From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #896 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 22 2000 Volume 02 : Number 896 In this issue: - Buckethead Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! Re: Buckethead Re: Buckethead Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! Buckethead was Marsalis Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! Re: makigami koichi (was: Re: painkiller) country & western/bluegrass/you're welcome Buckethead > El Stew > Brain > Godflesh? Godflesh? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:50:36 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Buckethead Buckethead's best for me was "Day of the Robot" and his most divergent (and for many, the least interesting) was "Colma". Generally, his solo stuff gets a lot less play in my collection. I think his best work overall was the Praxis live and Metatron, as well as the second Arcana piece. there was no place to go, I suppose, on the new piece except back into the robot fetish, that is, if one happens to have the misfortune of always being a "buckethead" (it can only go on for so long, after all, whereupon the inevitable death of the amusement must occur). Accordingly, his playing (on his own work at least) has become very predictable. But I'm looking forward to hearing El Stew to see if his work with the turntablists make him more interestingly divergent again. If I'm disappointed, I'll move on. Frisell is a better guitarist certainly, but for me, he has become equally boring for a different set of reasons, one of which being the ideological bent of some of his recent work. Leng Tch'e is probably for me his masterwork. >From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com > >If you mean heavy metal pyrotechniques, yes there are plenty. The >riffs >are all starting to sound >familiar to me. > >proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > > >On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:24:28 -0800 Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com > >wrote: > >> > >> NP Buckethead -- Monsters and Robots (I'm getting bored with B-head's > >> limited harmonic range) > > >I read many positive reviews on that one. Is it still the same usual > >Buckethead? If it is the case, I know right away how to save $14. > > > > Patrice. > > >- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:11:58 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! >From: patRice > >i've been looking for good country & western / bluegrass stuff. Perhaps you might want to check out Tony Rice, Roy Acuff, and the like. I recall the comp "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" to be a good one as well. Bill Ashline Department of English Yonsei University Seoul, Korea bashline@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:30:35 -0500 From: "H." Subject: Re: Buckethead I still think his first collab w/ Laswell is his best. DeathCubeK - Dreamatorium (Subharmonic 0001-2) out H - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:36:56 GMT From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Buckethead >From: "H." > >I still think his first collab w/ Laswell is his best. >DeathCubeK - Dreamatorium (Subharmonic 0001-2) > Another one I liked. A fine anagram as well. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:08:07 -0500 From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! I don't know if it's available in Switzerland, but Germany's Bear Family records is the single best and (most expensive) record label for traditio= nal country. If you are looking for things in the vein of Lang and Cline, you might tr= y Kitty Wells, early Tammy Wynette (and with George Jones), early Loretta Lynn, or even the Carter Family (1927-40), although not much is in print right now (I believe a Bear Family box set is coming soon). You might al= so try some of Willie Nelson's great 70s albums: Red Headed Stranger, Shotgu= n Willie, etc. Regarding bluegrass, if you are looking for traditional, there's an excellent box set of Bill Monroe available called "The Essential" --2 cds= of the groundwork of bluegrass with Flatt and Scruggs as sidemen... anything by the Stanley Brothers is essential. ok. I'll stop. On the Buckethead tangent, I rather enjoy Praxis' "Sacrifist" although I don't know if it's in print. It features Blind Idiot God as a rhythm section, on top of Mick Harris and Laswell. matt patRice wrote: > hi boys and girls... > > doesn't the internet have a negative influence on our behaviour?! i > haven't even thanked all of you yet for helping me out on finding the > right mingus & parker stuff to buy (and books also!)... and already > would like some more recommendations! > > so first of all: thanks a lot to all of you who took their time to > answer to my last recommendations request! (made me spend a lot of mone= y > again...) > > anyways; i hope i'm not sticking my neck out too far this time. (as far > as zorn content goes.) > > i've been looking for good country & western / bluegrass stuff. but it > is rather difficult to find over here in switzerland (europe); unless > you're into garth brooks... two cds i have and love that are in a sort > of c&w style are k.d. lang's ing=E9nue and patsy cline's the very best = of. > > looking forward to your answers! > > patRice > > np: k.d. lang ing=E9nue > reading: yukio mishima's sun and steel, john steinbeck's grapes of wrat= h > > - - -- Matt Laferty Ph.D. Candidate Department of English, General Literature, & Rhetoric Binghamton University PO Box 6000 Binghamton, NY 13902 607.777.2754 bg60009@binghamton.