From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #161 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Monday, October 20 1997 Volume 03 : Number 161 In this issue: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig (kw) ZKM small details (kw) new Domain Re: (kw) ZKM small details Re: (kw) ZKM small details (kw) Taschenrechner? Re: (kw) Taschenrechner? (kw) KRAFTWERK'S GENIUS. (kw) Karlsruhe (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Re: (kw) ZKM small details Re: (kw) ZKM small details Re: (kw) ZKM small details (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" Re: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" RE: (kw) SHAME ON ME!! (ZKM small details ) (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) Article in "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" on Kraftwerk & ZKM (kw) Orchestrons Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) I can't Remember! RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) kw @ zkm / laurent garnier RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) Title of new KW album See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:08:33 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig lbo@pop3.iol.it asked: >> of the beat. A friend asked Fritz Hilpert, when the new Album will be >> released, his answer was "Kommt schon". >does it mean "coming soon" or "it will come a beatiful one"? "coming soon". But he had said the same in 1992. So it's more "Coming sometimes..." Greets, Georgie ______________________________________ Wenn Wellen schwingen, ferne Stimmen singen... - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:56:49 +0200 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) ZKM small details just returned from karlsruhe, after waiting one and a half hour in front of the closes curtain .... WOOWWW!!! Great concert. The sound quality was fantastic and i hope that some nice bootlegs will be released soon. I remember three new songs (including the lutton one) - all with no vocals. The first new song (with the airwaves intro) sounded very techno. I cannot compare it to anything i know from kw. the whole song had a very dark and dingy (duestere) atmosphere. The second one I didnt really like. And the third one was the lutton song - really great to hear it live after all. They played the robots two times. the first time with an empty stage and just some video sequences. after that the video panels moved up and four robots appeared. I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the impression he looked a little bit sad. When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a little bit to late or too early. I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in front of him and he turned the page one or two times during a song. cheers martin PS: The DJ before Kraftwerk is called Xenia. Some staff guy told me that she is a 18 year old talented girl from moscow. She played a lot of nice trance tracks. Bad luck for her that she played BEFORE Kraftwerk. Because everybody was just waiting for KW. PPS: Laurant Garnier (also a DJ) was still playing when I left at about 3 o Clock. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 1997 18:33:00 +0200 From: M.SCHMIDT@top.east.de (Marko Schmidt) Subject: (kw) new Domain Hallo , my Homepage is under the new Domain : www.mdis.de/privat/Kraftwerk/ wrong Domain in my Email from 16.10.: www.mdis.de/private/kraftwerk/ Sorry - -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko=B7 GermanKraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/privat/kraftwerk/ # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:43:42 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Hi! On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Martin Niedergesaess wrote: > I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in > front of him and he turned the > page one or two times during a song. Hey, thats interesting, in Linz, Florian had such "Leitz-Ordner", Ralf not, a black one, also turned the pages during the songs, for me, it looked like that he was bored, so he had to read something.......... Sers aus Oesterreich zilli ************************************** Alexander Peter Zillner - EDV Beratung Schussweg 8, A-4210 Unterweitersdorf +43-664-2114805, alpezi@zilli.priv.at ************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:23:58 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details That seems true for me as well. Except some very small patterns played by Hilpert, all seemed to be from tape/disc/whatever. Although their hands moved all the concert, I had no glue what in hell they could do... The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed to be doing something, but he was the only one where I could see a conjunction between sounds and his moving hands. All others just tapped on the devices, sometimes not even touching them... Regardless - it was just great, the mood in the audience was quite interesting - cheers between the songs, silence while the songs where