From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #144 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, September 17 1997 Volume 03 : Number 144 In this issue: (kw) What if... SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) Re: Album Price re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) time to stop! Re: (kw) time to stop! (kw) Re: for kwd (kw) Future music (kw) explanation about "mysterious" message (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? (kw) Karlsruhe News (kw) KW re-mixes? Re: (kw) Re: Album Price Re: (kw) Remixes Re: (kw) Karlsruhe News SV: (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? (kw) New album Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) time to stop! Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Re: Album Price (kw) Music 30 years from now... Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix (kw) Past & future of music Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwerk remix Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers (kw) re-re-remixes Re: (kw) re-re-remixes Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Re: (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix (kw) Aphex Twin and Kraftwerk (kw) RE-re-re-mix (kw) A bit of Light Relief!! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:59:09 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) What if... How about... having Orbital remixing KW tracks with something like "The Model" sung by Bjork? an extra long "Antenna" or "The hall of mirrors" version by Tricky building up the way he does live? Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:17:39 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ http://www.kraftwerk.com > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > I can only think of one group I would recommend: Hardfloor Has anyone heard their Blue Monday Remix? It's awsome :-) ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:16:53 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Re: Album Price >>> When I listen to stuff like "Selected Ambient Works (I and II)" by Aphex Twin, I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. <<< I couldn't agree more! There's something about the kid's music that gives it so much more than the average pop-oriented electronic music. I truly think AT's the only real successor to Kraftwerk's legacy, and not only dance-oriented music, but he also gives the other knob-twiddlers, such as Robert Rich, David Parsons, Steve Roach, Michael Stearns, and Vidna Obmana a run for their money, too. AT's on the cusp of a new musical revolution, and we're witnessing the first glimpses of what music might sound like 50 years from now. Pete Namlook remixing KW? Hmm, I always thought of him as a composer and sound designer, not a remixer, but it definitely sounds intriguing! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:34 +0100 (BST) From: Simon.O'Conmhaigh@fp.eureko.ie Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers author: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) >If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to >reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. complete the circle - get drexcyia to do it cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:36:50 +0100 From: Subject: (kw) time to stop! Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-thread? we are all just waiting for something good (or bad) that we know will reach= us=20 in a year or two -> be patient! //bengt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:55:38 +0200 From: Fer Subject: Re: (kw) time to stop! > Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-> thread? No!!!! We have to talk about something until they split!! I forgot to mention Mouse on Mars before... - -Fer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:11:33 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Re: for kwd Streuth, a week away and what a lot of activity on the list. Here's a megareply, by way of revenge... jbv wrote:- >Anything played once every 6 years at a high volume and in front of >a crowd of devoted fans will ALWAYS sound right. Nonsense. Pocket Calculator still didn't interest me much, and Autobahn still went on a bit! >In a sense, that's why musicians and mixing engineers always test >their mixes on cheap equipment (Auratones, etc.). If it sounds great >at a low volume on such cheap gear, it will sound even better on >high quality gear and at a high volume. You've mentioned enough names in your other posts to show you're aware of music in which sound creation is as important as melody or rhythm; surely you must agree that such music requires half-decent listening conditions before it can be assessed? Put another away: does _any_ of Kraftwerk's music sound 1/20th as good over your computer's tiny, tinny speaker? Doesn't on mine! jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) wrote:- >I read in the Musik special on the TG that it was approx 8,000 in the >Kraftwerk tent, including the overspill to the outside. The fact that >two other tents closed down during their set probably added to the >numbers trying the ancient art of 'sardines'. Very irresponsible of the organisers, IMO - & they didn't even put Kraftwerk in the main tent! jbv wrote:- >Even all the Human League stuff sounds horribly dated these days. I >listened to the first HM albums a couple of weeks ago and almost throwed >them to the bin. The only things that didnt piss me off were their >first 7 single and the 12 Dignity of labour. Oh, I only like the stuff they did