From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #148 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, September 24 1997 Volume 03 : Number 148 In this issue: Re: (kw) new album: no news from Italy (kw) EMI remastered recordings Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering (kw) Tribal Gatering on C5 (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity Re: (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity (kw) we are models and we look so good... Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Article at Posthof Web-Server #2 Re: (kw) Fw: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links Li (kw) EMI remastered recordings (off-topic) (kw) Speech from hell... Re: (kw) we are models and we look so good... (kw) re speech from hell (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) CD-bootleg auction (kw) "Kraut 2000" Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! (kw) Digital or Analog Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) robotic speech (kw) Hi, addition to the list RE: (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) re speech from hell See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:10:13 -0100 From: Virgo/Ae Subject: Re: (kw) new album: no news from Italy lbo@pop3.iol.it wrote: > yes, a guy from Emi Italia told them that maybe in october they will > know something. they will be visited in early october by the Emi I > agent and they will place their orders on the catalogue he will > submit them. I had quite same answer in a store here (i'm from Verona, northern Italy) just last saturday and the guy, who told me that, seemed to be quite sure that EMI will release it in october (like having read it on some sort of next-releases list). I really don't know if we should believe this, but it is worth waiting other 2 weeks, however.... cya. p.z.: during next days I'm going to visit a couple of more music shops. I'd like to get a better confirmation. - -- - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -=< Virgo.Ae@MindlesS.CoM >=- - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:22:51 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) EMI remastered recordings >> >> Apparently the double CD reissues have been put on hold, Ralf was very >> unhappy with the packaging (a box set with an 'celebration of EMI' book >> that didn't even feature the werk!) and it probably will not be released >> at all now. >> >> I also heard the new track in full, it's much better than the excerpt >> released on the official site, and deserves to be heard in full. >> >> Sorry, Mark. >> - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:49:42 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering > Before I shell out hard earned pennies to get it shipped to the US did > anyone see this programme ? Dear Phil, don't bother paying for this - it's not worth it! There was about 10 seconds of Kraftwerk in concert, but only featuring the crowd - no shots of the group themselves. There was also a (very) brief section introducing the groups manager and UK agent complaining about the lack of facilities at the site. Save your cash for the new album ;-) all the best, Jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:02:09 -0700 From: "Phil Fegan" Subject: (kw) Tribal Gatering on C5 Thanks to all of you who advised me to save my money and not buy the video of the Channel 5 programme. I must admit I would have been a little surprised if KW had allowed filming of the gig by a tv crew, it's not a very werkish thing to do is it. Thanks again, I'm going to put the money into a savings account and use it when the new album come out. Oh and with the interest accrued over the years untill the album eventually reaches the shelves maybe buy a yacht! Phil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 22:10:07 PDT From: Robert Simonsen Subject: (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity Hi there. I have just subscribed to the Kraftwerk mailinglist, (THANX TO = Jules Seifert!!)and there are alot of questions in my mind about KRAFTWER= K. One question I have wondered very much about is what synthezisers did = they use on "Radioactivity" and "Computer World". The sounds on those two= albums are so rare, that at least I haven`t heard enyone else use sounds= like that, except when other bands use KRAFTWERK`s samples. So if you = know what synthezisers they used... Reply me on this one. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:52:20 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity Robert Simonsen wrote: > I have wondered very much about is what synthezisers did they use on > "Radioactivity" and "Computer World". The sounds on those two albums > are so rare, that at least I haven`t heard enyone else use sounds like > that, except when other bands use KRAFTWERK`s samples. So if you know > what synthezisers they used... Recently identified is the Vako Orchestron which played the choir and string sounds on R and TEE. Autobahn period synths include: Minimoog ARP Odyssey EMS AKS and a list I had in the archive: >This is a list of things that were present in Kraftwerk's Kling Klang studio during the Computerworld tour of 1981. Note that it's a pre-midi and mainly analogue setup. This list is probably not complete at all. Huetter: - - Two analogue sequencers, producing up to 64 notes. A sequence can run as 1x64, or 2x32 in parallel. This is a custom-built device. - - Roland MC8 microcomposer with expanded memory, plus a bank of switches for routing signals. - - Eventide Digital Delay and Flanger - - Synthi VCS3 - - Prophet 5 - - Polymoog - - Minimoog - - light-disc instrument for playing mono choir sounds, which "was built in Florida". Bartos: - - Korg PS-3300 polyphonic synthesizer, "used for it's ability to merge harmonic with 'non-related' overtones, and it's parameters stretch attack and decay times to their limits". Fluer: - - Custom built drum machine. With 6 rows of switches, each row has it's own sound, that can be pulsed on when a switch is set. Pedals are used to give accents. - - Syndrum Schneider: - - Electronic flute - - Sennheiser vocoder - - EMS vocoder and patch panel - - Prophet polyphonic synthesizer - - Various filtering devices - - Equalizers, also parametric ones - - Mixers - - Eventide Harmonizer, Delay and Limiter/Compressor # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:59:41 +0000 From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: (kw) we are models and we look so good... hi listies, a lot of us have pages about K or ourselves. ManMachn2@aol.com (Jason) visited mine (and me his one), where, apart other things, you could see pics of ourselves. so we said ourselves, why usually don't people put their faces on their pages? it would be a sort of virtual meeting... for instance I must say that I figured myself Tiger Moses to be something like a huge big black hiphop gangsta, while he is a reassuring father of a nice young girl... :-) - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:34:28 +0000 From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Article at Posthof Web-Server #2 > I was just wondering if Cabaret Voltaire (also listed) can be considered > as "KW followers"... They actually started in 1974, and used electric > guitars (at least at the beginning)... > > In the same way, could Suicide (not listed) be considered as KW > followers ? (they also started in 74)... I don't think Suicide, my other most-influential group, were ever aware of Kraftwerk and viceversa. they have some similarity in the approach to the electronic instrument as tools to make music, but they differ in so many things... Cabaret Voltaire, instead, could have listened to Kraftwerk... - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:34:29 +0000 From: lbo@pop3.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Fw: KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Updated Links Li > > O Trabalho" - 21 anos - or in english "The Work" - 21 years, or even > > "Werk", a party based on Kraftwerk and Trisomie 21 songs, more well, for the new album release party they could call Current 93 or 10.000 Maniacs, who know... :-) - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:54:06 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) EMI remastered recordings (off-topic) Speaking of EMI, and if you like Arab pop, EMI Arabia has done a boffo job remastering its older recordings, especially those from the Alam El Phan and Sotelphan labels. I just picked up "Fein Ayamak" by Warda (0946 3 10665 2 8 or E2-10665), and it's terrific. There are many other artists as well. Doesn't the practice of "bumping" release dates make you sick? I mean, they've been promising a new KW album since January 29, and there's still nothing to show for it except an appearance at TG '97! Finally, Scott B. (a fellow New Yorker) raised an interesting issue by telling us his age. Are there many US Kraftwerk fans in their early 20s? Are they a Generation X icon, just retro, or nearly unheard of in that demographic? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:19:30 PDT From: "Roland Tb303" Subject: (kw) Speech from hell... >a list of things that were present in Kraftwerk's Kling Klang >>studio during the Computerworld tour of 1981. Note that it's a pre-midi >>and mainly analogue setup. > Now I'm really getting interrested! 'cos I'm a BIG freak of synthesizers. I've been into vocoders for a LONG time and I've got the Doepfer A-100 - It's very OK but not as nasty cold as KW's stuff. Have anybody got an idea of what piece of device is making the "Tjernobyl, Sellafield etc" words on the mix? My guess would be a very powerful computervoice-program or a HELL of a vocoder :) If anybody knows the whereabout of any killer PC-speach program - Please mail me! KW's really got the ultimate synthesized vocals - Never heard anything even remotely close to that power and brightness! C.Crash 303@iname.