From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale) Subject: Re: Douglas/Bennink Date: 01 Oct 1996 12:39:31 -0300 >Has the Douglas/Bennink disc on Songlines actually been released? If not, >does anyone have a release date for it? > Dave told me this summer that it was set for September, but the owner of Songlines told me "this fall". He's supposed to send me a review copy and I haven't seen it yet, so I assume it's not out yet. James Hale Music Journalist Ottawa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale) Subject: Douglas/Bennink Date: 02 Oct 1996 10:23:18 -0300 I just heard from Songlines boss Tony Reif that the Douglas/Bennink recording has just been released. They've also released a new one by Babkas. James Hale Music Journalist Ottawa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: masada shows in europe? Date: 02 Oct 1996 19:12:41 -0400 (EDT) I must know if masada are playing in europe at all, anywhere, any time, but preferably near copenhagen and before june. May hermes be swift with your reply, thanks in advance, yeah. -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: new zorn releases Date: 02 Oct 1996 20:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Are any of these out yet? -masada 7 -masada live in jerusalem -filmworks n, where n>3 I went to check Patrice's discography and was surprised to see it wasn't up to date (!). I think maybe i'm still getting an old version, as i find it hard to believe that it would neglect such recent releases as Bar Kokhba et al. Are there going to be more Bar Kokhba's? The first set is too good to deserve a lonely existence on people's CD shelves. thanks, jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: Robert Previte Date: 02 Oct 1996 20:48:36 -0400 (EDT) i'm curious about this person. I haven't heard anything of his own devising, but i'd like to. Could someone attempt the impossible and try to describe his music with mere words for me, or at least suggest which albums are worth listening to first? thanks again, jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Subject: Re: new zorn releases Date: 02 Oct 1996 20:54:57 -0600 >Are there going to be more Bar Kokhba's? The first set is too good to >deserve a lonely existence on people's CD shelves. has anyone heard anything more about this? are they printing more of these? I snagged a a copy at Tower Records in chicago yesterday, even though it meant I didn't eat for a while. Anyway, the point of this message is to tell everyone in chicago that there was still one copy left on the shelves this afternoon...... read icculus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Subject: Re: new zorn releases Date: 03 Oct 1996 13:28:57 +1000 > has anyone heard anything more about this? are they printing more of >these? I snagged a a copy at Tower Records in chicago yesterday, even >though it meant I didn't eat for a while. > Anyway, the point of this message is to tell everyone in chicago that >there was still one copy left on the shelves this afternoon...... There are at least 2 copies here in Melbourne Australia. For all you Aussies, I saw one copy in the Basement discs, and 1 in Gaslight. Grap them before they disappear! Take care and God Bless! Richie Teh Email: richie@cst.com.au Software Engineer URL: www.cst.com.au/~richie Creative Software Technologies, Australia win_DOH_s - Homer's OS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: new zorn releases Date: 03 Oct 1996 09:48:56 -0700 Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote: > > Are any of these out yet? > > -masada 7 This is out in some places, or will be very soon. Sssssssssmokin'! > -masada live in jerusalem No word yet. > -filmworks n, where n>3 Filmworks 5 & 6, both very very new and both featuring Zorn actually playing, will be out in the US on November 19, probably around the same time in Europe and elsewhere. Filmworks 3 & 4, supposedly already available in Europe on some label, will be reissued by Tzadik in 1997, as will Filmworks 1. > I went to check Patrice's discography and was surprised to see it wasn't > up to date (!). I think maybe i'm still getting an old version, as i > find it hard to believe that it would neglect such recent releases as Bar > Kokhba et al. Patrice has been on vacation lately. I think the discography is more up to date than the latest posted version... he indicated to the Zorn List recently that it had reached 100 entries. Hey, let's cut him some slack, he maintains many, many discographies (Zeena, Ikue, Tim Berne, Marty Ehrlich, etc.) so he's bound to get behind now and then! :-) > Are there going to be more Bar Kokhba's? The first set is too good to > deserve a lonely existence on people's CD shelves. No word, but could be... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Leon Lee/SYBASE Subject: Re: Masada in SF / new Feel Date: 03 Oct 1996 10:20:49 EDT >From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:10:01 -0700 >does anyone know when they will play there again? and where too perhaps? I think sometime in late November. There is a specific date on Clay Glad's Concert Calendar (I think it's the 15th or 16th of November) - http://kzsu.stanford.edu/~glad/gigs.html#news - but no venue to name. >From: scott mclemore >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: feel >Yeah, I like it. The track with the singer is a plus. How do you have it? >You must have gotten it from them because it isn't officially released >yet. They just got a promo box for the What is Jazz? Fest. >Scott >On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, h. davies wrote: > hi - the new human feel cd (on songlines)is their best by far... More information PLEASE! How about a track listing, line-up (singer?) and if possible, a review? And above all, how do we get them to play in San Francisco? Leon Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt Gottschalk Subject: christian m. Date: 03 Oct 1996 14:43:30 -0400 (EDT) can anyone provide me with or direct me to info on christian marclay? discograpy, patrice? i seem to remember this coming up on the digest not so long ago, but no longer have whatever came up. also, if anyone has memories, theories or such regarding marclay, i would be interested to hear (read) them. i'm writing a preview article for the tribeca trib in anticipation of his november set at roulette. you can email me privately if you so desire. kurt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: christian m. Date: 03 Oct 1996 15:34:33 -0400 (EDT) can you please tell me the date/time for this roulette show? scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cz125@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael J. OConnor) Subject: Re: Masada in SF Date: 03 Oct 1996 17:27:46 -0400 > >>From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:10:01 -0700 >Subject: masada in san fran > >>does anyone know when they will play there again? and where too perhaps? > >I think sometime in late November. There is a specific date on Clay Glad's >Concert Calendar (I think it's the 15th or 16th of November) - >http://kzsu.stanford.edu/~glad/gigs.html#news - but no venue to name. > >------------------------------ The show is on 11/15 at Maritime Hall. -- MJO Cotati,CA www.wp.com/funandblindness ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey videos Date: 03 Oct 1996 18:15:29 -0400 In a message dated 96-10-02 23:37:37 EDT, Wlt4@aol.com writes: > The new catalog from the Jazz Record Mart lists three Bailey videos: "Company > in Japan," "Mountain Stage" and "Will." They seem to be on Incus, at least > the catalog number starts with "Inc" and are performance videos. Has anybody > seen these? > > Lang Thompson Mountain Stage has DB and a male dancer improvising on a mountain stage in Japan. Derek plays an Epiphone archtop acousticaly. Will, I think that's the one with a tap dancer. D a v i d B e a r d s l e y .. dmb5561719@aol.com * .. * ... .* .... *...... . * .. I M M P & B i i n k! m u s i c http://www.xingnet.com/immp/welcome.htm . .. . * .. . . .. . . . . .. .*.. J u x t a p o s i t i o n Ezine * . .. http://www.xingnet.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm . .. .*.. . .. . ..*. . .. . *. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary M. Gettier" Subject: Praxis! Date: 03 Oct 1996 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Anyone know what is up with Praxis? About a year ago I read the new lineup and was expecting a new album. What's the poop? Seeya, gmg@ari.net Gary "Just remember... lie, cheat, steal... and listen to heavy metal music!" - The Devil (to Bart Simpson) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Praxis! Date: 03 Oct 1996 16:16:29 -0700 At 06:29 PM 10/3/96 -0400, Gary M. Gettier wrote: > >Anyone know what is up with Praxis? > >About a year ago I read the new lineup and was expecting a new >album. > >What's the poop? It was back in February that the new studio album was announced. Because SubMeta stopped after four releases, it was never finished. It may be finished someday. In the meantime, there is a live CD from a few European performances in the last six months that will be coming out sometime in the next six months. Brain, who has always been the drummer for Praxis, is now the drummer for Primus and I am not sure what role he will play with Praxis in the future. No-one seems to know, as far as I can tell. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Buster Keaton/Bill Frisell: Stupid question time Date: 03 Oct 1996 19:54:41 -0700 STUPID QUESTION TIME: First, I know nothing about Buster Keaton. ummmm...I really enjoy Frisell's Buster Keaton CD's. Can anyone tell me if Frisell intended the music to be played along with the films, and if so, has he performed this music live with the films, and has anyone tried to synch the CD's with the films, and are the films available on video to try at home with the CD's? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: bar kokhba Date: 03 Oct 1996 22:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Okay, so 'bar kokhba' is now out of print, soon to be re-released with some different (and, according to JZ, better) tracks? How many of the tracks are getting re-done? Is there even going to *be* a replacement bar kokhba? And, by the way, a friend of mine told me who Bar Kokhba was: he was regarded by the Jewish people about 2000 years ago or so as the mesiah. He led the jews into the mountains to wage guerila warefare on the romans, and had some measure of success for a while, but eventualy was defeated, since the roman war machine was just too big. This may not be totally correct, but it's the general idea. Fairly strong set of images which John Zorn is applying to his music: "Masada", "Bar Kokhba"... -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rohan James Parkes Subject: Keaton Date: 04 Oct 1996 14:05:45 +1000 (EST) Stickman, Funny you should ask! It's Buster Keaton's birthday today, by the way. The video's are available in the states, according to one review I read in Jazz Times,(and I'll have to take their word for it as I don't think they are in Australia), and yes, you can play the cd along with the films and they're supposed to match. I believe he has performed the soundtracks live, too. As a matter of interest, PBS-FM in Melbourne is presenting a two-hour special on Frisell tomorrow, which will feature the Keaton albums. We did one on Zorn a few months ago too. Rohan Parkes 3 PBS-FM Melbourne Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Subject: Re: bar kokhba Date: 04 Oct 1996 14:17:35 +1000 >Okay, so 'bar kokhba' is now out of print, soon to be re-released with >some different (and, according to JZ, better) tracks? How many of the >tracks are getting re-done? Is there even going to *be* a replacement >bar kokhba? I was wondering about this too. Any inside-news from Steve Smith? (BTW, Steve, do you also play the drums for Journey? ;-) ) Take care and God Bless! Richie Teh Email: richie@cst.com.au Software Engineer URL: www.cst.com.au/~richie Creative Software Technologies, Australia win_DOH_s - Homer's OS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rohan James Parkes Subject: Robert Previte Date: 04 Oct 1996 14:21:33 +1000 (EST) Dear Jascha, Bobby Previte is one of a growing band of drummer composers, who work convincingly in the more advanced areas of jazz, but who also have a background in rock,(cf. Joey Barron, Edward Vesala.) Some of his earlier work, such as Music for the Moscow Circus, is less than compelling, but since his breakthrough with *Empty Suits* (on Gramavision), he's been producing a string of powerful and innovative albums. (Although I wouldn't recommend the follw-up *Slay the Suitors*, which I thought was boring.) A lot of Previte's best work is on the Enja label. I'd recommend *Weather Clear, Track Fast*, and *Hue and Cry*, all featuring great players like Don Byron, Marty Ehrlich, Anthony Cox, etc. *Pushing the Envelope* on Gramavision and a new release on Koch are also meant to be good, but I haven't heard them. Hope this is helpful, Rohan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: denman@nyc.pipeline.com (Denman Maroney) Subject: Denman Maroney shameless plug Date: 04 Oct 1996 10:43:44 GMT "18th anniversary season Roulette series of experimental & adventurous music 228 West Broadway @ White Street Performance at 9pm, admission $8, resv/info (212) 219-8242 DENMAN MARONEY Solo Piano, Inside and Out Denman Maroney plays piano inside and out, exciting the innards with bars, bowls, boxes, mallets, mashers and whatnot while simultaneously working the keyboard to produce polytimbral, polytextural piano music. He plays polytonally and polymetrically as well. The net effect is an aromatic, parametric potpourri." -- I post this because (a) I want you to come and (b) it was omitted from the Roulette calendar. If you're unfamiliar with my work and want to learn about it, you can read my meagre web page at http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~denman/. Thanks. -- Denman Maroney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: denman@nyc.pipeline.com (Denman Maroney) Subject: Re: Buster Keaton/Bill Frisell: Stupid question time Date: 04 Oct 1996 10:51:40 GMT Yes, yes (at St. Ann's in Brooklyn), I haven't, and probably. When I recorded "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" with Mark Dresser and Dave Douglas, we made no attempt to sync up with the film. It was a record, so we made a record. I suspect Frisell & co. did the same unless they made a CD-ROM. On Oct 03, 1996 19:54:41, 'Stickman ' wrote: >STUPID QUESTION TIME: >First, I know nothing about Buster Keaton. > >ummmm...I really enjoy Frisell's Buster Keaton CD's. Can anyone tell me if >Frisell intended the music to be played along with the films, and if so, has >he performed this music live with the films, and has anyone tried to synch the >CD's with the films, and are the films available on video to try at home with >the CD's? -- Denman Maroney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mladd@Iquest.net (Mike Ladd) Subject: masada tour Date: 04 Oct 1996 07:36:50 -0600 I recently heard some news regarding a masada tour which includes a stop at Ohio State University. Just curious if this is true, any info would be appreciated. thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bar kokhba Date: 04 Oct 1996 10:20:03 -0700 Richie Teh wrote: > > >Okay, so 'bar kokhba' is now out of print, soon to be re-released with > >some different (and, according to JZ, better) tracks? How many of the > >tracks are getting re-done? Is there even going to *be* a replacement > >bar kokhba? > I was wondering about this too. Any inside-news from Steve Smith? Actually, this is all news to me. I hadn't heard anything about Bar Kokhba being deleted and was kinda wondering why everyone was reporting how few were remaining and in which stores. I'll try to get an answer on this, but if anyone else has definitive information (Patrice, are you still in France?) feel free to jump in... > (BTW, > Steve, do you also play the drums for Journey? ;-) ) Only after I've had too much garlic on my pizza right before bedtime... Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: joey baron Date: 04 Oct 1996 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) How does the album 'raised pleasure dot' compare with other albums by joey baron? I borrowed this one a while ago and was, to my utter astonishment, quite underwhealmed by it. After hearing his playing on the Masada discs, and seeing him live in a couple of Masada shows, i was sure that his solo stuff would reduce me to a small pile of ash, happily smoking away. -jascha ohyeah: i really need to find out if Masada are playing anywhere in europe at all. Can anyone help me out on this? thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Re: Buster Keaton/Bill Frisell: Stupid question time Date: 04 Oct 1996 18:25:14 -0700 James Hale wrote: > >. Bill fired Kermit immediately afterward. WHY??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olivier Nguyen Van Tan Subject: Naked City history Date: 06 Oct 1996 16:59:48 +0100 Can anyone make me a little speech about the Naked City History... I just know how they start at the Knitting factory ( I read it in the book of the KF) and I am a bit ignorant about the rest... Thanks by advance Olivier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rohan James Parkes Subject: PBS Zorn Special Date: 07 Oct 1996 16:14:04 +1000 (EST) David, Sadly, there are no tapes of this special. (In future, I should see about doing this.) I may represent it some time in the future, however. Rohan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rohan James Parkes Subject: More on PBS Special Date: 07 Oct 1996 16:19:50 +1000 (EST) David One more thing! It was a radio special, not tv! I find this is confusing a lot of people in the States. The PBS I'm referring to is a radio station. It should not be confused with the American PBS. Rohan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Date: 07 Oct 1996 08:50:12 -0500 (EST) I'd just like to mention that I picked up Bobby Previte's new album "Too Close to the Pole" last week and it's great. All that you'd expect from a Previte band - dense, driving polyrhythms; punchy horn lines; nice compositional development. Most of the players are familiar to me, but I hadn't heard of trumpeter Cuong Vu before. On this evidence, he's very good (with a Dave Douglas-like sense of formalism and huge harmonic chops). Laster and D'Angelo also play great, and you can hear Lindsey Horner quoting from old Zappa basslines. What fun. Be sure to hang around, too, for the unlisted track 7. Jason Bivins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Derek Bailey/Frith and O'Rourke Date: 07 Oct 1996 20:25:30 +0200 (METDST) Where can I get the Derek Bailey jungle techno cd? I havn't seen it anywhere. Did Zorn produce and what was the title? Has Fred Frith and Jim O'Rourke ever played together? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew C Weiner Subject: Mars & Ikue Mori: John Gavanti Date: 07 Oct 1996 18:55:00 -0400 (EDT) I just got this album, which somehow has the reputation of being the most unlistenable album of all time--great, great stuff. Anyway, there are a lot more instruments than people playing, which means that either a) they overdubbed, which seems odd for a no wave album from about '80, especially as it might seem to take more technical proficiency than these folks had, or b) they had more people on the album. The listed personnel are: Sumner Crane: vocal, guitar, piano, percussion Don Burg: Bass clarinet, vocal on one track Mark Cunningham: Horns Ikue Mori: Strings, percussion on two tracks Arlindo & Dantas Lins: percussion on one track (one that Mori is credited with percussion on) There are often more than one brass instrument (one's always a trombone, I think), and sometimes strings, percussion, and piano or guitar at the same time. I think; instrumentation isn't easiest to decipher. Does anyone know whether this was overdubbed or had more players, and if so who? (Burg is clearly a woman and no doubt the China Burg who plays guitar and vocal for Mars. Crane was Mars's other guitarist/vocalist; Cunningham, who produced John Gavanti, the bassist. Any info about the future fate of these geniuses whose commercial appeal was sabotaged by inaccurate press would also be welcome.) Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Strickland's "Zorn on Zorn" Date: 07 Oct 1996 23:28:55 -0300 Anyone know how I can find this? Saw it a long time ago on some aol branch, or something. Have searched and searched to no avail. Help me somebodyŠ thanks-RL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Re: Mars & Ikue Mori: John Gavanti Date: 07 Oct 1996 23:18:05 -0400 For what it's worth, the complete recordings of Mars have been reissued on one CD from, i think, Atavistic. Haven't heard that disc, though i have heard most of the originals. Best, Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Mayhem. Date: 07 Oct 1996 23:36:29 -0300 Looking for clues. Sculpted heads on platters, torture gardens, etc. The megaviolence biz. Where are the handles for this end of the Zorn spectrum? Whence the Grand Guignol cover photo? Love the music, and I'm intrigued as hell by the extremity of these images. Anyone have guidebooks? Maps? c'mon RL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Mayhem. Date: 07 Oct 1996 21:55:12 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Rick Lopez wrote: > Looking for clues. > Sculpted heads on platters, torture gardens, etc. > The megaviolence biz. Where are the handles for this end of the Zorn > spectrum? Whence the Grand Guignol cover photo? i'm pretty sure that this stuff is credited in the liner notes as "all photographs courtesy The Dr. Stanley B. Burns Collection of Historic Medical Photography" however, you can also view a number of these images in a book compiled by Joel Peter-Witkin (his own photography work is excellent too) called "Harms Way" here's a brief write-up from the web: Selected by Andy Grundberg in The New York Times Book Review as one of the ten best photography books of 1994, HARMS WAY brings together four unusual collections which had been hidden from then history of photography. Edited and with an introduction by Joel-Peter Witkin, the book includes turn-of-the-century crime scenes, nineteenth-century asylum inmate portraits with calligraphic annotations detailing the patient's diagnoses, nineteenth-century medical photographs, and a selection of images from the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research. Contributors include Eugenia Parry Janis, Stanley Burns, M.D. and James Crump. The ability of the photograph to show us our powerlessness in the face of madness, lust, disease and death, survives in these brittle and arresting images. American Photo called Harms Way "A disquieting ride through the heart of darkness," while William T. Vollmann in The New York Times Book Review said "The gradiloquent title is in fact accurate...It is impossible to do justice to this beautiful book, which made me realize all over again how valuable documentary photography is." hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tbramy@oz.net (Todd Bramy) Subject: B. Keaton performances. Date: 07 Oct 1996 23:15:33 -0700 Yes, Bill Frisell did perform all the music you hear on the "Buster Keaton" releases live (in the orchestra pit) at a showing of the films here in Seattle, not long before the release of the CDs. Todd ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Todd Bramy Seattle, Wa ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Derek Bailey/Frith and O'Rourke Date: 08 Oct 1996 08:26:08 +0200 At 20,25 7.10.96 +0200, you wrote: >Has Fred Frith and Jim O'Rourke ever played together? I don't know if they ever *played* together but I think the film (94) Picture of Light by Peter Mettler features a soundtrack by both of them. I'd have to check though since this relies on a dim "credit trainspotting" memory. I don't think the soundtrack was released on CD. There must also be other CDs where both of them appear of course... Stephane Vuilleumier Mikrobiologisches Institut ETH-Zurich Tel: (+41) 1 632 33 57 ETH-Zentrum/LFV Fax: (+41) 1 632 11 48 8092 Zurich email: svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch Switzerland http://www.micro.biol.ethz.ch/sv1.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: Re: Strickland's "Zorn on Zorn" Date: 07 Oct 1996 23:26:46 -0700 >Anyone know how I can find this? > >Saw it a long time ago on some aol branch, or something. Have searched >and searched to no avail. >Help me somebody=8A > >thanks-RL Edward Strickland has a book called American Composers with a chapter on Zorn in it. There's also an interview with Zorn in William Duckworth's Talking Music. Both of these books are useful in their dealings with Zorn 'cause there's relatively little fannish worship. I haven't seen any of either book online. Hope this helps. Bests Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deborah Christman Subject: Re: Strickland's "Zorn on Zorn" Date: 07 Oct 1996 14:25:15 -0700 i love to beat off too!my mom says it's bad , but i don't listen. after all i'm 32 yrs old. i don't have to listen to her any more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: [Fwd: Mayhem.] Date: 08 Oct 1996 05:57:42 -0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7BCC30B04CBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit attached. --------------7BCC30B04CBF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-zorn-list@mail.xmission.com Received: from mail.xmission.com (daemon@mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by moose.erie.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15105 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:40:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.xmission.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) id VAA00285 for zorn-list-goout; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moose.erie.net (root@moose.erie.net [199.234.142.2]) by mail.xmission.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id VAA00268 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 199.234.142.163 (bbs63.erie.net [199.234.142.163]) by moose.erie.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06706; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3259BE2D.43F8@erie.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Looking for clues. Sculpted heads on platters, torture gardens, etc. The megaviolence biz. Where are the handles for this end of the Zorn spectrum? Whence the Grand Guignol cover photo? Love the music, and I'm intrigued as hell by the extremity of these images. Anyone have guidebooks? Maps? c'mon RL --------------7BCC30B04CBF-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Sibley Subject: Cobra Video Date: 08 Oct 1996 07:34:03 +0000 Just thought I'd try once again... Does anyone know of a documentation on video of Zorn's Cobra that I could view/obtain? I'm in NYC. It is needed for research on innovative approaches to conducting. Please respond privately to: emedia@bway.net Thanks. Tom Sibley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Sibley Subject: Cobra vid? Date: 08 Oct 1996 08:06:02 +0000 Just thought I'd try once again... Does anyone know of a documentation on video of Zorn's Cobra that I could view/obtain? I'm in NYC. It is needed for research on innovative approaches to conducting. Please respond privately to: emedia@bway.net Thanks. Tom Sibley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DANIEL BITTON Subject: Re: Strickland's "Zorn on Zorn" Date: 08 Oct 1996 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Check a university library, a music library even better. I think what=20 you're talking about is an interview from a book of interviews called "the= =20 American=20 Composers" or something like that. They have it here at Concordia so=20 they'll surely have it elsewhere. On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Rick Lopez wrote: > Anyone know how I can find this? >=20 > Saw it a long time ago on some aol branch, or something. Have searched=20 > and searched to no avail. > Help me somebody=8A >=20 > thanks-RL >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: simon Subject: RE: Goebells Date: 08 Oct 1996 16:17:51 +0100 He recorded an album with Alfred Harth called Indianer Fur Morgan which was quite excellent and is unavailable, aprt from some tracks on a Japanese import (which also includes the great Peking Oper which Otomo has recently re-interpreted) Previous to this they had a big band called something like Soganantes (something) Orchestra. Now he is a composer more than performer with things like Shadow (Landscape with Argonauts), Man in an Elevator, Prometheus Unbound (which they performed in London recently amongst other pieces). He used to work a lot with German playright Heiner Muller (deceased) and has contributed to seminars at the ICA on text in music/theater. His work seems to be informed by the radical left-wing theatre of Germany which spawned Fassbinder and is wonderful theatre in itself. Highly recommend Shadow/Landscape and the Peking Oper piece he performed with Harth. simon lucas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Buster and Bill Date: 08 Oct 1996 10:21:00 -0500 (CDT) >James Hale wrote: >> >>. Bill fired Kermit immediately afterward. > >WHY??? I don't think the fall of the Bill Frisell trio had anything to do with Kermit getting fired, according to the Frisell cover story in Down Beat some months ago, Joey wanted to leave to spend more time on his own projects, and Bill didn't really have any motivation to get a new drummer and pretend it was all the same. It was for that reason that the trio sort of 'disbanded' at that point and Bill formed his new quartet. And for the records, whenever he did play the Buster Keaton music, he did so along with the films. Look on the inside cover of 'Go West.' There's a picture of them right there. Later everybody... -Tom- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: Re: Mayhem. Date: 08 Oct 1996 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) > however, you can also view a number of > these images in a book compiled by > Joel Peter-Witkin (his own photography > work is excellent too) called "Harms Way" I saw a bunch of Witkin's stuff by accident at the Gugenheim whilst visiting NYC a while ago. His photos could certainly be quite at home on the cover of a Naked City or Painkiller album - they're absolutely amazing. As for where these pictures come from, someone on this list mentioned that the titles and pictures for a few albums coincide with art books that coame out around the same period (Absinthe was one, i'm told). It is quite likely that the photo collection 'Naked City' came out in book form when zorn was looking for a name... -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Pleshar Subject: FS: Cobra, Praxis Date: 08 Oct 1996 10:00:44 -0500 (CDT) Sorry to use the list for sales, but I figure people on the list might be interested. I have for sale: John Zorn's Cobra "Live at the Knitting factory" sealed $9 (4th class post paid in the US) Praxis "Transmigration" promo excellent shape $7 (4th class post paid in US) send responses to: rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu Thanks for your time, Ralph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Pleshar Subject: FS: Cobra, Praxis Date: 08 Oct 1996 16:01:56 -0500 (CDT) Oops, the Praxis disc mentioned before and below is actually "Transmutation." The one on Axiom a few years ago. Sorry for the confusion. ----- Sorry to use the list for sales, but I figure people on the list might be interested. I have for sale: John Zorn's Cobra "Live at the Knitting factory" sealed $9 (4th class post paid in the US) Praxis "Transmigration" promo excellent shape $7 (4th class post paid in US) send responses to: rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu Thanks for your time, Ralph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Mayhem. Date: 08 Oct 1996 14:52:36 +0000 > As for where these pictures come from, someone on this list mentioned > that the titles and pictures for a few albums coincide with art books > that coame out around the same period (Absinthe was one, i'm told). It > is quite likely that the photo collection 'Naked City' came out in book > form when zorn was looking for a name... > the cover of the first Naked City albums comes from a collection of photos by a photographer named Weegee called (you guessed it, Naked City). The collection was published in 1945 (now available from DaCapo), so although it was an obvious inspiration for Zorn, it wasn't contemporaneous with Zorn's name search. The photos from Leng Tch'e were published in a book called Tears Of Eros (City Lights) in which Georges Bataille (another great inspiration for Zorn) talks about sex/death (what else?) in various works of art, from cave paintings up through photographs. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Mayhem Date: 08 Oct 1996 15:43:11 +0000 > As for where these pictures come from, someone on this list mentioned > that the titles and pictures for a few albums coincide with art books > that coame out around the same period (Absinthe was one, i'm told). It > is quite likely that the photo collection 'Naked City' came out in book > form when zorn was looking for a name... > the cover of the first Naked City albums comes from a collection of photos by a photographer named Weegee called (you guessed it, Naked City). The collection was published in 1945 (now available from DaCapo), so although it was an obvious inspiration for Zorn, it wasn't contemporaneous with Zorn's name search. The photos from Leng Tch'e were published in a book called Tears Of Eros (City Lights) in which Georges Bataille (another great inspiration for Zorn) talks about sex/death (what else?) in various works of art, from cave paintings up through photographs. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bone@best.com Subject: Re: Goebbels Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:31:59 -0700 Heiner Goebbels has released a number of excellent recordings on ECM: Der Mann Im Fahrstuhl Ensemble Modern Horstuck Ou Bien Le Debarquement Desastreux Shadow/Landscape with Argonauts "Horstuck" is a 3 CD set of radio plays (in German) - not released in the states. I don't speak German, but I like it... "Shadow/Landscape..." is one of my favorite recordings of the last few years. Goebbels recorded various people on the street in Boston reading passages from Edgar Allen Poe and Heiner Muller, mixing them together with musical passages. Definitely worth checking out. "Ensemble Modern" is an interesting collection of modern classical compositions. Bob Forgione ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bone@best.com Subject: Bar Kokhba Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:37:19 -0700 It seems to me there are plenty of copies of "Bar Kokhba" out there (I saw four copies in my local Tower). Also "Bible Launcher", which some people suggested was recalled. (It is truly the 'ultimate lease breaker', and probably the most offensive recording ever made - I don't find myself listening to it very often). Bob Forgione ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 09:39:23 -0700 Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:46:46 -0700 > from seanter@spr-ma4-01.ix.netcom.com [205.184.172.129] > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mail.xmission.com.: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... User unknown > 550 ... User unknown > > ----- Original message follows ----- > Return-Path: seanter@ix.netcom.com > Received: from spr-ma4-01.ix.netcom.com (seanter@spr-ma4-01.ix.netcom.com [205.184.172.129]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA04994 for > Message-ID: <325C616E.67E2@ix.netcom.com> > Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 19:37:34 -0700 > From: Sean Terwilliger Several times now I've seen anouncements for Rhythmagic by Aiyb Dieng to be released on Subharmonic on 10/29. Can this be true? (I've already got the import, I'm just curious). Also, Ear/Rational's new update claims to be stocking Blind Light for 14.95. If you don't have that, get it. E/R is a very reputable vender. -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 07:15:37 -0700 At 09:39 AM 10/10/96 -0700, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >Several times now I've seen anouncements for Rhythmagic by Aiyb Dieng to >be released on Subharmonic on 10/29. Can this be true? (I've already got >the import, I'm just curious). This is happening. However, Bill Laswell was not involved in this and out of respect for how Aiyb feels about it, Subharmonic's release will not be referenced at the Axiom Web Site. Someone asked on another list about royalty payments for the musicians - I can't comment, but you can read the previous sentence again. >Also, Ear/Rational's new update claims to >be stocking Blind Light for 14.95. If you don't have that, get it. E/R is >a very reputable vender. That is very interesting - Anton has been selling them himself for $20. It is possible that some of the copies that were sitting in someone's house in Japan made their way into distribution. On the topic of Anton, the new Golden Palominos disc, _Dead Inside_, with performance poet/chanter Nicole Blackman, was released this week on Restless. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:33:30 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > At 09:39 AM 10/10/96 -0700, Sean Terwilliger wrote: > > >Several times now I've seen anouncements for Rhythmagic by Aiyb Dieng to > >be released on Subharmonic on 10/29. Can this be true? (I've already got > >the import, I'm just curious). > > This is happening. However, Bill Laswell was not involved in this and out > of respect for how Aiyb feels about it, Subharmonic's release will not be > referenced at the Axiom Web Site. Someone asked on another list about > royalty payments for the musicians - I can't comment, but you can read the > previous sentence again. Thats horrible. I mean, it's a fantastic album, (so good for the folks who want to hear it) but sad about the royalties and such. I really hope Bill gets a steady reliable output for his stuff soon. Is there a Laswell list? What is the other list mentioned above??? -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 10:49:05 -0700 At 12:33 PM 10/10/96 -0700, Sean Terwilliger wrote: again. > >Thats horrible. I mean, it's a fantastic album, (so good for the folks who want to hear it) >but sad about the royalties and such. I really hope Bill gets a steady reliable output for >his stuff soon. Axiom and other Polygram labels and Sony will be putting out stuff regularly. I think there is a good relationship with Sony for jazz stuff. Unfortunately, the small labels that put out so much good experimental stuff are not usually well funded and don't have enough personnel to effectively manage promotion and distribution. Bill's most recent label, SubMeta, has gone under. A new label, Ion, is starting to put out some stuff, with its first release being _Tetragrammaton_, which has two incredible tracks combining jungle and trip hop beats with horn work from Bayard Lancaster and Graham Haynes. SubRosa is also doing a lot of work with Bill now. > >Is there a Laswell list? What is the other list mentioned above??? There is no Laswell list. The list with the most Laswell discussion on it is the ambient list, which ventures well beyond ambient when it comes to Laswell, but otherwise is filled with stuff that may or may not interest people on this list. Some of that stuff includes periodic flame wars. The ambient list is ambient@hyperreal.com and subscribing is probably to the standard majordomo type address there, otherwise, info should be at www.hyperreal.com. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger ) Subject: Re: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:34:55 -0700 You wrote: > A new label, Ion, is >starting to put out some stuff, with its first release being >_Tetragrammaton_, which has two incredible tracks combining jungle and trip >hop beats with horn work from Bayard Lancaster and Graham Haynes. Yeah, I've got that. Is it (Ion) going to have any national distribution? I had to get mine through DMG. -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell Stuff Date: 10 Oct 1996 14:29:25 -0700 At 01:34 PM 10/10/96 -0700, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >You wrote: > >> A new label, Ion, is >>starting to put out some stuff, with its first release being >>_Tetragrammaton_, which has two incredible tracks combining jungle and >trip >>hop beats with horn work from Bayard Lancaster and Graham Haynes. > > >Yeah, I've got that. Is it (Ion) going to have any national >distribution? I had to get mine through DMG. I believe a deal was signed this week with one of the indie distributors (NOT Caroline). Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@knittingfactory.com (Mark Perlson) Subject: word on Bar Kochba Date: 10 Oct 1996 17:38:35 -0500 The word on the double Masada CD: One song on the second CD will be changed. It is the same song (so the artwork will be the same) although there will be a different version of it or something. Do I hear collectors item? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Mark Perlson Knitting Factory Works - Label Manager 74 Leonard St NYC 10013 ph 212-219-3006 fax 212-219-3401 www.knittingfactory.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: Re: word on Bar Kochba Date: 10 Oct 1996 19:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > The word on the double Masada CD: > > One song on the second CD will be changed. It is the same song (so the > artwork will be the same) although there will be a different version of it > or something. Which song? Is it the same instrumentation? Isn't this getting, perchance, a tad picky for a CD which has already been released? Maybe not... > > Do I hear collectors item? Ack. -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Re: word on Bar Kochba Date: 10 Oct 1996 23:30:54 -0700 > > The word on the double Masada CD: > > > > One song on the second CD will be changed. It is the same song (so the > > artwork will be the same) although there will be a different version of it > > or something. > > Which song? Is it the same instrumentation? Isn't this getting, > perchance, a tad picky for a CD which has already been released? Maybe > not... > > > > > Do I hear collectors item? > I hope not. The last thing i want to do is start sending in CD wrappers again in hopes of recieving a "rare" Zorn CD (Like the allusive Masada 4 that I have in maximum security facility). This isn't just some scam to get us all to buy the same CD again, is it? hmmmmm............. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Lori Carson Date: 10 Oct 1996 23:39:21 -0700 Jeff, is lori carson on the new Golden Palaminos CD? And can you tell me what solo stuff she has out, what do you think of it, or what CD's have her on it that are worth getting? Thanks..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Lori Carson Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:08:46 -0700 At 11:39 PM 10/10/96 -0700, Stickman wrote: >Jeff, is lori carson on the new Golden Palaminos CD? And can you tell me >what solo stuff she has out, what do you think of it, or what CD's have >her on it that are worth getting? Nicole Blackman is the vocalist on the new Golden Palominos CD. She did one solo CD with Anton producing, about a year ago. It is very quiet and almost folky. She did one a few years before that, but I haven't heard it and I haven't found anyone that liked it. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca (Holtby) Date: 10 Oct 1996 22:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know anything about an Avant CD (40) by Duck baker entitled "Plays Herbie Nichols"? Anyone have a song list, musicians list or recommendation for this one? Is Duck Baker a legitimate improviser and does he do justice to Herbie's music? So many questions, so little time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" Subject: Man Ray Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:46:55 +0100 (BST) I was surprised to see everyone discuss Naked City cover art without mentioning the brlliant ManRay (on the "Radio" album). Photographs of perfect form and beauty. Again this is old photography. Zorn certainly knows the photogrsphy world well. And i would say that knowing a little about the art work involved definitely helps when thinking about the music. Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: Duck Baker Date: 11 Oct 1996 06:20:59 -0700 > Anyone know anything about an Avant CD (40) by Duck baker entitled >"Plays Herbie Nichols"? Anyone have a song list, musicians list or >recommendation for this one? Is Duck Baker a legitimate improviser and does >he do justice to Herbie's music? So many questions, so little time. Haven't seen the disc yet, but Baker's a great player who's done a lot of traditional, early jazz stuff as well as being on one of the first of Chadbourne's Parachute records. When I first saw this disc listed, I thought Baker's combination of trad & free playing would be a good one for a Nichols tribute, since Nichols did a lot of New orleans style playing himself. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Duck Baker Plays Herbie Nichols (was: Re: ) Date: 11 Oct 1996 10:44:46 -0700 Holtby wrote: > > Anyone know anything about an Avant CD (40) by Duck baker entitled > "Plays Herbie Nichols"? Anyone have a song list, musicians list or > recommendation for this one? Is Duck Baker a legitimate improviser and does > he do justice to Herbie's music? So many questions, so little time. The full title is "Spinning Song - Duck Baker Plays the Music of Herbie Nichols." It's a solo guitar record and it's wonderful. Here are the tracks: 1. The Third World 4:03 2. The Happenings 4:34 3. Lady Sings the Blues 5:16 4. Nick at T's 4:46 5. House Party Starting 5:22 6. 2300 Skidoo 4:01 7. Portrait of Ucha 4:06 8. 134th St. 3:46 9. Spinning Song 4:47 It's a solo guitar record. Duck uses a selection of different guitars to suit the character of the individual pieces. He is a pretty stellar improviser of the John Fahey/Leo Kottke variety (as opposed to the Derek Bailey variety!). But Henry Kaiser and Jim O'Rourke say wonderful things about him, and evidently the idea of doing a solo Nichols album was Zorn's. The disc may seem terribly conservative to those who prefer the extreme, but it's lovely and well-recorded, and really reveals the architecture of these little bop gems. I especially like the woozy blues sliding around in "Lady Sings the Blues." Baker's notes are intelligent and informative, and reveal that he spent time with the great trombonist and Nichols champion Roswell Rudd, who told Baker a great deal about Nichols's life and circumstances, affecting the way Baker interpreted the tunes. "Knowning that Ucha was 'a really crazy lady' in Nichols' life that Herbie 'maybe never really got over' made a huge difference when approaching [Portrait of Ucha]. Even the instrument used - a miniature Mexican guitar with built-in acoustic distortion - was determined by having that information," Baker writes in his notes. He also acknowledges Bruce Ackley, Ben Goldberg and John Schott as having provided "charts and pointers." A truly refreshing alternative. If it's not in stores near you now, it should be very very soon. Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Duck Baker Plays Herbie Nichols Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:33:42 -0700 Holtby wrote: > > Anyone know anything about an Avant CD (40) by Duck baker entitled > "Plays Herbie Nichols"? Anyone have a song list, musicians list or > recommendation for this one? Is Duck Baker a legitimate improviser and does > he do justice to Herbie's music? So many questions, so little time. The full title is "Spinning Song - Duck Baker Plays the Music of Herbie Nichols." It's a solo guitar record and it's wonderful. Here are the tracks: 1. The Third World 4:03 2. The Happenings 4:34 3. Lady Sings the Blues 5:16 4. Nick at T's 4:46 5. House Party Starting 5:22 6. 2300 Skidoo 4:01 7. Portrait of Ucha 4:06 8. 134th St. 3:46 9. Spinning Song 4:47 It's a solo guitar record. Duck uses a selection of different guitars to suit the character of the individual pieces. He is a pretty stellar improviser of the John Fahey/Leo Kottke variety (as opposed to the Derek Bailey variety!). But Henry Kaiser and Jim O'Rourke say wonderful things about him, and evidently the idea of doing a solo Nichols album was Zorn's. The disc may seem terribly conservative to those who prefer the extreme, but it's lovely and well-recorded, and really reveals the architecture of these little bop gems. I especially like the woozy blues sliding in "Lady Sings the Blues." Baker's notes are intelligent and informative, and reveal that he spent time with the great trombonist and Nichols champion Roswell Rudd, who told Baker a great deal about Nichols's life and circumstances, affecting the way Baker interpreted the tunes. "Knowning that Ucha was 'a really crazy lady' in Nichols' life that Herbie 'maybe never really got over' made a huge difference when approaching [Portrait of Ucha]. Even the instrument used - a miniature Mexican guitar with built-in acoustic distortion - was determined by having that information," Baker writes in his notes. He also acknowledges Bruce Ackley, Ben Goldberg and John Schott as having provided "charts and pointers." A truly refreshing alternative. If it's not in stores near you now, it should be very very soon. Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Boston ICA shows-Masada,Threadgill,Excelsior,Alva Rodgers, Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:12:30 -0400 Please see attached file for info on upcoming shows at the Boston Institute for Contemporary Art featuring Zorn's Masada, Henry Threadgill's Make a Move , Excelsior, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Boston ICA shows-Masada,Threadgill,Excelsior,Alva Rodgers, Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:20:08 -0400 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.17620.emout19.mail.aol.com.845065207 Content-ID: <0_17620_845065207@emout19.mail.aol.com.4553> Content-type: text/plain Please see attached file for info on upcoming shows at the Boston Institute for Contemporary Art featuring Zorn's Masada, Henry Threadgill's Make a Move Quintet, Excelsior, Alva Rodgers, and The Far East Side Band. Hope you can join us! Jonathan --PART.BOUNDARY.0.17620.emout19.mail.aol.com.845065207 Content-ID: <0_17620_845065207@emout19.mail.aol.com.4554> Content-type: text/plain; name="ICAPROMO" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Dear Friends and Fellow Improv Fiends,
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I am writing to inform you about an upcoming series of shows at the Insti=
tute of Contemporary Art at 955 Boylston Street, Boston, Massachussetts, =
involving a collaboration between some exceptional musicians and visual a=
rtists  =

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The music performances have been curated by Boston based independent cura=
tor Gillian Levine and the Boston Creative Music Alliance, a non-profit o=
rganization for the presentation for new music. The musicians featured in=
 this series seek to create new formal contexts for improvisations that s=
ubvert traditional ethnic, racial, or cultural boundaries. Through their =
choice of material, they create framework that explore and define new rel=
ationships between composer and performer and personal and cultural ident=
ity. The use of improvisation as a performance practise insures that the =
performers are an integral part of an ongoing dialogue that refines and r=
edefines these relationships each time a piece is played.
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Wednesday November 13, 1996, at 8 pm
Masada. New York City  composer and performer John Zorn has=
 been described as "A one man musical revolution...all over the stylistic=
 map". Masada, a quartet featuring Zorn on alto sax, Dave Douglas on trum=
pet, basist Greg Cohen, and long time collaborator Joey Barron on drums. =
Often moving in a minor-key world of lament and augmented with the intens=
ity of Zorn's vision, Masada establishes a common ground between Hebraic =
music and African American jazz. =

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Friday November 15, 1996, at 9:30 pm
Excelsior is a Boston based  quartet which includes accordi=
onist Evan Harlan, violinist Mimi Rabson, electric guitarist Claudio Raga=
zzi, and drummer Grant Smith. Drawing fromt their collective experiences =
and classical avant-garde, Irish, Klezmer, Latin, rock, and jazz, the gro=
up explores the music of European classical traditions from many differen=
t angles. Their first CD Declassified (Mark Set Go) features their=
 radical re-imagings of selections from 24 Preludes and Fugues for Pia=
no , Op.87 by Shostakovich, as well as works by Barber, Stravinsky an=
d Poulenc.  Described as "King Crimson meets Astor Piazolla," their music=
 complex-and witty-and unafraid of taking chances , yet respectful of its=
 source material.  Founder Evan Harlan has recorded and performed with th=
e Klezmer Conservatory Band, and Orange Then Blue.  Mimi Ra=
bson, a founding member of the Klezmer Conservatory Band, also lea=
ds the Really Eclectic String Quartet (RESQ). Claudio Ragazzi led =
the award winning Latin jazz quintet Ananda and has recorded and p=
erformed with Danilo Perez, Ralph Towner and others.  Grant Smith, also a=
 Klezmer Conservatory Band member, has toured with the alternative=
 rock bands the Violent Femmes and Hypnotic Clambake.
