From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 03 : Number 163 In this issue: Re: (kw) The new songs... Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) ZKM small details Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) TAZ-article (kw) Run my rude rider... AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? (kw) Photos from Linz! (kw) Rarity of Computer Welt Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? (kw) Bootleg does exist Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) karlruhe photos Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? (kw) KW on the list (kw) Four robots and two funerals (kw) PS : four robots and two funerals (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) Photos of Karlsruhe ZKM gig! [none] Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain (kw) addresses @kraftwerk.com Re:(kw) Real KW e-addresses? (kw) New Album :-( (kw) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:35:31 +0200 (kw) Miami concert rumour (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review (kw) Pressespiegel (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck RE: (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:52:00 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) The new songs... Georg Jajus wrote: > But what's with the "Airwaves" > song? Has it got new parts, a new intro...or is it the third new > song... I can't say though I listen to Kraftwerk since 1980. It seemed not to be any similiar to Airwaves. But it was the best piece of techno I've heard for ages. Clear and hard sounds. In my opinion the sound-quality was low. I think they had too few amplification-power. Same effect like at home: Heavy bass (and it was heavy bass at the concert) kills clear highes. The place was hardly tunable. It was more wide than long. Also this 'Dolby-Surround' experiment was not very impressive. Very mixed up volume in the back rows. Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:32:52 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Georg Jajus wrote: >I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has >anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a >lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like >"ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or >"klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? here we go again, please read the archives. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:27:49 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > Hehe, I find it amazing in and of itself that anyone out here would >even think of entertaining the idea that this could actually be Florian Dunno Scotty, it had me fooled! Bloody Nora, 3 weeks in the states, and I come back to another 'stir up' - not started by me!! Good old List, it never fails me!!! Keep up the good werk. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:50:29 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details ROBOT wrote: >So, >what's this rumor about KW playing TG at Miami in March '98? > dunno ROBOT, but i hope whilst they are there, they substitute one of the robots for Jan Hammer. I'd personally like to see him plugged into the mains via his butt! Serves him right for all those awful 'moody' miami vice themes! See ya on the channel, ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:51:47 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Sch=E4der Eric wrote: >We all know that someday there IS going to be a new >album=20 > do we, you seem mighty well informed then! > >and not knowing whenever the new album will be released is part of >the thrill in waiting that makes it just the more fun to wait for. >Wouldn't you agree? > I refer you to the current technopop 'scrum'. Please note Craig Land's comments on this subject. Here is a prime example of an album due for release, then scrapped in it's existing form. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:55:29 MET From: "STEINBORN JENS" Subject: (kw) TAZ-article Hi! Todays issue of "TAZ- die Tageszeitung" features an article about Kraftwerks gig in Karlsruhe. It is quite negative! Check it out at "http://www.taz.de/ ~taz/971021.taz/ku_T971021.157.html" Jens - --- Die (nu) - Campuszeitung aus Trier Skandaloes tendenzioes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:13:55 +0200 From: "Charlie Crash" <303@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Run my rude rider... =AE0|=E1=D1=F0 =86b=AD 303@iname.com=20 http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-62549 New provider, New (but same) home, New (and old) songs, New formats, New icons and a KW-remix with a link. ///CC (God! how happy I am to get rid of Geocities - They are hopelessly incompetent) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:51:25 +0200 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? whois kraftwerk.com: KlingklangR Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz KRAFTWERK2-DOM Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK.COM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cantera, David DC458 dcantera@IACNET.NET (609)778-1653 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 18-Aug-97. Record created on 03-Dec-96. Database last updated on 21-Oct-97 05:16:59 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: IAC.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.100 NEWS.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.110 NS2.