From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #66 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Monday, 10 March 1997 Volume 02 : Number 066 In this issue: Re: Bruce Morris CDs Re: Tony Williams Re: Torture Garden etc Re: Tony Williams More new CD's with Otomo Yoshihide Re: Tony Williams Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #65 Re: Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris Re: Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris Masada in France at 8th of April? Tony Williams Re: Tony Williams Re: Torture Garden etc PERIODIC ZORN-LIST ADMIN INFO (please save) Zorn and maths Bloodcount show in St. Louis. Masada European dates testing (please ignore) Re: Tim Berne in Chicago Susan Dehim Mark Feldman & Wolfgang Puschnig cynical hysterie hour Re: cynical hysterie hour Burroughs See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caleb Deupree Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:04:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Bruce Morris CDs >On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:30:31 +0800 Jan-Wen Lu wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been trying very hard to find Butch Morris' "Current Trends In Racism >> In Modern America" and "Homeing" CD's. Both released by Sound Aspect Sound >> in Germany. Does anyone know where to mail-order them? Or they were out of >> print? Thanks. > Cadence (http://cadencebuilding.com) lists Homeing but not Current Trends. They also carry the individual Testament disks on New World. On now: Albert Marcoeur, Sports & Percussions - -- Caleb T. Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com ;; For every complex question there is a simple answer. ;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) ------------------------------ From: DANIEL BITTON Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:32:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tony Williams How did he die? I don't think he was very old, was he? ------------------------------ From: Matthew Ross Davis Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:33:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc That's a great summary, John! Thanks for enlightening us all. Matt | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------ From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:03:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Tony Williams On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, DANIEL BITTON wrote: > How did he die? I don't think he was very old, was he? He was 51 and died of a heart attack following gall bladder surgery..... :-( cya brian ------------------------------ From: Jan-Wen Lu Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:54:36 +0800 Subject: More new CD's with Otomo Yoshihide Hi, For those fans of Otomo Yoshihide. Here are two new CD's with him. 1.Novo Tono/Panorama Paradise (Alida/Creativeman Disc, CMDD-000038, Japan) -a long time project with Phew(Anton Fier's Dreamspeed), Seiichi Yamamoto( Boredoms, Omoide Hatoba, Live Under the Sky, etc.), Otomo Yoshihide, Etoh Naoko, Yusuke Nishimura and Masahiro Uemura(Ground Zero, P.O.N.). 2.Cult Junk Cafe (Gentle Giant Records, ggcd002, U.S.A.) -a Japanese-American band with Kyota Yoshigami, Yasuhiro Ohtani, Kazutaka Sakamoto, Tsuguto Tsunoda and Michael Hartman. Otomo plays handmade guitar and 6-string bass on seven tracks. Also the Bob Ostertag/Otomo Yoshihide "Twins" CD(Creativeman Disc) and Bloodbath "Live" CD. Details and review can be found from Wire magazine and update catalog of ReR Megacorp. - -- Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw ------------------------------ From: Scott Russell Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:20:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Tony Williams ALAN E. KAYSER wrote: > Check out the Tony Williams Lifetime CD "Emergency." This is the > original jazz-rock band, featuring John McLaughlin and Larry Young. It was 2 LPs of fuzz guitar and post Jimmy Smith organ via Coltrane. I remember hearing this for the first time when it originally was released way back when. It blew me away. Thought WHAT IS THIS! The vocals by Tony are really dated, but it sure brings back memories. This was a great band, and I understand Verve has just released a compilation 2 CD. Tony never quite matched his early work, nor was there anything in this genre that matched the energy of Emergency. Thanks Alan I have a copy of Emergency and I agree, it's furious, churning stuff. The vocals are pretty funny, I like them for their 'cheese' value. Of course I couldn't be without any of the Miles albums Tony plays on, or his early Bluenotes, Lifetime and Spring. I haven't heard too many of his later solo albums but he did turn in a good appearance with John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce on McLaughlin's 'Electric Guitarist' album. It's a really funky power trio workout with added 'cheesy' vocals by all three. As far as anything matching Lifetime's power, well I don't know if I quite agree, I think the first Mahavishnu album is pretty scorching but I don't want to start a raving fued about jazz-fusion of all things! Scott Russell. ------------------------------ From: NGUYEN VAN TAN Olivier Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:48:57 +0100 Subject: Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris Hi, Yesterday, it was the grand opening of a French jazz festival "Banlieue Bleue" near Paris. Barondown was the first band and, as usual, Joey was GREAT ! He was sharp, smooth and very creative. Only, one problem : the next band (main band) was Abbey Lincoln Quartet (they are on Verve). It is classical jazz with a singer. The poor drummer (Aaron Walker) seemed so slow and ... ridiculous. He looked like a heavy metal drummer and I hated this "too-classical" band. Jazz snob eat shit ! Rule 1 : "Never play drums after Joey Baron" ! I already saw Barondown in New York, last year at the What is jazz? festival at the knit'. The trombone was not the same : I think it was Steve Swell like on the CD "Crackshot". Yesterday, it was Josuah Roseman. Personally, I prefer Steve Swell but Joey said "he is not in the band anymore". Do