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:17:04 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) we are models and we look so good... lbo@pop3.iol.it wrote: >for instance I must say that I figured myself Tiger Moses to be=20 >something like a huge big black hiphop gangsta, while he is a=20 >reassuring father of a nice young girl... :-) Well said, although a few of the pages I have checked out have in fact links to the owners' profile and picture. I agree though, it would be great to put names to faces on a more wide scale, maybe even a mail listies page containing one image per person!!! BTW, is your face normally that shape!!! Anyone who wants to see a mugshot of me, go to: http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert Be warned, it's not pretty, and its under construction. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:58:04 PDT From: "Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe" Subject: (kw) re speech from hell Well, I am not quite sure wether I am right or not, but I also asked myself, how KW created those strange speeches and I came to the conclusion that they sampled the single letters of the alphabet and put them together to those speeches afterwards. At least, I got comparable results using short letter-samples... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 12:09:00 BST From: Surj Bami Subject: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! Hi again all Just wondering what the score was on Kraftwerk and copyrighting ? There seems to be a lot of material re-mixed and re-gurgitated flying around , I can imagine what would happen if something like that happened to a band like Oasis. Are those lovable Krafties strict on their copyrighting policies ? It seems to me that the only way they can carry on cycling, eating ice creams, and employing 'sound engineers' must be if they get paid hefty sums of cash in royalties. For example MTV using a portion of 'Musique Non Stop' as the theme to one of their programs ? Surely that's gotta be worth something. Does anyone know of any court cases involving people ripping off Kraftwerk ? Where else would all the money come from for all their Chimano gear ???? Or are they really big little rich kids ?? Surj # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:08:25 PDT From: "Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe" Subject: (kw) Any court cases? The only one, I have heard of, is the one of the early 80s. Africa Bambataa was one of the first to find out that Kraftwerk really rocks, that's why he sampled from Trans-Europa-Express (and I think from Computerwelt, too). He mixed it and Kraftwerk earned a lot of disrespect coz they went to the court. To be heard on Africa Bambataa's "Planet Rock". ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:25:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? >The only one, I have heard of, is the one of the early 80s. Africa >Bambataa was one of the first to find out that Kraftwerk really rocks, >that's why he sampled from Trans-Europa-Express (and I think from >Computerwelt, too). He mixed it and Kraftwerk earned a lot of disrespect >coz they went to the court. To be heard on Africa Bambataa's "Planet >Rock". Yes, Bambataa took the lead string tune from "Trans-Europe Express" and put it over the rhythmic beat from "Numbers", and that combination added to Bambataa's rap produced the emergence of what he called "electro-funk". I'm sure there have been other cases where KW had to step in with some legal action to protect their material seeing as how they've been called the 2nd most sampled artists apart from James Brown. Perhaps other cases were on a smaller scale and not publicized as widely. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:30:36 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Perhaps other cases were on a >smaller scale and not publicized as widely. The only other I can think of is the successfully case against the original www.kraftwerk.com, which was won by R&F in order to set up their 'fantastic' web site! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:41:53 +0200 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) CD-bootleg auction In message ID <342668F3.17BA@post3.tele.dk> on 22.09.97,=20 coc@post3.tele.dk (Carl-Ove) wrote:=20 >Hi!=20 >=20 >Several has asked for more info regarding the booties:=20 >=20 >Computer Tour, utrecht and bristol 1981, DIYE 56(English)=20 >=20 >Computers in love (2cd), belgium 1981, skeleton songs (English)=20 >=20 >Non stop (2cd), stockholm 1991, gema, mx7003-a, (English)=20 >=20 >N1 to Z=FCrich, live in Z=FCrich 1991, cham 1-9300 (German)=20 > =20 >In concert 1975, live in cologne 1975, super golden radioshows, sgrs=20 >records (German)=20 >=20 >Rebuilt in ninetytwo (2cd's), d=FCsseldorf 10-31-91, interscope=20 (German)=20 >=20 >Heute Abend (2cd), several cities across UK in 1991, deep records 021=20 >(English)=20 >=20 >Hope this helps :)=20 =20 =B0=B0Hello Carl-Ove =20 =20 =B0=B0Yes! It helped. Thank you for this information.=20 =B0=B0An other Question: Is the auction still going on, or have i=20 missed it?