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:32:19 -0800 From: Daryl Loomis Subject: Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! >>i=27ve been looking for good country & western / bluegrass stuff. but = >>it >>is rather difficult to find over here in switzerland (europe); unless >>you=27re into garth brooks... two cds i have and love that are in a sort >>of c&w style are k.d. lang=27s ing=E9nue and patsy cline=27s the very = best >>of. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --------------------------------- I don=27t know how much is available in Swizerland, but there is a lot of = good country artists out there. My favorites are Hank Williams, Sr. and = Townes Van Zandt. Kitty Wells, Patsy Cline, KD Lang, Loretta Lynn and = Lyle Lovett are all very good. Older Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash = (though Nelson=27s latest =22Teatro=22 is very good) are much better than = their newer work. Roy Acuff is very good. For BG, I=27d go with Bill = Monroe...if you can find him out there. He coined =22Bluegrass,=22 and = perfected the sound. Also Flat & Scruggs are a good duo (they got their = start with Bill Monroe). As Bill Ashline said, =22Let the Circle Be = Unbroken=22 is a very good album. However, it is not a compilation, it is = a collaboration set-up by The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, that features some = thirty different artists, old and young (this will give you some places to = look at...though I=27d steer clear of The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band). It is obvious that I=27m pretty big into this stuff and I=27d be happy to = give album rec=27s if you need, though I=27m really not sure how much of = this is available in Europe. Hope this helps Daryl R. Loomis drl=40valley-media.com =20 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:06:39 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Buckethead was Marsalis Monsters and Robots is I think the best of a string of too-like sounding discs from Bucket. But it is far and away the best. (I of course exclude the atrocious Colma and the different-ballpark Death Cube K releases.) If you only own one, make it this one. If you've got the others, well, make a decision. It lists for $10, though, not $14. Martin's right -- it's not nearly as good as the Praxis stuff, but that's kinda like complaining that 'Back off Boogaloo' isn't as good as "Revolver." proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: >On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:24:28 -0800 Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com >wrote: >> >> NP Buckethead -- Monsters and Robots (I'm getting bored with B-head's >> limited harmonic range) >I read many positive reviews on that one. Is it still the same usual >Buckethead? If it is the case, I know right away how to save $14. > > Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:16:29 EST From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Re: country & western / bluegrass / thank you! For traditional bluegrass, there is a definitive 4 CD set on MCA that surveys Bill Monroe's entire career, which I'd opt for over the 3 CDs of Flatt/Scruggs era Monroe represented on the Columbia 2-CD set, "The Essential" and the single Columbia CD "16 Gems" (which really should have been issued as a 3-CD "complete" set). Though these are the bible of bluegrass, where the classic bluegrass sound was born in the mid-late '40s, I think that Monroe did possibly his best work in the '50s, and there is also plenty of great stuff (especially instrumentals) from the '60s as well. Even his '70s and '80s work provided some amazing high points, so that's why I'd opt for the career overview. If you are really serious about Monroe, though, there are 3 Bear Family sets, each 4 CDs, and each covering a decade (50s, 60s, 70s), and all are recommended, especially the '50s set. For "modern" traditional bluegrass recordings, anything (and I mean anything) that the Johnson Mountain Boys recorded for Rounder is hard to beat. Also, any and all of Del McCoury's Rounder CDs are simply wonderful. His voice is, for many, an acquired taste, due to his high, somewhat nasal tenor, but once hooked, you never look back. Also, Del's son, Ronnie, is one of the best mandolists ever, and their fiddler, Jason Carter, is also a monster (pick up Carter's solo album, "On The Move," for some powerful fiddling). For straight-ahead "contemporary" bluegrass, try Front Range or the Lonesome River Band, both bands overflowing with talent and good songwriting. As for the progressive, newgrass, new-acoustic, (etc.) camp, almost all of Bela Fleck's 1980s (while he was with New Grass Revival, pre-Flecktones) Rounder albums are masterpieces. Grab his Natural Bridge, Deviation, Doubletime, or Drive albums. His recent Warner Brothers album, "Tales from the Acoustic Planet Vol. 2: The Bluegrass Sessions" is also great. The CD, "Uncommon Ritual," with Edgar Meyer, Fleck & Mike Marshall (Sony Classics) is excellent. Bela is also on New Grass Revival Live (Sugar Hill), my favorite album by that amazing band lead by Sam Bush. Speaking of Sam Bush, his 3 solo albums for Rounder and Sugar Hill are excellent. The Telluride Sessions (Bush, Fleck, Meyer, Jerry Douglas, Mark O'Connor) is also very good. And to somehow relate this all back to some Zorn content, I strongly recommend banjoist Tony Trischka (banjoist, mentor to Fleck), who has recorded with Chadbourne (who has recorded with Zorn, whew!). Trischka's "Robot Plane Flies Over Arkansas" is one of the best progressive bluegrass