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.102 you may also contact andreas kuckartz via http://www.compusic.com regards, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Georg Jajus [SMTP:Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 1997 03:17 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? I don't know if or when it has been discussed before (sorry!), but has anybody tried to mail to the www.kraftwerk.com page? There would be a lot of possibilities for an E-mail adress, like "ralf.huetter@kraftwerk.com", "florian@kraftwerk.com" or "klingklang@kraftwerk.com". Any idea? Georgie - -- In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafé - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:07:54 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Hi, >Yes, I have tried severall times. >The strange thing is that my messages did not get bounced! No, not is a strange thing. You can configure a mail server for reciving all possibles mail address for one domain. For this reason I think that people of www.kraftwerk.com must have read all our messages. I remember that when appeared the www.kraftwerk.com some moths ago I send many messages trying some adresses like florian@kraftwerk.com, ralf@kraftwerk.com, klingklang@kraftwerk.com ... etc...., and a week later I recived a misterious and anonymous mail saying that is a crime send mails to people that you don=B4t know and they will be controlling my actions. The mail was signatured by "The Internet Police" or something like that. Of course this mail was a joke... but... A joke from... THE BOYS? I would like to know if anybody recived a mail like this? Thanks Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:09:21 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Photos from Linz! Just got the negative stripes from Linz. Some seem to be great! Georgie - --=20 In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcaf=E9 - Direktverbindung TEE... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:12:33 +0200 From: Thomas Helvard Subject: (kw) Rarity of Computer Welt What is the published ratio between the english Computer World and the German Computer Welt? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:31:59 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? >who was the sender of that internetpoilice message? >Or was it anonymous? The mail was totally anonymous. It was send from a server in Finland that offers this service (make anonymous your mails). >did you reply to them? Yes, I reply something like... " X- ))))))) " Adios. Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:14:14 +0200 From: Withers Jerry PN SAP Subject: (kw) Bootleg does exist The wierdest thing happened to me as I was leaving the gig in Karlsruhe last saturday. This guy stopped me and asked if I could drive him home to Heidelberg. Since we were driving to Mannheim - which is only 8 miles away, I told him I had to ask our driver if he was willing. He then said that if we would do it he would give us a live recording of the gig in exchange for the ride. You can imagine my reaction. Anyway he showed me his mini-disc recorder and it was a done deal. Later we gave him our address and he said he would send us a DAT copy of the mini-disc. If he really does, we have yet to see. I'll let you know if he does. Even if he doesn't send us the copy he said he would - at least I know that there is a bootleg of the Karlsruhe concert. Jerry Only AMIGA makes it possible! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:29:33 -0400 From: Alden Consulting Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain I believe that it's from Elvis. Can we all get along now? Alex Laney (from Ottawa, home of the Official Elvis Sighting Society, incidentally) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:45:49 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) karlruhe photos http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae64/kraftwerk.html - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:59:56 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain > > I believe that it's from Elvis. > > Can we all get along now? > > Alex Laney > (from Ottawa, home of the Official Elvis Sighting Society, incidentally) Are you sure, I heard Elvis was spotted with a pale skinny man with a large head in Area 57!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:11:06 +0100 From: "Simon Gray" Subject: (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? Is there an official or unofficial fan club for Kraftwerk???? For info on tour dates, releases etc....... I would hate to miss a once in a lifetime live show... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:37:56 +0000 From: jbv Subject: (kw) KW on the list Honnestly, I don't think that it really matters to know whether Forian sent this message or not. Frankly, do you think that a band who - released an album called Computer World 15 years ago - has an official Web site - selles T-shirts with www.KW.com is not aware of this list ? When I got my internet connection about 6 months ago, the first thing I did was to log on Yahoo and search KW. If KW members didn't find the list themselves, they obviously got the info from one of their engineers a long time ago. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:50:11 +0000 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Now that Mister Schneider-Esleben is on the list, it's time to post a few comments on the last two gigs. First Linz. I couldn't make it in time for the list meeting, and I regret it for I think that was the only interesting part of the gig. I had to sell a few tickets with no extra charge. It only took 45 seconds to sell them, although I looked suspiscious to a few people who didn't understand why there was no extra charge, and double-checked if the tickets were really for the KW gig. After that I went inside the entrance hall, where a guy was selling some ugly T-shirts with various robots, autobahn & RA signs on them. Another one featured www.kraftwerk.com, and I think people must be very stupid to pay to wear some publicity for a band. I for one would even not accept to get paid to wear that kind of crap... Then the gig started. Once again, there was Numbers, KomputerWelt, HeimKomputer, and so on. With terrible balance problems between Ralf's keyboard and the rest of the crew. And also mike problems. I have a question : how come these people who are supposed to rehearse and work from 5 to 12 pm every day for 25 years can still have this kind of problems ? From the beginning of the show, I had the feeling that every other member was following Ralf, especially Florian who was looking at him quite often. To me, it looked like Ralf Hutter and band. At times, Florian was reading the newspapers (just to kill time, I presume). I think they could remove the 3 or 4 first songs from the show (including MM) because these versions are quite poor compared to the originals (and to various live versions known on bootlegs). Furthermore, the graphics are such a pity that I couldn't watch the screens for more than a few seconds without feeling ashame for them. It's only some tasteless stuff inspired by cartoon generics such as Mister Magoo or Pink Panther. IMO, without Schult, these guys are nothing. Of course, there was also Autobahn, RA, TEE and Tour de France (and their wonderful videos) which gave me chills. But nothing really new. There was also the remix version of "Airwaves". The entire piece IS Airwaves, not only the intro. In Linz, there was a synth riff all along it which was very similar to the original melody. The idea of displaying waveforms of the stereo mix in real time is quite good, although it gets boring after 30 sec. Then there was a new song, with no lyrics, no graphics, no concept, no interest. Only techno-like background noise for supermarket parking lots. That's the main problem with their new material : there's no concept behind and therefore it doesn't go anywhere and made me yawn. After that, they tried to do "The Robots". But Florian's robot was so shy that it decided to stay behind the screen. Then, 3 robots went on strike. Ralf's robot was doing large gestures to make them change their minds, made lots of promises (higher wages, better batteries, and even a new album before july 2012) but nothing worked. After that, the 4 guys came back in their ugly green pyjamas. They tried to make a cover version of "We are DEVO" but couldn't remember the chord progression. Instead, they made a few noises with their gear (aka "the Luton song") just to check if it was still working. Then it was quite late. So they set up their sophisticated alarm-clocks (aka the Kling-Klang studio) to the "Music Non Stop" program, and went to bed one after each other like good boys. - --------- Karlsruhe, two days later. Once again, I missed the list meeting as I didn't get any fresh info about a possible meeting point. Indeed, the audience was treated like cattle by the security (very industrial concept) and we finally stepped inside the (very crowded) concert hall. From the first seconds of the show, it was obvious that this place has the worst acoustics I've ever heard. If this thing has been built with the taxpayers money, you german guys have been screwed. As it was impossible to see anything on the stage from where we were (and because the sound was awfull), we went back to the entrance, in front of the large video screen, where the musicians could at least be seen far away. The sound was still awfull, although we could tell which song they were playing. Believe or not, the show was EXACTLY the same as in Linz. Even the image freezes during the Airwaves remix. My girlfriend (who never really listened to them and who is a big fan of techno) got bored quite soon, except after TEE, when she told me "that one was not bad". - -------- OK. I could go on and on like that for a while, but I think you get the picture. 15 years ago, these people claimed to be influenced by James Brown. Now they're influenced by market rules. 15 years ago, AFAIR, gigs were really hot and groovy : you had the feeling that these guys were really playing, and that anything could happen. And all the audience was dancing. Now they just deliver a digestified package gig, a slide-show with soundtrack, straight from the freezer. They looked like Frank Sinatra playing "Strangers in the Night" for the 257th time in Las Vegas. The live mix concept drove them to a dead end. Furthermore, I think that they're mainly faking ! I carefully checked their hands (at least in Linz, coz I was sitting at the bacony with a good view of the set) : these guys are almost playing nothing ! Only Ralf plays the main theme of some songs on his keyboard. At times, it's clear that Florian was doing something, for he pressed one of his pedals and a new sound was added to the mix. I really think that most of the stuff is not on tape, but is stored somewhere as MIDI files and MIDI sequences, and the only thing they do is to trigger / stop sequences and patterns. In Linz, after the video mistake at the beginning of Music Non Stop, it was clear that all the rythmic patterns started as soon as the right video started. Of course, they have access to the same samples on the kbrds (and they used it to fill in the blanks before the video starts), but anyway, very few is played live. At least, in 81 and 91, the first rows of the audience was allowed to press buttons of their pocket instruments (in 81, I personnally pressed a key on Florian's device, and it triggered some bleep on the gear behind). Now it doesn't really mean anything anymore. I'm sure that most of the gig was fake. Even PC (at least in Karlsruhe, for in Linz I noticed some relationship between what Ralf was playing and the main melody). Finally, it really wasn't worth driving 2500 km for that. To tell the truth, I feel as much disapointed as after the Residents' Mole show tour in summer 81 : after that, I never listened to them again. I think I'm gonna put my KW stuff aside for a while... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:54:33 +0000 From: jbv Subject: (kw) PS : four robots and two funerals Forgot to tell you : When the russian lyrics of Robots were displayed on the screen, my girlfriend noticed TWO mistakes. Such perfectionnists... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:03:43 CEST From: "Florian Schneider" Subject: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain O.K. It’ s time to drop the Florian antivirus to the list. It was great to be a member of the group for a day, but I am also a serious member of this list on another address (won’t tell you which, in case of flames), so I never intended to pull this charade further than this. The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers to the list that the new record is available in Düsseldorf and things like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as well!) I’ m also glad that most of you found it funny too, supposing it wasn’t the big ”F” himself. A special apology to ROBOT, I know you were hoping maybe more than anybody else, I would surely hope it to be the real Florian myself if I din’t know better, but this is why I send this mail now, and not later. I’m also glad that I did Chris Gross a favor, actually, It works better on hotmail for me as well than it does at the office-mail, and I’m NOT a shareholder of hotmail.com. So, this is the last e-mail Florian will send from this address to the list, but I will keep it for listening on the list when my own mails won’t come through. I hope the real guys will someday join us (maybe they are here already trying to sue me after this, or just laughing) but then I think they have to prove in someway that they are real, I think the list is even more suspicious now than ever don’t you??? KLING KLANG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:29:38 +0200 (CES) From: Andreas Wiethoff Subject: (kw) Photos of Karlsruhe ZKM gig! Hi, on saturday, I managed to sneak a camera into the ZKM gig. The (of course only partially impressive results) are at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae64/kraftwerk.html Enjoy! - -- Andreas Wiethoff E-mail: ae64@iamm06.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de WWW : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Andreas.Wiethoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:57:58 +0100 From: Thomas Subject: [none] during one of the new songs @ karlsruhe, it seemed to me as if the sounds didn=B4t work all well, and the four on stage faced each other pretty= surprised for a few seconds, did anybody have the same impression? thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:38:19 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? - -(Rafa reports)- > [SNIP] "The Internet Police" or something like that. > Of course this mail was a joke... but... > A joke from... THE BOYS? > I would like to know if anybody recived a mail like this? Hm-m-m, that's weird. I've sent 3 or 4 short messages over the past 10 months to ralf or florian -at- kraftwerk.com, wishing happy birthday or simply commenting on the page. No bounce, no reply.*shrug*. I guess I didn't bug 'em enough to get "busted" -and I'm not gonna push my luck!*HeeHee*! "Net Police"- HA! I always knew R&F were in the CIA and KGB, controling the data memory. Okay, boys, if you're monitoring, I surrender. I submit to Die MENSCH.MASCHINE! No need for handcuffs. -(unless you guys are into that sort of thing.*giggle*.)- I'll go willingly. Hook me up to your equipment and experiment on me- do anything you want. Resistance is futile. Assimilate me! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:40:18 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Florian Schneider wrote: > = > The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers= > to the list that the new record is available in D=FCsseldorf and things= > like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV > getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want= > to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as= > well!) > = No no no ! I know it was Florian for sure. I'm positive about it. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:39:25 -0700 From: dfee@juno.com (David P Fee) Subject: (kw) addresses @kraftwerk.com Hi all! I'm sure someone else will have already found these, but the following addresses were found using four11: Joachim Gola Hamburg, Germany E-Mail Address: joachim.go@kraftwerk.com Karl-Heinz Piotrowski Hamburg, Germany E-Mail Address: pio@kraftwerk.com ...Anybody know who these guys are? Maybe studio employees? This does not, of course, mean that there aren't other addresses there... they could be "unlisted" or otherwise disguised. Hmm... I don't think the real guys, R&F, would like to be bothered. Just try to imagine what it must be like to have fans as impassioned as some of us are! It must be dreadful! They probably don't read the list... they're probably afraid to! Thanks to all those lucky list members who got to see KW live and were willing to share comments on the event(s) they experienced. David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:55:41 +0200 From: "Jens Steinborn" Subject: Re:(kw) Real KW e-addresses? Hi! If you