From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #165 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Friday, October 24 1997 Volume 03 : Number 165 In this issue: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals AW: (kw) addition to the list Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics (kw) Kling Klang Klong! (kw) Guestbook (kw) re: rendered stuff Re: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck Re: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck (kw) talking for free (kw) Flur interview Re: (kw) talking for free RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals + opinion poll Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals + opinion poll Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals (kw) some karlsruhe remarks (kw) KW in DIE WOCHE was: More Press Reviews (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? Re: (kw) Emil Schult Re: (kw) This & That ON topic! Re: (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? (kw) "Metropolis" question Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! Re: AW: (kw) addition to the list Re: (kw) Kling Klang Klong! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:07:42 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:12:32 -0700 **************** writes: > > >JBV wrote a long and tedious e-mail attempting to rubbish Kraftwerk's >= >2) The new material is boring techno >If the band reads messages on this list they may decide not to bother >= >releasing a new album. If the people the band are trying to satisfy = >(their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing >= >it? R & F have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it >= >comes from so close to home.=20 > >If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very >= >bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - MANY OF US HAVE >= >NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. > this is truely the dumbest post ive read on a mailing list in a long time.....blind idolatry at its worst....unbelievable.... tom w np: orb live in denver 1997 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:01:48 -0200 From: Marcos Tarquiano Vicente Subject: AW: (kw) addition to the list > The list of people below ARE these guests. > Here's my addition to the list : > 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com > 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de > 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com > 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net > 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net > 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se > 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at > 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl > 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de > 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com > 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de > 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no > 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl > 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl > 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl > 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl > 17 Maureen Jansen - > 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl > 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de > 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org > 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se > 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se > 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se > 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se > 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org > 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org > 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se > 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se > 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de > 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch > 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk > 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br > 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg > 34 Denise Chong } > 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list ;= ) > 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de > 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de > 38 \ > 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr > 40 / > > 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK := ) > 42 Bob Weustink bwe@xs4all.nl > 43 Jerry Withers jerry.withers@pn.siemens.de > 44 Marcos Vicente(Brazil) mvicente@bn.com.br Autobahn Project Lyrics Page - =20 a page dedicated to all 80's bands influenced by Kraftwerk (only =20 Technopop, Industrial, EBM, Goth, Electro and New Romantic bands) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9538 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:55:47 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics On 21-Okt-97 A.D., Timour Jgenti carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) The Russian "Robots" lyrics": >Klaus Zaepke wrote: >> >> I guess the first one was that they wrote "Robotnik" instead of >> "Rabotnik"? This is most probably not a mistake, but an intentional >> variation of the original word. >Yes, I think it's intentional, to morph the original >word with the word "robot": rabotnik + robot = robotnik :-) >Though actually it's not gramatically correct in russian >and sounds weird... Robotnik (PObOTHNK, looks weird not using a cyrillian font...) _is_ the correct russian spelling - it's only _pronounced_ "rabotnik". Dunno about the grammar... - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2097 17:45:11 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Kling Klang Klong! 