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Sunday, November 16, 1996, at 9:30 pm
Make a Move Quintet. Henry Threadgill refuses to call his w=
ork jazz. "Jazz is part of my vocabulary...(but) I consider myself an int=
ernational musician." Coming out of the Chicago Association for the Advan=
cement of Creative Musicians (AACM) of the '60s, he made waves with his f=
irst avant jazz trio Air, an interactive group that recorded twelv=
e albums, toured internationally, and remained together until the mid-80s=
=2E Switching to a larger unit, the Henry Threadgill Sextett, allo=
wed the composer to widen his exploration of instrumental roles and range=
s while blending a variety of musical styels into his repertoire. Since 1=
989 Threadgill's main vehicle has been Very Very Circus, a septet =
he named for its likeness to a multi-ringed circus with "so many things g=
oing on at once". The latest ensemble with Brandon Ross (guitar), Tony Ce=
dras (accordion and harmonium), Stomi Takeishi (bass), J.T. Lewis (drums)=
 and the leader (saxophone and flute) again brings unique instrumental so=
norities and a variety of cultural allusions into a jazz and blues based =
music for improvisers. Threadgill has participated in numerous projects w=
ith artisits in other media. He currently resides in Goa, India.
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Friday, November 22, 1996, at 9:30 pm
Alva Rogers. In an evening of songs accompanied by guitarist Marvi=
 Sewell, new York's "Down Diva"  addresses the issues of race and =
gender and cultural stereotypes with uncanny wit and directness while dra=
wing upon musical styles ranging from jazz to gospel, blues to funk. An a=
ccomplished actress, she has three films to her credit: Spike Lees' Sc=
hool Daze; a leading role in Julie Dash's Daughters of the Dust, and most recently in Shu Lea Cheang's Fresh Kill, an Eco-Cybern=
oia film. Alva Rogers has also written for and performed in a great varie=
ty of musical projects and for theater, TV, and radio. Her most recent co=
llaboration with writer/director Lisa Jones resulted in the creation of t=
wo plays produced for National Public Radio: Aunt Aida's Hand (199=
0) and Stained (1991). She recently presented Kissing and Telli=
ng - songs about life and the pursuit of love at the New York's Publi=
c Theater as part of George C Wolfe's Festival of New Voices. A native of=
 Chicago, Marvin Sewell was working with many of the local jazz and blues=
 musicians at an early age. He was a member of Jack DeJohnettte's Spec=
ial Edition, the Jorge Sylvester Quintet and PBR Streetgang=
 among others. Currently he tours with Cassandra Wilson and often pla=
ys with poet Tracy Morris.
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Saturday, November 23, 1996, at 9:30 pm
The Far East Side Band. Poet, filmmaker, and electric violinist Ja=
son K. Hwang, a second generation Asian American, bings together musician=
s from Japan, Korea, and the United States in a group that establishe a u=
nique pan-Asian identity. Featured musicians include vocalist Sang Wong P=
ark, a native of Korea, on ajang and kayagum; Yukio Tsuji from Japan, on =
shakuhachi, percussion and zither and, most recently, African American Jo=
e Daly on tuba and electronics. Redefining their notions of jazz and Asia=
n musical traditions, this collective evokes an intimately spacious tonal=
 and textural landscape. Atmospheric and texturally rich, each instrument=
 is given time to explore its own particular sound, and they combine to m=
ake a music like nothing you have ever heard. The Far East Side Band are =
much in demand at venues and festivals of new music.
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Tickets:  To Be Announced
Information: (617) 266-5152
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Hope to see you all there!
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Jonathan =

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Jonathan LaMaster                Unsound Productions
Multi-instrumentalist, composer, poet a=
nd promoter
JoLaMaSoul@aol.com
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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.17620.emout19.mail.aol.com.845065207-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Frith: "Graphic Scores" Date: 13 Oct 1996 17:40:07 +0200 (METDST) What is Fred Frith's "Graphic Scores" project? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca (Holtby) Date: 13 Oct 1996 19:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know a reliable source which stocks the Avant Catalog and sends out mail order? I've tried Cadence, but they don't have what I'm looking for. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Doug Holtby choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Frith Date: 14 Oct 1996 13:05:57 +0200 (METDST) Is there any difference between the East Side Digital and the RecRec versions of the Fred Frith cds? I have seen copies of "Guitar Solos" from both E.S.D and RecRec, and the cover "colors" were different. The cover from E.S.D were *much* darker than the RecRec and you couldn't really see his face... Is there any difference in the music? What about the other cds? Jonas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Latest releases with John Zorn and Eugene Chadbourne Date: 14 Oct 1996 21:28:45 +0800 I just found 3 new CDs with John Zorn and Eugene Chadbourne: 1.Eugene Chadbourne/Boobie With The Hook (Leo Records/UK) --Duos with Derek Bailey, Han Bennink, Charles Tyler, Volcmar Verkerk, and John Zorn. 2.Eugene Chadbourne & John Zorn/In Memory Of Nikki Arane (Incus Records/UK) 3.Environment For Sextet/S.T. (New Tone/Italy) --Re-issue of the project with Polly Bradfield, Andrea Centazzo, Eugene Chadbourne, Tom Cora, Toshinori Kondo, and John Zorn. Does anyone know more details about these items? Please kindly inform me. Thanks! Jan-Wen Lu, Taipei, TAIWAN Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Latest releases with John Zorn and Eugene Chadbourne Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:49:15 -0700 Jan-Wen Lu wrote: > > I just found 3 new CDs with John Zorn and Eugene Chadbourne: > 1.Eugene Chadbourne/Boobie With The Hook (Leo Records/UK) > --Duos with Derek Bailey, Han Bennink, Charles Tyler, Volcmar Verkerk, and > John Zorn. Haven't seen this, but with that lineup it looks like a must. (Though I confess I don't know who Verkerk is...) > 2.Eugene Chadbourne & John Zorn/In Memory Of Nikki Arane (Incus Records/UK) Totally shocked to find this one in Other Music in NYC last Saturday (shameless plug for a fab store). I'm only about halfway through but it's quite the informative bit of history for those of us who weren't there for the germinative years of Zorn. Primitive recording quality (but quite listenable), strikes me a bit like "Classic Guide to Strategy" splattering into "Book of Heads" in a dark room. Four tracks, ranging from 10 minutes to 20. Nice brief note from Eugene reveals that he and Zorn split $30 for one of these gigs. Recorded in 1980. If you don't find Incus in stores near you write to 14 Downs Road, London E5 8DS England. (Also just out is "S&M," a duo disc by highly regarded free guitarist Roger Smith and flutist Neil Metcalfe (haven't listened to this yet). > 3.Environment For Sextet/S.T. (New Tone/Italy) > --Re-issue of the project with Polly Bradfield, Andrea Centazzo, Eugene > Chadbourne, Tom Cora, Toshinori Kondo, and John Zorn. Another ur-text of the fledgling Downtown scene. Better sound than the above thanks to WKCR-FM. It's fascinating but I can't say I go back to it frequently. Still, glad it's available. I just want to mention in passing that Other Music (where I found both of the above-described discs) will have a website and worldwide mailorder service running by December, at least that's the current plan. Once I hear more I'll post... Steve ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: joey baron Date: 14 Oct 1996 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) I'd say that Raised Pleasure Snot is probably the weakest of the three. I recently aquired Crackshot and am currently a small pile of ash because of it. ___________________Scott McLemore_________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Boston ICA shows confirmed: Masada,Excelsior,Treadgill,Alva Rodgers,Hwang, Date: 14 Oct 1996 17:42:44 -0400 Dear Friends and Fellow Improv Fiends, I am writing to inform you about an upcoming series of shows at the Institute of Contemporary Art at 955 Boylston Street, Boston, Massachussetts, involving a collaboration between some exceptional musicians and visual artists. The music performances have been curated by Boston based independent curator Gillian Levine and the Boston Creative Music Alliance, a non-profit organization for the presentation for new music. The musicians featured in this series seek to create new formal contexts for improvisations that subvert traditional ethnic, racial, or cultural boundaries. Through their choice of material, they create framework that explore and define new relationships between composer and performer and personal and cultural identity. The use of improvisation as a performance practise insures that the performers are an integral part of an ongoing dialogue that refines and redefines these relationships each time a piece is played. Wednesday November 13, 1996, at 8 pm Masada. New York City composer and performer John Zorn has been described as "A one man musical revolution...all over the stylistic map". Masada, a quartet featuring Zorn on alto sax, Dave Douglas on trumpet, basist Greg Cohen, and long time collaborator Joey Barron on drums. Often moving in a minor-key world of lament and augmented with the intensity of Zorn's vision, Masada establishes a common ground between Hebraic music and African American jazz. Friday November 15, 1996, at 9:30 pm Excelsior is a Boston based quartet which includes accordionist Evan Harlan, violinist Mimi Rabson, electric guitarist Claudio Ragazzi, and drummer Grant Smith. Drawing fromt their collective experiences and classical avant-garde, Irish, Klezmer, Latin, rock, and jazz, the group explores the music of European classical traditions from many different angles. Their first CD Decla ssified (Mark Set Go) features their radical re-imagings of selections from 24 Preludes and Fugues for Piano , Op.87 by Shostakovich, as well as works by Barber, Stravinsky and Poulenc. Described as "King Crimson meets Astor Piazolla," their music complex-and witty-and unafraid of taking chances , yet respectful of its source material. Founder Evan Harlan has recorded and performed with the Klezmer Conservatory Band, and Orange Then Blue. Mimi Rabson, a founding member of the Klezmer Conservatory Band, also leads the Rea lly Eclectic String Quartet (RESQ). Claudio Ragazzi led the award winning Latin jazz quintet Ananda and has recorded and performed with Danilo Perez, Ralph Towner and others. Grant Smith, also a Klezmer Conservatory Band member, has toured with the alternative rock bands the Violent Femmes and Hypnotic Clambake. Sunday, November 16, 1996, at 9:30 pm Make a Move Quintet. Henry Threadgill refuses to call his work jazz. "Jazz is part of my vocabulary...(but) I consider myself an international musician." Coming out of the Chicago Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians (AACM) of the '60s, he made waves with his first avant jazz trio Air , an interactive group that recorded twelve albums, toured internationally, and remained together until the mid-80s. Switching to a larger unit, the Henry Threadgill Sextett, allowed the composer to widen his exploration of instrumental roles and ranges while blending a variety of musical styels into his repertoire. Since 1989 Threadgill's main vehicle has been Very Very Circus, a septet he named for its likeness to a multi-ringed circus with "so many things going on at once". The latest ensemble with Brandon Ross (guitar), Tony Cedras (accordion and harmonium), Stomi Takeishi (bass), J.T. Lewis (drums) and the leader (saxophone and flute) again brings unique instrumental sonorities and a variety of cultural allusions into a jazz and blues based music for improvisers. Threadgill has participated in numerous projects with artisits in other media. He currently resides in Goa, India. Friday, November 22, 1996, at 9:30 pm Alva Rogers. In an evening of songs accompanied by guitarist Marvi Sewell, new York's "Down Diva" addresses the issues of race and gender and cultural stereotypes with uncanny wit and directness while drawing upon musical styles ranging from jazz to gospel, blues to funk. An accomplished actress, she has three films to her credit: Spike Lees' School Daze; a leading role in Julie Dash's Daughters of the Dust, and most recently in Shu Lea Cheang's Fresh Kill, an Eco-Cybernoia film. Alva Rogers has also written for and performed in a great variety of musical projects and for theater, TV, and radio. Her most recent collaboration with writer/director Lisa Jones resulted in the creation of two plays produced for National Public Radio: Aunt Aida's Hand (1990) and Stained (1991). She recently presented Kissing and Telling - songs about life and the pursuit of love at the New York's Public Theater as part of George C Wolfe's Festival of New Voices. A native of Chicago, Marvin Sewell was working with many of the local jazz and blues musicians at an early age. He was a member of Jack DeJohnettte's Special Edition, the Jorge Sylvester Quintet and PBR Streetgang among others. Currently he tours with Cassandra Wilson and often plays with poet Tracy Morris. Saturday, November 23, 1996, at 9:30 pm The Far East Side Band. Poet, filmmaker, and electric violinist Jason K. Hwang, a second generation Asian American, bings together musicians from Japan, Korea, and the United States in a group that establishe a unique pan-Asian identity. Featured musicians include vocalist Sang Wong Park, a native of Korea, on ajang and kayagum; Yukio Tsuji from Japan, on shakuhachi, percussion and zither and, most recently, African American Joe Daly on tuba and electronics. Redefining their notions of jazz and Asian musical traditions, this collective evokes an intimately spacious tonal and textural landscape. Atmospheric and texturally rich, each instrument is given time to explore its own particular sound, and they combine to make a music like nothing you have ever heard. The Far East Side Band are much in demand at venues and festivals of new music. Tickets: To Be Announced Information: (617) 266-5152 Hope to see you all there! Jonathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathan LaMaster Unsound Productions Multi-instrumentalist, composer, poet and promoter JoLaMaSoul@aol.com ~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: He who asked Date: 14 Oct 1996 17:47:04 -0400 (EDT) I think Raised Pleasure Snot is the weakest of the three. I recently aquired Crackshot and am currently a small pile of ash because of it. Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Howie Voigt Subject: Zorn/ND split flexi!?!? Date: 14 Oct 1996 17:45:56 -0500 (CDT) Hey! I just got word from my friend that he is getting a Zorn/ND split flexi disc that was supposedly given away in some 'zine!! Can anyone post _any_ info on this? I'm too excited to wait for my friend to get his end of the trade! (^_^) Thanks! Howie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Newgarden Subject: Re: Mars Date: 15 Oct 1996 02:28:03 -0400 (EDT) > > (Burg is clearly a woman and no doubt the China Burg who > plays guitar and vocal for Mars. Crane was Mars's other > guitarist/vocalist; Cunningham, who produced John Gavanti, > the bassist. Any info about the future fate of these > geniuses whose commercial appeal was sabotaged by inaccurate > press would also be welcome.) Burg metamorphoses from time to time under various names, so it's difficult to know what we've missed... As 'Lucy Hamilton', she's recorded two exceptional improvisational albums that stand far apart from most of her former downtown co-horts -- The Drowning of Lucy Hamilton (early 80's) - instrumental duet with Lydia Lunch (piano) (mid 80's) - reissued on Atavistic Gerry Miles - with Haino Keiji (vocals, percussion) MLW (piano), Alan Licht (church pipe organ) (1996) - released on Atavistic Mark Cunningham - I believe he's teaching in Barcelona and has released an album or two which I haven't heard. I recollect that he (or was it Crane?) was involved with the early 80s group Don King...(Patrice?)...who had a very nice EP of horns & drums (who did I lend this to?) dn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Marc Cunningham/Mars Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:21:50 +0200 At 02,28 15.10.96 -0400, David Newgarden wrote: > >Mark Cunningham - I believe he's teaching in Barcelona and has released an >album or two which I haven't heard. I recollect that he (or was it Crane?) >was involved with the early 80s group Don King...(Patrice?)...who had a >very nice EP of horns & drums (who did I lend this to?) > Barcelona is correct (another sensible american expat?) The french magazine Revue & Corrigee put out a *very informative* discography and interview of Marc Cunningham in one of its last issues... *lots* of stuff I had never heard of (they did the same trick with Ikue Mori last year, and Patrice (this very unsensible european expat) took it all up in his discography). I could post a summary if anybody's interested. Stephane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: well.. Date: 15 Oct 1996 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) is the Derek Bailey/Zorn/William Parker CD on Avant out of print? i put off buying it and now can't find it anywhere. wup! hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger ) Subject: Re: well.. Date: 15 Oct 1996 06:40:44 -0700 You wrote: > > >is the Derek Bailey/Zorn/William Parker >CD on Avant out of print? i put off >buying it and now can't find it anywhere. >wup! > >hasta. > >Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. > > It's still at a shop here in Northampton, Mass. -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey@aol.com Subject: Re: well.. Date: 15 Oct 1996 11:27:48 -0400 <> My somewhat informed guess on this is that the Avant catalog is currently in a type of limbo. Rumor has it they're in negotiations with Koch for distribution, which won't affect prices but may help with availability. Until this is resolved, I don't think Avant discs are being distributed. This is why it's impossible to find the Derek Bailey jungle record, at least here in NYC. I'm sure Steve Smith can shed more light on this topic. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark@knittingfactory.com (Mark Perlson) Subject: Masada US Tour Date: 15 Oct 1996 12:13:46 -0500 I don't know if the Masada US tour dates have been posted here yet, but here they are as of today: John Zorn's Masada: Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, Baron Nov 9 Barrister's - Memphis, TN Nov 10 Univ. of Florida - Gainesville, FL Nov.11 Variety Playhouse - Atlanta, GA Nov 12 Bijou Theatre - Knoxville, TN Nov 13 Institute of Contemporary Art - Boston, MA Nov 14 Wexner Center - Colombus, OH Nov 15 Maritime Hall - San Francisco, CA Nov 16 Showbox - Seattle, WA Nov 17 Boulder Theatre - Boulder, CO Nov 18 Flynn Theatre - Burlington, VT Please contact the venues if you have any questions about show times and prices. Enjoy! Mark ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Mark Perlson Knitting Factory Works - Label Manager 74 Leonard St NYC 10013 ph 212-219-3006 fax 212-219-3401 www.knittingfactory.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bi126@scn.org (Ryan Kael Coffey) Subject: EAR/rational music #? Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:14:31 -0700 (PDT) IF anyone could forward me the number or e-mail of EAR/rational, I woiuld be most appreciative. Thanks Ryan Coffey bi126@scn.org -- "I'm so bad I kick my own ass twice a day, so you ain't sayin' nothin'" - The Hamburger Pimp Ryan Coffey bi126@scn.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: well.. Date: 15 Oct 1996 14:35:38 -0700 JonAbbey@aol.com wrote: > My somewhat informed guess on this is that the Avant catalog is currently in > a type of limbo. Rumor has it they're in negotiations with Koch for > distribution, which won't affect prices but may help with availability. I never fail to be impressed by the way information gets around... :-) As the saying goes, I have no comment at this time. I'm not being coy... it's just not something I know too much about just yet. But it wouldn't surprise me. Steve ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Walsh Subject: CDs for sale\trade Date: 15 Oct 1996 17:59:00 PDT Hello, Either my room is shrinking or my CD collection is just getting way too big, so I'm interested in selling\trading some of my CD's to remove some of the cluttered mess. Only a few are really Zorn related, so here's the few that I'm willing to sell\trade that pertains to this list. Mystic Fugu Orchestra - "Zohar" - Zorn & Eye - Strange stuff I'm sure you've read about many times here. Improvised Music - New York, 1981 Zorn, Fred Frith, Derek Bailey, Sonny Sharrock, Bill Laswell, Charles Noyes. - Recording quality isn't very good, but I've NEVER seen this CD anywhere (well, except this one) Guitar Organism - Kazuyuki K. Null w/ Fred Frith, Guy Lohnes, Ichiro Agata, Jim O'Rourke Noisy guitar duets, What you'd probably expect from Null. I may have more, but it could take forever to get through my CD collection. I have tons of rock\alternative stuff I'm interested in unloading, so if you're looking for something along those lines, let me know and I might have it. Anyone interested in any of the above can e-mail me a price or a list of possible trades. Sorry to use this list for selling stuff, but I figured if they're just going to sit in my room, then better to find someone on this list that might want them. Also, someone posted the dates for Masada, and I thought since it was left out that I'd mention again that they will be coming to Philadelphia at the International House at Penn University on November 3rd. Hope to see some of you there. Matt Walsh mattw@smginc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Subject: Re:Derek Bailey/Zorn/William Parker and Derek Bailey/Ninj Date: 16 Oct 1996 09:20:17 +1000 >>is the Derek Bailey/Zorn/William Parker >>CD on Avant out of print? i put off >>buying it and now can't find it anywhere. >>wup! >> >>hasta. >>Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. >It's still at a shop here in Northampton, Mass. >-Sean Saw a copy in Gaslight records in Melbourne Australia :-) Also, has anyone bought the Derek Bailey/Ninj release on AVANT? What is it like? Take care and God Bless! Richie Teh Email: richie@cst.com.au Software Engineer URL: www.cst.com.au/~richie Creative Software Technologies, Australia "Gassy, the little-known, unloved eighth dwarf." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Subject: Members of Mr Bungle to perform John Zorn's Cobra in Melbourne Australia Date: 16 Oct 1996 09:34:25 +1000 Hi all, Member of Mr. Bungle and others (They're touring Oz at the moment) will be performing John Zorn's Cobra here in Melbourne at The Continental Cafe on the 21st Oct. I received my tickets yesterday!! Take care and God Bless! Richie Teh Email: richie@cst.com.au Software Engineer URL: www.cst.com.au/~richie Creative Software Technologies, Australia "Gassy, the little-known, unloved eighth dwarf." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony J Saunders Subject: Re: Zorn/ND split flexi!?!? Date: 15 Oct 1996 19:55:36 -0400 (EDT) well, thje flexi consists of two napalm death songs from just as they began to suck, and i think one new naked city song + one from torture garden. Check the 180's+ release zorn discography list for more details, availible somewhere on the net... On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Howie Voigt wrote: > > Hey! > > I just got word from my friend that he is getting a Zorn/ND split > flexi disc that was supposedly given away in some 'zine!! > > Can anyone post _any_ info on this? > I'm too excited to wait for my friend to get his end of the > trade! (^_^) > > Thanks! > Howie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Frisell/Horvitz Inquiry Date: 15 Oct 1996 20:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Ok, here's one to ponder: I was glancing back through what I guess was last March's issue of Down Beat, with Mr. Bill on the cover. It kind of blew through a bunch of what he would be working on (touring, new Ginger Baker record, etc), and one thing they mentioned was that he and Wayne Horvitz had been down in Nashville (yes, Nashville) working on a country (yes, country) record that should see the light by the end of this year. Is anyone able to at least marginally validate this and affirm I'm not crazy? If this is the case, then I can't begin to imagine.... Later on all, have a good one... Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Frisell/Horvitz Country Date: 15 Oct 1996 23:09:10 -0400 At 8:36 PM 10/15/96, Tom Benton wrote: >Ok, here's one to ponder: I was glancing back through what I guess was >last March's issue of Down Beat, with Mr. Bill on the cover. It kind of >blew through a bunch of what he would be working on (touring, new Ginger >Baker record, etc), and one thing they mentioned was that he and Wayne >Horvitz had been down in Nashville (yes, Nashville) working on a country >(yes, country) record that should see the light by the end of this year. >Is anyone able to at least marginally validate this and affirm I'm not >crazy? If this is the case, then I can't begin to imagine.... I imagine it would sound very much like the Copland "covers" that Frisell has done...his sound lends itself very much to country music and American-folk harmony (a la Copland) in many ways. And as Zorn says in the liner notes of News for Lulu: "When Bill does surface from the trio texture he kills you with one of his tasty country funk lines." | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl Subject: F.Frith, Masada, Praxis concerts in Poland Date: 16 Oct 1996 09:23:09 +0100 There are still much trouble to buy Zorn etc. CD's in Poland. Not only that they're not available but also for the price. I've got the "unofficial" VHS "PAL" copy of official, proffesional recording of MASADA, F.Frith and PRAXIS concerts in Poland made by Polish Television. MASADA played on Warsaw Summer Jazz Festival, July 1994, F.Frith played with Rene Lussier, Mark Stewart and Nick Didkovsky in Bydgoszcz, October 1995, supported by polish "MAZZOLL and Arythmick Perfection" PRAXIS played on Warsaw Summer Jazz Festival, June 1996. I am interested in exchanging these materials for CD's which I can't buy in Poland (e.g. FILMWORKS II) by post. (One VHS copy for one CD). All of these VHS copies are the first copy from professional Betacam SP tape. Everybody who is inerested in and would like to help me, please conact on e-mail: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl I could also buy and send an unique polish edition of "LIVE IN POLAND": Wayne Horvitz & Pig Pen in the same way. Sorry for my English. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Wayside Date: 16 Oct 1996 10:05:24 +0200 (METDST) I've lost Wayside's email adress. Could somebody please send it to me? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: New Music Web tour Date: 16 Oct 1996 02:16:48 -0700 I've recently put together a new music "tour" for Arts Wire, an online community of artists & arts organizations. This "tour" lists about 60-70 new music sites with brief descriptions. While it's by no means entirely "downtown" oriented, I hope you find it useful. If you have suggestions for other new music sites, please respond to this or send them to the e-mail address at the site. And if you want to learn more about Arts Wire, check out their general site. Bests Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deborah Christman Subject: Re: Wayside Date: 15 Oct 1996 14:40:11 -0700 i wish zorn would die. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: praxis and masada questions Date: 16 Oct 1996 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. Are there any web sites with audio files of masada recordings so I can hear what they sound like? Also, I've seen a lot of reference on this list to Praxis. Who are they and what kind of sound do they have? thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Frisell/Horvitz Inquiry Date: 16 Oct 1996 10:26:13 -0700 Tom Benton wrote: > [snip] and one thing they mentioned was that he and Wayne > Horvitz had been down in Nashville (yes, Nashville) working on a country > (yes, country) record that should see the light by the end of this year. It's true. Can't say too much about it except that it's done, and includes the angelic-voiced fiddler Allison Krauss as well. Evidently she's a fan... Recorded for Nonesuch and probably coming next year, not this. Steve ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Wayside Date: 16 Oct 1996 09:45:59 -0800 >i wish zorn would die. Why, so all those obscure records we've been collecting all these years would finally get some collectors value? So Zorn could finally be recognized as an important composer? So that record labels would finally re-issue all of his out of print works? Or just so that he could jam with Jerry Garcia? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: zorn-list INFO PACK (please save) Date: 16 Oct 1996 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) The zorn-list and digest now has 411 subscribers. What follows is the zorn-list info packet that I send out periodically (I would never be so bold as to say monthly). If you don't have a copy saved, please do so now...it will be useful someday (like when you need to unsubscribe). Thanks and Have Fun, mike rizzi zorn-list-owner ABOUT THE ZORN LIST The Zorn list was created so that fans of John Zorn and his MANY projects could come together and chat about the man and his music...Naked City, Masada, Painkiller, etc..... Also discussed on this list, are: Bill Laswell, Bill Frisell, Elliott Sharp, Bobby Previte, Wayne Horvitz, Zeena Parkins, Knitting Factory roster artists, Joey Baron, Last Exit posse, and any other downtown NYC connected musicians. SENDING MESSAGES TO THE ZORN LIST To post to the list, send your mail to zorn-list@xmission.com This will distribute your words of wit and wisdom to everyone who is subscribed to the list. REPLYING TO MESSAGES ON THE LIST If you reply to someone on the list, it will only go to that person unless you explicitly add zorn-list@xmission.com to the To: or Cc: fields of the mail message header. Also, when replying to a message, please please PLEASE trim the contents of the original message down to the relevant sentence(s). This will save bandwidth and keep the digests/archives neat, tidy and easy-to-read. NORMAL OR DIGEST MODES This mailing list will be sending out messages as they are received (normal mode aka "regular mail" aka "real-time mode") in order to facilitate discussion and timely notice of shows. If you want to receive a digest form of the zorn mailing list (one email for every bunch of messages), then send subscribe zorn-list-digest unsubscribe zorn-list end as the body of a message (the Subject line is ignored) to majordomo@xmission.com UNSUBSCRIBING To unsubscribe from the mailing list send either unsubscribe zorn-list or unsubscribe zorn-list-digest as the body of a message (the Subject line is ingored) to majordomo@xmission.com ARCHIVES Back issues are available via anonymous FTP at: ftp.xmission.com: /pub/lists/zorn-list/archive or with your favorite web browser at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive HUMAN CONTACT If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, do not hesitate to contact Mike Rizzi (that's me) at zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Thanks for joining! Enjoy! mike rizzi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Sorry bout the multiple Zorn @ICA posts! Date: 16 Oct 1996 15:04:37 -0400 Sorry about my VERY goofy multiple posting of the line-up for the upcoming shows at the Boston ICA! My AO(smel)L wuz telling me that my email was not recieved...Guess it's REALLY time to drop their sorry excuse for a service once and for all... Thank god for the new free email services like Juno Software (shameles plug) Please resume yer discuss... Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: painkiller question Date: 16 Oct 1996 16:55:55 -0400 (EDT) I noticed in the info message about this list that john zorn is or was with a group called painkiller. I went over to cdconnection and they have a cd by the group called execution ground. Does anyone have this and can you give me a review on it? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Re: Zorn in Europe Date: 17 Oct 1996 00:25:12 +0200 (METDST) Anyone has any dates for the Fred Frith Quartet? JOHN ZORN BAR KOKHBA =20 European Tour - October 1996 =20 __________________________________________ =20 October 1996 =20 Tuesday 22 Hamburg (Germany) - Fabrik =20 Wednesday 23 Basel (Switzerland) - Kulturwerkstatt Kaserne =20 Thursday 24 Mestre VE (Italy) - Teatro Toniolo =20 Friday 25 Stainach (Austria) - Cultur Centrum Wolkenstein =20 Saturday 26 Salzburg (Austria) - Elisabethb=FChne =20 Sunday 27 K=F6ln (Germany) - Stadtgarten =20 Monday 28 Utrecht (Holland) - Tivoli =20 Tuesday 29 Gent (Belgium) - Vooruit Kunsten Centrum =20 Wednesday 30 Bochum (Germany) - Bahnhof Langendreer =20 Thursday 31 Paris (France) - Hot Brass =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: painkiller question Date: 16 Oct 1996 16:21:01 -0700 At 04:55 PM 10/16/96 -0400, slawlor wrote: >I noticed in the info message about this list that john zorn is or was >with a group called painkiller. I went over to cdconnection and they >have a cd by the group called execution ground. Does anyone have this >and can you give me a review on it? Thanks for the information. Disc One: Loud, aggressive, almost thrashy stuff, pretty hardcore. Disc Two is labeled ambient and is some of the darkest ambient around. Good stuff. Japanese version adds a third live disc. Great cover photo (can be seen at web site below on Subharmonic page.) Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: painkiller question Date: 16 Oct 1996 16:56:09 -0800 (PST) in reply to your review of execution ground: the setup is Mick Harris (Ex napalm death), bill laswell (Master of the DEEP) on bass, and zorn on sax. Their older stuff (Guts of a virgin & Buried secrets) are basically spastic fits of chaos and emotion, and I LOVE THEM! Execution ground is my favorite. first off, GO BUY IT! the first disc starts spastic (one of the best album intros i've ever heard) and moves on into deathy ambient dub (DEEP BASS ala laswell). there's 3 songs, and each are awesome. Laswell's influence is more clear on this album (especially since the other disc in the set is ambient, and equally as awesome). I could go on, but you should just get it & love it. I do. Also, everyone needs at least on copy of (Pleasanton, CA locals) Smashing Lenny's mellons & a band called WALSHSTONE. ok. that's all. -Josh martin On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, slawlor wrote: > I noticed in the info message about this list that john zorn is or was > with a group called painkiller. I went over to cdconnection and they > have a cd by the group called execution ground. Does anyone have this > and can you give me a review on it? Thanks for the information. > > > scott K. Lawlor > 3358 Prange Dr. > Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 > Phone, 330-922-4895 > http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: silver whale Subject: Re: Wayside Date: 17 Oct 1996 16:00:24 +0200 (GMT+0200) On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Dave Trenkel wrote: > >i wish zorn would die. > > Why, so all those obscure records we've been collecting all these years > would finally get some collectors value? So Zorn could finally be > recognized as an important composer? So that record labels would finally > re-issue all of his out of print works? Or just so that he could jam with > Jerry Garcia? Or Karen Carpenter? teemu _-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__- e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on." Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market' http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html _-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__-=-__- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James A Sellers Subject: Aizona? Date: 17 Oct 1996 14:17:36 -0400 (EDT) I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And where can I get it? -Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:27:26 -0700 It's Azonic, mostly noisy feedbacky guitar, mostly solo except for a little bass from Bill Laswell. I like it, but I can't say I play it more than once a year. The label is Strata, availability is fairly poor since the pressing was pretty small and the label is more or less gone. It seems to pop up in used bins every now and then. At 02:17 PM 10/17/96 -0400, James A Sellers wrote: > >I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or >something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot >God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a >better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD >but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody >have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And >where can I get it? > >-Jim > > > Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: Wayside Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:08:57 -0800 (PST) Hello. I have a BIG Question for everyone: I am very very interested in getting a recording of the ever-elusive Masada 4. If anyone has it, email me at: martinj@sonoma.edu I will send a blank tape, return postage, and a returning package. I need to have this item. If anyone can help, let me know. Josh Martin Oh, and how is Zorn's "classic guide to strategy"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:40:51 -0800 (PST) it's called azonic halo, and it's on bill laswell's old label strata. It's ok, but nothing great. There's a reason it was in the used bin. On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, James A Sellers wrote: > > I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or > something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot > God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a > better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD > but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody > have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And > where can I get it? > > -Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Dead Inside Date: 17 Oct 1996 20:40:20 -0700 Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the point where I have to get her solo CD's. Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing images that have ever been uttered lyrically. Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, "Drown" is quite good). Any comments? Jeff? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Dead Inside Date: 17 Oct 1996 21:04:48 -0700 Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the point where I have to get her solo CD's. Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing images that have ever been uttered lyrically. Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, "Drown" is quite good). Any comments? Jeff? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Dead Inside Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:41:12 -0700 I would disagree strongly with this characterization. At first, I thought it was somewhat bleak, lyrically, but after a few weeks of listening it dawned on me how funny it is. There is a tremendous amount of humor on this CD, and, if you like somewhat ambient/techno grooves, great music. Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." At 08:40 PM 10/17/96 -0700, Stickman wrote: >Well, I picked up the new Golden Palominos CD, "Dead Inside." > >First, I must say that I love "Pure" & "This is how it feels"...both >CD's really grow on you with repeated listening. I've grown very >attached to that innocent-sweet-playful- voice of Lori Carson...to the >point where I have to get her solo CD's. > >Anyway, Back to Dead Inside: I have to program my CD player to skip the >first track, "Victim". It truely portrays some of the most disturbing >images that have ever been uttered lyrically. > >Maybe it's just me, but the whole CD is rather bleak, or dark and >nihilistic.... but I think it's just actually the lyrics & Nicole >Blackman's voice. It reminds me of a pissed-off Lori Anderson...no >singing, just spoken word over music....which can be great (the track, >"Drown" is quite good). > >Any comments? Jeff? > > Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: naes@best.com (Naes) Subject: masada cd #4 Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:52:51 -0800 sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but i have desperately been seeking this as well, i have had numerous friends in japan looking for the disc but with no such luck at all, im willing to pay a good amount of money or trade bootlegs of stuff i have or whatever, i will do anything for a copy! i just want to hear for crying out loud! please e-mail me and i will be forever greatful! naes@best.com -masada fan whose life would finally have meaning and be complete if he could hear #4!!!!!!! aka naes At 5:08 PM 10/17/96, martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote: >Hello. >I have a BIG Question for everyone: >I am very very interested in getting a recording of the ever-elusive >Masada 4. If anyone has it, email me at: martinj@sonoma.edu >I will send a blank tape, return postage, and a returning package. >I need to have this item. If anyone can help, let me know. >Josh Martin > >Oh, and how is Zorn's "classic guide to strategy"? Naes' pick o' da week: John Zorn - Bar Kokhba (Tzadik/Hips Road) homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction) Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702 homepage: moving to new address shortly... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Re: Dead Inside Date: 17 Oct 1996 22:10:52 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > At first, I thought it was somewhat bleak, lyrically, but after a few weeks of listening it > dawned on me how funny it is. I'll try to find the humor...i got the CD about 3 days ago. The first cut is so disturbing....funny? i dont know.....hmmm.....i mean I do laugh through all the David Lynch movies... > Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term > "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel > that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and > occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie > Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." Jeff, would it be possible to send me that review (or even Nicole's response?)? And also, will there be a remix CD of selected tracks, as with the previous CD's? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Dead Inside Date: 17 Oct 1996 20:21:14 -0700 At 10:10 PM 10/17/96 -0700, Stickman wrote: >Jeff Spirer wrote: >> Also, when I reviewed it a few months ago on another list, I used the term >> "spoken word," and I got email from Nicole stating that she did not feel >> that was appropriate, that she was half speaking, half chanting, and >> occasionally almost singing. Fair enough, and it is closer to Laurie >> Anderson (with far better rhythm tracks) than "spoken word." > > >Jeff, would it be possible to send me that review (or even Nicole's >response?)? I will have to get it from another computer since I changed a few weeks ago. I will ask Nicole about posting her comments. It was Anton who used "spoken word" when describing it to me last spring. >And also, will there be a remix CD of selected tracks, as >with the previous CD's? Anton is planning to have one. Not clear yet when that will happen. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:27:26 -0700 It's Azonic, mostly noisy feedbacky guitar, mostly solo except for a little bass from Bill Laswell. I like it, but I can't say I play it more than once a year. The label is Strata, availability is fairly poor since the pressing was pretty small and the label is more or less gone. It seems to pop up in used bins every now and then. At 02:17 PM 10/17/96 -0400, James A Sellers wrote: > >I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or >something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot >God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a >better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD >but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody >have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And >where can I get it? > >-Jim > > > Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Marc Cunningham/Mars Date: 18 Oct 1996 12:20:02 +0200 Here is the stuff about Mark Cunningham I found in the latest issue (28, June 96) of "Revue et Corrigee". In fact it is an interview of Mark Cunningham based on a selection of tracks with him playing. No exhaustive discography then, but lots of (to me) obscure references. The list gives some records on which M.C. can be found but not the actual song titles (it is unclear from the references given if the record is by only one group/band/performer). I left out the Mars records. In the interview, MC also mentions a band called 3M which only did "2-3 concerts" and featured himself with Mark Miller and Christian Marclay. - John Gavanti: John Gavanti (Hyrax, 1980) w/ Ikue Mori, Don Burg - Don King: One Two Punch (Double Vision, 1985) w/ Lucy Hamilton, Arto Lindsay - Blixa Bargeld: Untitled in "All guitars" (Tellus 10 CT) w/ Arto Lindsay - Bewitched: Chocolate/Frenzy/Swamp Shoot (Shov Records, 12", 1986) w/ Bob Bert - Don King: In: On The Mediterranean (Edicion 4Sellos, 1987) w/ Lucy Hamilton - Lizzy Mercier Descloux: Suspense (Polydor, LP, 1988) w/ Bruce Smith, Constanza Burg - Fist of Facts: Fugitive Vesco (Helvete Underground Records, LP, 1988) w/ Liquid Liquid members - Emilio Cubeiro: Death of an asshole (Widowspeak, 1989) - Fist of Facts: in Trying to Make It to the end of the century (G33G, 1990) - Steroid Maximus: Gondwanaland (Big Cat 1992) - Raeo: Adios Jupiter (G33G) w/ Lucy Hamilton - Raeo: XV El Diablo (G33G, 1992) - Bel Canto Orquestra: in IX El Ermitano, (G33G, 1992) w/ Pascal Comelade - Pascal Comelade: El Cabaret Galactic (Evva Records, 1994) - Mark Cunningham: in Noise Club Uno (Por Caridad Producciones) Since I'm ripping off somebody's (Jacques Debout's) research, here are the credits: R&C is an excellent quaterly magazine on experimental music with a very nice layout, usually 48 pages. And: it's in french :-) Revue et Corrigee No 28 (quarterly; 100 FF/year outside France, about 20$) Address: Revue & Corrigee Nota Bene 25 rue du Docteur Bordier 38100 Grenoble, France tel. +33 476 49 32 00 fax +33 476 84 03 82 Stephane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 18 Oct 1996 10:14:00 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > It's Azonic, mostly noisy feedbacky guitar, mostly solo except for a little > bass from Bill Laswell. I like it, but I can't say I play it more than once > a year. > > The label is Strata, availability is fairly poor since the pressing was > pretty small and the label is more or less gone. It seems to pop up in used > bins every now and then. I don't know the Strata recording but feel compelled to add my 2¢ worth regarding one of the more interesting surprises of last year's purchases: the Sub Rosa disc "Skinner's Black Box," which is half Andy Hawkins (Azonic) and half Justin Broadrick (Godflesh). I'm not the biggest fan of Blind Idiot God or Godflesh but I picked this up as it's part of the swell Subsonic series, which is always at least interesting. While it's the Justin Broadrick stuff that really knocked me for a loop (icy cold bleak technoscrape guitar), I remember the Azonic stuff being pleasant enough (and distinctly seem to remember tabla drums in the mix...). For anyone who hasn't seen this series yet, it's up to its fourth release. There's a Fred Frith/Mark Ribot split CD in a yellow jewelcase, a Bill Laswell/Nik Bullen split CD in a red case, and just out is a Page Hamilton/Caspar Brötzmann duo disc in an orange case. (The Azonic/ Broadrick is green.) And say, Jeff, how's the new Laswell drums 'n' bass thing with Ninj? Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DANIEL BITTON Date: 18 Oct 1996 10:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Just picked up Tim Berne's Mutant Variations. So far I've only had the time for absorbing the first two tracks. Anybody have anything to say about this record, or any other Berne stuff? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Date: 18 Oct 1996 12:07:56 -0700 DANIEL BITTON wrote: > > Just picked up Tim Berne's Mutant Variations. So far I've only had > the time for absorbing the first two tracks. Anybody have anything to say > about this record, or any other Berne stuff? It's his seventh album, but still pretty early in his overall development. If you like it you should check out its predecessor, "The Ancestors," which adds the always-worthwhile Ray Anderson to the mix. (Also, for those looking for the first two LPs "The Five Year Plan" and "7X," Tim just found several boxes of sealed copies in his basement and sold them to Little Brother, a label and distributor based in Portland.) I don't know how widely this is known, but the long-awaited reissue of the Tim Berne/Bill Frisell duo CD "Theoretically" hit stores on Tuesdaythe 15th, as did a Koch Jazz reissue of the deleted Columbia title "Fulton Street Maul" which featured Berne, Frisell, Hank Roberts and Alex Cline. "Fulton Street Maul" is a dense, challenging record, and one that I'm particularly pleased to have convinced my company to reissue. "Sanctified Dreams," a truly excellent introduction to Tim's work, is due for reissue in March. Tim really came into his own during his years on JMT, further refining the raucous, angular, funky style he's known for now. "Fractured Fairy Tales" is a great place to start, but be advised that a lot of the JMT stuff is currently out of print and may be completely unavailable for a long time. In particular, if you see the two albums by Miniature (Berne plus Roberts and Baron) grab 'em before they're gone. The Blood Count discs on JMT are still widely available, and feature Tim with a really strong working band of Chris Speed, Mike Formanek and Jim Black, with special guest Marc Ducret on electric guitar. The feature that stands out to many is the extraordinary length of the tunes -- from 15 or 20 minutes to 40 or even nearly 50! -- but these are suites of sustained invention and multiple moods, and for this admittedly strongly biased listener they never get dull. Start with the track "The Other" for a great intro to this band. Tim's got two new projects coming soon. JMT's successor label, Winter and Winter, will be issuing a trio record called Big Satan which features Berne with Marc Ducret and Tom Rainey. So far Winter and Winter has yet to find an American distributor but I'm sure they will get one by the time this record is due in February. [WARNING: THE FOLLOWING COULD BE CONSTRUED AS AN ADVERTISEMENT, SO BAIL OUT HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT...] The other project, one I'm personally involved with, is Tim's return to self-released independence. He's got a new label, ScrewGun, which I'm helping him run. We plan to have the first release available by December. We hope to have it in all the better jazz and alternative stores, we'll do mailorder and have a website, and he'll be selling the disc on his Bloodcount tour next spring. It's called "Bloodcount Unwound" and is a three CD set of live Bloodcount recordings from Berlin and Ann Arbor, recorded in 1995 without Ducret. Very little material is repeated from the JMT releases, and there are some seriously stomping new pieces like "Mr. Johnson's Blues." Three discs in a letter-pressed cardboard box, retailing for $30. (We gave up on the idea of a latex package to keep the costs down...) The mastering was done by David Torn over the last two weeks and is said to be extraordinary (I've not heard the finished master yet). We have lots of plans for future ScrewGun releases by Tim and other artists, and Tim plans to keep the prices as low as possible. When there's more details to be shared I'll let you know. You're the first to hear about any of this... Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 18 Oct 1996 09:21:55 -0700 At 10:14 AM 10/18/96 -0700, Steve Smith wrote: >And say, Jeff, how's the new Laswell drums 'n' bass thing with Ninj? This depends on how much you like drums 'n' bass, which on this list may be an interesting question. I really like when I'm in the right mood. You wouldn't want to listen to this while waiting for the results of a pregnancy test, for example. In other words, it is frenetic drums 'n' bass with a little synth stuff thrown in. Ninj is certainly one of the best practitioners in this genre, and it is far more interesting than a lot of other stuff. However, for Zorn listers, Tetragramaton: _Submerge_ might be far more desirable. This mixes up the beats a little more, with some drums 'n' bass and showcases Bayard Lancaster and Graham Haynes on two long Material tracks. Fairly typical Laswell treatments on the horn tracks, so purists (can't imagine there are all that many on this list) beware, amazing incorporation of electronic beats tracks with Indian drone with ambient synth with horns. The other three tracks (one from Fullcone, one from DJ Spooky, one from David Quinlan and DJ Soul Slinter) fall more-or-less in the trip hop genre. Also coming is _Arcana 2_, with Tony Williams, Ornette, Pharoah, Laswell, and a whole bunch more. Jeff Spirer http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ Axiom Records/Material Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Allen Huotari" Subject: Re: Aizona? Date: 18 Oct 1996 09:37:52 PST the correct name is Azonic Halo good luck finding it, I'm pretty sure it's out of print ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: James A Sellers at smtpgate I saw a disk in a used CD bin entitled, Aizona??? or Aizonium? or something to that effect. In any case, this disk featured the Blind Idiot God guys doing some amazing noise guitar trance stuff for lack of a better description. This CD case looks exactly like the Death Cube K CD but was entitled something like Aizona or something like that. Anybody have any answers to what I'm talking about? What is the correct name? And where can I get it? -Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Masada Tix(ICA) go on sale this Wednesday Date: 21 Oct 1996 12:53:36 -0400 Tickets for Masada at the Boston Institute for Contemporary Art will go on sale this Wednesday, Oct. 23. You can contact the ICA box office at (617) 927-6620. Cost should be about $12 per ticket, and even less ($10?) for ICA Members. We'll see you there! Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim McLoughlin Subject: Net Sounds? Date: 21 Oct 1996 14:55:12 -0400 (EDT) I have recently checked out a number of live shows of various artists on the internet via Real Audio. Just curious if anyone on this list knows of Zorn related websites that utilize Real Audio technology to provide Live Music or Album Clips. Thanks. -- Jim McLoughlin jm8w@virginia.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maf165@aol.com Subject: Heretic Date: 21 Oct 1996 19:11:43 -0400 I'm interested in seeing the film Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles, that goes with the Naked City album. Has anyone seen this film and, if so, can you send me a review? Not surprisingly (judging from the pictures on the CD sleeve) it's not available here in Mississippi. If anyone knows where I can find it, please let me know. Marc Foster maf165@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh) Subject: John Zorn's Cobra in Melbourne Date: 22 Oct 1996 11:22:12 +1000 Hi all, Yesterday nite, I experienced Zorn's Cobra for the first time. Before that, I have no experience with the rules of Cobra nor have I heard any of the released Cobra CDs, so I went to the show with no pre-concept of what it's all about, but I was very excited about it because I know I'll be surprised and surprised I did!! The show was held in The Continental in South Yarra in the City of Melbourne. The place was packed at around 9:30pm. BTW, no tickets were available on the nite, it was completely sold out. The musicians involved in this show were members of Mr. Bungle (who's currently touring Oz), and others. Sorry I'm not very familiar with Mr. Bungle (except Mike Patton who was present) and the other musicians so I can't list any names. Two performance were made before the start of Cobra. The first, lasting at about 30 mins features a double bass-player, a gong player and a prompter who also fiddled with a sampler (? - not sure what it was, but it made some weird noises) and also rubbing a beer bottle against some stylofone (sp?) which made some horrible screeching noise (imagine scratching the blackboard with your finger nails and having it amplified a 100 times....YUCK!!!). This piece was kinda interesting, the prompter signals to each musicians what to play, what intensity to play, and when to stop. Off course, there won't any groove happening, each musician basically "improvised" when promted. I thought the ending was really cool as the gong player hammers the gong, building up a college of sound ending this performance with a bang. The second performance involved Mike Patton on "sampler"-thingy and a percussionist (same guy who played the gong earlier) who played a variety of Asian percussion such as a Korean flower drum, some Chinese ritual cymbals etc. In this performance, the duo created an atmosphere similar to a Japanese traditional opera. Patton chants and mumble emotionally like an Jap opera singer while the percussionist beats the drums. It's hard to explain since I'm no expert in Jap trad music, but it's really deep. Some members of the audience were laughing away because Patton was basically "singing" in gibberish, but both of them were really serious about what they were doing and also with the atmosphere they were creating. This made me think about how these days the more adventurous western musicians (Derek Bailey, Laswell, Zorn etc) are incorporating Eastern influences into their experiments/improvisations while the Eastern world are trying to become more Westernised. The 2nd performance lasted approx 30mins again. Then the game started. There were, from left of stage to the right, a trombone/saxophone/duck-wistle player, a cellist, a drummer, an electric bass player, another drummer, an acoustic guitar player, a double bass player, Patton on "sampler"-thingy and voice, a flute/saxphone player and a keyboard/sampler player. All these musicians were on the stage and the game-master/prompter person is standing off stage. Bare in mind that the Continetal is not exactly a huge place, therefore there won't a lot of space to move around. Again, I'm not familiar with how thing works in Cobra so I spend a whole lot of time figuring out what happened or what the hand signals and cards meant. (Anyone care to share the rules of the game?). All in all, they played, I think, 5 sets of games, and were asked to do another one from the enthusiastic audience. The entire set took close to 1:30hrs. The best part of Cobra is to see the musicians enjoying themselves on stage as well as the audience. Since all pieces were done on the spot, we didn't know what to expect. I think that's the reason why I felt that Cobra is exciting. In summary, a great nite of truely improvised music. A lot of the people who attended the show expected more Mr Bungle material but were truely shocked with what's going on. I've been dying to attend a concert similar to all the great European imrpovisation festivals such as Comapny and I must say this comes close (IMHO). Anyways, hope you had a good read :-) Sorry if I wasn't clear on some of the things. Richie Teh Maintainer of DrumNet http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au ** DrumNet's giving away 3 CDs!! Yes 3 CDs!!! Visit DrumNet and find out more about this !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) My favorite disc by Berne is Fractured Fairytales. It's more controlled than his recent stuff, but that is a good thing. I find his playing with Bloodcount to be a little noodley sometimes. In general I've always thought that Tim Berne was a much stronger composer than improviser, and he's one of my favorite composers. The first Chaos Totale is great too. It features some strong playing by Marc Ducret and Bobby Previte. Bassist,Mark Dresser (one of my all-time faves) plays his buns off on this one. By the way, I just got Invocation, Dresser's new solo CD. I like it, but I'm interested in some other opinions. Scott ________________________________________ On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote: > Just picked up Tim Berne's Mutant Variations. So far I've only had > the time for absorbing the first two tracks. Anybody have anything to say > about this record, or any other Berne stuff? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Allen Huotari" Subject: cds for sale (at bargain prices!) Date: 23 Oct 1996 13:23:30 PST hello everyone I'm brokering these for a co-worker who has relocated/returned to Japan. Priced to move quickly (I hope)...trade offers will also be considered so make an offer! DAVID MOSS/JOHN KING/OTOMO YOSHIHIDE "All At Once At Any Time" VICTOcd029 (live at Victoriaville May 20, 1994) JON ROSE "Violin Music In the Age Of Shopping" Intakt cd 038 (with Shelley Hirsch, Chris Cutler, Otomo Yoshihide) PETER BROTZMANN "Dare Devil" DiW-857 (live in Tokyo October 9, 1991, with Shoji Hano, Tetsu Yahauchi, Haruhiko Gotsu) $10 for any single cd $18 for any two cds $25 for all three (all prices include postage to anywhere in USofA, postage elsewhere will be adjusted accordingly) also for any Knitting Factory completists the following item: ZAHAR KFWCD112 this is probably not of interest to most Zornophiles but it's available for a measly $6 including postage Allen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deborah Christman Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 05:09:04 -0700 fuck zorn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DANIEL BITTON Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 21:06:44 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Deborah Christman wrote: > fuck zorn > Upon serious consideration of this wise suggestion, as well as factoring in the likely outcome of the latest round or GATT negotiations and the trend in general towards global capitalism which likely will bring the world down to the level of the US in before the 1930's (unbearably worse of course), not to mention the results of generations of children being trained into fanatic narcicism and being emotionally anesthetized by commercial propaganda since infancy (resulting in lifelong infancy) now on a global scale eroding (albeit oppressive and hierarchial) cultures around the world and replacing them with NIke and Coca Cola worship; and contrasting all this with the advent of independant creative artists such as Ani DiFranco and Zorn who are tapping in to the need for human emotion and spirit in the midst of the sterile wasteland of corporate capitlist culture, who's art has the power to awaken dormant emotions and self awareness (much as jazz did during and leading up to the civil rights movement) and therefore the capability of destroying that sterile culture, I have come to the conclusion that indeed that this just might be exactly what you should do in order to spread Zorn's creative and independant genes to successive generations if we are to truly move towards socialism and a sane human society. Good luck and godspeed (thanks to new Nike Jesus Air sneakers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DANIEL BITTON Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) It think I've already addressed this issue in depth, and while further discussion or debate would be highly valuable, there is no sense in reiterating the obvious On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Deborah Christman wrote: > fuck zorn > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Heretic Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Maf165@aol.com, demi-God and Icon sez: > >I'm interested in seeing the film Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles, that goes >with the Naked City album. Has anyone seen this film and, if so, can you send >me a review? Not surprisingly (judging from the pictures on the CD sleeve) >it's not available here in Mississippi. If anyone knows where I can find it, >please let me know. As far as I know such a film does not exist. If I recall correctly, the CD says it is a "soundtrack to Jeux de Dames Cruelles" where "Jeux de Dames Cruelles" is the title of a photo book of women spanking other women. Good Vibrations in San Francisco still had it in stock last time I checked. .....just checked their web site at http://www.goodvibes.com/gvindex.html and yes, they still set it for ~$15. mike rizzi -- rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Deborah Christman sez: > >fuck zorn Just to set the record straight, our charming friend Deborah has been frustrated because she can't unsubscribe from the zorn-list. Even though I have sent her instructions on how to extricate herself (several times), she seems hellbent on pestering the entire zorn-list membership rather than replying to my emails and working with me on fixing her situation. Luckily, she has been manually removed from our glorious ranks with some deft file editting by yours truly. Apologies to everyone for having to endure her pithy bits of intelligent expression. Thanks for your patience, mike rizzi zorn-list-owner@xmission.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Birkwood Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) I think we'd all like to! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hopper.unh.edu@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Masada Tix: boston and other shite Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Fellow Zorn enthusiasts: I called the # listed On JoLaMaSoul's post: the #'s were either jumbled up, or I copied the # down wrong. After some tracking down, I found that the actual office number for the Institute of Contemporary arts in Cambridge Mass (the site of Zorn's Masada on Nov. 13th 8:00 pm, thursday) is (617) 927-6620. The lady I asked about tickets was quite not with it, so I will persist in calling again soon. A few questions: 1) I am still doing a three hour radio special on the music of Mike Patton, and I need to obtain some of the more obscure albums (bob Ostertag, Sepultra, etc..) Does Anyone have any availability info, other essential albums (besides the obvious Elegy/Bungle/FNM/Tzadik solo/ stuff??? 2)when I saw Dave Douglas's Tiny Bell Trio in June, he told me Masada #7 was already recorded: Does Anyone Know a release date. 3)Sorry this is such a repeated question, but what is a good mail-order company to get Avant/Tzadik DIW/Japanese Import stuff? I am in desperate search of Joey Baron's Crackshot. Sucks living in New Hampshire. Please....I beg, even dare someone to respond.......I'd die in your gratitude Much respect, Rich Ladew rladew@hopper.unh.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: your mail Date: 23 Oct 1996 21:28:28 +0000 >fuck zorn he's so cute! -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: zorn questions Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I had two questions about john zorns work that I'm sure someone on the list can answer. I was listening to Spilaine earlier today and I was wondering, what might be a good spilaine text to read to get a better understanding of the title track of the cd? Second, can someone give me a review of jewx de..whatever the rest of the name of this disk is? What kind of sound does it have? Is it straight jazz, pretty wacked out, or what? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew C Weiner Subject: Re: Heretic Date: 24 Oct 1996 12:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Henry Hill, a filmmaker, came through Pittsburgh a year or so ago, showing films that included videos for "Batman" and "Igneous Ejaculation" from the first Naked City album, and Zorn's version of "Das Kleines Leutnant des Lieben Gottes" off the Hal Willner Kurt Weill tribute, "Lost in the Stars." (I believe "Batman" was the only one that was intended for use on MTV.) Anyway, the advance publicity advertised "Heretic" starring Karen Finley, but it wasn't shown; Hill said his copy was being recut. So either it exists, or Hill is in on the joke--to tell the truth, he seemed like a sort of serious guy who probably wouldn't initiate the prank at least. Might help you track this down. ("Little Lieutenant" was really cool, BTW.) Matt On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, m. rizzi wrote: > Maf165@aol.com, demi-God and Icon sez: > > > >I'm interested in seeing the film Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles, that goes > >with the Naked City album. Has anyone seen this film and, if so, can you send > >me a review? Not surprisingly (judging from the pictures on the CD sleeve) > >it's not available here in Mississippi. If anyone knows where I can find it, > >please let me know. > > As far as I know such a film does not exist. > If I recall correctly, the CD says it is a > "soundtrack to Jeux de Dames Cruelles" > where "Jeux de Dames Cruelles" is the title > of a photo book of women spanking other > women. > > Good Vibrations in San Francisco still > had it in stock last time I checked. > > .....just checked their web site at > http://www.goodvibes.com/gvindex.html > and yes, they still set it for ~$15. > > mike rizzi > > -- > rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com > -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- > http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ > -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Allen Huotari" Subject: the cds have been reserved Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:10:58 PST hello thanks to those of you who responded to the posting about the MOSS/KING/YOSHIHIDE, JON ROSE, and PETER BROTZMANN discs please send no more requests as these discs have been reserved the ZAHAR disc is still available though... ajh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: List Problem & Missing Digest Date: 24 Oct 1996 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) SUBSCRIBER LIST PROBLEM The zorn-list and zorn-list-digest had a mini-crisis last night/this morning. During some hardware upgrades at our host xmission.com, the subscriber list got blown away. The owner of xmission.com replaced the subscription list from a tape backup made on September 6, 1996. Luckily, I had a list backup from October 16th on my machine. I was able to hack in (and out) the names of people that I know subscribed and unsubscribed in between the 16th and today. However, it is entirely possible that I missed someone. So if someone you know used to be getting zorn-list mail, but isn't anymore (or vice-versa) please have them contact me (rizzi@netcom.com). MISSING DIGEST While getting caught up in reading the zorn-list-digest, I noticed that I didn't receive a copy of digest #19 at either of my computer accounts. Did anyone get a copy of #19? Fortunately, xmission.com has a copy in the archive directory. So, if you did not receive digest #19 please email me and I'll send a copy right along. Apologies for all the fubaroo, mike rizzi zorn-list-owner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DANIEL BITTON Subject: Re: your mail Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Gee, I miss her already. On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, m. rizzi wrote: > > Deborah Christman sez: > > > >fuck zorn > > Just to set the record straight, our charming > friend Deborah has been frustrated because > she can't unsubscribe from the zorn-list. > > Even though I have sent her instructions on > how to extricate herself (several times), she > seems hellbent on pestering the entire zorn-list > membership rather than replying to my emails > and working with me on fixing her situation. > > Luckily, she has been manually removed from > our glorious ranks with some deft file editting > by yours truly. > > Apologies to everyone for having to endure > her pithy bits of intelligent expression. > > Thanks for your patience, > mike rizzi > zorn-list-owner@xmission.