instrumental albums ever. And to hear the future, try Chris Thile. His first Sugar Hill CD, "Leading Off," was recorded when he was 12 or 13, and it is a remarkable album, regardless of his youth. And there's a free associative tip of the iceberg. Dave Royko - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:36:17 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: makigami koichi (was: Re: painkiller) In a message dated 3/22/00 5:03:26 AM, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << > *** - KOROSHI NO BLUES: Makigami Koichi > > 1993 - Toshiba-EMI Japan, TOCT-6496 (CD) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a good-fun cd! a lot of downtowners on it; different line-up on every track. lots of musical genres covered. >> also, an impossible CD to actually find, at least for the last few years. I've never seen a copy in the US, and I know the only way that Bruce at DMG used to get them, was to have Koichi buy them in a chain store in Japan before he visited NYC, and then Bruce would buy them from him. if anyone can get me a copy of this CD, please e-mail me privately. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:49:56 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: country & western/bluegrass/you're welcome i've been on a country buying spree of late, after a lifetime of appreciating it from afar and being weened on freakin brits (elvis costello, rolling stones) playing country stylings. something about moving east made me appreciate the genuine article more, a little bit of back home and alla dat. also inspiring my purchases has been eugene chadbourne's songbook, and if you don't have any of his country stuff you should get that. 'there'll be no teardrops tonight,' 'country and western protest' 'jesse helms busted with pornography' may be all outta print. 'country music of southeastern australia' and 'aquaduct' (vinyl, on rectangle) should be available and have some country stuff on them. but the real mccoy -- i tend to like particular songs or artists more than albums. and best ofs and comps are readily available quite cheap, on labels that no doubt are ripping off the writers and performers. i have three or four collections that contain the fantastic kitty wells song 'it wasn't god who made the honky tonk angels,' and there'll all good, so use that as a guiding principle if you like. a great 2 cd complete hank williams (sr. of course) live at the grand ole opry, that also has some great red foley and minnie pearl tracks came out a few months ago. and the george jones 2 cd best of that came out last year is also really good. i don't know all of willie nelson's stuff at all, but 'spirit' and 'teatro' (both from the 90s) are really beautiful, accoustic, well-produced and drippingly sentimental discs. look for best ofs or comps by george and willie, merle haggard, tammy wynette, johnny paycheck, and maybe some western swing like spade cooley or bob willis. i know my picks are corny, and i like em that way. i look forward to hearing what else the list has to say. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:32:57 -0500 From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: Buckethead > El Stew > Brain > Godflesh? Hi there > Monsters and Robots is I think the best of a string of too-like > sounding discs > from Bucket. But it is far and away the best. I agree that Monsters and Robots is probably his strongest solo album. I also dig the "Day of the Giant Robot" CD, which is (mostly) Buckethead playing over drum n bass done by DJ Ninj. (DJ Ninj did the tracks for Derek Bailey's Guitar/Drum and Bass record on Avant). Praxis' Metatron has Buckethead's best, most diverse, playing IMO. Lots of gritty effects, not all shred. One I would definitely avoid would be "Bucketheadland" on Avant. I got this used, and still felt ripped off. Mainly buckethead and a drum machine, with some Bootsy Vocals. It's priced as a 2 CD import, but the second CD is about 16 minutes of non-event remixes from the first. Overall, it sounds like studio experimentation that was released. The CD art work is what attracted me - don't be fooled... Re El Stew, this album keeps growing on me. Buckethead is not too noticeable on it, there are only a couple of tracks where he runs his shred lines, the rest is mostly backgound stuff. The group does a very good job of mixing live/electronic sounds - samples, programming, turntables, drums, bass, keys. DJ Disk (of Invisible Scratch Piklz) is great, and Brain plays killer jungle/hip-hop style drums. On that note, has anyone heard Godflesh? They have 2 albums which Brain plays on - "Songs of Love and Hate", and "Love and Hate in Dub" (dub remixes of the first). What kind of stuff is this? Thanks for any info... J (Though I've been lurking for a while, this is my first z-list post, so, errr, hi!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:48:43 -0800 From: Daryl Loomis Subject: Godflesh? I like Godflesh very much. They have a great mix of metal and experimentation that is right up my alley. "Songs of Love & Hate" and their self-titled are the two I'd recommend. Also, if you can find it (as far as I know, all the albums are unavailable), they did three albums with Tim Hodgkinson on a project called God. The only one I've heard is "Anatomy of Addiction" and, IMO, is better than Godflesh. Whether you can find God or not, I think most of Godflesh's work is solid. Daryl Loomis drl@valley-media.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #896 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. 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