=20 =B0=B0Cause i would like to have some of the Cd=B4s (of cours ALL, but=20 I=B4m not sure=20 =B0=B0to be rich enough) but I have never tried to get stuff in this=20 way...=20 =B0=B0Anyway, would you sell all together for a "fixed price?" (Did you=20 say US$ or UK-Pound?)=20 >-- =20 >Yours=20 >=20 >"Good boy from the outside of town"=20 =B0=B0Regards=20 =B0=B0Josef=20 =20 =20 =20 - - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:32:23 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Kraut 2000" Yamo's "Stereomatic" is featured on the new 2-CD sampler "Kraut 2000. In search of a new planet" (PolyGram 553968-2). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:25:40 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > Yes, Bambataa took the lead string tune from "Trans-Europe Express" > and put it over the rhythmic beat from "Numbers" > I'm sure there have been other cases where KW had to step in with some legal > action to protect their material > Perhaps other cases were on a smaller scale and not publicized as widely. But was the Bambaataa case itself ever really publicized, or is it possible that the whole story about Kraftwerk sueing Bambaataa is just a myth? Does anyone know the date, court and reference number for this lawsuit? Jules Seifert wrote: > The only other I can think of is the successfully case against the > original www.kraftwerk.com, which was won by R&F in order to set up > their 'fantastic' web site! Kraftwerk haven't really won this case in a strictly legal sense, AFAIK. It seems that the whole affair ended with a compromise between Kraftwerk and the original domain holder. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:45:46 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Jules Seifert wrote: > > The only other I can think of is the successfully case against the > original www.kraftwerk.com, which was won by R&F in order to set up > their 'fantastic' web site! > I think that we all list members should sue R&F for canceling the previous (and promising) www.kraftwerk.com and for replacing it by a complete piece of crap. May be they should be forced to issue a new album in order to be able to pay the fine... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:19:38 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Klaus Zaepke wrote: >Kraftwerk haven't really won this case in a strictly legal sense, AFAIK.= =20 >It seems that the whole affair ended with a compromise between Kraftwerk= =20 >and the original domain holder. > Do you have any details Klaus, I would be interested to hear what the compromise was, as from where we are standing, it appears that KW won that suit, with the domain now being run by their representatives (apparently) ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:33:58 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? jbv wrote: >May be they should be forced to issue a new album in order to be able >to pay the fine... > hehee. Seriously, it must be said that KW do not seem to treat copyright issues as harshly as other acts of today. Maybe this is because that most kw sampling is not blatant ripping off from the originals, merely phrases and snippets. This compared with say Oasis, who are closing down unofficial fan sites is the opposite end of the scale. And Oasis claim they are working class heroes, *tsk-tsk* I'm English, proud of it and our music, but they make me wanna PUKE!=20 ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:32:42 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? > >Kraftwerk haven't really won this case in a strictly legal sense, AFAIK. > >It seems that the whole affair ended with a compromise between Kraftwerk > >and the original domain holder. > > Do you have any details Klaus, I would be interested to hear what the > compromise was, as from where we are standing, it appears that KW won > that suit, with the domain now being run by their representatives > (apparently) The compromise was that the MACup company (the original domain holder) gave up the rights for the domain name without further legal struggle, while Kraftwerk gave up their claim for damages in return. (It seemed that Kraftwerk wanted to get the domain rights as soon as possible, hence their willingness to accept this compromise.