1st: I still have the KLANG 1997 4 x 12" Box set here, any enquiries? Do they play live? Well.. it's the man-machine isn't it? PROOF: In The 1991 Brixton concert (if anyone has a tape, Jules!) You can hear a definite error where Fritz or Fernado 'plays' the morse code section during the stripped down instrumental break before promptly stopping when he realises his mistake... it only lasts a couple of seconds though... Live drums were also used in the Model during this tour, and I also heard the odd rhythm mistake in Leicester 92. Additionally, in Brixton 91 during "Music Non Stop" a brief snippet of "Computer World".. ("En-ter-tain-ment Non Stop") could be heard.. Maybe it's all triggers and loops. And "Technopop" does exist. The debate is all about wether the tapes ever left Kling Klang in their entirety.... and only a few silent people know. But the question is, surely, if a copy was pressed somewhere anywhere in the world, at least some bootlegs would have surfaced? - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:54:06 +0200 From: Mats Kadmark Subject: (kw) Guestbook > Hello, again! > > I must say that I thought the Karlsruhe concert was very nice but > I didn't like the new songs very much as I think they were very > similar to eachother and without singing, i.e. instrumental. > > > >P.S. I got the same message in my guestbook about the US-tour and the > >new song title etc. as J. Seifert, must be a joke.... (www.student.gu.se/~maka0067)....... > > Here is the complete message: Name: basztecq > E-mail: > Homepage: > Country: metropolis > Arrival: KW Webring! > Comments: > hi mats ! > very good websites !!! > nice pics / interesting infos / good links !!! > i have some news 4 u : > kw will play tribal gathering u.s.a. / miami / florida / > march `98 ! > the new song called >> tech-talk << > a new single will be released till x-mas `97 ! > the album follows next year - maybe ! > check out the concert in karlsruhe - if u can ! > they will play some new material !!! > more news after the concert !!! > greetinx from basztecq / metropolis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:06:11 PDT From: "Christopher Gross" Subject: (kw) re: rendered stuff Here is the address of an archive containing several 3D objects in Imagine format, including a generic Electric Cafe head: http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/~aminet/dirs/aminet/gfx/3dobj/Anatomy.lha It also contains some humanoid bodies to attach them to! :-) - ---- Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:34:52 +0100 From: "Conny Fornbäck" Subject: Re: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck Klaus Zaepke wrote: > These two tracks were soundchecked before and after "Autobahn". Does this mean that Kraftwerk actually played through the entire show during the soundcheck? This seems unprobable. Usually, you just play a few songs to make sure the PA-system works well. For how long did they soundcheck (bearing in mind the not-so-very-good sound during the concert). /Conny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:31:33 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) The Karlsruhe Soundcheck > > These two tracks were soundchecked before and after "Autobahn". > > Does this mean that Kraftwerk actually played through the entire show during the > soundcheck? No. They played only excerpts of some of the songs. > For how long did they soundcheck I don't remember exactly, but it was quite long, at least one hour. As far as I remember, they soundchecked the following songs: 1. Nummern / Computerwelt 2. Die Mensch-Maschine 3. (Mysterious completely new song # 1) 4. Autobahn 5. (Mysterious completely new song # 2) 6. Radioaktivitaet 7. (Second new song from the later show) Due to my weak memory I can't say with absolute certainty that they didn't soundcheck "Heimcomputer" and "Tour de France", but I don't think so. I am quite sure that they didn't soundcheck "Airwaves", which should have followed after "Autobahn". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:44:21 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) talking for free > The Aetherwellen song was dark techno, not more - not bad to listen too, > but hey, I do this on my keyboard in three hours. I would not need several > years to do stuff like this. > sure ? , please delight us with your art and make it. I'll gladly hear it. - ------- I only can say one thing (as i've not been at the concerts): The entire set of tickets was sold (please correct me if i'm wrong) If they pretend to analyze the concerts to release or not their CD they only can check this, they can't guess if every person there liked what they were doing (well, they still can't) And i should say more, i don't mind what all of you can say, if they come to Spain , i'll go to see them, and if they release a single or CD, i'll buy it. If anyone don't like it, simply don't hear it, i'm fed up of hearing everyday on the radio the bloody "Oasis" and everyday i have to change the channel, but i don't go saying "hey! i hate Oasis...", cause i'm sure that you don't mind. - ------------------------ space for self publicity - ------------------------ blah, blah, blah, blah, .... blah. