From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #149 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Friday, September 26 1997 Volume 03 : Number 149 In this issue: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) a tenous link.. (kw) Klaus Dinger News (kw) CD Discography....still waiting Re: (kw) re speech from hell Re: (kw) CD Discography....still waiting (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) Re: (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) Re: (kw) robotic speech Re: (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) (kw) The Notorious B.I.G. Re: (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity Re: (kw) robotic speech (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow with the robots"??? (kw) Autobahn Re: (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow with the robots"??? Re: (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow w Re: (kw) robotic speech (kw) Notorious? Re: (kw) re speech from hell (kw) Tourdates: a complete list Re: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets (kw) KW Web site hacked? Re: (kw) KW Web site hacked? Re: (kw) KW Web site hacked? Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Re: (kw) CD Discography....still waiting (kw) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:27:00 +0200 Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 04:39:09 +0100 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Any court cases? Adam Schefflan wrote: > For the ZILLIONTH time, Arthur Baker and John Robie, the musicians who > constructed the "Planet Rock" track, played the KW-written passage on > their own equipment--THEY DID NOT SAMPLE THE PASSAGE DIRECTLY. The > technology for sampling exactly from the source was not available yet! Actually, Bambaataa's PR dates from 1982, while the Fairlight machine dates from 1979 and the Emulator I from 1981. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:03:48 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) copyright - Sue ! Libel! > From: Robert Simonsen > > You should also listen to 2LIVE-CREW....Their music is BASED on KRAFTWERK samples. All their songs I think. If Kraftwerk`s lawyer or Kraftwerk themselves could have listened to their (rather shitty) songs, they would probably fly over to the US and killed the band..... !!*GRRR*!! Yeah, I saw 2 Live Crew on some talk show a few years ago. -(Donahue? I forget which.)- They were discussing "advisory" labels, etc, and they performed 2 "songs", one of which was a disgusting misogynistic rap over a repeating bar or 2 of MAN.MACHINE -no mistake about it. I wish I could've been in the audience. How DARE they desecrate KRAFTWERK?!! Did they pay royalties to R&F? I don't like it when ANY artist rips off another artist, but, atleast Bam and most other KW-samplers I've heard have done good things with the basic sounds. -("Infringement", maybe, but, nothing outright "insulting".)- Yes, I know, I said this before the last time it was brought up. So sue me. ;] ROBOWINKY ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:07:02 PDT From: "Charlie Crash" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain ...at last!!! - I've got the name right on my postings... :o) ///CC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:01:14 PDT From: "Roland Tb303" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Hi all werkaholics... If I may say so...I really like this bunch of people (this list that is...) but I've just remembered that I haven't made a proper introduction to myself (shame on me!)...well, here it is: I'm 25, Danish, live in Sweden, have worked as an electrician but switched career to my ongoing hobby: Music! I now sit in an extremely well-equipped studio (Yamaha 01/02/03, Cubase Audio VST on mac, nearly all analog/digital synths you can think of, Akai s-3000XL, etc etc etc) my favourite synthesizer is an old Yamaha DX-100 - It's really noisy and shitty, but it's got that cutting edge to fill up a mix - Mmmmm!!! I discovered KW when I was with a friend who didn't understand KW at all - - He sold me the 'CW' on original flourcent-covered vinyl for 10 swedish kroners, and I was just SOLD! :) Later on when we went to the concert in Lund-91, he was just as hooked as I was... There is NOTHING like KW - Total uniqueness! Well enough about me, Has anyone heard the speech program called Sound OLÉ from the makers of the Soundblaster card - It's very good really! You can modulate the voice yourself with mouth-size, age, gender, speed, pitch & so on... I've also got the speechprogram for a C64 emulator called S.A.M. (synthetic audio mouth) - It's VERY digital =) L8er ///C.Crash ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:11:42 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) a tenous link.. But surely a note for note recreation that is virtually identical to the trained ear is a form of sampling... remember that Hutter/Schnieder/ Bartos were not quoted as co-writers on the single.. until the court case arrived.. my opinion of sampling is very low as you may have gathered. And how come when I heard that track, my overiding impression was that it was TEE/Numbers gangraped by AB/JR. remember the New Order fans that went around with T-shirts saying "John Robie Must Die", If we are talking about that dreadful Notorious BIG tribute