you know the reason why ? Do you have some news of Steve Swell ? What is he doing right now ? Joey Baron also said that a solo drum album was on the way. I am waiting for this !! French fans, don't worry : Joey said he will be back with Masada the 8th of April !! So cooooolll !! Olivier ps: Thanks, Mister Tony Williams ------------------------------ From: "R. Edward Stuart" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:54:13 -0500 Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #65 Yo, I've been despriately looking for Anthony Braxton's _Dortmund Quartet_ on Hat Art. This disk is OOP but might be sitting in a local Borders or Tower. So if any of you people see this disk please drop me a line. Thanx, Ed Stuart stuart@telerama.lm.com ------------------------------ From: "M.Ho" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 10:46:06 EST Subject: Re: Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris > > Personally, I prefer Steve Swell but Joey said "he is not in the band anymore". > Do you know the reason why ? > Do you have some news of Steve Swell ? What is he doing right now ? > I saw Steve Swell lead a group up in New York back in October at the Internet Cafe and they were great. Unfortunatly, I was one of about three people there. I don't know who the other musicians were but there was a man on reeds (sax, bass clarinet, flute) and a wonderful drummer. I didnt get a chance to talk to him although I wanted to because that was the night Chamber Masada played the Knitting Factory and I had to run out early. By the way, Tim Berne's Bloodcount is playing in Richmond, VA at the Biograph with Hotel X on March 19. - -Mary ------------------------------ From: Christopher Hamilton Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:36:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Joey Baron, Barondown in Paris On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, NGUYEN VAN TAN Olivier wrote: > Only, one problem : the next band (main band) was Abbey Lincoln Quartet > (they are on Verve). It is classical jazz with a singer. The poor drummer > (Aaron Walker) seemed so slow and ... ridiculous. He looked like a heavy > metal drummer and I hated this "too-classical" band. Jazz snob eat shit ! And what should avant-garde snobs eat? :^))) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ From: Friedrich Feger Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:07:00 +0100 Subject: Masada in France at 8th of April? hi everybody, does anyone know if Masada plays anywhere else in Europe, especially if they play in Germany? I've never seen Masada on stage and kind of tired of this state... Thanks in advance, Fritz Fritz Feger ffeger@gwdg.de ------------------------------ From: DR S WILKIE Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:58:57 GMT0BST Subject: Tony Williams Tony Williams R.I.P. Actually, one of Williams first LP appearances, Jackie McLean's One Step Beyond (Blue Note) was pretty far out. Williams' own albums for Blue Note, Lifetime and Spring, are even further out. All before he was 20 years old. But he was also pretty eclectic, and had a real love for good pop music (The Beatles). So I don't think we should paint him as an old fuddy-duddy. Sean. ------------------------------ From: Scott Russell Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:21:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Tony Williams DR S WILKIE wrote: > > Tony Williams R.I.P. > > Actually, one of Williams first LP appearances, Jackie McLean's One > Step Beyond (Blue Note) was pretty far out. Williams' own albums for > Blue Note, Lifetime and Spring, are even further out. All before he > was 20 years old. But he was also pretty eclectic, and had a real > love for good pop music (The Beatles). So I don't think we should > paint him as an old fuddy-duddy. > Sean I certainly had no intention of suggesting Williams was a fuddy-duddy. I reckon he was one of the greats of modern jazz, it's just that his later work didn't seem to match the work he did on Lifetime and Spring (my 2 favourite Williams albums by the way), or any of the classic Miles recordings. The Glasgow Herald quoted him as saying he found drumming easy and that studying composition was where his interests lay. Perhaps his choice of idiom is what put me off the later work. I heard a couple of his 80's Blue Note discs and, though the drumming is superlative, I thought they were a bit too neo-classical in that Wynton Marsalis way. I'd like to have seen him expand his choice of players and styles. The direction of the Arcana disc, with Derek Bailey, could have yielded something tremendous. Scott Russell ------------------------------ From: Anthony Saunders Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:37:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote: > The tape & lp versions of torture garden only have half the songs that > the cd t.g. does. Grand Guignol has the supplemental tracks. The > gangster album has some, but not all of the additional tracks. > > Patrice I'd have to disagree with that, the tape version of torture garden that I played till it broke has exactly the same songs on it as my cd version. And Grand Guignol has most of T.G., and Gangster (as we seem to call it) has the rest of the songs. Torture garden was my first Zorn also, Painkiller's Buried Secrets is my fav., but I haven't heard much... anthony ------------------------------ From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:25:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: PERIODIC ZORN-LIST ADMIN INFO (please save) ABOUT THE ZORN LIST The Zorn list was created so that fans of John Zorn and his MANY projects could come together and chat about the man and his music...Naked City, Masada, Painkiller, etc..... Also discussed on this list, are: Bill Laswell, Bill Frisell, Elliott Sharp, Bobby Previte, Wayne Horvitz, Zeena Parkins, Knitting Factory roster artists, Joey Baron, Last Exit posse, and any other downtown NYC connected musicians. SENDING MESSAGES TO THE ZORN LIST To post to the list, send your mail to zorn-list@xmission.com This will distribute your words of wit and wisdom to everyone who is subscribed to the list. 