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:51:38 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) Flur interview I have an interview to W. Flur from Future Music (Spain) if anyone is interested i could try to translate it to English. Maybe i could post it including the scanned original with photo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:01:49 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) talking for free Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > > The Aetherwellen song was dark techno, not more - not bad to listen too, > > but hey, I do this on my keyboard in three hours. I would not need several > > years to do stuff like this. > > > > sure ? , please delight us with your art and make it. I'll gladly > hear it. > > ------- > > I only can say one thing (as i've not been at the concerts): > The entire set of tickets was sold (please correct me if i'm wrong) > > If they pretend to analyze the concerts to release or not their CD > they only can check this, they can't guess if every person there > liked what they were doing (well, they still can't) > > And i should say more, i don't mind what all of you can say, if > they come to Spain , i'll go to see them, and if they release a > single or CD, i'll buy it. > > If anyone don't like it, simply don't hear it, i'm fed up of hearing > everyday on the radio the bloody "Oasis" and everyday i have to > change the channel, but i don't go saying "hey! i hate Oasis...", > cause i'm sure that you don't mind. > Well, in many ways you are perfectly right. The only thing (and the main reason IMHO why the new songs were disapointing) is that there was no concept behind, which is, you will certainly agree on this, quite unusual from a band like KW... Even in The Mix, they carefully changed the lyrics of RA so that no confusion could be made regarding their attitude towards nuclear energy... So, to give you an idea of our feeling after hearing the new songs, you can imagine hearing the song RA for the first time, but without the lead melody, without lyrics, without any picture / graphics / video and without knowing the title. Get the picture ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:19:16 -0700 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Four robots and two funerals + opinion poll Tom w, I can understand your reaction to my e-mail, none the less I think you = misunderstood the underlying message. Lets remember that Kraftwerk is a = unique band, therefore, without peers or rivals. There are 2 key points = which need to be remembered when we discuss the new material. 1) Many albums now considered classics were greeted with a mixed = reaction by people when they were first released. An album only receives = 'Classic' status over time, once the songs have had time to mature. The = same applies to the new tracks which Kraftwerk have played at their = recent gigs - they may yet be considered classics. 2) The new material has only been played at venues where the sound = quality has been poor. Indeed fans have said that even some of = Kraftwerks acclaimed classic tracks sounded ordinary because of the = acoustic problems. Played on CD these tracks may sound significantly = better. We should all try to view the new material in a positive light and offer = encouragement and offer thanks to the band for continuing to take = musical risks. The reputation of RH and FS will only be tarnished by the = constant sniping of fans. If RH and FS are reading this I would say to = them - "Please release the new material. If there isn't enough for an = album release another EP. Do not let detractors blow you off course - = they are in a minority. Your status as the GODS of Techno and House is = assured. Show those upstarts out there who's the greatest. Please, = please GET that new material into the shops now. The sooner you release = it, the sooner we will be talking of it as a classic" mode.123 (A Lifelong Depeche Mode Fan) >> If the people the band are trying to satisfy =3D >>(their 'fans') are ultra critical of new material why bother releasing = >>it? R & F have always been sensitive to criticism, especially when it=20 >>=3D >>comes from so close to home.=3D20 >>If the album is scrapped due to people like JBV I for one will be very = >>bitter. JBV AT LEAST YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEW MATERIAL - MANY OF US HAVE = >>NOT. PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THE CHANCES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >this is truely the dumbest post ive read on a mailing list in a long >time.....blind idolatry at its worst....unbelievable.... >tom w # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:48:38 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals + opinion poll **************** wrote: > We should all try to view the new material in a positive > light and offer encouragement and offer thanks to the > band for continuing to take musical risks. Not if the music isn't any good or very risky. I haven't heard the new material myself (except for the video clip from Tribal Gathering), but I think that your worries about whether Kraftwerk care about our opinions are way off base. Whether or not Kraftwerk knows about this mailing list, people should be free to speak their own minds, positive or negative. If you disagree with an opinion of mine, feel free to say so. However, if you think I shouldn't express my opinion, then I suggest you avoid open forums like this one and start a mailing list where all anyone does is praise every note Kraftwerk ever produced