single, I only have one thing to say: fat, sexist, gold-dripping wannabe gangster. You play with guns, what do you expect? And I don't think a half-spoken drawl is more soulful than Sting... unless we are talking about William Burroughs here. "Death is a great career move" - Tony Wilson. I suspect I can be opinionated at times. Flame off, all, Marky xx I > If you know the song, the KW >passage is only a small fraction of all the music. > > >You have to admit, however, that Faith's >singing's much better than Sting's. . - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:38:25 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger News The October issue of NOTES contains an article about Klaus Dinger, with some details about his legal battles against Michael Rother and his former record company. The article confirms that the "NEU! 4" album is indeed no longer available, due to legal action from Michael Rother. The following Klaus Dinger releases on the Captain Trip label are now available via Indigo as German imports: a) la! NEU? - - Duesseldorf (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4508-2) b) La Duesseldorf - - Duesseldorf (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4509-2) - - Viva (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4511-2) - - Individuellos (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4512-2) c) Klaus Dinger & Rheinita Bella Duesseldorf - - Neondian (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4515-2) These are the old Captain Trip pressings, only the catalogue number was altered. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:08:55 -0700 From: rmknudson@juno.com (matt knudson) Subject: (kw) CD Discography....still waiting I am a Kraftwerk fan in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA (also a fan of Tangerine Dream, but that is another issue). Anyway, I am still waiting for one of you guys to post a listing of all of KW's CD's so that I can see what I am missing. Include official bootlegs if possible (not cdr's). Thanks in advance........... Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:50:14 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) re speech from hell Paulo Mouat wrote: > > Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe wrote: > > Well, I am not quite sure wether I am right or not, but I also asked > > myself, how KW created those strange speeches and I came to the > > conclusion that they sampled the single letters of the alphabet and > > put them together to those speeches afterwards. At least, I got > > comparable results using short letter-samples... > > Bartos has confessed that this was indeed the method they commonly used > in a Future Technology interview. That was how the vocoded robot vocals > on the Esperanto album were put together. > -- I remember reading some articles in the early 80s about speech recognition / synthesis, saying that the trick was not to use samples of single letters or phonems, but TRANSITIONS between every pair of possible sounds in a language (or at least pairs that make sense and have a probability to be used), in order to make the final synthetic speech more natural and understandable. On the Esperanto album, there are indeed a few places where short fragments of vocal sounds are put together, but the result doesn't "say" anything : it's IMHO more a trick or a gimmick to achieve some "mechanical voice" effect. And as for very "clear" vocoded sounds, the use of a phase vocoder usually gives amazing results (providing that the right setups are used). This is DSP-based technology (real-time or not), and the trick (compared to analog vocoders) is to keep also the phase information between partials of the original vocal signal. Then fantastic results can be achieved : for instance, you can "tell" who was speaking only by listening to the vocoded sound. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:02:45 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) CD Discography....still waiting matt knudson wrote: > > Anyway, I am still waiting > for one of you guys to post a listing of all of KW's CD's so that I can > see what I am missing. Include official bootlegs if possible (not > cdr's). Thanks in advance........... Matt > Actually, we're all waiting for the new KW album to be released, so that an up-to-date discography can be posted. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:32:13 PDT From: "Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe" Subject: (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) jbv wrote: "I remember reading some articles in the early 80s about speech recognition / synthesis, saying that the trick was not to use samples of single letters or phonems, but TRANSITIONS between every pair of possible sounds in a language (or at least pairs that make sense and have a probability to be used), in order to make the final synthetic speech more natural and understandable." Makes sense. But what about the MIX-speeches? Especially, I think about the RADIOAKTIVITAET-speeches ("HiRoShiMa, TschErnoByl..."). It is defenitely not the DLS. As I said, I am not quite sure, but the consonants sound strange... there is a stress on them. I guess, I could be right, supposing they used letter-samples or at least syllable-samples... The rest is done with some pitch-shifting and some other