From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #164 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, October 22 1997 Volume 03 : Number 164 In this issue: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals (kw) "kraftwerk.com" e-mail adresses #161 / Re: (kw) Karlsruhe #161 / Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics (kw) Paper Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) KW on the list Re: (kw) Paper (kw) The True & Living God (again!--sorry!) Re: (kw) ZKM small details RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals AW: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals (kw) Net Myths (part 2) (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images Re: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 (kw) Karlsruhe (kw) Opinion Poll Results Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 AW: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Re: (kw) Re: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review Re: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? (kw) Live? (kw) Kraftwerk Books (kw) Linz and Karlruhe review Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Books Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Re: (kw) Linz and Karlsruhe review Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:39:09 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals **************** wrote: > > JBV wrote a long and tedious e-mail attempting to rubbish Kraftwerk's current activities which I am not including in this message. > No. I just expressed some personal opinions about 2 recent gigs, based on 26 years of faithful support to KW. > If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very bitter. Wow ! I didn't realize that they didn't release anything new in 11 years just because of me... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:49:01 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals **************** wrote: > If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not > to bother releasing a new album. If the people the band are > trying to satisfy (their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material > why bother releasing it? R & F have always been sensitive to > criticism, especially when it comes from so close to home. This is patently ridiculous. If they're so insecure that five or six people's opinion will sway them to release an album or not, then maybe they shouldn't be in this business any longer. Kraftwerk have always been leaders, never followers. They'll release a new album when they're good and ready, and I'm sure that my or your opinion will have little or nothing to do with it. And if they never release another album, I'll be happy with their oeuvre all the same. > 3) WWW.KRAFTWER.COM > Putting this on tee shirts does not bother me. What does is the > actual site. I didn't realise it was genuinely owned by the band. > It is utter RUBBISH, in fact it is actually so bad that it is funny. > It sets standards which Spinal Tap never approached. For someone who is worried about offending Kraftwerk, you sure don't write like it. - -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to receive unsolicited faxes." - a Microsoft registration screen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:36 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "kraftwerk.com" e-mail adresses > If you search at "www.four11.com" you get the following results: > >>>Successful Search, Found 4 Matches > Claudia Gerdes @kraftwerk.com > Joachim Gola @kraftwerk.com > Karl-Heinz Piotrowski @kraftwerk.com > Peter Reelfs @kraftwerk.com <<< > > Any idea, who these people are? Before Kraftwerk obtained the rights for kraftwerk.com, the domain was owned by the MACup company. It appears that the "four11"-database is outdated, and that the above people are MACup employees. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:14:14 GMT From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: #161 / Re: (kw) Karlsruhe on Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:07:41 +0200=20 gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) wrote: > The concert wasn't sold out and ...=20 My Ticketservice (CTS/NRW/Germny) answered my question=20 for more two more tickets simply with: "Sorry, but the=20 concert has been sold out!" :-( weeks befor starting it(!) > Christian Erz wondered in his mail why the concert > startet half an hour late. The reason is simple: > because of the small entrances and the strict security > many people didn't manage to get in till half past ten! I guess that this could be a reason of Ralf und Florian for looking sometimes so very grave and a little disappointed; their first concert in germany a lot of years ago, started with a ninety-minute-enforced-break?! - ------------------------------------------------------------ ... es wir immer weitergeh=B4n, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen... - ------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:14:15 GMT From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: #161 / Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain On 20-Okt-97 manmachine@hotmail.com wrote Kraftwerk Mailinglist Issue #161 Subject: "(kw) Content-Type: text/plain": >KLING KLANG WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN ! :=B4-) =20 robotized -- Tschak, tschak, tschak booiijngh .... iijngh, clapp -- That=B4s a very wild affair, IMAO a wow :-)Congratulation to this step.=20 >KLNIG KLANG ...withbothhandsoverthetablejumping/mitbeidenh=E4nden=FCberdentischspring= end: BTW: Want a cup of coffee? ;-) ...their would be some tiny questions >KLING KLANG BUT :( ... how we make it possible that we can accept that your are the real Florian Schneider, who we all know as a member of a (THE!) german group called _Kraftwerk_? Only your account at h*t.m=FCll.c*m .... sorry, but I just wondered about that. :) Make funny jokes again? But if you are NOT only a fake I will eat my stereo and myself,too >;-)! - ------------------------------------------------------- *** Hast Du keine Antenne, guckst Du nur! ;-) *** =20 TAFN&CYL8R - - - email: c.erz@ndh.