From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #143 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 03 : Number 143 In this issue: (kw) Fun on the Autobahn (kw) Sky Magazine Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS (kw) NEW ALBUM ! (kw) Re: Album Price Re: (kw) Photos & ads Re: (kw) Re: Album Price (kw) TV (kw) Kraftwelt (kw) Olympic CD by Nexus (kw) Photos & ads Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) Re: Album Price (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwelt Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Re: Album Price (kw) Live forever Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) Oasiswerk?! Re: (kw) Oasiswerk?! [none] (kw) Kraftwerk in Linz [none] (kw) Re : Endless discussions SV: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) Remixes Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Fwd: (kw) Re: Album Price See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:41:48 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) Fun on the Autobahn Hi, Recently I made a 3D logo of Autobahn and today I put it on my web site in VRML format. It looks funny, however VRML is strange thing and maybe it doesn't work with some browsers. Anyway it should work with Live3D (Netscape 3) or similar browser. Try it on: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw.html or directly http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw/auto.wrl colors and lightings aren't that good yet, I have to improve it, but geometry seems OK. Have Fun! Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole _______________|___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 14:33:18 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Sky Magazine Nice picture of Kraftwerk in Sky Magazine's "images of the summer" feature in October issue. It's a shot taken during "Man Machine". Someone, was it one of you, is wearing the saddest red/green hat you'll ever see! Own up now. Regards Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:38:00 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) MESSAGE IN PORTUGUESE FOR KRAFT FANS Jules Seifert wrote: > could somebody translate please???? Paulo Mouat wrote : >It is intended to gather all brasilian KW fans, with possible exchange >of material, nothing particularly relevant to fans of other countries. >I find the message quite lacking in netiquette, since it is posted on a >medium where the vast majority doesn't understand the language and >particularly in all-caps. Messages of this kind should be posted in >english, even if directed at people with other native languages. I don't really agree : I think it's nice to escape from english at times... It's a pity that this list doesn't allow attached files, for I would enjoy some bresilian music and views... Let us know what's going on in Brazil these days... Did KW ever play over there ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:43:28 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) NEW ALBUM ! So, where is that new album ? I've heard it should be released today... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:16:56 -0700 From: Ronald Pieket Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price "Jose Gonzalez" wrote: > After listening this CD i think that it's a mystery how these guys > evolved to their electronic sounds (one of the biggest mysteries of > this century indeed). Maybe they were abducted and some kind aliens > taught them to play those nice rhythms ... who knows ? other X-File ? If you listen to the three albums between Tone Float and Autobahn (Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk2 - Ralf&Florian), the evolution of ideas and sound is very clear, and quite gradual. Tone Float is indeed an odd one, the other three pre-Autobahn albums are much more pleasing to listen to. - - Ronald. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:47:09 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Photos & ads > It looks like some of you are quite excited by pictures of R&F. > specially by those with cones and girls ;P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:49:41 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price > If you listen to the three albums between Tone Float and Autobahn > (Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk2 - Ralf&Florian), the evolution of ideas and sound > is very clear, and quite gradual. > > Tone Float is indeed an odd one, the other three pre-Autobahn albums are > much more pleasing to listen to. unfortunately i only have Ralf & Florian... >:( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:11:17 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) TV Hi Werkers! I bought my second (yes, I will seek professional help) picture 12" of = TV with EM. Im "delighted" to say that it skips exactly at the same place as the = first one!! ;-) My suspicion is that all the picture 12" skips, but how about the black = ones? And does anyone have a picture 12" that doesn=B4t skip? (no, I don=B4t want to buy it, I already got 2 ;-)) /Uffe Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_ ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ *Why*Does*It*Hurt*When*My*Heart*Misses*The*Beat*?* ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_= /\_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:39:10 +0100 From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt Forgive me if this has been discussed before , but has anyone else heard an album by "Kraftwelt" called Electric Dimension? Got any background? It's 'dedicated to Ralf and Florian'on the cover and on a first listening is dull with the odd decent bit - if you see it ,save your money for the box set (all 4 12" available for £35 each in London today - - alas no box or "t" ) Does anyone in the UK know where Yamo's Time Pie is on sale ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:16:50 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Olympic CD by Nexus Hey Nexus or whoever did the insert art for the CD Can you send me the files used to generate the art. I have access to color laser so I'd like ot be able to recreate if I end up making any CD's for anyone else Thanks! Once I verify I have no problems creating duplicate of the Olympic CD, I will let north americans knwo what procedure to follow in order to obtain a copy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:41:55 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Photos & ads Your attention please... Today I managed to scan the pictures. Everything was done on a Mac, but I think that file formats such as PICT, TIFF or JPEG can also be used on PCs. All pictures have been scanned at 300 dpi. Some of them are in color, so the original files are huge. JPEG compression reduces the size of the files to about 5 % of the original size. Anyway, some pictures are still 700 Kb. Here is what I have : Photos : - 1978 4 members color TEE - 1976 4 members color RA - 1991 4 robots inverted colors MIX - 1981 R&F B&W CW - 1976 R&F B&W RA - 1976 Florian B&W RA - 1973 Ralf B&W Paris gig Ads : - 1981 1/4 page ad for Paris gig (in french) - 1981 full page ad for CW (in french) Finally, I decided to trade each picture for something. For instance, ROBOT sent me two big kisses on both cheeks for posting the interviews. So, what will I get for each picture ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:35:27 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:32:03 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Adam Schefflan wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > NIN, Teddy Riley and Bally Sagoo. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:35:31 -0700 From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price Can any of you get me info on a good place to get KW bootleg CD's? I promise to keep the information confidential if it needs to be. "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:41:44 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. ...what about me? I've got a studio including several samplers, vintage synthesizers & vocoders... and I LOVE KW!!!!!!! ...not to mention the knowledge & time ;-) ///Charlie Crash (...I've thought of a 'TdF' club-stuffer in Brooklyn Bounce/Sash stile of my own touch with great respect for the old Düsseldorfers...anyone fancy that?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:59:25 +0200 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price On 13.09.97 at 22:16, sgray@globalnet.co.uk wrote:=20 =20 >Well, ToneFloat is readily available in Scotland in various shops=20 (HMV,=20 >Virgin, Tower).=20 >I bought it just last week on CD and it cost me only =A312.99. It is=20 >available on other formats aswell. Sounds like the chap who paid $250=20 was=20 >diddled.=20 =B0=B0=B0 Hello!=20 =B0=B0 ...>available on other formats aswell Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwelt On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Geoff Watson wrote: > Forgive me if this has been discussed before , but has anyone else heard > an album by "Kraftwelt" called Electric Dimension? Got any background? > It's 'dedicated to Ralf and Florian'on the cover and on a first > listening is dull with the odd decent bit - if you see it ,save your > money for the box set (all 4 12" available for =A335 each in London today > - alas no box or "t" ) I have it. It's good but a little bland. My favorite track is "1187" -=20 it's the only one that I'd consider a decent tribute attempt. Kraftwelt's "Deranged in Space" CD is better IMHO. It's a bunch of mixes by= =20 various artists of a track called "Deranged". Some versions are quite good. It's also labelled as dedicated to R&F. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:36:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Kraftwerk, of course. :) Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche Mode, Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 09:08:30 +0200 From: oliver Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price >mmmh... this let me think about what people could say after 20-30 >years from now... what would they listen, and what would be their >musical motivations? I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. But thats my taste of music, so I would be OK with that. On the other hand, listening to drum & bass and looking at the progrss this music has, this could be cool too. But I expect all of this musical styles to be dead in 10 or 15 years. Again, on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound in 30 years. Will music, especially techno become harder , like breathe from Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, on acid and bpm like hell? No clue.... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:04:10 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Live forever > Please, God, if I am to die; let me do so just after Kraftwerk has released > a new album So, you're one of those people who want to live forever huh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:37 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Ra wrote: >Kraftwerk, of course. :) > >Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre,=20 >Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche = Mode,=20 >Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, = Chemical >Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. At last.....a man after my own heart!!! Some of the true great innovators in your list RA!!! Fortran 5.....superb! Autechre, now THAT's a great thought. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:29 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. 303@iname.com wrote: >...what about me? I've got a studio including several samplers, vintage >synthesizers & vocoders... >and I LOVE KW!!!!!! hehe. you don't count, you've got a TB303! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:21 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Adam Schefflan wrote: >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. I wouldn't choose anybody, but if I had no choice, hmmmm the decision would be quite difficult. I certainly would not choose Daft Punk (sorry FG) as I don't believe 'da hype' that surrounds them. I've seen 'em twice now and I really don't know what the fuss is about. sounds like disco muzak to me. nothing new. Well, I suppose I'd have to (*groan*) choose a real innovator such as Richard James or failing that at the last stretch maybe Liam Howlett. His Front 242 remixes were brilliant. Two brits, sorry! My patriotism rears it's ugly head again! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:34 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Adam Schefflan wrote: >The Chemical Brothers sounds really interesting, I have to agree; >infusing pounding break-beats on top of the plinkity-plinks. How about >Tricky? Peace. Not bad, not bad.......coming away from the hip-hop school.......Although I'b be wary of tricky's remixing, I suppose he would make an effective remix if it were a slow track such as 'ohm sweet ohm' or such. The Chemicals? Could be a cracker! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:18:55 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Oasiswerk?! > >> Please, God, if I am to die; let me do so just after Kraftwerk has released > >> a new album > >So, you're one of those people who want to live forever huh? > > hehehehe. Could you lot STOP putting oasis song titles in the > subject?? > > :-))) I hadn't noticed I was also doing that! It must be because they release new songs ... (Ralf take a hint! ;^) ). I wish KW would release a "SHAKERmaker" of a new album & lots of nice pics to hang on my "Wonderwall" & ... Oh, this is pointless... Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:32:09 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Oasiswerk?! Rui Inacio wrote: >I hadn't noticed I was also doing that! It must be because they release >new songs ... (Ralf take a hint! ;^) ). Do they? Oi, Ralf, NO! Oasis just keep releasing the SAME song, don't copy 'em! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 10:56:00 BST From: Surj Bami Subject: [none] >I CARE ! It's a large part of KW task to break new grounds. Every >time I go and see them live (and especially in 97) I DO NOT go to a >pilgrimage : I'm expecting new directions and new ideas for the next >10 years (even if I don't always agree with what they come up with). > If it's a large part of Kraftwerk to break new ground then surely fans >of Kraftwerk should try and do the same by seeking out today's future >music. It seems that this list concentrates on that which Kraftwerk >have no interest in: the past. Kraftwerk stood out at the time because >they were largely doing something musically new - their music and Oh now this, I just have to agree with - it's absolutely true. In all forms of art you will always get those that decry the present and look back to the past. It's very difficult to keep an objective view through one's own experience. Basically I have no time for 'prog rock' , I do just about remember it but it always reminds me of hairy beardy-weirdies playing 60 hour guitar solos for nothing other than their own macho fantasies. It's surprising that someone could put that amount of work into something just to sound shit. But hey ! Just my opinion that's all ( and the fact that it happens to be correct as well....:) ) As for older music - I will admit to Sakamoto's 'Riot in Lagos' being one of the things that struck me as 'different' - any one got a copy I can have ? I grew up loving the Beatles (although they split when I was 2 ) - any jangly guitar music was cool ( Sarah records, Talulah Gosh, Heavenly, Field Mice etc.) - then there was the noisier, Jesus & Mary Chain feedback aspect as well, and in all this time the nearest thing I really got to electronic music ( I thought Numan and his fans were just SAD SAD SAD - though now I guess some of his stuff is okay) was New Order / Talk Talk - who once I thought were the best band ever - genius ! Punk came and went. Yeah it was okay but most of the bands were crap. And they still are. And it changed nothing. Stuff like Can (I've heard very little) and some of that other experimental rubbish - yuck. Visage - more men should wear make-up, get in touch with your femininity you sad freaks ! Kings of the Wild Frontier was and is a great album. 