to high heaven. I guarantee you, it'll be much less interesting than this one. > The reputation of RH and FS will only be tarnished by the > constant sniping of fans. Kraftwerk's reputation stands or falls on the collective interpretation of their body of work. Two or three people's opinions amount to a drop in the bucket. What do you care, anyways? - -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to receive unsolicited faxes." - a Microsoft registration screen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:06:38 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Four robots and two funerals On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:19:16 -0700 **************** writes: >Tom w, > >I can understand your reaction to my e-mail, none the less I think you >= >misunderstood the underlying message. Lets remember that Kraftwerk is >a = >unique band, therefore, without peers or rivals. There are 2 key >points = >which need to be remembered when we discuss the new material. > .......................2 irrelevant key points snipped................................ > >We should all try to view the new material in a positive light and >offer = >encouragement and offer thanks to the band for continuing to take = >musical risks. The reputation of RH and FS will only be tarnished by >the = >constant sniping of fans. If RH and FS are reading this I would say >to = >them - "Please release the new material. If there isn't enough for an >= >album release another EP. Do not let detractors blow you off course - >= >they are in a minority. Your status as the GODS of Techno and House is >= >assured. Show those upstarts out there who's the greatest. Please, = >please GET that new material into the shops now. The sooner you >release = >it, the sooner we will be talking of it as a classic" > well apparently the only positive thing the person who reviewed the show had to say about the new songs were that they werent that good...hes entitled to his opinion number one, and two, who gives a rats ass about kws reputation? "tarnished by the sniping of fans"? "gods of techno and house"? christ, get a life...were talking about an album here....ill take jv's honesty anyday before this blind, drooling, u walk on water attitude...id hate to hear what u have to say about depeche mode.... tom w np: pink floyd - raving and drooling (the bootleg) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:38:19 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) some karlsruhe remarks hi, after a couple of days with a lot of thoughts about the karlsruhe-gig i want to tell you guys what's my impression of the concert. - - list member meeting in front of blue cube i felt disappointed that only a few of the 4x-list were able to join the meeting (greetings to dolf, henning, eric wisse, andreas) - - entrance procedure we've been waiting since 6:30 in front of the right entrance. at 7:45 the 'gods' of the security opened the doors. at 8:55! the first people were allowed to enter the zkm - - merchandising i've bought some official shirts and the official poster inside and some bootleg poster and one bootleg shirt after the gig outside. i don't wear that stuff nor do i hang up the posters but those things will always remind me of a great weekend - - xenia moscwa strange music, beautiful girl, very young. she was very astonished after 10:00 when the crowd starts screaming and complaining. - - the gig sound i've been standing very close to the soundboard, trying not to crumple the poster, but the sound was good imho. even the 'dolby surround' was well done and impressive. the worst thing was the 'thin' voice of ralf whose mike seemed to be damaged. his voice was nealy unreadable all the time. mood no 'hello', no 'good bye', no emotions, nothing at all. the whole atmosphere was so numb, i've never been so cold during any other concert then last saturday. the dominating blue and red colour, the four pale engineers...ghostlike. live music well...it seemed to me that there wasn't any live music. everthing is stored somewhere (disc, midi etc. i dunno) and those four guys doing nothing but pressing buttons. at least 50% of the spoken words were not live (vocoder etc.). sometimes florian seemed to be bored by doing nothing except glancing at the other guys. the one who looked the busiest was the guy next to florian. during 'robots' no one was one stage and the music sounded as good as before (with the guys). so, what are they really doing on stage?? technical problems the robots were already dancing but hidden by the video screens for 2 or 3 minutes. during 'pocket calculator' the machine of the guy next to florian seemed to be out of order. he pressed one button a couple of times but only two or three tones were heard. they improvised a few loops and finally his machine worked and 'by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody' videos the worst video support in 16 years. except some 'real videos' during 'tour de france', 'tee', 'autobahn' and 'musique non stop' only characters in c-64-style, oscillation, stupid something (during 'homecomputer') or nothing. we're in the 3d-age and they showed us that crap... new songs air waves - great, really, i love that song (does that incicate a mix II?) 2nd song - the crowd was quiet during and after that song (less applause than for the other songs), very incomplete, no concept, just improvisation luton song - a good song, a little bit too much improvisation in the middle of the song to make it clear: it was a great show imho espacially after such a long time but...compared to the other kw-concerts i've been before it was not their best gig. especially for the u.s.