as The Future, not that later stuff when they'd sold out. >:-) Seriously, apart from 'You've Lost that Loving Feeling' (which always was a waste of time) I think much of that stuff has aged pretty well. (How did anyone manage to come up with the magic of 'Empire State Human' with the technology of the time?! Hard work, I presume). Oliver Kess wrote:- >I saw Showbiz on CNN today, David Byrne was giving an interview, because = > >of the release of his new album. He had a showroo dummy with his face = I thought it was just a doll? No? Thanks to jbv for posting the interviews - There was actually some interesting stuff amongst Kraftwerk's customary superficial soundbites (they're not ones for dialogue, are they?). >A : The album always starts from a concept : =93Radioactivity=94 came fro= >m=20 >an idea that fascinated us for a long time, the concept of the radio and=20 >all the phenomenon of the airwaves, the transmission of any radio-active=20 >material. Huh? Eric Oehler wrote:- >And a big thanks to whoever brought up John Foxx! :) That would be Mr & Mrs Foxx. (Sorry). ROBOT@humboldt1.com wrote:- > > FAQs re: KRAFTWERK > Please note that "sun1" should be replaced with "web" in this URL (at the moment they refer to the same pages, but the "sun1" machine will be taken out of service soon). While you're visiting, why not have a look at _my_ list of Kraftwerk links too! ;-) jbv again:- >Subject: (kw) Musica Elettronica Viva >And BTW, does anyone remember them ? They used to play live electronics >inspired by free-jazz and with strong political convictions... I've only recently found one of their records. Must say I was disappointed: lots of uninspired improvisation but very little "elettronica"! Ivo Peeters wrote:- >> Seriously, (a bit of the topic here) could anyone recommend a TG CD? >> Not P-TV or C & C, but TG. >> > >For me, the best TG album is "20 jazz funk greats" (1979, rerelease on >CD in 1991, Mute TGCD 4). Also, "D.O.A. - The third and final report of >Throbbing Gristle" (1978, rerelease on CD 1991, Mute TGCD 3) is worth >listening. I'd go with '20 Jazz Funk Greats', and add 'Heathen Earth'. I feel somehow that there _should_ be a link between KW and TG, but maybe that's just bias... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:19:29 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Future music oliver wrote:- >I think, this is unpredictable. When I listen to stuff like >Selected Ambient Works (I and II) by Aphex Twin, >I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. I was very impressed by Vol. 2 (not vol. 1), but afterwards realised how much its plaintive, swooping drones sounded like Otto Luening and other pioneering electroacoustic composers. "There's nothing new under the sun"... If music reflects what it is to be human, then it'll change radically when humanity changes radically. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:19:55 -0300 From: "Colatina Radio Som Ltda." <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) explanation about "mysterious" message Hello, for all! I am brazilian radialist, fanatic for KRAFTWERK=B4s music. I send the "mysterious" message to the mail list, same days ago. Sorry for my mistake. This message was write in portuguese because I want contact with others brazilians fans (for CDs, videos, exchange or sale) The language is big problem for us, brazilians. One more time, sorry ... However, i love KRAFTWERK ! I hope you understand my feelings... Thanks for all. Eduardo Monteiro Radio 97 FM from Brasil =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:28:49 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? Just looked up the Aktivitat Collectors' Corner at Jose's site ( http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat/ccorner.htm ). What the...! That middle (or, if you prefer, "bottom") poster isn't quite Kraftwerk's image, is it! Astonishingly tasteless! The Genua poster appears to show Blaine Reininger (ex-Tuxedomoon) on support? Was this about the same time as he recorded 'Rolf [sic] & Florian Go Hawaiian'? (Used to own a copy, but it irritated me! Not one of his best...). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:32:15 +0200 (CES) From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe News Today, Dirk and I were at the ZKM here in Karlsruhe to seek for new informations, and a possibility to get some tickets for the concert. We talked to a guy we met two month ago there (an employee at the ZKM music department). He told us that even he hasn't got any tickets and Kraftwerk will have its own security crew, so it would be hard to get into the concert hall without a ticket, even if you are already in the ZKM building. Now something interesting: The guests mentioned at the ZKM web pages will be some DJ's, who spin before and after the concert. The Kraftwerk performance starts at ca. 22.00h. We have asked for a room that we could use for our mailing list meeting, but this seems to be quit difficult, because at the opening weekend, all rooms are needed and they can't make any exception. But I think it's no problem to find a place outside the building where we can meet us. Bye. - -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de - -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:27:17 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW re-mixes? I think PRODUKT01 said it best: -(If I read the header/sender correctly)- - -(SNIP)- > -=Kraftwerk is one of the main units that has SPARKED the fire of modern > music one in a few who knew the reality of music where it would end up > As for todays Kraftwerk much of todays rules and factors cannot apply I > wont go into it all now ...but they have a style they have carefully > constructed still to this day. A bit of old abit of new. > > The rest of the world is one step behind because they KRAFTWERK took the > first step fwd. - -(SNIP)- HEAR, HEAR!! Well said! 100% agreement! Ofcourse, if I'D said this same thing, I'd be called a FanatiK. So, I'm glad someone else said it FOR me! Okay, I like Kevorkian, and William Orbit's RADIOACTIVITY Hardcore Mix, and I've heard a few other good remixes of KW tunes by other Artists who respect them. -(Kevorkian worked WITH them, and I think Orbit had their blessing as well.)