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:19:44 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Why? AB simply lifted huge minute long portions of the track and rapped on top without crediting the 'werk... Simply put that type of sampling is more like theft with a minimal creative input. Mark >He mixed it and Kraftwerk earned a lot of disrespect >coz they went to the court. To be heard on Africa Bambataa's "Planet >Rock". - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:17:49 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! The version of "Musique Non Stop" used by MTV is, in fact, as far as I can tell, a totally new recording comissioned by MTV. Why Kwwould choose MTV as a forum for new material and do juingles, I've never understood though. Kraftwerk, do apparently, have a shit-hot german lawyer to vet all possible sample steals. One example is the KLF's "What Time Is Love" 7" which features a sample of loops from "Home Computer". According to a 1991 interview the lawyer analysed what percentage of the song the sample comprised (about 2% of the track in total), then did a royalty calculation and configured it wasn't worth suing. However, the LP mix of "What Time Is Love" doesn't feature the sampels at all, possibly on the advice of a Dusseldorfian. I think Ralfs opinion is that sampling of sound sis OK unless they are uniquely Kraftwerkian, e.g. vocoded vocals, sound effects, bass slaps (Tour De France, for example).... However I was listening to A Justified Ancients of Mu Mu track from "WHo Killed The jamms?" which features a hefty sampling of the metal percussion from "metal On Metal" last week... Mark - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 00:33:31 PDT From: Robert Simonsen Subject: (kw) Digital or Analog Greetings all Kraftwerk fans!!!!! Does anyone know if KRAFTWERK will make digital music like THE MIX or perhaps go back to the good old analogue synthezisers when they now are creating a new masterpiece??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:09:57 +0000 From: lbo@jolly.iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? > This compared with say Oasis, who are closing down unofficial fan > sites is the opposite end of the scale. And Oasis claim they are wait until it turn back against them like it happened with the unofficial sites dedicated so Star Trek Paramount forced to close, and then "allowed" to reopen because people was so angry with them. - ---------------- lbo@iol.it http://users.iol.it/lbo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:12:51 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? >>> Why? AB simply lifted huge minute long portions of the track and rapped on top without crediting the 'werk... Simply put that type of sampling is more like theft with a minimal creative input. <<< For the ZILLIONTH time, Arthur Baker and John Robie, the musicians who constructed the "Planet Rock" track, played the KW-written passage on their own equipment--THEY DID NOT SAMPLE THE PASSAGE DIRECTLY. The technology for sampling exactly from the source was not available yet! Also, Hutter, Schneider, and Schult share writing and publishing credits with Baker, Robie, Bambaataa, and the Soulsonic Force (Bam, Mr. Biggs, MC G.L.O.B.E., Pow Wow, and DJ Jazzy Jay). If you know the song, the KW passage is only a small fraction of all the music. What you refer to above has been called "designer" sampling, of which Puffy is the most guilty of. You have to admit, however, that Faith's singing's much better than Sting's. Why? 'Cause it's got SOUL. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 00:44:19 PDT From: Robert Simonsen Subject: Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! >Kraftwerk, do apparently, have a shit-hot german lawyer to vet all >possible sample steals. One example is the KLF's "What Time Is >Love" 7" >which features a sample of loops from "Home Computer". According >to a >1991 interview the lawyer analysed what percentage of the song the >sample comprised (about 2% of the track in total), then did a royalty >calculation and configured it wasn't worth suing. However, the LP mix >of >"What Time Is Love" doesn't feature the sampels at all, possibly on >the >advice of a Dusseldorfian. >I think Ralfs opinion is that sampling of sound sis OK unless they are >uniquely Kraftwerkian, e.g. vocoded vocals, sound effects, bass >slaps >(Tour De France, for example).... >>However I was listening to A Justified Ancients of Mu Mu track from >>"WHo >>Killed The jamms?" which features a hefty sampling of the metal >>percussion from "metal On Metal" last week... You should also listen to 2LIVE-CREW....Their music is BASED on KRAFTWERK samples. All their songs I think. If Kraftwerk`s lawyer or Kraftwerk themselves could have listened to their (rather shitty) songs, they would probably fly over to the US and killed the band..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:08:33 -0400 (EDT) From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: (kw) robotic speech In a message dated 97-09-24 00:36:03 EDT, you write: << KW's really got the ultimate synthesized vocals - Never heard anything even remotely close to that power and brightness! >> In most of "computer world", the vocals and some of the melodies are from a toy from the late 70's early 80's, I belive it was called a Mr. Spell. You could type in the word you wanted to make it say, and it would say it..Like in "computer world" (song) where they say "money", "business", "communication", etc.. that's a mr. spell.