-listies: i know that most of you haven't seen them even once but most of the europeans did (more than once). therefore we compare this gig with our experiences in the last 16 years and...it could have been better. regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:33:40 +0200 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) KW in DIE WOCHE was: More Press Reviews in addition to klaus' posting i'll quote the article from "DIE WOCHE". take klaus' posting also as english summery of the article. for those reader who understand german, it may be interesting to read it: "KONZERT DER WOCHE Knapp 5000 Besucher feierten es wie einen aesthetischen Quantensprung: Kraftwerks Konzert zur Eroeffnung des Karlsruher Zentrums fuer Kunst und Medientechnologie war seit Jahren der erste Auftritt der Duesseldorfer Kultband in der Heimat. Obwohl nur auf der offiziellen Website angekuendigt (was it ? -as), waren die Karten fuer die Veranstaltung seit Monaten ausverkauft. Das Publikum bestand dann auch mehr aus badischen Cyberpunks und pfaelzischen Netsurfern als aus den ueblichen Adabeis und Avantgarde-Veteranen (*lol* -as). Kraftwerk nutzten die Gunst der Stunde und praesentierten ihr demonstrativ live (!!! -as) gespieltes Programm als digital synchronisierte Zeitreise von den Schlagworten der 70er Jahre ("Autobahn", "Radioaktivitaet") bis zu neuen Stuecken, deren Titel Geheimnisse blieben. Wenn jetzt auch noch das für 1998 angekuendigte Album erscheint und die dazugehoerige Tour beginnt, dann duerften sich die vier "Mensch-Maschienen" von Kraftwerk auch international wieder in den Mittelpunkt der (Pop-)Kultur katapultiert haben. " Die Woche, 24. Oktober 1997, Seite 61 (-as) komments added by myself... after having read all these press-articles and postings, i think carsten is right. those 3 concerts this year have been just a test for a real tour in 1998. i am looking forward to a kw-performance in a better concert-arena and a better audience that also dances and gets more excited.... so far, andreas - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH Information Design Schubertstraße 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Klaus Zaepke [SMTP:fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 1997 19:52 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) More Press Reviews The current issues of Rheinischer Merkur and Die Woche contain reviews of the recent Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe. The Die Woche review states that a new album plus tour are scheduled for 1998. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:22:03 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? > FAQ file maintainer Kevin Busby and I have noticed that the > volumes 1 and 2 of the archives for the Kraftwerk mailing list were > recently re-arranged, making all the references in the FAQ file and > also some of the links in my "Kraftwerk Online Library" more or less > useless. So we would like to ask if there is still an alternative > mirror site somewhere, which carries the digests in their original > form. I suggest looking at the original archive site for kraftwerk files: ftp.uwp.edu Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:13:22 +0200 From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Emil Schult Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > Put Emil Schuldt back with the band! (Anyone seen his new exhibition > > by the way?) > > I haven't seen his exhibition, but I have seen adverts for > some Emil Schult "merchandise", which was apparently recently made: I seen it, we went to Dusseldorf after the Karlsruhe concert to look at the Kling Klang studio (Ofcourse) and visit Emils exhibition. > 1) A CD, titled "Musik (1977) und Bilder 97", handpainted from > Emil Schult (the cover as well as the actual CD), limited to 500 > copies. > Price: DM 95,00 Yep, I signed my self up for one of this CD's and payed too... > 2) Four bottles of red whine, labels painted and signed by Emil > Schult. > Price: DM 120,00 After a while at this little exhibition, Emil showed up!!!! And when we left, he gave us 2 bottles of wine for the trip back home to sweden! I must say Emil was a VERY nice person ;D And his art is realy stunning, I hope he will be famous for his art aswell as beeing a very important part of Kraftwerk. Some quotes from Emil: "I have a great theme for Kraftwerks next album" "I think it's fun now when Kraftwerk starts touring again" //Robert - I will scan some images later... :D - -- - - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:46 +0000 From: gpareja@cica.es Subject: Re: (kw) This & That ON topic! > Second: It is NOT possible to make the same songs even with the > right (and VERY rare) equipment, 'cos none of you are H=FCtter or > Schneider. Even if you had the gear you would not be able to create > the very unique ambience from KW - 'cos they don't use conventional > methods of creating sounds. And THATS why they sound like they do! > It is of need to have a very special feeling for what you are doing > or else the result will sound bloodless. Just to give an example: > Everybody around me reacts to what I'm doing - If I'm having a load > of fun while producing - It shows in the music! If I'm bored - > Well... So my impression is: Anybody telling me that he/she can do > what KW is doing on a homekeyboard in x hours probably thinks that a > Soundblaster General Midi-file sounds fantastic...Fucking > Bullshit!!! you are totally right, there are many "genius" around thinking about techno: "bah, i do it in three hours..." And i say: i'll believe it when i hear it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:09:43 +0200 From: Miguel Angel Esteban Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk mailing list archives? At 23:22 23/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >I suggest looking at the original archive site for kraftwerk files: >ftp.uwp.edu Sorry but there's about 6 months this FTP site is out ;( Miguel wwWWww [o][o] - ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : maec@arrakis.es Website: http://www.arrakis.es/~maec Price per issue: 150 pesetas ========================================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 8:42:57 -0400 From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: (kw) "Metropolis" question Does anyone have a MIDI file of "Metropolis"? If not, can you at least tell me what notes constitute the main theme? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:38:31 +0200 From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: Re: (kw) Phenomenal Linz Gig! lbo@pop3.iol.it wrote: > also, I remember in the Grassina concert to have spotted during the > soundcheck a guy that look something like Ralf (and definitely with > the crew) but that obviusly was not him, in company of a splendid > blonde woman, both wearing elegant black leather suit. could him > have been Emil Schult? did spendid black leathered blonde woman show > off in the Linz occasion? > ---------------- Emil said he hadn't seen them at Linz or Karlsruhe... //Robert - But he has a lovely blonde girlfriend that is quite young! - -- - - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:08 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: AW: (kw) addition to the list Marcos Tarquiano Vicente wrote: >> The list of people below ARE these guests. >> > Here's my addition to the list : >> 1 Carsten Bolte DepecheCBI@aol.com >> 2 Dirk Fellhauer D.Fellhauer@Fh-Worms.de >> 3 Roland Metzger Roland_Metzger@compuserve.com >> 4 Leon Mols Imols@pi.net >> 5 Adam (L) Read adamr@world.net >> 6 Dennis Berggren dennis@octoprod.se >> 7 Josef Gabler josefgabler@magnet.at >> 8 Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl >> 9 Harald Westphal unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de >> 10 Bas van Reeuwijk W.B.vanReeuwijk@research.kpn.com >> 11 Oliver Hebel olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de >> 12 Morten Moen mmoen@sn.no >> 13 Dolf Wiemer twingo@xs4all.nl >> 14 Judith van der Veer judithvdv@freemail.nl >> 15 Hil Boorsma boorsma@tn.tudelft.nl >> 16 Bob Smeets admosam@xs4all.nl >> 17 Maureen Jansen - >> 18 Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl >> 19 Joerg-Stefan Sell jss@onestone.de >> 20 Anders Wilhelm trafo@analogue.org >> 21 Carl-Johan Rasch calle@ixcjr.uniweb.se >> 22 Ola Andersson rand@ling.umu.se >> 23 Anders Eriksson anderse@ling.umu.se >> 24 Rickard Hidefj=E4ll ma94rhi@tdb.uu.se >> 25 Morgan Karlsson network@analogue.org >> 26 Rickard Klasic rick@analogue.org >> 27 Conny Fornb=E4ck conny.annica@wineasy.se >> 28 Mats Kadmark mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se >> 29 Thomas Weckert tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de >> 30 Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch >> 31 Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >> 32 EDUARDO MONTEIRO (BRASIL) 97fm@colatina.com.br >> 33 Monique Chong} usura@pacific.net.sg >> 34 Denise Chong } >> 35 Bettina Hartnacke beha@net-media.de (not on mailing list = ;) >> 36 Andreas Schepers schepers@net-media.de >> 37 joerg ferber ferber@uni-muenster.de >> 38 \ >> 39 -> jbv + 2 friends (including one girl) = jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr >> 40 / >> >> 41 Robert Krenn robert.k@daltekvision.se (aka RobertK = :) >> 42 Bob Weustink bwe@xs4all.nl >> 43 Jerry Withers jerry.withers@pn.siemens.de >> > 44 Marcos Vicente(Brazil) mvicente@bn.com.br > bloody hell! you better hurry, or you won't make it in time! hehehehehehe ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' #Kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:40:17 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kling Klang Klong! Mark Reed wrote: > And "Technopop" does exist. The debate is all about wether the tapes no doubt about it. i suspect r & f have many kilometers of tape containing unreleased material but we'll never hear it. > ever left Kling Klang in their entirety.... and only a few silent people well, there's only the two tracks we know of so i guess you've answered your own question. > know. But the question is, surely, if a copy was pressed somewhere > anywhere in the world, at least some bootlegs would have surfaced? you bet your life some bootlegs would have surfaced. there probably IS a dusty pile of multitrack tapes labeled 'technopop' lying under ralf's bed, however the idea that test pressings where made or the album released then quickly withdrawn is, quite frankly, ridiculous. i'd loved to be proved wrong, but i honestly believe the two demo tracks we've already heard are the only kraftwerk recordings from those sessions that ever left their possesion (until KW-ML Commando raid kling klang studio that is! hehe) :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #165 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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