search at "www.four11.com" you get the following results: >>>Successful Search, Found 4 Matches Name E-Mail Location=20 Claudia Gerdes=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Joachim Gola=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Karl-Heinz Piotrowski=20 @kraftwerk.com=20 Peter Reelfs=20 @kraftwerk.com <<< Any idea, who these people are? Jens. - ----------------------------------------------------- "... auf kleinen Rollern, das sind fantastische Apparate" wonko, der verst=E4ndige # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:15:49 +0200 From: "Jens Steinborn" Subject: (kw) New Album :-( Hi! Today I phoned up the german promotion department of EMI and asked them about the new album of Kw and about the rumours of a release of an EP wit= h new songs before christmas. Well, I think you all know what the answer was: "we have no information about that, all what we can tell is that Kw is working on new material an= d an album will be released next time." No comment. Jens. - ----------------------------------------------------- "... auf kleinen Rollern, das sind fantastische Apparate" wonko, der verst=E4ndige # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:37:27 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:35:31 +0200 Hi there! Could anyone be kind enough to send me the OCR font (as on Computer World)? Please!! /Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:33 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Miami concert rumour > Few days ago I came across a message about Kraftwerk's appearance at > tribal gathering in Miami (march 98)...I think it was sent by Klaus > Zaepke... No, sorry, that wasn't sent by me. > any further details on that Klaus? Is it reliable and > confirmed? Definitely not confirmed, and also not very reliable, IMHO. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:34 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at http://memi.infotour.com/aktuell/konzerte/kraftwerk.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:35 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Pressespiegel The Duesseldorf edition of the German magazine "Prinz" (October issue) contains a short review of Kraftwerk's Tribal Gathering appearance. The same article (but with different pictures) can be also found in the October issues of "Meier" and "Lift". The second part of the Kraftwerk retrospective in the freebie "Play" magazine was rescheduled for the November issue. The Badische Neueste Nachrichten, 15.10.1997, contained a ZKM supplement with a preview of the Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe. This article claimed that Florian Schneider has actually *accepted* the offer for a professorship at the Hochschule fuer Gestaltung Karlsruhe, while ZKM head Prof. Klotz stated on German TV three days ago that he was only *confident* that Schneider will come to Karlsruhe. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:35 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck > However three new tracks is hardly prolific Maybe the total number of new tracks is five. I've listened to parts of the soundcheck in Karlsruhe, and I've got the impression that they played two more new songs during the soundcheck, which weren't performed at the concert. These two tracks were soundchecked before and after "Autobahn". Has anyone else heard the soundcheck? I would be interested in a second opinion. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:37:00 -0700 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Fw: Message Bounce: Fan Club?????? >For info on tour dates, releases etc....... If you hadn't noticed tours and album releases tend to be rather sporadic. mode.123 ('A lifelong Depeche Mode Fan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:12:32 -0700 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals JBV wrote a long and tedious e-mail attempting to rubbish Kraftwerk's = current activities which I am not including in this message. However, the key points seemed to be: 1) The gigs were poor Well at least you got to see both of them, for this you should be = grateful. 2) The new material is boring techno If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to bother = releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to satisfy = (their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing = it? R & F have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it = comes from so close to home.=20 If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very = bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - MANY OF US HAVE = NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 3) WWW.KRAFTWER.COM should not be used as a marketing concept on tee = shirts Putting this on tee shirts does not bother me. What does is the actual = site. I didn't realise it was genuinely owned by the band. It is utter = RUBBISH, in fact it is actually so bad that it is funny. It sets = standards which Spinal Tap never approached. Concepts like Smell the = Glove, Intravenous Demilo pale into insignificance if that web site = really is owned by the band. PLEASE GOD - this must be a joke?? Regards to all fans mode.123 (A Lifelong Depeche Mode Fan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:36 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics > When the russian lyrics of Robots were displayed on the screen, my > girlfriend noticed TWO mistakes. I guess the first one was that they wrote "Robotnik" instead of "Rabotnik"? This is most probably not a mistake, but an intentional variation of the original word. But what was the second one? 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