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: denman@pipeline.com (Denman Maroney) Subject: Re: First Electronic Software that Tunes Electronic Keyboards and Guitars Date: 25 Oct 1996 00:29:14 GMT I like acoustic instruments myself, but I thought some of you might be interested in the following. In clari.biz.industry.media.entertainment.releases, C-bw@clari.net (Justonic) wrote: > > VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 24, 1996-- >Justonic, a Vancouver, B.C.-based software company, has developed >Pitch Pallette, which is expected to revolutionize the music >industry. > The software retunes notes from electronic keyboards and guitars >as they are played, making pure harmony possible for fixed-tune >instruments. > Until the release of Justonic Tuning's revolutionary software >breakthrough, the problem was considered insurmountable. Undaunted, >Justonic Tuning, Inc., following 15 years of research, has developed >a solution previously unavailable to musicians. Using a patented >technique, which harnesses the computational power of modern >computers, the software analyzes the harmonic content as the music is >played and corrects the tuning of each note. > Musicians who have heard music played through Pitch Palette are >taken aback. Comments include: "All chords sound better..." "The >Justonic tuning is more mellow..." "This opens up a whole new world >of chord progressions. Bravo Justonic Tuning..." "Everyone is going >to want to do this..." > Justonic's Pitch Palette is priced at $189. It requires a 486 or >better with at least 8MB of RAM and a MIDI interface. A Macintosh >version of the software is slated for release later this year. > maroney@dmbb.com denman@pipeline.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: First Electronic Software that Tunes Electronic Keyboards and Guitars Date: 24 Oct 1996 21:02:52 -0400 My only question is "What's the bloody point?" At 8:29 PM 10/24/96, Denman Maroney wrote: >I like acoustic instruments myself, but I thought some of you might be >interested in the following. > >In clari.biz.industry.media.entertainment.releases, C-bw@clari.net >(Justonic) wrote: > >> >> VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 24, 1996-- >>Justonic, a Vancouver, B.C.-based software company, has developed >>Pitch Pallette, which is expected to revolutionize the music >>industry. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: bar kokhba Date: 25 Oct 1996 11:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Is there any mention of when the new improved BK might be released? Has the offending song even been re-recorded yet? How many post-it notes would it take to turn the parthenon yellow? Questions questions questions... -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dawnrazor@pacificnet.net Subject: Masada #4 Date: 25 Oct 1996 10:38:08 -0700 How in the hell do I get Masada #4? I wrote to John awhile back asking him about it and he said that I could get it buy sending three of the paper bands from other Masada cds to Disk Union and they would send it to me for free. Well I did that and they sent the paper bands and my letter back to me saying that there weren't any left. Does anyone know if it is ever going to be released? I am pretty new to the list so if this has already been discussed, I am sorry. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "M.Ho" Subject: Re: your mail Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:49:29 EDT > > > By the way, I just got Invocation, Dresser's new solo CD. I like it, > but > I'm interested in some other opinions. > Scott > Hi Scott, Mark Dresser is too one of my favorites of all time. Invocation is very Bert Turetzky influenced and I believe he gives him credit as a pivotal influence in his musical career on the liner notes. (Mark was also a student of his). Bert is my favorite and is the father of contmporary bass music which gaps classical, improv and jazz into one. As a bored classically trained, still somewhat frightened to death to improvise bassist, music of such composers like turetzky, as well as Joelle Leandre, Robert Black and this disc from Dresser is very exciting and inspirational to me. Although I must admit, Invocation falls somewhat short for me but the track, Threnody for Charles Mingus, makes up for anything I feel this disc lacks. Check out some Joelle Leandre if you like this album because she kicks ass. (Highly recommend th album Urban Bass is you can find it) She also has a jazz trio that is pretty wacked out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: your mail Date: 25 Oct 1996 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) LET'S KILL HER!!!! On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote: > Gee, I miss her already. > > On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, m. rizzi wrote: > > > > > Deborah Christman sez: > > > > > >fuck zorn > > > > Just to set the record straight, our charming > > friend Deborah has been frustrated because > > she can't unsubscribe from the zorn-list. > > > > Even though I have sent her instructions on > > how to extricate herself (several times), she > > seems hellbent on pestering the entire zorn-list > > membership rather than replying to my emails > > and working with me on fixing her situation. > > > > Luckily, she has been manually removed from > > our glorious ranks with some deft file editting > > by yours truly. > > > > Apologies to everyone for having to endure > > her pithy bits of intelligent expression. > > > > Thanks for your patience, > > mike rizzi > > zorn-list-owner@xmission.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Masada #4 Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:25:49 -0700 dawnrazor@pacificnet.net wrote: > > How in the hell do I get Masada #4? I wrote to John awhile back asking him > about it and he said that I could get it buy sending three of the paper > bands from other Masada cds to Disk Union and they would send it to me for > free. Well I did that and they sent the paper bands and my letter back to > me saying that there weren't any left. Does anyone know if it is ever going > to be released? I am pretty new to the list so if this has already been > discussed, I am sorry. Thanks. Welcome to the list. To answer your question, Zorn's people have said pretty defintively that Masada 4 will never be reissued by itself. However, I've heard more than one person suggest that the entire Masada series would be repackaged as a box set for Tzadik, and that 4 would be included in that box. Again, I can't say that that's definitely the case, and your best bet for getting a copy is to ask someone on the Zorn List to tape it for you. It's only about 20 minutes long, BTW, so don't pay anybody an extortionist's fee for it. Good luck and enjoy, Steve Smith ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Howard Shih Subject: Early Zorn Recomendations? Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:05:49 -0400 (EDT) I'm thinking of getting some of Zorn's earlier works but I'm not too sure where to start. The earliest Zorn works I have are Spillane and The Big Gundown. While I'm asking for recommendations... has anyone heard Ikue Mori's Garden or Hex Kitchen? I've like Death Ambient and am curious about her other stuff? How long has she worked with drum machines? Anyone see her perform? Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Cybrarian/Assistant Programmer Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-309-0005 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-309-0110 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: address Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I noticed someone who posted a message about masada 4 wrote to John Zorn to inquire to the existence of this recording? Does John Zorn have an email address and if so, does anyone have it? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: masada // Dresser Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know how long Zorn is planning to keep doing his Masada project? I'm wondering if maybe he'll suddenly stop as he did with Naked City. Or did Naked City stop releasing stuff because Horvitz moved to Seatle? Would they have continued otherwise? And a question about Marc Dresser: how is his Cabinet of Dr. Caligari soundtrack? I haven't heard any of his stuff at all at all at all, but i like the one cut from the Caligari album that's on the Knitting Factory sampler. -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale) Subject: Douglas/Bennink Date: 25 Oct 1996 18:29:04 -0300 The word from Songlines boss Tony Reif is that this should be out in November. The holdup has been finding a new distributor for the label. James Hale Ottawa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dawnrazor@pacificnet.net Subject: Masada #4 Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:29:10 -0700 Hi- Anyone out there want to tape Masada #4 for me? I would be extremely grateful. Thanks. Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Howard Shih Subject: Early Zorn Recomendations? Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:05:49 -0400 (EDT) I'm thinking of getting some of Zorn's earlier works but I'm not too sure where to start. The earliest Zorn works I have are Spillane and The Big Gundown. While I'm asking for recommendations... has anyone heard Ikue Mori's Garden or Hex Kitchen? I've like Death Ambient and am curious about her other stuff? How long has she worked with drum machines? Anyone see her perform? Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Cybrarian/Assistant Programmer Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-309-0005 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-309-0110 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: insulin@slip.net (Marc Kate) Subject: Masada Four FAQ Date: 25 Oct 1996 19:34:22 -0800 Open letter to Mister Rizzi: Hi! =46ull of woe that the list is slow lately (my silence too is complience) I am thankful for any traffic on the list, but truth be told, people asking about Masada #4 constitutes the majority of the traffic on the list (no offense to the offenders). I propose a FAQ (an idea lacking originality to be sure). The FAQ could be one line long: Masada 4 is out of print. Good luck. Or more info if collectively, or individually, there is some commitment. I have unused web space I am willing to donate for it. I am even willing to do the html. What think you Mister Rizzi? Peace. ~ : . =A8 , ' Marc Kate ~ , . =B0 . : ' . ~ =B0 , , insulin@slip.net . , . , ' ~ . ~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: acapps@usit.net (Ashley Capps) Subject: douglas/bennink Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:09:13 -0400 >From:acapps@usit.net (Ashley Capps) >Subject:douglas/bennink > >>The word from Songlines boss Tony Reif is that this should be out in >>November. The holdup has been finding a new distributor for the label. >> >>James Hale >>Ottawa > >James - I've had this one for over two weeks. Picked it up at my local >record store in Knoxville, TN, but I assume that they got it from North >Country (Cadence). > >Ashley Capps ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Early Zorn Recomendations? Date: 26 Oct 1996 17:57:48 -0400 (EDT) I'm not very familiar with really early Zorn stuff, but there are three pre-_The Big Gundown_ albums I would unhesitatingly recommend: _Locus Solus_: DNA-influenced trio improv, including some improvised songs vocalized by Peter Blegvad and Arto Lindsay. One of my all-time favorite Zorn records. I believe this had been reissued on Tzadik. _Yankees_: More traditional baseball-influenced improv with Derek Bailey and George Lewis. I'm not sure if this is currently in print, but the Celluloid CD seems to show up a lot. _The Classic Guide to Strategy_: Excellent solo improv. I first heard this one with the Tzadik reissue, and I was very pleasantly surprised by how well Zorn sustains interest all by himself. He takes a very different approach than one finds on other solo improv recordings. It's actually organized similarly to many of his compositions, in that he jumpcuts from one soundblock to another very rapidly at times, and betrays a marked Carl Stalling influence. Also, while it actually postdates _The Big Gundown_, you should certainly check out the version of _Cobra_ on Hat Hut if you haven't already done so. It's certainly the most effective recording of a game piece readily available on CD. I assume that this has recently gone out of print, along with most of Hat Hut's back catalogue, but it should be easy to find. Finally, the first, self-titled Golden Palominos album on which Zorn plays a major role, is a fantastic fusion of downtown improv with _On the Corner_-period Miles Davis, and is not to be missed. I'm not sure if this is available on CD. Happy hunting, chris hamilton Chris Hamilton Dept. of Philosophy University of Pittsburgh USA email:chhst9@pitt.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Bert Turetzky, Dresser Date: 26 Oct 1996 18:04:08 -0400 (EDT) The below information on Bert Turetzky has piqued my interest. Could someone recommend one or more of his recordings? (I also liked the Dresser CD, although I suspect anyone who finds the prospect of an album of solo and multi-tracked bass forbidding would be right to pass this one up.) On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, M.Ho wrote: > > > > > > > By the way, I just got Invocation, Dresser's new solo CD. I like it, > > but > > I'm interested in some other opinions. > > Scott > > > Hi Scott, > Mark Dresser is too one of my favorites of all time. Invocation is > very Bert Turetzky influenced and I believe he gives him credit as a > pivotal influence in his musical career on the liner notes. (Mark > was also a student of his). Bert is my favorite and is the father of > contmporary bass music which gaps classical, improv and jazz into one. > As a bored classically trained, still somewhat frightened to death to > improvise bassist, music of such composers like turetzky, as well as > Joelle Leandre, Robert Black and this disc from Dresser is very > exciting and inspirational to me. Although I must admit, Invocation > falls somewhat short for me but the track, Threnody for Charles > Mingus, makes up for anything I feel this disc lacks. > Check out some Joelle Leandre if you like this album because she kicks > ass. (Highly recommend th album Urban Bass is you can find it) She > also has a jazz trio that is pretty wacked out. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: proving@en.com (Joeseph Simon) Subject: Chadborne show in Cleveland Date: 27 Oct 1996 02:22:56 -0500 (EST) Eugene Chadborne will be stopping off in Cleveland, Ohio at Speak in Tounges (4311 Lorain Road) on November 14th. Eugene Chadborne was instrumental in Zorns first release and lived with Zorn some time back. Recently three collaborative efforts were released that include Chadborne and Zorn. Also playing will be Pointless Orchestra who have collaborated with many people including Sleep in Safety, Amy Denio, Joseph Celli, and many others. Mick Harris even requested sounds from them to use as samples. Eistiens Secret Orchestra. a band that is one of Ivan Stangs favorites also opens. For more info, e-mail the sender of this e-mail. Thanks, Joeseph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andy.marks@mts.com Subject: Garden Date: 28 Oct 1996 12:10:20 Anybody got Ikue Mori's Garden? What's it like? I have Painted Desert and really like it alot. E-mail: andy.marks@mts.com Time: 12:10:20 PM Buckethead was raised in the chicken coop by chickens. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "k. drudge" Subject: previte album Date: 28 Oct 1996 16:40:22 -0500 (EST) I saw a Bobby Previte album in a local record shop (London Canada) by Bobby Previte with a title along the lines of Blood..Shriek..Mutilation; (I'm pretty sure that that's wrong, but it gets the general feel). It was released on Koch Jazz and apparently was a one-man project by Previte for a film. Does anyone have anything to say about this recording? I was also wondering about his album 'Pushing the Envelope'. Thanks Keldon Drudge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Masada in San Francisco Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) Hello Zorn-listers, I just bought my ticket to the Masada show at Maritime Hall in SF on Nov. 15th. Anyone from the list going? It'd be cool to connect up and have a bite before the show. Email me if you are interested. cheers, mike rizzi -- rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------