From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #43 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, 20 December 1996 Volume 02 : Number 043 In this issue: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42 Re: David Shea Shows? Locus Solus Question Re: David Shea Re: David Shea Shows? Re: Locus Solus Question Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD jim o'rourke Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Re: jim o'rourke Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42 Misc comments Re: Misc comments Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... bloodclot? Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... Re: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42 My two cents' worth on Bloodcount. I find myself somewhere between the underwhelmed and Steve Smith. While I count myself as a "hardcore" Berne fan, I think the 3 Bloodcount discs released so far on jmt have been patchy. The version of Hemphill's great suite "Reflections" is sublime, but some of the stuff on "Memory Select" leaves me a bit cold. Nonetheless, I agree with Steve that the band is a hot one - Berne, after all, is always one to watch. By the way, Steve - did you get a new job at KFW or are you still with Koch (who distribute KFW)? Jason Bivins ------------------------------ From: Bob Boster Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:59:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: David Shea Shows? On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote: > Also kind of a side note. Does anyone know any upcoming shows of David > Shea's? Where in nyc does he usually play? ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED. > I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to find anyone who has it.. Bob ------------------------------ From: Matt Moffett Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:14:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Locus Solus Question I just picked up the Tzadik re-release of _Locus Solus_, and saw in the liner notes someone named "Whiz Kid" for doing the turntable on the last 8 tracks (recorded sept 1983). Is this a young David Shea, or is it someone else entirely? Just curious... Matt ------------------------------ From: xander@sirius.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:06:00 -0800 Subject: Re: David Shea >I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email >address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to >find anyone who has it.. Well, not everyone has e-mail, or? There's an address on the Tower of Mirrors disc where folks were invited to write for info about sample sources, etc. Send sase to: 151 First Ave. #21 NYC, NY 10003 Sorry if that isn't quite what you were after. Alexander ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:35:18 -0800 Subject: Re: David Shea Shows? On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:59:52 -0800 (PST) Bob Boster wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote: > > > Also kind of a side note. Does anyone know any upcoming shows of David > > Shea's? Where in nyc does he usually play? ANY INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED. > > > > I second the David Shea kudos thread and wonder if anyone has an email > address for him? I have something to mail off to him and can't seem to > find anyone who has it.. His address is given on one of his last record (TOWER...): 151 First Ave. #21 New York City, NY 10003 Patrice. ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:44:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Locus Solus Question On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:14:39 -0500 (EST) Matt Moffett wrote: > > I just picked up the Tzadik re-release of _Locus Solus_, and saw in the > liner notes someone named "Whiz Kid" for doing the turntable on the last 8 > tracks (recorded sept 1983). Is this a young David Shea, or is it someone > else entirely? Just curious... Somebody completely different. What a record! I like John's statement about the potential of this music to become popular in a foreseable future :-). Still fresh and new in 1996 (and for many more years, I am sure). Patrice. ------------------------------ From: JonAbbey@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:56:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD In a message dated 12/18/96 10:18:11 AM, janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw (Jan-Wen Lu) wrote: >Does anyone have the Ween/Boredoms collaboration CD "Z-Rock Hawaii"? I'm >very curious about it. Thanks!! Does this actually exist? I remember hearing talk about it a year or two ago but it's certainly never made its way to NYC as far as I know. Jon ------------------------------ From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:39:07 -0700 Subject: jim o'rourke i have just purchased his terminal pharmacy and absoluty love it. what i was wondering is i have seen many other cds by him including the work which he has done with illiusion of safty etc. can anyone recomend some of his other recordings? what is his solo guitar work like ect? any info would be great. david p.s. another question: does anyone know specifically what kelzmer music zorn listens to/is inspired by? meaning the more traditional stuff. ------------------------------ From: Jan-Wen Lu Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:14:59 +0800 Subject: Re: Z-Rock Hawaii CD JonAbbey@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/18/96 10:18:11 AM, janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw (Jan-Wen > Lu) wrote: > > >Does anyone have the Ween/Boredoms collaboration CD "Z-Rock Hawaii"? I'm > >very curious about it. Thanks!! > > Does this actually exist? I remember hearing talk about it a year or two ago > but it's certainly never made its way to NYC as far as I know. > > Jon Of course, it did exist. Released by Nipp Guitar Records, NIPP 12142. Available from Japan Overseas, AB-CD, CDEurope, etc. - -- Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:50:50 -0800 Subject: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II Does anybody know about: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists This record features Maurizio, Bill Laswell, Rome, Rhys Chatham/Martin Wheeler, Pin, Him, Zulutronic, Magnet Plug, Mouse On Mars, Tao, Alec Empire, Shull, Eardrum, Porter Richs, The Disciples Meet The Rootsman, Gedulah vs Cheesecake, Andre Gurov Unit, Prince Paul, Jammin' Unit, Bio Muse, Third Eye # ' Foundation, Spectre, Ice vs Palace. ???? - Virgin (?), ??? (2xCD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-). Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler? Thanks, Patrice. ------------------------------ From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:12:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: jim o'rourke > i have just purchased his terminal pharmacy and absoluty love it. what i > was wondering is i have seen many other cds by him including the work which > he has done with illiusion of safty etc. can anyone recomend some of his > other recordings? what is his solo guitar work like ect? any info would > be great. I have 'remove then need' on the Extreme label. The man gets sounds out of guitars that i never knew could come out of guitars... It's a live recording with no effects (except for slight reverb) and no overdubbing. That makes it even more impressive, to me, since i know how cool any old thing can sound if you puch it through a wall of effects processors. Yay for Jim. - -jascha ------------------------------ From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:22:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-). > > Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler? there is an excellent two-part interview with Chatham in the last two issues of Dead Angel. he talks about his collab with Martin as well as the track they did for this double CD (curated by Kevin Martin). i think the correct url is: www.eden.com/zines/deadangel/deadangel.html hasta. --dk Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ From: Brian/Sharon Beuchaw Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:54:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-). Um, I've got it, but haven't listened to it yet. I don't think the music is dub as we know it (see Macro Dub Infection, Vol. I). It's more of the post-rock (I know, it's overused)/weird mixing/unclassifiable style-type stuff. Once I listen, I'll post what I know..... cya brian ------------------------------ From: Jeff Spirer Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:33:40 -0800 Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II At 07:50 AM 12/19/96 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > Does anybody know about: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >*** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists > > This record features Maurizio, Bill Laswell, Rome, Rhys Chatham/Martin > Wheeler, Pin, Him, Zulutronic, Magnet Plug, Mouse On Mars, Tao, Alec Empire, > Shull, Eardrum, Porter Richs, The Disciples Meet The Rootsman, Gedulah vs > Cheesecake, Andre Gurov Unit, Prince Paul, Jammin' Unit, Bio Muse, Third Eye > # ' > Foundation, Spectre, Ice vs Palace. > > ???? - Virgin (?), ??? (2xCD) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-). It's my favorite track on this comp. Classic (in the reggae sense) dub this is not, nor is most of the other stuff (Bill's stuff being a major exception) but it is fun. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------ From: Howard Shih Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:30:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > Does anybody know about: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *** - MACRO DUB INFECTION - VOLUME II: various artists > Rhys Chatham playing dub, I do not want to miss that :-). > > Also, any info on MArtin Wheeler? Here's a review I wrote about Ben Neill's Tryptical cd and Chatham & Wheeler's Neon ep for the last issue of Smug Magazine. The Chatham/Wheeler track on Macro Dub II is excellent if not better than the material on Neon. It's basically Chatham playing his distorted trumpet over a slow dubscape with the occasional burst of jungle snares here and there. Hope you like the review - ------- Ben Neill Triptycal Antilles Rhys Chatham & Martin Wheeler Neon Ntone/Ninja Tune When Miles Davis started playing his trumpet through wah- wah pedals in the mid 70s many jazz critics thought it was a desperate attempt to mask Miles' declining trumpet skills and further commercialize his music. What these close minded purists failed to realize that Miles was simply using technology to alter his sound in the same way that early trumpeters used whatever was lying around (plungers, pitchers, hats, etc.) to distort the trumpet's innately pure tone. While Dave Douglas and Wynton Marsalis continue to prove that there's plenty of life in acoustic trumpet playing, trumpeters like Ben Neill and Rhys Chatham are blending electronics to continue explore the unknown waters that Miles began charting some twenty odd years ago. Ben Neill's Triptycal is an oceanic blend of jazz, ambient, jungle, and world music that provides plenty of sunken treasures for the listener to uncover. Neill creates his evocative soundscapes with his muntantrumpet-- a unique instrument of his own design that mixes two trumpet bells (one with a mute) with an electronic/midi output. On a song like the opening "Propeller" you can here Neill play along with himself as electronic sounds mirror his muted trumpet tones as a slow funk beat plays in the background. Before long the funk groove transforms itself into soothing snare rolls that's be right at home on any one of LTJ Bukem's ambient jungle tunes. What makes Triptycal such a remarkable album is the fluid nature of Neill's music: a song like "Floataion Device" can envelope the listener in a pleasant underwater environment that makes perfect chill out music while at the same time providing enough sonic mystery and detail to engage an active listener. Rhys Chatham and Martin Wheeler's Neon ep is an incredible collision of Tackhead style funk, Dark Magus style molten trumpet playing and the fourth world sounds of Jon Hassell & Brian Eno's Possible Musics . On "Charm", the highlight of the more accessible/dancy A side, Chatham's ferocious trumpet playing is run through a distortion pedal and sounds like it's summoning the ghost of Sonny Sharrock to wreak havoc over a heavy funk landscape. (Chatham's noize aesthetic should come as no surprise as he originally composed skronk guitar orchestrations at the same time Glenn Branca did back in the late 70s/early 80s.) The B side features the introspective "Ramatek": a subdued number mixing chilled out wah-wah trumpet with Indian tablas. (Think of "Black Satin" from On The Corner without the funk drumming.) Ntone/Ninja Tune: P.O. Box 373, Westmount Station, Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3Z 2T5 OR email: ninjah@generation.net Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Cybrarian/Assistant Programmer Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-309-0005 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-309-0110 ------------------------------ From: dennis summers Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:09 WET Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #42 Hi, don't know if this will get to a human being or not, but I never received V2#41. Is there something at my end I need to check out, or do things get lost occassionally? ------------------------------ From: dennis summers Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:33 WET Subject: Misc comments I agree with Keefe regarding Bar Kokhba -the live versions sound better to me also - more "absorbing?" is that a good word? Also regarding Berne and Bloodcount, I'm going to have to fall squarely in the middle. I Very much like his older stuff, but feel that Bloodcount is a little more "abstract" and harder to "get." However, he's supposed to come to Ann Arbor in the spring and I wouldn't miss it for anything. Finally, I've been listening a lot lately to "Rock/Paper/Scissors" by Scott Johnson (which got slammed in a review somewhere), and I really like it. Also, to somewhat veer from the noise/jazz thing, Peter Jeffries has a bunch of new and rereleased discs out now. For some time the only disc I had by him was "Electricity" (which I listened to every day for a long time). Jeffries is a New Zealand singer/multintrumentalist who sings dark songs over noisy (but not "noise") feedbacky melodies. I think he's fantastic, and would strongly recommend him to anyone. - --ds ------------------------------ From: gastarit@comm.net Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 17:32:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Misc comments On Thu, 19 Dec 96, dennis summers wrote: >I agree with Keefe regarding Bar Kokhba -the live versions sound better to >me also - more "absorbing?" is that a good word? > >Also regarding Berne and Bloodcount, I'm going to have to fall squarely in >the middle. I Very much like his older stuff, but feel that Bloodcount is a >little more "abstract" and harder to "get." However, he's supposed to come >to Ann Arbor in the spring and I wouldn't miss it for anything. > > Listening to Bloodcount demands patience of the listener. Berne averages 2 cuts per cd. There's a lot goin on here...not easy listening by any means but very rewarding. Memory Select is the weakest of the bunch (IMO). Starts off real slow..the 2nd cut is vicious ! The Bloodcount band emphasizes the interplay between any 2 soloists at a given time. The finale is generally when they all converge to the climax...Impossible linear riffs, mind boggling improvisation and extremely intuitive. If I were to recommend a "beginners guide to Berne" I'd start with his old Black Saint stuff than jump to Caos Totale "Pace Yourself"..Of course "Diminutive Mysteries" is a classic. The guy (Berne) is amazing..period ! A force of nature !!!! Glenn ------------------------------ From: fenechd@charon.stm.com (David FENECH) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 