effects. Tanz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:29:04 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe wrote: > >But what about the MIX-speeches? Especially, I think about > the RADIOAKTIVITAET-speeches ("HiRoShiMa, TschErnoByl..."). It is > defenitely not the DLS. As I said, I am not quite sure, but the > consonants sound strange... there is a stress on them. I guess, I could > be right, supposing they used letter-samples or at least > syllable-samples... And what about analysis + resynthesis of syllables of a real voice signal, which are then put together as individual samples ? Did I win something ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:26:16 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech Mark Tomas wrote: > > > I had one of these, called a Speak and Spell. It was an orange plasic > thing, about the size of a notebook, with a keyboard and a small display. > It would say a word, and you were supposed to type it out. It let you know > if you spelled it right. > And they were prominently featured in the movie E.T. He used one to "phone home". > Adam Schefflan wrote: > >Finally, Scott B. (a fellow New Yorker) raised an interesting issue > by > >telling us his age. Are there many US Kraftwerk fans in their early > 20s? > Me, 24, and I've been a fan of theirs since I was about 17. I was at a friend's house, looking through her Depeche Mode collection, and stumbled across "Electric Cafe." I knew of Kraftwerk at the time, as everybody and their uncle named them as influences, but I'd never actually heard any. And since I had a burning passion for synthesizers, I knew I had to borrow it. I was hooked from then on. > >Are they a Generation X icon, just retro, or nearly unheard of in > >that demographic? Peace. > Depends who you ask. All the tehcno/industrial people I know know their stuff (although one techno artist I know simply loathes them, but acknowledges that his genre owes them a massive debt). All the alternakids I know hadn't heard of them until the TG mention on MTV. - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= You're a very silly man and I'm not going to interview you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:48:57 PDT From: "Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe" Subject: Re: (kw) speech from hell (the MIX!) jbv: "And what about analysis + resynthesis of syllables of a real voice signal, which are then put together as individual samples ? Did I win something ?" OK.OK.OK. I will not enlarge on this... :) But.. it does not sound vocoded at all. ;I Tanz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:23:20 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The Notorious B.I.G. >>> If we are talking about that dreadful Notorious BIG tribute single, I only have one thing to say: fat, sexist, gold-dripping wannabe gangsta. You play with guns, what do you expect? And I don't think a half-spoken drawl is more soulful than Sting... unless we are talking about William Burroughs here. <<< Lawd, don't get me started! First, you should know that the US media have a way of labeling every hip-hop MC as a "gangsta," whether they're associated with that style or not. Biggie was NOT a "gangsta rapper" but a very talented MC who, despite his somewhat shady dealings in the past (selling crack to support his mother), was able to overcome obstacles with his talent. Now, he was no Rakim, but he was damn talented. Because of his association with Puffy, who tries to dilute the hip-hop culture in favor of fashion shows and displays of wealth and material items, his image was re-tailored to fit the "mack-daddy pimp" image instead of the positive brother with talent. Besides, he wouldn't have done tracks with DJ Premier and Prodigy (of Mobb Deep) if he was a "gangsta." Biggie never wanted to be associated with the "gangsta rapper" image. Second, Biggie doesn't appear on the tribute single. The mush-mouthed MCing is Puffy, who shouldn't be making records in the first place--he should remain on the business side of the industry and keep running his label. The chorus is sang by Faith Evans, Biggie's estranged wife (now widowed, obviously). I much prefer R&B to rock ('cause it's got SOUL), and Mary J. Blige has an incredible voice. What is disturbing, however, is Puffy's overwhelming narcissism, which overpowers that particular song. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World/Radioactivity In a message dated 97-09-23 20:42:40 EDT, you write: << - light-disc instrument for playing mono choir sounds, which "was built in Florida". >> Yes - this is the Vako Orchestron!! Although it is fully polyphonic. You can see a picture of my orchestron at http://members.aol.com/SRRecords/indexST.html Kinda crappy pictures but that's what cheap technology does!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech About Robotic speech - Yes - the Speak and Spell was used. I've also heard that many of the voices on the Electric Cafe album were made from a device called Dectalk or something - this is a device that can read to the blind. I also thought that the phoneme (sp?) sampler method was used on Esperanto only....not the KW stuff (but it is very very possible since Florian has been known to have a love affair with linguistics!).........Also - for really nice computerized speech methods - visit the Bell Laboratories web site and you will find a demo version of what their speech can do by typing in any words you want!