played (hey, they arn't gods, they can't be disappointed by the audience, but they could disappoint the audience...) They are showroom dummies, but they didn't start to dance... regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:18:08 +0600 From: resin@tuna.net (Darren) Subject: (kw) Taschenrechner? >The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed the what song? thanks darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Taschenrechner? >>The funiest thing was the Taschenrechner song, all including Florian seemed >the what song? "Taschenrechner" is just the German title of "Pocket Calculator". - -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:57:12 -0400 From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK'S GENIUS. As mentioned in the Oct. 19 "Sunday Times", KW'S GENIUS is in the way they put robotic beats and disembodied voices against some of the clearest and most naively beautiful melodies. They are also the best at integrating all kinds of "technological machine" sounds in their songs. They must love the sounds of cars, Geiger counters, computers, telephones etc... These machine sounds are mixed so seemlessly with the melodies of the songs that they become an integral part of them. They are not mere "sounds" anymore, they are "music". KW's lyrics can, occasionally, deal with serious matters, but, as a whole, I don't think they are to be taken too seriously... KW likes to play with words, with their meaning, with the way they sound, with the kind of "voice" they are gonna use to sing them etc... Ultimately, words (in several languages) are just another way to make "music". KRAFTWERK'S GENIUS is in the way they put everything together, when all these things become ONE, become MUSIC, KRAFTWERK'S MUSIC, THE BEST! - -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:07:41 +0200 From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Hi everybody, it was the third time I had the chance to see Kraftwerk performing live and I have to say this was not the best performance not because Kraftwerk were bad butbecause of the circumstances. I didn't like the way everything was organized. There were 4500 people standing in front of two small entrances. Couldn't work smoothly. Depending where you were standing in the building the sound was very awfull and the sight not much better. I think half the people haven't had a really good concert. The new song after Aetherwellen was fantastic, the other two, well, I don't really know if I like them. Little story about the nice security staff: As I left the building the entrance was temporarily blocked by two of those guys, one trying to light the cigarette of the other one. Very cool. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:36:22 +0200 From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Hi again, I have now read all the mails I received since friday and I feel like I am the only one who was a little bit disappointed by teh concert in Karlsruhe. Wll, maybe that's because the first concert I've seen from Kraftwerk was so impressive that every "repetition" can't top it. It was 1981 in Karlsruhe. I was 15 years old. We had a sport course from our school at a indoor swimming pool in the afternoon. The location where Kraftwerk played that evening was wall to wal to the indoor swimming pool. Suddenly during the course strange sounds could be heard: Kraftwerk making there soundcheck. My nerves were trembling. The concert was sensational because they played versions of their songs that were different from the album versions. (I mean they played nearly the versions they play today but at that time it was great). The concert wasn't sold out and I was standing near the stage even getting the chance to press a few buttons during "Taschenrechner". Christian Erz wondered in his mail why the concert startet half an hour late. The reason is simple: because of the small entrances and the strict security many people didn't manage to get in till half past ten! I'm gonna mail the ZKM to make a few complaints. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Hi! Martin@cnsoft.de wrote: << I had quite a good view to ralf (four rows in front of him). He was looking very serious all the time and sometimes i had the impression he looked a little bit sad. When they played pocket calculator he sometimes pressed a button (to play a little melody...) on his small portable device (like in former concerts). BUT this was never synchronous with the music. always a little bit to late or too early. I also remembered that ralf had a file (leitz ordner oder sowas) in front of him and he turned the page one or two times during a song. >> Hey! I think, that was Florian! Ralf pushed more buttons... he played the main melody, whereas Florian just pushed ONE button (for some very short sequence) in a "robot" way (funny Florian) . He also had the Leitz-file (I saw him closing it when he left the stage after "music non stop"). The guy next to Ralf (Henning?) controlled the drum/beat-sequences at pocket-calculator (I observed him, he just pushed buttons when the "drums" changed), and Fritz (next to Florian) played the other sounds. I think, it was a great concert, even if there was the damaged microphone (Ralf had to cover it with his hand, when he sung) and the videowall-error at "robotronik" (they removed too late, I think), and I like the new songs ! My favorites were: man-machine (yeah!!!), airwaves+new song1, the "luton" new song3 and - of course - music non stop. (also the "sellafield 2" - intro of radioactivity) I hope, somebody passed the security with some recording device! I also hope, I will be able to listen the new songs again on a CD! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. halb wesen - halb ding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:01:19 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details Overall, it was quite funny to say the people around which song will come next ... You should have seen their faces: Unbelievable how upset people could look ;-)) Regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:28:36 +0200 From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details My body just returned after a 20-hour marathon drive back from Karlsruhe. Before I go to bed, I just *have* to tell you about something I was thinking about during Sellafield 2. As the vocoded voice says "will cause death and skin cancer..." I looked around just to observe the audience, as it was very quiet at that point. I suddenly realised why... everyone was lighting up their cigarettes... I wonder if Kraftwerk *REALLY* is more worried of getting cancer from a non-existant nuclear material plant than from getting lung cancer from their audience.=20 Well... I'm off to bed now. The Karlsruheevent was really=20 something, and specially meeting a lot of people from the list. I'll try to summarize my thoughts on the concert tomorrow... > My favorites were: man-machine (yeah!!!), airwaves+new song1, the "luto= n" new > song3 and - of course - music non stop. (also the "sellafield 2" - intr= o of > radioactivity) /AW - --=20 ********************************************************************* * Anders Wilhelm * mail:trafo@analogue.org * * N=FCklear research * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ *=20 ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:22:20 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" Check out todays issue (20.Oktober 97) or "DIE WELT" page 10, for a positive review of the Karlsruhe Gig plus an article on the ZKM. Regards Roland = Anybody has seen other articles? Pls post URL's if they are on-line as well... ("Die Welt" is on-line as well www.welt.de but didn't check yet if th= is article of the printed issue is there as well..) Thanks PS: I thought the Tribal Gathering gig was more exciting than Karlsruhe (except for the new songs).... but that is my opinion only, of course! PSPS: The "strap-it-around-the-balls" approach worked perfectly again! Yo= u know what I am talking about :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:38:31 +0200 (CES) From: Harald Westphal Subject: Re: (kw) Article on ZKM & Concert in todays "DIE WELT" According to Roland Metzger: > Check out todays issue (20.Oktober 97) or "DIE WELT" page 10, for a > positive review of the Karlsruhe Gig plus an article on the ZKM. > Anybody has seen other articles? Pls post URL's if they are on-line as > well... > ("Die Welt" is on-line as well www.welt.de but didn't check yet if this > article of the printed issue is there as well..) http://www.welt.de/971020/1020ku02.htm There's also a live picture (but it's not of the Karlsruhe gig). - -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de - -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:37:20 +0200 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: RE: (kw) SHAME ON ME!! (ZKM small details ) SHAME ON ME sorry, sorry, sorry, I mixed them up. it was florian on the right side of the stage (with no hair)....... In the ZKM main entrance hall there was a shop. They had about 200 concert posters (the black ones) in their sideboard. BUT they were not allowed to sell them. Does anybody from Karlsruhe know an employee from ZKM? So that you can get two posters for me?? cheers martin > -----Original Message----- > From: DepecheCBI@aol.com [SMTP:DepecheCBI@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:04 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details > > Hey! I think, that was Florian! Ralf pushed more buttons... he played > the > main melody, whereas Florian just pushed ONE button (for some very > short > sequence) in a "robot" way (funny Florian) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT From: "Florian Schneider" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain KLING KLANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:10:28 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Article in "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" on Kraftwerk & ZKM Here's an article in todays "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" on the opening of t= he ZKM and the Kraftwerk Gig in Karlsruhe (as found on-line at www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de) Regards Roland PS: The printed issue features an actual picture of the concert taken by the dpa (Deutsche Presse Agentur), so get it while you can! = Zentrum f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie er=F6ffnet Der Mensch und die Maschine VON BERND HAASIS Ein Satz des Sozialwissenschaftlers Marshall McLuhan ziert eine Wand im Innern des Zentrums f=FCr Kunst und Medientechnologie (ZKM) in Karlsuhe: = Das Medium ist die Botschaft, ist dort nachzulesen, denn es ver=E4ndert unser= e Ma=DFst=E4be und unseren Blick auf uns selbst. Nichts fasziniert die Mens= chen derzeit so sehr wie die Verhei=DFung multimedialer Welten hinter Bildschi= rmen und Mausklicks. Kein Wunder also, da=DF der Besucherandrang zur Er=F6ffnu= ng des ZKM am vergangenen Wochenende immens war: In dem gro=DFen Geb=E4udekomple= x f=FCr Gegenwartskunst wird der aktuelle Stand der Medienkunst sichtbar. ZKM-Direktor Heinrich Klotz erkl=E4rte, das Haus habe es sich zur Aufgabe= gemacht, die K=FCnste mit den elektronischen Techniken zu verbinden. Im ZKM flie=DFen interaktive virtuelle Welten, Video- und Klanginstallati= onen und zeitgen=F6ssische Kunst ineinander. Auffallend ist die interaktive An= lage vieler Werke: H=E4ufig wird aus dem Betrachter ein neudeutscher ,,User'',= der an Maus und Bildschirm kommuniziert, steuert und selbst kreativ wird. Auc= h das Videospiel hat seinen Platz im Medienmusem, Klassiker wie Tetris und Pacman, Pionierger=E4te wie Atari und Commodore C 64 sind dort ausgestell= t. Futuristische Spielsessel, in denen der moderne Mensch um ein virtuelles Leben k=E4mpfen kann, sind mit zwei Monitoren am Fu=DFende ausgestattet: = Einer zeigt den Vor=FCbergehenden den Spielverlauf, der andere das Gesicht des angespannten Spielers. Mensch und Maschine - eine gutnachbarschaftliche Beziehung? Vision=E4re ahnen schon lange, da=DF es dazu wohl keine Alternative gibt.= So auch die deutschen Techno-Pioniere der Elektro-Pop-Gruppe Kraftwerk, die als H=F6hepunkt der ZKM-Er=F6ffnung nach jahrelanger B=FChnenabstinenz wi= eder ein Konzert in Deutschland gaben. Die Wahl h=E4tte kaum treffender ausfallen k=F6nnen: Die Welt von Kraftwerk ist eine ,,Computerwelt''. Die vier Akte= ure stehen wie starre Maschinisten auf der Lokomotivedes kulturellen Fortschritts zwischen Computern und Synthesizern, das Verh=E4ltnis von Me= nsch und Maschine ist das beherrschende Thema der multimedialen Darbietung, be= i der Videoschirme einen Gro=DFteil der visuellen Wirkung erzeugen. Die Computerbeats und synthetischen Klangstrukturen von Kraftwerk sind schematisch und kopflastig, die Texte und Bilder sparsam und klar - ein formelhaftes Gewebe aus hypnotischen Sinnesreizen, ein suggestives Gesamtkunstwerk, das in seinen Assoziationen weit =FCber das vordergr=FCn= dig Vorgetrage hinausgeht. ,,Wir sind die Roboter'' verbreitet die kalte =C4sthetik einer Maschinenhalle, ,,Radioaktivit=E4t'' wirkt so bedrohlich= wie der Gedanke an einen atomaren Super-Gau. Und beim ,,Fahrn auf der Autobahn'' sind Videosequenzen aus einer Zeit zu sehen, als die Autobahn als Symbol des Aufbruchs in eine gl=FCckliche Zukunft gesehen wurde. Als zum Ende des Auftritts die Computer alleine weiterlaufen, die Musiker= von der B=FChne gegangen sind und stattdessen vier Roboter =FCber den Videoleinw=E4nden erschienen sind, da droht die Maschine wirklich ,,halb Wesen, halb Ding'' zu werden und lehrt uns f=FCr einen kurzen Moment f=FCrchten, der menschlicheFaktor k=F6nnte doch an gewicht verlieren in d= er Entwicklung vom Pinselstrich zum Mausklick, vom der Ber=FChrung des Geigenbogens auf der Saite zum Tastendruck. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:55:48 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Orchestrons Just a note to thank everyone who emailed to confirm that it definitely was the Orchestron (pl. Orchestra? :-) ) on 'Radioactivity'. I've amended the FAQ. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:07:18 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": >KLING KLANG That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be released? =) - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:33:33 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) I can't Remember! Hi there everyone, Someone on list list some time ago asked me if I could find a copy of the ABC album The Beauty Stab, on CD. Well I have found a copy in my local HMV store for 6.99 (thats Great British Pounds). If the person who asked me as I can't remember who it was wants to e:mail me personally, then I will get it for them. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:49:05 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about > "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": > > >KLING KLANG > Then Emanuel Mair wrote: >That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be released? =) Now I write !!! C'mon give it a rest. Florian (is it?) joins the list and the first question is "When will the new album be released?". If he wants to tell us, he will. Don't you think that if you ranked the ten most frequent questions to Kraftwerk all the top ten questions would be this one. In my opinion there are some questions that are asked once to often and this is one of them. What's the fun in waiting for a Kraftwerk album if you know when it's going to be relesed? Is anyone on this list going to stop listening to Kraftwerk if he doesn't answer? Are anyone on this list going to start dissliking Ralf and Florian if he doesn't answer? Don't think so ! We all know that someday there IS going to be a new album and not knowing whenever the new album will be released is part of the thrill in waiting that makes it just the more fun to wait for. Wouldn't you agree? Insted I think we all should join in a big: WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:05:56 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > Don't you think that if you ranked the ten most frequent > questions to Kraftwerk all the top ten questions would be this one. Is the question 'What in hell is that crapped second new song all about' allowed ? > We all know that someday there IS going to be a new album How can we know ? Or better: Who confirmed that information ? (I know, 'Kommt schon') reagrds, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:18:39 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > From: "Florian Schneider" > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT > > KLING KLANG > well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof that this person is really Florian Schneider ? and the second question is, if this man is really Mr Schneider, will he ever answer any of our qusestions or contribute any informations regarding Kraftwerk ? at least there will be an open information-flow out of KlingKlang ;-) maybe Ralf+Florian have changed their information policy and they will now open the cyber-doors of KlingKlang to the cyber-space or they have been inspired by Karl Bartos:"Informations want to be free !" :-) just a few thoughts that came to my mind. bye Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:24:21 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain >> On 20-Okt-97 A.D., Florian Schneider carved the following runes about >> "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": >> >> >KLING KLANG >> >Then Emanuel Mair wrote: > >That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be >released? =3D) > >Insted I think we all should join in a big: >WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE >THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? I think that is only a joke of someone. I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. IMHO. Regards. Rafa. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain >> From: "Florian Schneider" >> To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >> Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain >> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:47:18 PDT >> >> KLING KLANG >well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof >that this person is really Florian Schneider ? Hehe, I find it amazing in and of itself that anyone out here would even think of entertaining the idea that this could actually be Florian. 50 years of reported introvert and anti-socialist, and one little gig in Karlsruhe finds him posting to the Kraftwerk mailing list on the Internet just two days later. Sounds plausible? hehehe, I think not. ;-) Anyway, think about it rationally: One of the main reasons why people use mail services like 'hotmail.com' is so they can conceal their identities for privacy purposes. Does anyone out here seriously think Florian would use a 'hotmail.com' address and yet still give his real name in the post? That would sort of defeat much of the purpose of having such an account in the first place. On top of that, why would Florian use the English 'manmachine' in his email address as opposed to something much more significant to him in his native German language? Just some thoughts to ponder for those of you who actually questioned the authenticity of our Florian post here. hehe. At the very least, I did get a chuckle out of the post and some of the responses it got, so at least it had some entertainment value, although admittedly just a tad. :) Whoever posted it is probably also having a good chuckle right about now too. - -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:15:31 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain >Is the question 'What in hell is that crapped second new song all about' >allowed ? You don't have to ask me for permission to ask whatever question you like. I never said that, I just stated my opinion. My opinion was that this questions has been asked "zillion"? of times before and how many answers have we gott? and that it would be nicer if one was welcomed at first before questioned. Don't you agree? >How can we know ? Or better: Who confirmed that information ? (I know, >'Kommt schon') I said someday. Someday is somewhere between here and eternity. ;-) >Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? >I think that is only a joke of someone. >I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they >never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. Nope noway, that's why I in the beggining of my mail wrote. >Florian (is it?) joins the list......