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:03:34 +0200 From: Oli Hebel Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig Gerd Knochenhauer wrote: > Hi again, > ... I feel like I am the only one who was a little > bit disappointed by the concert in > Karlsruhe. No, you are not the only one who is disappointed a little bit. The Karlsruhe-gig was the fourth KW that I saw (incl. Düsseldorf & Frankfurt '91 & Osnabrück '93) and this show was the worst they played. It started with this security-procedure at this two little entrance- doors. (But they didn't search good enough for my MD-Walkman and my girlfriends camera.) :) It took about 40 mins to get into the building! Then inside it was so crowded that nothing would have happened to you if you fall asleep. At last the sound quality was so bad. Loads! of heavy deep bass produced with too little speakers, only little midrange (did anybody notice that nearly all songs were played instrumental and the rare vocals were very hard to hear!? Did you notice, that imediately when Ralf started to sing something, his mic and the speakers began to produce heavy interferences!? Let's hope that the forthcoming gigs (if there will be some) will be better in organisation and performance. Regards, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:28:10 +0200 From: Timour Jgenti Subject: Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I guess the first one was that they wrote "Robotnik" instead of > "Rabotnik"? This is most probably not a mistake, but an intentional > variation of the original word. Yes, I think it's intentional, to morph the original word with the word "robot": rabotnik + robot = robotnik :-) Though actually it's not gramatically correct in russian and sounds weird... > But what was the second one? I guess (if the video was the same as in Luton) that the second error was the G letter in the word "sluga" which was inversed. It normally looks like a capital greek gamma, and KW mirrored it... Tim - -- timour.jgenti@hol.fr ------------------- timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------- http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:06:23 -0500 From: Noah Gelb Subject: (kw) Paper Hello all, I'm doing a research paper on Kraftwerk. I plan to study the group, their music, their influences, and who they influenced themselves. If anyone knows of any good research material for the group (preferably books/magazines, not just websites) I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks, Noah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:16:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Florian Schneider wrote: > The KLING KLANG message was addressed to all of you who tells newcomers= =20 > to the list that the new record is available in D=FCsseldorf and things= =20 > like that, therefore It is of great entertainmentvalue to see old JBV=20 > getting hooked like a hungry fish on this mail. HA HA! (not that I want= =20 > to put a stop to jokes like that or this, but just to pull your legs as= =20 > well!) Way to go! I for one appreciate your little table-turning, though I wish=20 people would stop jerking us around about the new album. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:31:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW on the list On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, jbv wrote: > Frankly, do you think that a band who > - released an album called Computer World 15 years ago > - has an official Web site > - selles T-shirts with www.KW.com > is not aware of this list ? Quite likely they're not. There is computer life outside the Internet, you know. I think KW are probably aware enough of the Internet to think that they should have a WWW presence, but I doubt that they are "into" it or will be more involved with it than that. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Paper On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Noah Gelb wrote: > I'm doing a research paper on Kraftwerk. I plan to study the group, their > music, their influences, and who they influenced themselves. If anyone > knows of any good research material for the group (preferably > books/magazines, not just websites) I'd really appreciate the help. Hey, neat. I did the same thing on a smaller scale for a music history presentation I had to make a few years ago. The best source of information is this list itself. That is to say, the archive at ftp.xmission.com in /pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive/. If you grep through enough postings you'll find references to magazine articles you can look up at the library. That's what I did. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:48:30 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The True & Living God (again!--sorry!) >>> Before Kraftwerk obtained the rights for kraftwerk.com, the domain was owned by the MACup company. It appears that the "four11"-database is outdated, and that the above people are MACup employees. <<< Did you register with the site? If you do, the only thing you have to do is allow them to add your e-address to their list. That way you get more listings. BTW, in the US, you-know-who released yet ANOTHER album (his 2nd this year!) today (Tuesday), called "Come to Daddy" on Warp/Sire/WEA Records (31001). It features the then-unknown cut ("Bucephalus Bouncing Ball") he played at the concert with the dancing/fighting overgrown teddy bears. Now if only KW could take a hint, naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:56:33 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM small details >>> None of this is real. I'm stuck in a HoloDeck program.... <<< Great idea for a Star Trek episode! Have the four gods appear! It boggles the mind! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:37:45 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals >2) The new material is boring techno >If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to bother >releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to satisfy (their >'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing it? R & F >have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it comes from >so close to home. >If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very >bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - >MANY OF US HAVE NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES >FOR EVERYONE ELSE. C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many fans". Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:16 +0200 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? these are just the entries concerning kraftwerk.com on the RIPE database. to access the database you may use your nearest "entrypoint": http://www.nic.fr or go directly to: http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois reagards, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Arnaud de Bonald [SMTP:bonald@worldnet.fr] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 1997 05:11 An: Andreas Schepers Betreff: Re: AW: (kw) Mailing to "kraftwerk.com"? On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:51:25 +0200, Andreas Schepers wrote: > >whois kraftwerk.com: > > >KlingklangR Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz KRAFTWERK2-DOM >Hochstrasse 24 >Dortmund, D-44149 Where did you get this informations on kraftwerk.com? I mean, which site offerts this possibility? - ------------------------------------------------------------ Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France, Europe Home Page / Page personnelle: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald My own Music Page / Mes créations musicales: http://www.chez.com/adb - ------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:24:24 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Sch=E4der Eric wrote: >C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it >hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried >how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm >belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main >thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many >fans". > I think there a re two sides to this story. True any band with ethics will not stop a release due to commercial compromises, and this is ideally the way all 'artistic' bands want to play the game. On the other hand we all know that KW have not released new material for some years now, and this is itself is the guiding factor. You must remember that the recent appearances had possibly 1 sole intention: To gauge the reaction to the new material. This was evident particularly at Luton, where Ralf was positively scanning the audience during the new (or is it now 'old') song. I'd say another bum album like 'the mix' (flame bait) could spell an episode that suffered by boxer (yes we do say that in england scott) Ali, who made one too many 'comebacks'. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:19:30 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Net Myths (part 2) > From: "Craig Land" > > Haven't some of you heard of the phrase, 'Harmless fun'? Haven't you heard of the phrase "Bandwith waste"? ;-) > And finally, a contact of mine who ran a collectors shop in Norwich, > England has seen 12 inch vinyl copies of Technopop exchanging hands > within the industry for large sums of money. Could this be the same record dealer in Norwich who also sells so-called "Technopop demo tapes", which in fact contain the "Electric Cafe" album with "Technopop" and "Sex Object" replaced with the well-known demo versions, and with "Electric Cafe" replaced with "Tour de France"? ;-) > He remembered in 1986 seing only one copy of this record If it is the same record dealer I suspect, he's most probably a liar. If it is a different record dealer, he may have just seen an advance pressing of the "Electric Cafe" album with the track "Technopop" on it. > and is a firm beleiver that something exists, Of course he is. Record dealers would spoil their business if they wouldn't fuel such myths. > So what were some of you saying about it being hard to believe > copies of material not existing which the artist has supposedly > banned! I just say that it is hard to believe that this record dealer is not a bigmouth. There are dozens of such wannabie "Technopop" spotters around! So where are the dozens of corresponding "Technopop" albums? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:28:19 GMT From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:20:27 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:57:58 +0100 >From: Thomas >Subject: (none) >during one of the new songs @ karlsruhe, it seemed to me as if the = sounds >didn=3DB4t work all well, and the four on stage faced each other pretty=3D > surprised for a few seconds, did anybody have the same impression? Yes, if got exactly the same impression! It seems to be that either while playing pocketcalculator (Taschenrechner) the instruments they=B4ve played not work as they wanted them to play, or "the studio plays themself" again. And thats what make them looking surprised (or better _fascinated_?) Has anybody other ideas?=20 - ---------------------------------------------- __=F2 TAFN&CUL8R _ \<,_ c.erz@ndh.net _____(_)/ (_)______ go ahead! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:46:08 +0100 From: Jaime Vives Subject: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images Hi All! First, hello to everyone! I'm new to this list. The subject of this message is about some rendered images of Kraftwerk I've seen on the net, decorating some Fan sites. I'm not refering to the clasical "Electric Cafe" heads, but to some (aparently) more recent 3d renders of Kraftwerk members dressed as in "The Man Machine". Please, can anyone give me some URL for the original page for this renders (if exists!), or give any info about this? Thanks in advance! Bye! Jaime Vives Piqueres Departamento de Informatica Colegio Territorial de Arquitectos de Valencia - ---------------------------------------------- Pagina Personal/Personal Page (POVRAY images): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1090 - ---------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:58:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jaime Vives wrote: > First, hello to everyone! I'm new to this list. The subject of this message > is about some rendered images of Kraftwerk I've seen on the net, decorating > some Fan sites. I'm not refering to the clasical "Electric Cafe" heads, but > to some (aparently) more recent 3d renders of Kraftwerk members dressed as in > "The Man Machine". Please, can anyone give me some URL for the original page > for this renders (if exists!), or give any info about this? If anyone knows about this, please post it to the list or send me the info too. I've been wanting the models from the EC cover for quite a while, but new ones would do just as well. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:08:42 GMT From: c.erz@ndh.net (Christian Erz) Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:20:27 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:11:34 +0000 >From: "Klaus Zaepke" >Subject: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review > >A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at =20 > Klaus Zaepke sorry Klaus, how do _you_ know that their performance act was _not_ live? Have you checked the cables for any signals? >;-) TAFN&CUL8R=20 Chris ++++=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~industrial rhythm all around ~~~~~~~~~~~eom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:43 +0100 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe Hello all ! ! !=20 =20 There is a review of the Karlsruhe concert in the German newspaper=20 "Neue Badische Nachrichten" (I'm not sure if that is the EXACT title,=20 but=20 it is similar to that), the review is from the Monday issue (20th of=20 Oct.)=20 and contains two pictures from the concert and a small not very inter-=20 esting review of the concert, the pictures are not very good either....=20 I got the pages containing the pictures and review but not the whole=20 paper. =20 =20 I arrived from Karlsruhe yesterday evening and am now reading=20 through a couple of hundered e-mails....I managed to get a KW-poster for=20 the ZKM-concert, which is the same as the ones sold at the concert but=20 with=20 18.10.97 ZKM KARLSRUHE and a lot of details on how to buy tickets etc.=20 on=20 it!!!! (I got it at the tourist information for free!!! )=20 =20 CUL8R!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. I got the same message in my guestbook about the US-tour and the=20 new=20 song title etc. must be a joke.... (www.student.gu.se/~maka0067).......=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:37:08 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Opinion Poll Results DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU THINK IT IS WASTING BANDWIDTH, HIT YOUR DELETE BUTTON NOW. Opinion poll results on the 'Technopop' LP. The results are: 59% think it was available as a promo or acetate 25% think it never existed 16% are un-decided I apologise to all those who think I am wasting their time, or trying to resolve the existance of this record once and for all. In my mind, this exercise is no different from the poll that was taken for the KW top ten records. It's all a matter of opinion! Thanks to all the supporters who live in the real world, and not in the KW dream land. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:27:35 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #163 He's looked on their fingers... And, you can't synchronise videos and music manually as good as it has been done in the concert... Regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:38:02 +0200 From: Oliver Subject: AW: (kw) Four robots and two funerals Yeah, why would I, as an artist, worry about the feedback of the audience? Its not our problem, if they dont by our records.... I would say, for commercial reasons, they should care and I think they cared for shure. They were not always the legends they were today. I dont expect them to be rich from on the beginning of their carreer. I really would like to know, what ensures their income now. I think, by doing this ZKM concert, they are about to loose their cult status and their status of great influencers of modern music. Endless repetition of old material IS boring. And by playing this kind of new material, they are not reinventing music (on the other hand, what else, despite music, would someone expect - we had this discussion before - how music would sound in ten years or so - and it is unpredictable until you hear it) It is not, that I am totally disapointed about the concert. It had some highlights. But I saw only few improvement in comparison to their luton gig. The luton song sounded slightly different, but still seemed uncomplete and like a demo. The Aetherwellen song was dark techno, not more - not bad to listen too, but hey, I do this on my keyboard in three hours. I would not need several years to do stuff like this. The third one sounded sometimes like kindergarten music, with their silly vocoder voice samples. It had that stupid Art of Noise (we are working with samplers for our first time) sound. That is not the new material I am waiting since years now.... As professional artists and musicians they should have cared much more about the acoustics of the ZKM. I think they did not even care about simple stage basics. This and much more (if I would think more about that), makes me afraid, that Kraftwerk have lost their spirit and should stop performing, before everything is gone. Oliver > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Schader