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:56:33 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Hi all Does anyone know if "Mini Calculattore" as perfomed on RAI TV years ago, has ever been released as single or 12"? Does anyone know if "State of the art" and "Solar Constitution", as perfomed by Electric Music (without Karl Bartos) on German TV programme "Mittwochs Live aus Duisburg" some time ago, has ever been released anywhere? It was not on the Esperanto Album... Recently someone found for me , in a record store in Amsterdam, an original cassette of "Dentaku/Numbers" released by TC-EMI5175," original sound recordings made by Golden Cloud Ltd 1981", the MC itself is all yellow and comes in a very stylishly designed yellow cigaratte-box shaped= box which looks like a pocket calculator!. (Hey, this item could very wel= l be used to house cigarettes...dead cool!) Does anyone know in which country it was released and if it is any rare.....(probably pretty rare...I have never seen it before!)? PS-I am the only one on the mailing list who has got an Electric Music promotional watch and the accompanying "Esperanto" Booklet which is basically an Esperanto-Deutsch translation book (wrapped in the rising so= n cover of the album)??? (won in a contest...hehhe. lucky me!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:56:27 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow with the robots"??? Hi all Tonight I was listening to some Kraftwerk Bootleg and I started to think that it would be dead- interesting if someone REALLY close to Kraftwerk would write a book about= the band, just like Deborah Curtis did on her husband Ian Curtis of Joy Division. (Hopefully no suicide is necessary....heheh). Anyway, just minutes laters, I found on the Aktivitat On-line Archive thi= s particular sentence of a Wolfgang Flur Interview from 1996- A-Do you still relate to the work you achieved with your former colleague= s? WF-Not so much in the last time. I do work very intensively on my new songs. But I started to write my memories about the time with the boys. The title of the book will be 'Und= er one pillow with the robots'. (It is a special German meaning...) = What is your opinion on this. Was he just taking the mickey or serious? I would certainly be the first in line if this book ever sees the light o= f the day... Cheers Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Autobahn Hello all...I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not "Autobahn" is currently available. It doesn't seem to be in print in the US but I thought that it might still be available as an import. Can anyone give me a lead? John Morgan "On your way home tonight, someone may pass The University of Michigan you in the darkness - and you'll never jbmorgan@umich.edu know it! - for they will be from outer http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ space..." - Criswell, "Plan 9 including The Colin Wilson Page from Outer Space" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:11:42 +0200 From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow with the robots"??? >What is your opinion on this. Was he just taking the mickey or serious? >I would certainly be the first in line if this book ever sees the light of >the day... > This book indeed exists, but what I saw in 1993 were just three on a color printer "hand-made" copies. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:24:31 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang Flur writing his memories "Under one pillow w > I found on the Aktivitat On-line Archive this particular sentence of > a Wolfgang Flur Interview from 1996- > > But I started to write my memories about the time with the boys. The title > of the book will be 'Under one pillow with the robots'. (It is a special German > meaning...) > > What is your opinion on this. Was he just taking the mickey or serious? Yes, he has written (or is still writing) his autobiography, and demo copies are in existance ("Unter einer Decke mit den Robotern") - if anyone has a copy and is willing to make photocopies, please get in contact! ;-) However, there don't seem to be concrete plans for a publication at the moment. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:15:08 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) robotic speech ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > About Robotic speech - ........Also - for really nice > computerized speech methods - visit the Bell Laboratories web site and > you > will find a demo version of what their speech can do by typing in any > words > you want!! There are also some rather nice speech synth programs to found at http://www.elan.fr. Much fun to had with the german voice program. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:26:34 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Notorious? > Biggie was NOT a "gangsta rapper" but >a very talented MC who, despite his somewhat shady dealings in the past >(selling crack to support his mother), was able to overcome obstacles >with his talent. - - Damned by his own actions, I think. Someone who sells crack - for whatever reason - is a Gangster. >his >image was re-tailored to fit the "mack-daddy pimp" image instead of the >positive brother with talent. Besides, he wouldn't have done tracks with >DJ Premier and Prodigy (of Mobb Deep) if he was a "gangsta." - - Everyone controls their own image in a lot of respects, remember how much control Kraftwerk have over their public image? Sometimes it's the singers who can't sing very well who are the most sincere - Ralf, for example.. and a soul diva with an amazing range is just as fake as any other musical artist. Don't wanna start a war or anything. * chilling in the corner like a fridge, imagining how a Kraftwerk/Bjork collaboration would sound * - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:21:31 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) re speech from hell In message <342A5E06.6F37@wanadoo.fr>, jbv writes > >On the Esperanto album, there are indeed a few places where short >fragments of vocal sounds are put together, but the result doesn't >"say" anything : it's IMHO more a trick or a gimmick to achieve some >"mechanical voice" effect. Listening to a tape or the Triabl Gathering, the new track uses unintelligable but vocoded speech as a rhythm track in one section. thought you might want to know... - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:58:00 +0200 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Tourdates: a complete list For several years I have collected information on the tourdates of Kraftwerk. Currently I am converting my old WP5 file to a Word document which I can automatically save as a HTML-file. Also I am cross checking all data with written notes and articles (like aktivitat magazines and mails from the mailing list). The data until 1975 is already available at the following page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html The format and layout is far from what it should be, but it will be updated after all data is entered by me. In the next few weeks I will add the rest of the data. For those who have information on dates or have seen a concert (and can recollect the date) please mail me if something is missing or not correct. greetings, Dolf / / Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands ----/---/---- Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2547393 / / E-mail: twingo@xs4all.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:09:17 +0200 From: j.sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: (kw) Linz & Karlsruhe tickets Dear friends, sorry to bug you, but a friend of mine is desperate for a ticket to the Karlsruhe gig with Kraftwerk. He doesn't have net access, so initially please mail me if you can help. He offers all the cash you demand. If money is not enough, he has other rarities (tapes/vid/records) that he might throw in the deal. Get back to me, and i'll set you up with my colleague. NOTE: Don't answer the list, use my personal mail. Jan Sundstrom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:27:31 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) KW Web site hacked? After following the thread about KW's Web site yesterday I decided to check in on it and see if there were any new developments. There were-- somehow I kept getting transferred to an Internet company in New Jersey! I used Netscape's 'Source Info' feature, and several of the files on the company's page (though not all of them) had the prefix 'www.kraftwerk.com' at the beginning. I tried reaching the page through the links at other KW sites and got the same result, although 'www.kraftwerk.li' was working as usual. I checked again this morning and everything was back to normal. So what happened? Did some disgruntled 'Werker hack KW's page? - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:32:39 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) KW Web site hacked? At 19:27 1997-09-25 +0500, Christopher Gross wrote: > >After following the thread about KW's Web site yesterday I decided to check in >on it and see if there were any new developments. There were-- somehow I kept >getting transferred to an Internet company in New Jersey! I used Netscape's The Internet Company IACNET.NET's page was shown.. The ISP that distribute KW's pages to us.. Probably there was just some temporarily error in routing so the "Ultra" Main Page was shown instead.. ;P //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:43:14 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW Web site hacked? On 26-Sep-97, RoBoten wrote: >The Internet Company IACNET.NET's page was shown.. The ISP that distribute >KW's pages to us.. Probably there was just some temporarily error in >routing so the "Ultra" Main Page was shown instead.. ;P Boy, that was fast! Thanks for the information. At first I thought it might have been a glitch myself, but I didn't know about the connection with the ISP and it seemed kind of far-fetched... (New Jersey? :-)) And yes, it was the main page I saw... - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:56:31 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Roland Metzger wrote: > PS-I am the only one on the mailing list who has got an Electric Music > promotional watch and the accompanying "Esperanto" Booklet which is > basically an Esperanto-Deutsch translation book (wrapped in the rising son > cover of the album)??? (won in a contest...hehhe. lucky me!) Hi, Maybe you are the only one who owns the watch. But you are NOT the only one who owns the book and the red/silver promo-CD!! Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:38:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD Discography....still waiting On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, matt knudson wrote: > I am a Kraftwerk fan in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA (also a fan of > Tangerine Dream, but that is another issue). Anyway, I am still waiting > for one of you guys to post a listing of all of KW's CD's so that I can > see what I am missing. Include official bootlegs if possible (not > cdr's). Thanks in advance........... Matt CD format only? I have the following: Computer World Electric Cafe Kraftwerk Kraftwerk 2 Ralf & Florian Showroom Dummies The Man-Machine The Mix And I've also seen The Model. I have no idea if there are more than that. I understand there is a Radioactivity CD as well. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:27:15 -0600 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:27:00 +0200 hello kraftwerker, i am new to this mailing list and i would like to introduce myself briefly: my name is andreas and i am running the http://www.andreas.de webserver. besides my aphextwin-homepage i also feature the bbc-broadcast of the kraftwerk-gig earlier this year in great britan in real-audio. (http://www.andreas.de/kraftwerk/) i think, kraftwerk have ever been very important to me. one of the first records i ever bought was kraftwerk's french version of computerworld. being raised in the ruhr-area, about 25 kilometers from duesseldorf i also have something like a "spiritual relationship" to that special duesseldorf-sound ;) ok, now to something completely different ;) does anyone know WHO will be the guest(s) in karlsruhe ?! i couldn't get any information. thank you, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de http://www.andreas.de/kraftwerk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:26:53 +0200 From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Roland Metzger wrote: > Hi all > > Does anyone know if "Mini Calculattore" as perfomed on RAI TV years ago, > has ever been released as single or 12"? I'm quite sure it hasn't. > Recently someone found for me , in a record store in Amsterdam, an > original cassette of "Dentaku/Numbers" released by TC-EMI5175," original > sound recordings made by Golden Cloud Ltd 1981", the MC itself is all > yellow and comes in a very stylishly designed yellow cigaratte-box shaped > box which looks like a pocket calculator!. (Hey, this item could very well > be used to house cigarettes...dead cool!) It woun't hold more than about 10 cigarettes, if you don't squeeze them ;) The brand of the pocket calculator on the sleeve is Casio. I actually own one of these (yes: the K7, but here I'm referring to the calculator) and the picture seem to be taken from the calculator's manual. The index-finger, pressing down key number 2, is identical to the one on the manual. > Does anyone know in which country it was released and if it is any > rare.....(probably pretty rare...I have never seen it before!)? No idea, but I don't think it's very rare. > PS-I am the only one on the mailing list who has got an Electric Music > promotional watch. My watch broke :( The plastic bracelet is of lousy quality. Oh, sorry, I hate these fan-competitions. Conny F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:53:29 +0100 From: Trevor Tsang Subject: Re: (kw) "Mini Calculattore" 7 " & "Dentaku/Numbers" MC & EM unreleased songs questions Hi everyone, I've been lurking on the list for a couple of weeks, been enjoying the various discussion. Thought it was time I contributed something > Recently someone found for me , in a record store in Amsterdam, an > original cassette of "Dentaku/Numbers" released by TC-EMI5175," original > sound recordings made by Golden Cloud Ltd 1981", the MC itself is all > yellow and comes in a very stylishly designed yellow cigaratte-box shaped= > > box which looks like a pocket calculator!. (Hey, this item could very wel= > l > be used to house cigarettes...dead cool!) > Does anyone know in which country it was released and if it is any > rare.....(probably pretty rare...I have never seen it before!)? As far as I know this was only ever released in the UK, and according to the guy I picked my copy up from, it is very rare. I have a copy of Record Collector magazine (c1991) and it lists the price at ~30UK pounds (I picked up my copy for $4 :)). One thing I did notice is that it sounds as though someone recorded the tape directly from the vinyl- on my copy at the very end there is a clicking noise as if the tonearm has been lifted up. I don't know if this is cos' I've got a dodgy copy or what, but it is a bit odd. In the copy of Record Collector mag, there is an article on KW as well as a full list of all the official German and UK releases and some interesting overseas bits and pieces. If anyone is interested I can type out the article (don't know if anyone else has done this already) as well as the discography- may take a few days, cos I've got a PhD to sumbit in the next couple of weeks Cheers, Trev # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #149 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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