=20 And of course it could be someone just pulling our leggs. If it's not Florian then time will tell but I'd rather try to be polite than suspicious. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:46:39 +0200 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) kw @ zkm / laurent garnier heya all, first of all let me tell you that the opening of the zkm (great museum) was a very nice event. unfortunately the security-staff (rave-proven-company from frankfurt) examined every visitor to the graftwerk-gig very carefully. so i was standing for more than an hour in front of the doors. that's why i couldn't see or hear anything from xenia. when kraftwerk finally started, they faced several technical problems: first, the sound was "muddy" (matschig) - but that was fixed during the first songs. on the second song (homecomputer), no vocals could be heard. instead a noisy feedback occured. so it turned out to be a intrumental-version ;) this was also fixed later. the first new song they played (after the airwaves-intro) was great. very minimalistic techno but still very kraftwerk. actually this song could be hardhouse - release. the sound was very frankfurt-like. not really up-to date techno but very very pure and clear. i was a little bit disappointed of the tribal gathering song. it's not as cool as the new one.... btw: all songs were sung in german. very cool. i didn't know the german lyrics of pocketcalculator. very funny :) can you imagine kraftwerk doing improvisations ? that's exactly what they did when performing pocketcalculator. (very basic call-and-response jazz-pattern ;) so cool ! after the kw-performance, dj laurent garnier (mega-star in france, comparable to sven vaeth in germany) played his set of techno house. by making the mixed crowed of older and younger kraftwerk-fans dancing, he proved his status as word-class dj. very late, i think ist was about 3.30 am, he started mixing kraftwerk samples from muisc non-stop and computerworld into other songs. very nice. he finished about 10 minutes to 4 am. aprox. 100 people where still dancing. really cool atmosphere. all in all it was a nice day when i finally fell into bed at 7 hrs am ;) regards, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:50:18 +0200 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: RE: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafa [SMTP:deckard@arrakis.es] >=20 > I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they > never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. >=20 > 1. If I was as famous as Florian, I would *never* use my real email > address for public > postings. Because when he gets annoyed by weird mails from around the > world he can=20 > quit his free email account and get him a new one. >=20 > 2. Alexander Zillner wrote: > >>Florian doesnt even know about the existing of a Mailing = List....... > after the meeting in Linz. > So I think that it is not completely unlikely that Florian joined the > list after getting back to DUS. > Now that he knows of the existence. >=20 >=20 >=20 > martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:02:10 +0000 From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Title of new KW album What do you think about the following theory: The title of the new KW album will be =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB. On the Karlsruhe concert, there were posters for sale (I bought 2 of them) with just Kraftwerk in their neon suits and =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB= on it. There were also grey T-Shirts with =ABwww.kraftwerk.com=BB on them. A= nd www.kraftwerk.com was appearring fpr about 3 seconds after their Luton-Hoo-song on the 4 screens behind them. That much advertising for a website??? (which is, by the way, still very simple and poor on content at the moment). This must be the first merchandising items for their new album. I guess they have at least one song about the internet on their new album, and communication (and/or the Internet itself) will be at least one subject among these new songs. What do you think? Am I right? We could start a contest who gets the closest to what the title/theme of the new album will be. Christoph Soltmannowski "We are showroom dummies" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #161 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-kraftwerk": subscribe kraftwerk-digest local-kraftwerk@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "kraftwerk-digest" in the commands above with "kraftwerk". 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