'Dreaming of Me ' by Depeche Mode is an awesome tinkly little single - what you would call electronic music's answer to 'jangly' ? Androgeny was where it was at , and when I had a lot more hair (dyed bright blond), and was thinner and younger, putting on a dress and going clubbing was the best thing in the world ! I'd heard 'The Model' and was intrigued - here was a track that had all the tinkly bits I liked, but hey, there was something cold and odd about the German singing - the video was just cool beyond belief ! I like New Order's early minimalism but Computer World - wow! Numbers ? This was the bollocks even to me, someone who had laughed at electronic music but still listened to old skool Rap, Sugarhill Gang, Jekyll and Hyde, Treacherous 3, Funky 4 plus 1, moving onto Schooly D, BDP, Getto Boys etc. This was different to the 'Electro' records that lined my bedroom, the import LA Dream Team singles, the stuff I was playing on a pirate radio show (and then going home to listen to Dream Academy, Smiths, Fatal Charm and Icicle Works). And what about Home Computer ? My first thoughts - pile of dog's droppings, but there *was* something about those sounds that made me play the track over and over. I began to see, slowly that the whole thing was a concept, a feeling, a mood, not just the music - and one that was increasingly appealing..... Neon lights - an electronic track with melody, albeit to me quite a naive one, again a nice twee sound with off-tune singing. I wasn't sure if I liked it or not, but I still listen to it... Now ? Well, uplifting house, 'Frequencies' by LFO - I mean what a killer album -, Asian Dub Foundation, Fun-Da-Mental, Talvin Singh, Orbital - Drum and Bass, has changed all that. I still like guitar stuff, but have as much time for people like A Guy called Gerald (no, not Voodoo Ray), LTJ Bukem, Photek, Squarepusher, Autechre, LFO and of course Kraftwerk. And the other crowd ? The new Prodigy stuff, I think is shite - Alec Empire and Shizuo could do far better (Are Digital Hardcore Recordings easily available to any of you out there ? They're a bugger to find here ....). To end this mail (which really has rambled and has not much point at all) - when I heard Kraftwerk were playing Tribal Gathering my excitement was hard to contain. I wasn't going to go and see them, but the fact that they were 'back' was enough. Thinking back to Birmingham 1991 when I saw them and was blown away by the sheer variety in the audience - black b-boys mixing with pasty faced, freckly Numan fans mixing with hairy 70's fans mixing with people like me ! Still got my Autobahn T-shirt somewhere.... Oh! Nearly forgot - as it seems such a trendy thing to say on this list I was with my partner at the time as well (had to get that in...) and she really wasn't a big fan but by the end both of us thought it was superb. She probably doesn't even remember it (or me) now, but on that evening... And so to now - they have a 'new' track, some people think it's cool, some think it's rubbish. They have a web site some people think it's excellent, some think it's a turd. No big deal, the discussions will continue - and while they do, we know that Kraftwerk are still important.... Surj # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:49:22 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Linz There is a new site at http://www.posthof.at with a single mention of Kraftwerk and some details about the Posthof for german readers. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 11:31:00 BST From: Surj Bami Subject: [none] jbv wrote: > > Actually, there will be someone at the entrance of the Karlruhe gig > sitting at a small table and selling the new album. They borrowed a > few $$$ to some friends to press a limited serie of 1500. >Some of you asked me if this is serious info. Of course it is. >You know, it's quite hard for 50-something people to come back into >bizness after 7 years of silence. It's like they had to start a new >career. Who remembers them ? True, true - I'd heard that things got so bad recently that Ralf had taken to helping out the nearby Haagen Daas emporium. The result being that he is now seriously overweight and has upset the carefully controlled mass-allowed-per-individual setting in Kling Klang. Fears abound as to whether his obesity will split the group further, stay tuned. Surj # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:09:25 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : Endless discussions Surj Bami wrote : >In all forms of art you will always get those that decry the present >and look back to the past. It's very difficult to keep an objective >view through one's own experience. Sure. But at the same time, it's possible to go beyond personal experience and subjective love / hate feelings regarding an artist or any musical / artistic form. Analysis of the context, comparison with other contemporary or previous art forms, etchnological / sociological / political considerations, etc. are some possible ways to go. And sometimes I regret that this list lacks that kind of... should I say "perspective" ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:10:18 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Bootwerk/Legchoppers & Kraft inc. ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ > >and I LOVE KW!!!!!! > > hehe. you don't count, you've got a TB303! > > ciao, It's always nice to be flamed/ignored on a sunny tuesday... ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:11:24 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Adam Schefflan wrote: >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Hmmm... Orbital. As far as I can tell they've never done a bad mix. Jack Dangers. Too funky. Coil. Weird, but probably very cool. Haujobb. Again, never heard a bad Haujobb mix. Aphex Twin. Just fun, eh? Me. I'll do it! Alan Wilder. What little remixing he's done has been very cool. - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= By this time my lungs were aching for air. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:22:34 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Remixes If I had to choose folks to remix Kraftwerk tracks, I would probably narrow it down to this bunch of artists: Atom Heart, Autechre, Biosphere, The Black Dog, Mark Clifford, Coil, Jack Dangers, Alec Empire, Bruce Gilbert, Richard H Kirk, Mad Professor, John McEntire, Moby, Mouse On Mars, The Orb, Adrian Sherwood, Talvin Singh, Stereolab, Mika Vainio, and Luke Vibert. - -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "I'm writing an unathorized autobiography." - Steven Wright # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:02:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > >Others that might do a good job include The Art of Noise, Autechre, > >Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Techmaster PEB, Afrika Bambaataa, Depeche Mode, > >Fortran 5, The Grid, Kraftwelt, Psykosonik, Orbital, The Prodigy, Chemical > >Brothers, Pete Namlook, Beat Dominator, Simon Harris and maybe FSOL. > > At last.....a man after my own heart!!! Some of the true great > innovators in your list RA!!! Fortran 5.....superb! Autechre, now > THAT's a great thought. Indeed. Each of the artists I listed has done at least one track that I really really love. Most have done more. About Fortran 5 - I only have "Blues". Have they done anything else? I've never seen another F5 CD here. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:17:48 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Ra wrote: > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > >Afrika Bambaataa, reminds me on Sly&Robbie and Bill Laswell, and of course Lee Perry, but I didn´t ever accept him as such a genious as he was always told. reminds me also on the still unanswered question: is there a (known) Reggae-version of The Model? I´ve heard one years ago but I don´t remember anything about who made it or stuff. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (kw) Re: Album Price In a message dated 97-09-16 03:22:59 EDT, oliver_k@bigfoot.com writes: << Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, >> THIS IS HARD? Music will be a never ending mix much like pressing the random button on your cd player New and Retro sounds will be mashed into the music of choice I would think the concept of Drum n bass, Techno would be long gone even in five years due to the fact that it is pretty much dead now it's influnce and mark has been made Now it is mainstreem meat old and dated perfect for mass feeding In electronic music or advanced sound Arrangement (all Rec. music is electronic) you are only as good until your next output because of the vast changes (Tech&app) Steps each day are made in the shadows to move music on and away from the old the mainstreem takes steps on only when they know the path has been tred before. - -=Kraftwerk is one of the main units that has SPARKED the fire of modern music one in a few who knew the reality of music where it would end up As for todays Kraftwerk much of todays rules and factors cannot apply I wont go into it all now ...but they have a style they have carefully constructed sitll to this day A bit of old abit of new -the tron bit is cute- The rest of the world is one step behind because they KRAFTWERK took the first step fwd. They may not understand or ever want to understand todays Aphex twin or panasonic-(A very retro sound if you ask me) KraftWerk donot have to they are the fathers and the rest are Basterd children. when the new lp arrives todays greats will bow down before R & F and the ones who dont... never knew thier fathers Two farmers who planted the first few seeds in the electronic garden of sound The garden that shimmers and klangs ripps and shreds dances and sings Its a thinking and living Garden of sound Ground breaking or break danceing they need to Break nothing but the silence.......... Forgive my spelling : ( EQ - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: oliver_k@bigfoot.com (oliver) Sender: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com To: KRAFTWERK@xmission.com (Kraftwerk) Date: 97-09-16 03:22:59 EDT >mmmh... this let me think about what people could say after 20-30 >years from now... what would they listen, and what would be their >musical motivations? I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. But thats my taste of music, so I would be OK with that. On the other hand, listening to drum & bass and looking at the progrss this music has, this could be cool too. But I expect all of this musical styles to be dead in 10 or 15 years. Again, on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound in 30 years. Will music, especially techno become harder , like breathe from Prodigy or White Zombie, NIN, Ministry, on acid and bpm like hell? No clue.... 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