- I can even handle Souxie & The Banshees' cover of Hall of Mirrors. But, I don't like the idea of messing with perfeKtion. KRAFTWERK is KRAFTWERK. Nobody else has that particular VIBE. As much as I enjoy ALL types music, nothing else in the Universe gives me that same "oneness" that I get with KW. Words can't explain it. Other Artists can take long samples of KW tunes and do fun, interesting things with the songs in their basic original form, but, still, something vital and undefinable is lost somewhere in the proccess. Granted, I get a kick out of picking out KW tunes on my KORG, but, I could never consider recording my pitiful attempts to "copy" them. I do it for fun and practice, that's all. Otherwise, I compose my own stuff. Lame in comparison, to be sure, but, nevertheless totally original. It's funny- my own tunes sound more like Ray Lynch. sort of. Jarre, maybe? Silicon Teens? Even old Church Hymns. I can't shake my childhood days. Thanks, Mom. - -(Church pianist.)- I dunno. KW is my main thing, but, my own style is only vaguely similar to theirs. go figure. Songs simply materialize inside my brain and I try to get 'em to come out of my fingers into the SYNTH and out the amp. I'd rather plug in my brain directly and bypass all the bullshit. I hear entire symphonies with full orchestration & effects, but, I have almost ZER0 skills to actally play all the notes and do any fancy programming, etc. It's frustrating. Then again, it's always fun to let the SYNTH do it's own thing and see what comes out. Equal partnership, y'know. sorry. off on a tangent. Any composers out there? Email me. How do YOU come up with tunes? How do you get the tune from brain to loudspeaker so others can hear what YOU hear inside your head? Or do you just set it up, kick back, let the machines run free? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:20:42 +0200 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price At 21:35 15-09-97 -0700, you wrote: >Can any of you get me info on a good place to get KW bootleg CD's? >I promise to keep the information confidential if it needs to be. I used to buy all of my KW bootlegsd from him. Try this: (ask for Rene, the owner, and call my name: Dolf 'kraftwerk fan') Playland Records Langegeer 72 2611 PW Delft the Netherlands tel.fax: int +31 15 2135024 0000,0000,8080Dolf 0000,8080,8080 / / Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / twingo@xs4all.nl, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:54:00 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Remixes Ok, my remixers: Moby Chemical Brothers Stealth Sonic Orchestra Flood Brian Eno Nine Inch Nails Perfecto The KLF/JAMMS/K2/K Foundation and last, but never least, Underworld. ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:38:21 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe News Harald Westphal wrote: > > We have asked for a room that we could use for our mailing list meeting, but > this seems to be quit difficult, because at the opening weekend, all rooms > are needed and they can't make any exception. But I think it's no problem to > find a place outside the building where we can meet us. > What about the parking lot ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:57:15 +0200 From: "303@iname.com" <303@bigfoot.com> Subject: SV: (kw) Does driving on the Autobahn feel like this? ®0|áÑð †b­ 303@iname.com T‡é Ù|†¡màtë Ðâñçêmª©h¡ñË™ > What the...! That > middle (or, if you prefer, "bottom") poster isn't quite Kraftwerk's image, > is it! I agree! - Haven't ever seen so ugly feet on a chick... ///Charlie Crash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:51:35 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) New album There is no truth to the rumor that KW have scrapped their new album in favor of a collaborative project with Heino. However, Ralf and Florian were unavailable for comment. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:03:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Thorsten Dowe wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > =20 > >Afrika Bambaataa,=20 >=20 > reminds me on Sly&Robbie and Bill Laswell, and of course Lee Perry, but Bill is the only one of those I've heard, and not much even then.=20 > I didn=B4t ever accept him as such a genious as he was always told. Bambaataa? I wouldn't call him a genius by a long shot, but I think he=20 has a certain amount of remixing ability and he has my gratitude for=20 doing Planet Rock. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:10:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, 303@iname.com wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > I can only think of one group I would recommend: > Hardfloor They're excellent, but I didn't think they'd be good at remixing. Plus they're very different from KW. > Has anyone heard their Blue Monday Remix? Nope, but I'm attempting to find another Hardfloor album. Maybe I'll get lucky and find the one with that on it. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) time to stop! On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 bs.lovepac@nolato.se wrote: > Is it not the time to stop this remixed-by-blah-blah-thread? Certainly not. It's a small thread, an interesting one and it's not like we have much else to talk about. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I for one think it's one of the more interesting threads in the last few months. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:12:01 -0400 From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Adam Schefflan wrote: > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > Nice thought !!! My favourites: Carl Craig Howie B. Roni Size Franckie Knuckles Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:17:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Album Price On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > >>> When I listen to stuff like "Selected Ambient Works (I and II)" by > Aphex Twin, > I sometimes think this could be a glimpse of future music. <<< > > I couldn't agree more! There's something about the kid's music that gives > it so much more than the average pop-oriented electronic music. I truly > think AT's the only real successor to Kraftwerk's legacy, and not only I don't understand this. Yes, Aphex is good. Yes, Aphex is different. But I don't see the connection. He doesn't seem to be KW-influenced at all from what I've heard. If you're saying that because Aphex made up his own unique direction to follow, then I guess I could agree. > revolution, and we're witnessing the first glimpses of what music might > sound like 50 years from now. I think it's totally impossible to predict what music will be like even 15 years from now, let alone 50. If you could travel back in time to the era of Tone Float and play some Aphex, Namlook and Hardfloor to R&F, what do you think they'd say? > Pete Namlook remixing KW? Hmm, I always thought of him as a composer and > sound designer, not a remixer, but it definitely sounds intriguing! He is, but he's produced some music evocative of KW. Most notably "Machine Atoms" on his album "Atom". /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:54:44 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Music 30 years from now... oliver wrote: >on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound >in 30 years. In 30 years we'll be going through a techno/rave nostalgia fad! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:17:09 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, or Philip Glass. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:12:09 +0200 From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix I'd love Klaus Wunderlich doing KW-mixing... "sound lobotomy, for you and me..." - -- ********************************************************************* * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:wilhelm@ts.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:01:20 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Past & future of music Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com wrote: > > Adam Schefflan wrote: > > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > > Nice thought !!! My favourites: > > Carl Craig... > Speaking of Carl Craig, did anyone notice how close his album "Landcruising" was from an album released by a german band named "Die Partei" (Tom Dokoupil + Walter Dahn) in 1981 ? I don't mean Craig copied them, I rather think it's pure coincidence. But it's quite funny to see how different times & places can give birth to similar music... And IMHO the above mentioned album of Die Partei was far much better than Computer World (but this is off-topic...) oliver wrote: >on the other hand, I can not imagine how music will sound >in 30 years. If you want to get idea of music in 30 years from now, imagine what kind of technology we'll have at that time. I always thought that technology shapes artforms, especially music. Samplers brough rap & techno. Those bands from the late 60s & early 70s used to play such lousy improvisations mainly because sync was unavailable (no MIDI time code, no SMPTE...). I KNOW ! SMPTE was already around, but still used by the film industry only. And YES, I KNOW : it was possible to sync different gear with trigger and clock signals, but nothing was normalized, and when it was getting too complex, it used to drive people nuts. Marco wrote : >In 30 years we'll be going through a techno/rave nostalgia fad! Or may be a ToneFloat nostalgia... ;-) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:03:37 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Jon Alsbury wrote: > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. > > i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, > or Philip Glass. > YES, an orchestral version of Metal on Metal by Philip Glass ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:09:20 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk remix Jon Alsbury wrote: > > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. It's funny, but I think nobody mentionned Jeff Mills... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:49:14 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. I bet Spooky (the duo from UK, *not* the DJ) could do a wicked remix of Trans Europa Express... (think of Metall auf Metall!) Peace, too. tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:11:11 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers >> i'd like to hear interpretations of Kraftwerk music from Michael Nyman, >> or Philip Glass. >> > >YES, an orchestral version of Metal on Metal by Philip Glass ! YESus... and finally a dream house piano version by Robert Miles, hehe... Take that, esotericans! Honestly I think the Balanescu interpretations were already enough from that 'serious' corner. Rather Friedrich Gulda should do something with Kraftwerk's music, but unfortunately I don't know if he is still with us...? And what is with Andreas Dorau / Pyrolator / Der Plan? Probably not serious enough, although I still believe Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider *do* have a lot more sense of humor than most of their fans... Do the (austrian) readers agree with me that Erdem Tunakan also has a gorgeous potential to do some Kraftwerk remix stuff? I once heard him at a Viennese club (the Flex) and he was heavy into some wicked electronic stuff... Regards, tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:13:22 +0100 From: Subject: (kw) re-re-remixes Hello! Instead of remixes why not re-makes? Has anyone already suggested that Laibach could make some good=20 military-influensed march music from anything by KW? (As we all know their=20 interpretation of Beatles and Opus was something else!!) "Sympathy for the devil" by Rolling Stones and "Across the universe" by Bea= tles=20 are some of the best Laibach recordings!!!!!! =3DTRUE! /A. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:41:23 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) re-re-remixes wrote: >Instead of remixes why not re-makes? Because it's been done so many times. KW Re-mixes by Famous artists (not twatty bootleggers) are rarer. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:41:13 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk / Bootleggers Tobi wrote: >I bet Spooky (the duo from UK, *not* the DJ) could do a wicked remix of >Trans Europa Express... (think of Metall auf Metall!) YEAH! that could be pretty good. Spooky have a way with unusual sounds, and are true innovators. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 12:19:54 +0200 From: oliver Subject: Re: (kw) re:re:re:re:re:re:remix To include my 2 cents on that: The Residents reworked ( as I would call it) a lot of music in their strange secret career: They did the rolling stones, james brown, elvis and of course the great Hank Williams (IMO). i would like them to do some Kraftwerk reworks. Only problem could be, that they are focussed on american history of music. Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 12:20:00 +0200 From: oliver Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin and Kraftwerk Some of you replied on my message concering future music and Kraftwerk and Aphex Twin. No, I dont see any relations between those two. I expect synthetic music to have grown, without Kraftwerk too (come on, flame me for that). Aphex Twin, Polygon Window or however he calls himself now, has developed his own great sound, I dont like his new stuff, too hectic, in a way irretating and psychotic, but his old stuff is great to listen too. (I mean listening, not making a party and have it as muzak) Although I have written some months ago that Techno needed Kraftwerk, I expect a sound like techno would have grown without them too, maybe later, maybe it would sound slightly different. I think, for example, the 303 bassmachine would be used in the same way today, without Kraftwerk. The synths are availbale and their technology does imply, fiddling around with them, making strange sounds, modulatimg this and route this through effect processors. I dont believe, that all of this started, because Kraftwerk did this... Before you flame me to death, let me state one other thing too: The music of the seventies and eighties, in the way I grew up, would have been a lot poorer if Kraftwerk had not existed! regards to all Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:06:11 +0200 From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: (kw) RE-re-re-mix > > If you could have anybody remix KW tracks, who would you enlist to > > reconstruct/desecrate the classics? Peace. Oh, I think Francois Kevorkian could do some nice things to Kraftwerk's work. Ideally I'd like to hear him do a remix of "Tour de France". And I'm sure William Orbit could turn the Mix-version of "Radioactivity" into a real killer! ;-) Conny F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:33:02 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: (kw) A bit of Light Relief!! Okay Werkaholics, Here's some 'pro-electronic' jokes for your delectation:- Q: What's the difference between a drummer and a drum-box? A: You only have to punch things into a drum-box once. Q: What's the difference between a guitarist and a runaway train? A: Eventually, the train will stop. There was the guitarist who locked his keys in his car. He had to break the window to get his drummer out. Q: Why do bands have a bass player? A: To translate for the drummer. Q: How do you make a guitarist stop playing? A: Put a sheet of music in front of him. Q: What do you do when a drummer is knocking at your front door? A: Give him the money and take the pizza Q: What do a tornado, hurricane, and drum solo all have in common? A: You can see 'em coming, but there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. =46lames to the usual place...... ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #144 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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