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Thanks for your efforts. ------------------------------ From: Ed Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:29:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Bloodcount show in St. Louis. For those of you in the midwest, Tim Bern's Bloodcount is playing in St. Louis on Wednesday March 12 at the Washington University Gargoyle. I'm pretty sure that this show is going to be open to the public, though I know not what the cost will be. ED ------------------------------ From: DR S WILKIE Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:01:03 GMT0BST Subject: Masada European dates Hi! I live in Wales, and events are already planning themselves throughout April. So I REALLY need to know where and when Masada are playing. (city and date, and I can take it from there) PLEASE HELP! Dave Douglas is my life support machine Sean ------------------------------ From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:50:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: testing (please ignore) Sorry for the extraneous message, we're testing a software change at xmission.com mike rizzi - zorn-list-owner ------------------------------ From: Damianbndi@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:24:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tim Berne in Chicago In a message dated 97-02-21 12:50:37 EST, you write: >just a note to let everybody know that Tim Berne's Bloodcount will be >making am appearance here in Louisville, KY on Marsh 14th. If you're >interested in this, email me and I'll keep you posted as I find And here in Chicago in addition to playing at the Elbo Room Saturday 9 pm (773-549-5549) 2871 N Lincoln Ave they are making a concert appearance at the Jazz Record Mart around 4 pm earlier that same day-tomorrow. Anyone in the general area interested can see them for FREE at the Record Mart-- 444 N Wabash (312-222-1467) They are coming in from Ann Arbor MI and will be setting up at the Elbo Room so they figure on squeezing in 45-60 minutes here around 4 pm of great tunes. See you there. Damian ------------------------------ From: heesen@philo.uva.nl (Berrie Heesen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:29:05 +0100 Subject: Susan Dehim Hi musos in the air. I wonder if any of you does have suggestions on Susan Dehim. I have this great record Desert Equations. What did she do afterwards? Berrie Heesen Berrie Heesen coordinator Journal 100 Faculteit der Wijsbegeerte Nieuwe Doelenstraat 15 1012 CP Amsterdam The Netherlands +31 20 525 4526 or 6165369 " I have thought about this very carefully. I think I can make new words because if no-one could make them, then no-one can learn them. Jake Roberts, 8 years old." From journal 100 number 2, European children think together. ------------------------------ From: BJOERN Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:23:10 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: Mark Feldman & Wolfgang Puschnig I saw Feldman and Puschnig in concert here in germany on wednesday and it was amazing so if u have the chance to check these guys out DO IT BJOERN ------------------------------ From: "kevin cornish" Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 13:44:19 -0000 Subject: cynical hysterie hour can any one help me ? is cynical hysterie hour - john zorn still available does anyone know where i can get a copy from ? was it sold only in japan ? how does it compare to other j z recordings ? kevin kcornish@netcomuk.co.uk ------------------------------ From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 13:54:23 -0800 Subject: Re: cynical hysterie hour On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 13:44:19 -0000 "kevin cornish" wrote: > > can any one help me ? > > is cynical hysterie hour - john zorn still available > does anyone know where i can get a copy from ? This record has never been really available outside Japan. This is one of these typical Japanese releases that never leave the country. Even Japanese people did not find it. Can you imagine a record on CBS/Sony being harder to find than a record on an indie label? > was it sold only in japan ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I am sure, but without a lot of enthousiasm... You wonder sometimes why some big companies even release such records. Zorn has been trying to get the rights back but Sony/CBS did never take the time to answer his letters! Does anybody even care at CBS/Sony? > how does it compare to other j z recordings ? It is short and fairly enjoyable. A mix of different styles, tight and very well played (a little bit in the spirit of Godard/Weill/..., but cut in very short songs). I would not kill anybody to get it, but if I happen to see it in a store (really unlikely), I am sure I will pick it up :-). In clear: maybe the rarest record with/by Zorn. Patrice. ------------------------------ From: Scott Russell Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:06:07 +0000 Subject: Burroughs I realise I may be running the risk of covering old territory but has anybody considered the influence of WIlliam Burroughs on Zorn et al? I can't remember any specific references (apart from the mention of Blade Runner in the notes to Spillane) in Zorn's case but his whole approach reeks of Burroughs; The cut and paste, the Cagean use of chance operations, use of apparently nonsensical vocals. All of this points to Burroughs' cut up technique. Further out still is Otomo Yoshihide whom I reckon totally embodies the 'language as a virus' concept. Think about Night Before the Death of the Sampling Virus. A whole disc of found sounds, collages and explosions of sonic violence and very little actual music . This and other discs such as Ground Zero and We Insist? display Burroughs experimental techniques to its fullest. Otomo's bizzare juxtapositions get right to the core of the subconcious expression Burroughs is so good at tapping into. I feel there could be a great deal to say about this. Anybody else? Cheers. Scott Russell. ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #66 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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