11:00:02 +0100 Subject: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... Hello all Will Connor said about Georges Lewis : > > Don't forget about his work with Heiner Goebbels on several large scale > theatrical oriental musical performances, most of which are released on > ECM. I was recently in Germany and saw where Heiner G. was performing a > new play/composition and I was told that George Lewis was also involved. I > will keep an eye out for something new from him and tell the group if it is > spotted! > > I know George Lewis is on Der Man in Dem Fahrstuhl and there is a trombone > player on Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux, but I do not know if it is > George Lewis or not. Both well worth checking out. I saw "Ou bien le debarquement Desastreux" live in France (Theatre Les Amandiers, la Courneuve). The guy who played the trombone was a French musician called YVES ROBERT (yes, just like the film maker ...) . This trombonist often plays at the "Instant Chavires" club (the french Knitting Factory, I would say). He also appears on the ECM record of that play I guess. In this show, there was also Xavier Garcia on keaboards. He's a composer from Lyon (France) who does some electroacoustic work. He's also member of ARFI collective. You can find his records via MetamKine distribution who is specialized in free impro and acousmatics. There was a Daxophon player , but it was not Rene Lussier this time. For those who do not know what is a "daxophon" : it is an instrument invented by HANS REICHEL which consists in a piece of wood played with a bow. The sound is changed using a block of wood to modulate the length of the vibrating part. This is a nice instrument indeed. bye. ===================================== David FENECH, musician , one man band (Please Send tapes and mail art to :) 2, rue Claude Debussy 38100 Grenoble - France ===================================== E - Mail : fenechd@stm.com ===================================== PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!! ------------------------------ From: hywel davies Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:49:35 -0800 Subject: bloodclot? if you prefer the earlier Berne stuff(i.e. when there were TUNES!) then you should like the Andy Laster cds - Hydra (on sound aspects)and a recent one on Songlines (Polyogue?), with Herb Robertson-tpt. (can't remember the others at present,sorry!) also check out the wonderful New and Used cd 'Souvenier' (knitting factory) with Douglas,Feldman,Driscoll and Rainey - I don't like the later one 'consensus' so much... ------------------------------ From: fenechd@charon.stm.com (David FENECH) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 13:56:35 +0100 Subject: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... Will Connor said about Georges Lewis : > > Don't forget about his work with Heiner Goebbels on several large scale > theatrical oriental musical performances, most of which are released on > ECM. I was recently in Germany and saw where Heiner G. was performing a > new play/composition and I was told that George Lewis was also involved. I > will keep an eye out for something new from him and tell the group if it is > spotted! > > I know George Lewis is on Der Man in Dem Fahrstuhl and there is a trombone > player on Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux, but I do not know if it is > George Lewis or not. Both well worth checking out. I saw "Ou bien le debarquement Desastreux" live in France (Theatre Les Amandiers, la Courneuve). The guy who played the trombone was a French musician called YVES ROBERT (yes, just like the film maker ...) . This trombonist often plays at the "Instant Chavires" club (the french Knitting Factory, I would say). He also appears on the ECM record of that play I guess. In this show, there was also Xavier Garcia on keaboards. He's a composer from Lyon (France) who does some electroacoustic work. He's also member of ARFI collective. You can find his records via MetamKine distribution who is specialized in free impro and acousmatics. There was a Daxophon player , but it was not Rene Lussier this time. For those who do not know what is a "daxophon" : it is an instrument invented by HANS REICHEL which consists in a piece of wood played with a bow. The sound is changed using a block of wood to modulate the length of the vibrating part. This is a nice instrument indeed. bye. ===================================== David FENECH, musician , one man band (Please Send tapes and mail art to :) 2, rue Claude Debussy 38100 Grenoble - France ===================================== E - Mail : fenechd@stm.com ===================================== PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!! ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:12:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Ou bien le Debarquement Desastreux .... On Fri, 20 Dec 96 11:00:02 +0100 David FENECH wrote: > > PS : The new record from ROOF (Tom Cora , Phil Minton, Luc - from The > ex, Michael Waecther) is out. It is excellent !!! You mean THE UNTRACEABLE CIGAR? Patrice. ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #43 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-zorn-list": subscribe zorn-list-digest local-zorn-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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