Eric [SMTP:eric.schader@gambro.se] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 1997 08:38 > An: 'kraftwerk@xmission.com' > Betreff: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals > > > > >2) The new material is boring techno > >If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to > bother >releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to > satisfy (their >'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother > releasing it? R & F >have always been sensitive to criticism, especially > when it comes from >so close to home. > > C'mon, perspective please !!!!! Do you believe this your self? I find it > hard to believe that Kraftwerk at any point of their career have worried > how their albums would be received by their "fans" and others. My firm > belief is that they have their idea and concept and that is their main > thing, not that "how do we release an album that won't upset to many > fans". > > Regards > Eric > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:58:12 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: (kw) MEMI Karlsruhe review > >A review of the Karlsruhe concert (in German) can be found at > http://memi.infotour.com/aktuell/konzerte/kraftwerk.html > > sorry Klaus, > how do _you_ know that their performance act was _not_ live? Sorry Christian, how do you know that this is my opinion, while the MEMI review was signed with "Sylvia Sommerfeld"? > Have you checked the cables for any signals? >;-) You don't need to check cables to know that music can't be played live when the musicians barely move their hands during the concert. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:21:29 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Rendered Kraftwerk Images On 22-Oct-97, Jaime Vives wrote: >"The Man Machine". Please, can anyone give me some URL for the original page >for this renders (if exists!), or give any info about this? I haven't seen any actual renderings yet, but if you want to make your own you can find a Kraftwerk-head (it looks like Florian) on Aminet under the '3dobj' section. I'll look up the exact name and address of the file and list it later today. By the way, I just started my own site yesterday (the 'UTILITY GALLERY' at www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281), which has two rendered images inspired by KW. Unfortunately that's _all_ it has at the moment, but I will be adding more material as soon as possible! - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:25:46 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? FAQ file maintainer Kevin Busby and I have noticed that the volumes 1 and 2 of the archives for the Kraftwerk mailing list were recently re-arranged, making all the references in the FAQ file and also some of the links in my "Kraftwerk Online Library" more or less useless. So we would like to ask if there is still an alternative mirror site somewhere, which carries the digests in their original form. Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:32:38 +0200 From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Live? I have been to three concerts and they never moved their hands a lot. In 1981 Bartos and Flur played some drum machines with rhythm sticks but Ralf and Florian only now and then turned some knobs. Since then they digitalized their studio as fa as I know and know they only have to push some buttons to call the sounds they want from their hard disk or whatever it is saved on. And by they way they don't try to hide the fact, that they don't have to to do a lot on stage. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:51:54 -0400 From: tadream Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Books I would like to ask what books on Kraftwerk can I get at the book store these days? I mean books that are usually available. Thnx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:30:22 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) Linz and Karlruhe review you can find an article of Kraftwerk at : http://www.spiegel.de Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Books >I would like to ask what books on Kraftwerk can I get at the book store >these days? >I mean books that are usually available. >Thnx AFAIK, the only actual book written specifically about Kraftwerk is the infamous _Kraftwerk: Man, Machine, and Music_ written by Pascal Bussy and published by SAF which has been discussed on the mailing list at great length. Kraftwerk has certainly been mentioned in other books which deal with electronic music or music history, but as of the present I don't know there to be any other books written about KW exclusively. - -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Am Heimcomputer sitz ich hier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:22:54 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Florian Schneider wrote: >=20 > O.K. It=92 s time to drop the Florian antivirus to the list. Why is it that good ole Jules did no comment on this? :-) Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:28:30 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: Re: (kw) Linz and Karlsruhe review > you can find an article of Kraftwerk at : > http://www.spiegel.de > > Claudio of course it's an article about Kraftwerk ;-) Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:30:14 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Content-Type: text/plain Thorsten Dowe wrote: >Florian Schneider wrote: >>=20 >> O.K. It=92 s time to drop the Florian antivirus to the list. > >Why is it that good ole Jules did no comment on this? > >:-) > hehehe, I've been too busy disinfecting both my computer, and my hands in case the florian virus hits me! Actually the only person I know who would LOVE to be infected by =46lorian, is our dear ROBOT! ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #164 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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