From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #421 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 02 : Number 421 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:54:34 -0700 From: David Mesarch Subject: (orbital) OT: Song ID - Sorry :-( Hey guys! I normally don't post to the list (especially for this kinda stuff), but I'm really going nuts trying to figure out what song this is. I need help IDing a song. The sample in the song says, "Get next to the opposite sex, Get close to the opposite sex." Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mail me back privately at digger@jorsm.com . Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:12:46 +0100 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orbital) OT: Song ID - Sorry :-( I believe it's by Scanty Sandwich (from memory)... Judge Jules has played it quite a few times... l8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > Hey guys! I normally don't post to the list (especially for this kinda > stuff), but I'm really going nuts trying to figure out what song this is. > > I need help IDing a song. The sample in the song says, "Get next to the > opposite sex, Get close to the opposite sex." Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Mail me back privately at digger@jorsm.com . Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:00:02 +0100 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Define music >>nob? is that a british thing? its more like an english thing. its another word for someone who acts like a prick :) but its a more of a friendly pal kind of insult...so dont take it to heart. >there was an interview with 1/2 of autechre (can't remember if it >was rob or sean) posted to idm-l where they talked about how they're >creating music these days - basically they're writing little codes in >max/msp that create iterative, ever-changing loops of sound that they >just >let evolve for a while, and then call that a track. here's my response >to >that: pbpbpptphthptt!!! that's not music! So you are saying that unless music is written in a more conventional way then it's not music. Do you think we would have moved to the electronica era with that kind of attitude? I remember when people used to slate a live band because they wasn't playing instruments - what you are saying is like the next stage of this kind of theory. Music isn't music unless its written in a particular way - that's bollox my friend...don't set rules - why on earth would you want to set rules? Always remember an interview is appropriate at that moment in time - they may compose in a different way now, they may not...I just don't see the point in knowing myself. If you had never read this interview, would that mean you have a different attitude and stop blowing raspberry's at two very clever blokes! Listen to yourself - music snobbery ? Its similar to a few threads I read on Loopz forums...they didn't like certain tracks because it was called a certain name - mad and weird attitude to have. Their loss. i love a rant :) Loopz www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:39:47 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Define music "Price, Steve A" wrote: > > So you are saying that unless music is written in a more conventional way > then it's not music. Do you think we would have moved to the electronica era > with that kind of attitude? I remember when people used to slate a live band > because they wasn't playing instruments - what you are saying is like the > next stage of this kind of theory. Music isn't music unless its written in a > particular way - that's bollox my friend...don't set rules - why on earth > would you want to set rules? Well, I think he's trying to give credit to people that actually work hard to do the music. Remember, we have to seperate the Puff Daddies from the rest of the - -real- musicians. Sure, it may be hard work to write the code for the programs that make the music, but after that, you can churn as many songs as you want. If that's the case, do as Nub says, release the code, not the music. Take credit for the code, not the music, because they didn't create the music. And, on a related note, everybody talks about how it's alright and "legal" to use mixers and drum kits and DAT tapes and anything you want in the studio, but people bitch when somebody uses a DAT in a live performance. What's up with that? Why do people think it's okay to use anything you want in a studio, but you have to play at least one instrument when you're live? And then you have the DJs. People rave about them, but when it comes down to it, all they are doing is picking some records and beat-matching them (which isn't all that hard with a little practice). They even have their own sets that they follow all the time. You think it's real-time mixing, but it's something that they've been practicing at home many times. Whatever happened to picking albums and experimenting on-stage? If you're doing this real-time, act like you're doing it real-time. Also, I think more DJs should mix what they have. Too many DJs simply let the album play and beat-match it at the end, then they let -that- album play, etc., etc. I don't think it takes 5-8 minutes just to beat-match an album. > Always remember an interview is appropriate at that moment in time - they > may compose in a different way now, they may not...I just don't see the > point in knowing myself. If you had never read