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:05:17 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech EJRSemiGod@aol.com wrote: > > > In most of "computer world", the vocals and some of the melodies are from a > toy from the late 70's early 80's, I belive it was called a Mr. Spell. You > could type in the word you wanted to make it say, and it would say it..Like > in "computer world" (song) where they say "money", "business", > "communication", etc.. > that's a mr. spell.. > Something similar was also available on the Apple II, AFAIR... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:06:13 PDT From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:08:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com >To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >Subject: (kw) robotic speech > > >In a message dated 97-09-24 00:36:03 EDT, you write: > ><< > KW's really got the ultimate synthesized vocals - Never heard anything > even remotely close to that power and brightness! > > >> > >In most of "computer world", the vocals and some of the melodies are from a >toy from the late 70's early 80's, I belive it was called a Mr. Spell. You >could type in the word you wanted to make it say, and it would say it..Like >in "computer world" (song) where they say "money", "business", >"communication", etc.. >that's a mr. spell... It was call a Speak and Spell. I still have on from my childhood years. When I compaired the Speak and Spell to the "money", "business", "communication", etc.. on Computer World, they were exactly the same. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:12:27 -0700 From: Mark Tomas Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech EJRSemiGod@aol.com wrote: >In most of "computer world", the vocals and some of the melodies are from a >toy from the late 70's early 80's, I belive it was called a Mr. Spell. You I had one of these, called a Speak and Spell. It was an orange plasic thing, about the size of a notebook, with a keyboard and a small display. It would say a word, and you were supposed to type it out. It let you know if you spelled it right. Adam Schefflan wrote: >Finally, Scott B. (a fellow New Yorker) raised an interesting issue by >telling us his age. Are there many US Kraftwerk fans in their early 20s? Well, I'm 20 and live in Idaho. I had a tape with part of Computer World that my uncle had made for me a few years ago, but never found the actual album in a store until last year. >Are they a Generation X icon, just retro, or nearly unheard of in that >demographic? Peace. Pretty much unheard of. A friend had heard of them because his dad has a Autobahn record, but no one else knows who they are. The only Kraftwerk CD in the stores around here is The Mix... Mark Tomas, KB7YLF. - -- mailto:toma9567@uidaho.edu - -- http://www.uidaho.edu/~toma9567/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:10:58 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech At 19:08 1997-09-24 -0400, EJRSemiGod@aol.com wrote: >In most of "computer world", the vocals and some of the melodies are from a >toy from the late 70's early 80's, I belive it was called a Mr. Spell. You >could type in the word you wanted to make it say, and it would say it..Like >in "computer world" (song) where they say "money", "business", >"communication", etc.. >that's a mr. spell.. How about the german vocals??.. Was there a Herr Buchstabieren?? ;P One nice speech program for Atari called "ST-Speech".. It was used by U96's in Das Boot for it's vocals on "Daas booot" and "Maximum velocity" and stuff. But you did know that.. maybe.. //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:54:26 -0300 From: Marcos Tarquiano Vicente Subject: (kw) Hi, addition to the list Hi, I'm Marcos Vicente from Autobahn Project and I'd like to get addition to maillist Marcos Vicente mvicente@bn.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:51:51 -0400 From: Joel Provost Subject: RE: (kw) robotic speech The speak and spell was a product made by Texas Instruments. Texas Instruments came out with a voice synthesizer chip that they released back then. It was used in a lot of products including some computers. They all sounded alike. It seems whatever Kraftwerk was using to make those voices, it was based on the TI chip. Joel jprovost@shadow.net http://www.shadow.net/~jprovost # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:32:01 +0100 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) re speech from hell Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe wrote: > Well, I am not quite sure wether I am right or not, but I also asked > myself, how KW created those strange speeches and I came to the > conclusion that they sampled the single letters of the alphabet and > put them together to those speeches afterwards. At least, I got > comparable results using short letter-samples... Bartos has confessed that this was indeed the method they commonly used in a Future Technology interview. That was how the vocoded robot vocals on the Esperanto album were put together. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #148 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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