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:50:09 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette >=20 > > The guy behind this > > one-man project was Daniel Miller, founder of Mute Records and first > > producer of Depeche Mode. I even wonder if he didn=92t start Mute wit= h > > the money of TVOD / W.L. >=20 > Yes, he probably did. >=20 Well, he founded Mute so he would have a label to sell WL/TVOD. But the proceeds we used to sign all those other Mute bands. So while Mute wasn't strictly founded with the proceeds, it was made into a "real" label with them Point of note: Daniel Miller is stilmusically involved - he contributed a riff to a track on the latest Depeche Mode album and co-remixed the radio version of the upcoming single. =20 > >A tear of petrol > >Is in your eye > >The handbrake > _penetrates your thigh_ >=20 > As far as I can tell, anyway... Isn't this song inspiried by the same source that inspired Cronenberg's film "Crash"? (why can't I remember the author's name right now?). You know, the whole thing about people who get turned on by auto accidents. The SugarCubes' "MotorCrash" is similar, although I can't tell if it's the same cuz Bjork's accent was thicker back then. In this whole "Techno Godfathers"/Cold Wave debate, I'm surprised nobody has brought up ClockDVA, DAF or SPK...they were all around at roughly the same time as The Normal and Kraftwerk, and they each had profound influences on the development of electronic, electro-industrial, cold-wave and techno... And a big thanks to whoever brought up John Foxx! :) - --=20 =3D--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=3D=20 | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |=20 =3D------------------------------------------------------------------=3D I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:59:05 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard Corps etc., etc.,........... I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember them! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) >I CARE ! It's a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every >time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a >pilgrimage : I'm expecting new directions and new ideas for the next >10 years (even if I don't always agree with what they come up with). If it's a large part of Kraftwerk to break new ground then surely fans of Kraftwerk should try and do the same by seeking out today's future music. It seems that this list concentrates on that which Kraftwerk have no interest in: the past. Kraftwerk stood out at the time because they were largely doing something musically new - their music and their philosopy went hand in hand. Nowadays, I think their philosophy may be the same but it will be very difficult for them to stand out musically as well. Kraftwerk deserve utmost respect for their contributions to techno, however you can only expect them to change the face of music once. Seek new god(father)s. cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:00:58 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Craig Land wrote: > > I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard > Corps etc., etc.,........... > > I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember > them! > Oh, well, I wasn't on the list then...:) - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:53:52 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) Simon.O'Conmhaigh wrote : > Seek new god(father)s. OK. So please feed us with some names (not too hard to find...) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:21:59 +0000 From: "Ian J.Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette/ Devo This is available on a CD single MUTECD001. And re:Devo, their demos from 1974 onwards feature home-made electronic percussion, built by their then drummer Jim Mothersbaugh who went on to work for Roland. Although more conventionally looking like drums (c.f. Devo video for "Secret Agent Man" circa 1976) the sounds are not dissimilar to those of "Radioactivity". I doubt Devo / Jim were "ripping off" KW, just a case of simultaneous development. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:49:19 +0200 From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) The german egg and the techno chicken (Too long) My Bloody Valentine !! ....... ........... cant really say more.... > OK. So please feed us with some names (not too hard to > find...) - -- Fer fgoiriz@arrakis.es "You're so close, but far away" aka. Werk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:22:23 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette >I have brought up SPK before, with other groups like Data and Hard >Corps etc., etc.,........... > >I also got replies to these saying that other 'listies' also remember >them! don't forget Whitehouse - I seem to remember William Bennett (Whitehouse founder member) saying he was helped and inspired by Daniel Miller (The Normal) and Robert Rental from whom he bought an 'uncontrollably vicious beast of a synthesiser' that became the core of the Whitehouse sound. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:53:51 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Conspiracy--who do I kill? Well, the soundtrack to "The End of Violence" was released here, in the USA, on Outpost/Geffen/MCA Records (OPRD-30008), and although the CD looks halfway decent, WHERE'S THE GODDAMN KRAFTWERK TRACK everyone promised! Smells like a conspiracy against the fans here, knowhutimsayin'? Anyone else in Kraftwerk land, were you lucky? On a more positive note, the electro-gods were written up in the latest issue of "Vibe" magazine, in their "props" column on the last page. However, they misidentified the group's personnel! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:04:48 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Missing Links Hi! Quick question: Ironically, I had just posted my updated KW Links List, and then I received AKTIVITAT #9, which includes an article on KW Links! -(ThanX, Ian! Nice TG coverage!)- Well, I saw the URL for this huge database I'd been looking for, but, I still can't get it to come up. Does anyone know if this site is still active? I need to find this particular "dummies" foto- different than the usual M.M "banner" stage set-up. btw: I'm still looking for Jimmy's x3m Fina Sida. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:53:07 -0700 From: Jens Pielawa Subject: (kw) Introduction / Karlsruhe ticket...? Hi everybody, I am new to the Kraftwerk ML and would like to introduce myself. My name is Jens Pielawa and I am 32 years old, living in Hannover, Germany. I am subscribed already to other ML’s, so I am not that sort of newbie asking any annoying questions. As well these days I am more just to lurk in, because of becoming a father in a few days. I have a medium size collection of Kraftwerk, including both 12" releases of "Tour de France" and the best Kraftwerk remix ever, the 12" Francois Kervorkian remix of "Der Telefonanruf", which even beats the original. The first encounter with the band was back in December 1981, attending a concert here in Hannover with just knowing the songs from "Mensch Maschine". After that I bought and listened to everything released after "Autobahn". BTW, if any (german) fan would like to sell a concert ticket for Karlsruhe, due to unexpected other dates or events, please email me in private to one of the two addresses stated below. TIA. Greetings, _ (_) ___ _ ___ ___ Name : J e n s P i e l a w a | |/ _ \ '_ \/ __| E-Mail: pielawa@aol.com < o r > pielawa@bgr.de _ | | __/ | | |\__ \ Music : Erasure, Jean Michel Jarre, Mike Oldfield, \ \| |\___|_| |_||___/ Vangelis, Art of Noise, Howard Jones, OMD, \___/ Alan Parsons, Kraftwerk, Human League etc. "And I say yes to your love and there's no secrets" - Bell & Clarke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:29:35 +0200 (MST) From: Thomas Weckert Subject: (kw) Ticket for Karlsruhe wanted If anybody out there has a ticket for the Karlsruhe event for sale, then please e-mail me. Money is no matter. It's more fun to compute! Thomas - -------------------------------------------------------- Ernie Studentengruppe, Mathematisches Institut Uni K"oln e-mail: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de WWW: http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:40:40 +0100 From: P Fearne Subject: Re: (kw) Moroder vs. kraftwerk I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 03:07:48 -0400 From: Alex Laney Subject: Re: (kw) Warm leatherette Eric Oehler wrote: > Isn't this song inspiried by the same source that inspired Cronenberg's > film "Crash"? (why can't I remember the author's name right now?). You > know, the whole thing about people who get turned on by auto accidents. J.G. Ballard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:09:54 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) SHIT!!! ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com MOTHERFUCKER!!! :-( I just saw the Kraftwerkvideo "Telephone Call" from Danish Television in PERFECT Stereo and PERFECT picture (stupid ass shit fuck£$#¤%&) and guess what??? - NO VIDEOTAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes it's just not ment to be... Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:46:56 +0600 From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 >I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop >sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass David ? darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:30:57 +0200 (MST) From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) moroder vs. kraftwerk 1998 On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 resin@tuna.net wrote: > > >I have gone off Kraftwerk and now like the Spice Girls so will you stop > >sending me e-mails as your becomming a pane in the ass > David > > > ? > darren > I guess this mail was a fake. Anyway, I can only shake my head, maybe that's part of the crazyness of this guy... Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:42:25 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Play Magazin The September issue of the German freebie Play Magazin contains the (pretty irrelevant) first part of a retrospective Kraftwerk article. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:42:25 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) the end of violence... > well...i went to hmv this afternoon and lo and behold there it was... > the sountrack to the end of violence...but NO kraftwerk ! > who originally said there would be a new kw track on this cd ? This was originally reported in the Los Angeles Times. However, the Kraftwerk track is supposed to be in the soundtrack of the *movie*, which must not necessarily mean that it is also featured on the corresponding CD release - just remember the "Breakdance" movie and "Tour de France". ;-) Has anyone seen the movie yet? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:26:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) With a little help from my friends I began to translate the interview of Ralf I found in the issue 7/8 91 of german fanzine Frontpage, but I'm meeting a few problems coz it's not so easy for a french guy to translate straight from german to english. Unless that translation is already available on some site, could someone be kind enough to give me a lift ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:59:50 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) One in ten Hello, Today I=B4ve heard a old song of UB40 remixed by 808 State (in 92?)called "One in ten" and the bass is the same that "The model" bassline. Only a curiosity... ;-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:06:12 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Old radio & TV shows Meine Damen und Herren I think it’s time to let you know about my investigations regarding old radio & TV shows about KW. You certainly remember that a couple of weeks ago I launched a research in the archive service of the french national radio & TV. First, the bad news. Regarding radio broadcasts of gigs and interviews of 1976, they indeed traced the material, BUT it’s unavailable simply because IT’S BEEN TRASHED ! It seems like they can’t file everything, so every 3 months or so, someone is supposed to make a choice between what will be kept and what will be trashed. Can you imagine this ? Some jerk paid with the taxpayers money decided some years ago that this material was of no interest and decided to destroy the tapes... SHIT ! After that, I traced the guy who made the 1976 interview on France Musique, but he said sorry I didn’t keep any archive from that time, not even a tape or some notes... sigh... And now, the good news. (drum roll) As for TV stuff, there’s plenty available. Roughly : the material is from 73, 76, 78, 82 and the length ranges from 10 min to 47 min. The best news is that the 1973 POP 2 program is available. The not-so good news is that it’s the program that was broadcasted on march 10, 1973 (meaning : only with short excerpts of KW gig), while the original takes of the gig have disapeared. Now, I’m gonna get an appointment to view all that stuff, check the musical and technical quality (according to what they said, it’s at least good quality) and see under which conditions it can be used. BTW, they already charged me $ 100 for the research. cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:36:46 -0100 From: Virgo/Ae Subject: (kw) Linz event Me and a friend of mine are interested in going to Linz, Austria (I know Karlsruhe date tickets are sold out) for the featured Kraftwerk exhibition on 16/10/97. I'm seeking for info about the show, the exact place in Linz of this event and where to buy tickets. Any help? Thanx & cya. P.z.: sorry if I'm boring, but I've been linking the cool KW mailing list only for 10 days.... - -- - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- "I'm the operator of my pocket calculator...." - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:18:15 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) With a little help from my friends I'd like to thank all the people who kindly offered their services to help me translate the KW interview. And the winner is : Thomas Weckert !!! who first answered my message. Congratulations Thomas, and thanx for canceling all your plans for the next week-end. ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:28:27 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Isolation Tank" -(KW CDs, etc.)- Attention KW-Markt Shoppers: I found an interesting WebSite linked from 'alt.music.makers.electronic' called The Isolation Tank, where you can order various CDs, etc. KRAFTWERK is listed as Industrial. Main Page, click Tank to enter. Scroll till you see the SEARCH bar, type KRAFTWERK, and a page of CDs and 2 T-shirts will come up for starters.... Here's the confusing part- it says, "click on band's name to order". So, I clicked on "KRAFTWERK" in the same row as the T-shirt listed at the very bottom. Then another list of CDs came up, this time with the "order" button at the far right, -(And the totally right-on opening phrase: "The masters. What can we say?")-, but, I can't figure out how to order the T-shirt on the previous list-page. -(I hate being Computer-Illiterate!)- So, I emailed for more info. If anyone else can figure it out, GO for it. They've got all kinds of other Artists as well. It's worth checking out. I can't recall if anyone else posted this site before, so, I'm posting it now at the risk of repeating old information. BTW: I'm sure there are plenty more KW Posters available from: Search KRAFTWERK to see the 2 different designs- Computerwelt and The MIX- very nice! I got mine in only 2 weeks, from Deutscland to the US of A! - -($3.99 apiece + p&h. I paid $11.88 total for both posters. Very reasonable. Good quality prints!)- They have other Artists, too, ofcourse. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #140 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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