this interview, would that > mean you have a different attitude and stop blowing raspberry's at two very > clever blokes! Listen to yourself - music snobbery ? What interview? > Its similar to a few threads I read on Loopz forums...they didn't like > certain tracks because it was called a certain name - mad and weird attitude > to have. Their loss. Yeah, they'll be missing out on bands like Garbage. - -- Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:49:28 -0700 From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) Define music That's because people don't bitch when musicians use DAT's. People bitch when you go to see Keoki spin a set and he passes out during a mix, but the mix still goes on without him. Because, in this situation, he was standing in front of two turntables and "air" djing. This is totally different from musicians who use a DAT, because if you think about it, using a DAT with a drumloop on it is not any different from using a drum machine with a pre-programmed beat. In both cases, they essentially press play and they have a beat. No rants saying "they do more than push one button" because they obviously do, but everyone has to realize that the majority of the work is done in the studio. It would take some very quick hands to play a breakbeat on a drum machine. take care kevin > And, on a related note, everybody talks about how it's alright and "legal" to > use mixers and drum kits and DAT tapes and anything you want in the studio, but > people bitch when somebody uses a DAT in a live performance. What's up with > that? Why do people think it's okay to use anything you want in a studio, but > you have to play at least one instrument when you're live? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:10:57 -0500 From: Noggin Subject: Re: (orbital) Define music To kind of turn the spotlight a little bit BACK to the dj, did anyone hear about Danny TEnaglia's set at the Winter Music Conference in (i believe) Miami? Mother fucker goes on at 12 and ends at 4 pm the next day. 16 hour set. That blows me the fuck away. And at the end, he gets down and dances with the crowd (or few people)... THAT is a man who really loves what he's doing and i think that is one of the most potent artistic/talent statements of all. REALLY loving what you do. but yes most djs blow, wankers. At 01:39 PM 5/14/01 -0400, you wrote: >And then you have the DJs. People rave about them, but when it comes down to >it, all they are doing is picking some records and beat-matching them (which >isn't all that hard with a little practice). They even have their own sets that >they follow all the time. You think it's real-time mixing, but it's something >that they've been practicing at home many times. Whatever happened to picking >albums and experimenting on-stage? If you're doing this real-time, act like >you're doing it real-time. > ____________________________________________________ Noggin - noggin@txcyber.com *or* nogginj@hotmail.com ICQ: 6395209 AOL: NogginJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:11:45 -0400 From: "jimmee ruckus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Define music The really great thing about all of this is that it all started from a thought. That thought provoked an action which resulted in a track. That track has now given birth to many thoughts. Some will take these thoughts and carry out an action which will hopefully result in more tracks, which means more music for all of us....keep up the good work ruckus out. - ----------[jimmee ruckus]------------------- web: http://www.silencerepellent.com email: jimmeeruckus@hotmail.com - -------------------------------------------- "The silence was so loud that I couldn't hear anything else." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:16:14 -0700 From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: (orbital) Confield & Ae Live Hey, Everyone knows that I am a very big Ae fan, and I have now heard Confield. It is the biggest disappointment I have ever heard. I have already brought the cd back to the store because I know I could never listen to it again. It sounds like a whole bunch of random noise being shot out of a computer. Absolute shit. I also saw Ae play live tonight, and they weren't performing bad, but what they were playing sounded like Confield, so basically it was shit. And, the opening act was the worst thing I have ever heard. He was playing distorted and twisted screaming and yelling over minamilist 4/4 beats and loud noises and squeals. People in the audince were plugging their ears it was so bad. But, I got to talk to Sean Booth from Ae for a while, and we talked about how they make their music. I mentioned what was said on the list, and he looked puzzled. He said that of course they use programs like soft synths and stuff, but he said that nothing is just spat out of them. Everything involves fiddling and sequencing by the two of them. He said that they write the code for their soft synths though which is pretty cool. But, he did definitly say that they use sequencers. He also mentioned that people pay too much attention to how the music is being made and not enough to what it sounds like. In the end, the only thing that really matters is whether or not you like it. take care kevin PS - He also signed my Tri Repetae cd, but I couldn't find Rob after the show. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #421 *****************************