From: gershom@earthlink.net Subject: (ztt) custom disc? Date: 02 Jul 1999 07:25:53 -0400 How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message with the access code? I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting three days so far... -Dean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry MacGregor Subject: Re: (ztt) custom disc? Date: 02 Jul 1999 07:39:45 -0400 gershom@earthlink.net wrote: > > How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message > with the access code? I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting > three days so far... > I ordered exactly a week ago, I got the email about the custom disc on Tuesday - same day that "Seduction" was shipped. No sign of either one at my doorstep yet. -- L # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) getting the password Date: 02 Jul 1999 12:07:22 -0400 I ordered mine from TWEC for that reason, CDnow was pokey last time they had one of these burn your own offers for gus gus, i had my password within a day of placing my order last time. But so far i've not gotten it from TWEC. Also, I saw a copy of "dreaming in colour" US 12" on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125853134 gershom@earthlink.net wrote: > > How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message with the access code? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) limited UK edition AON CD? Date: 02 Jul 1999 18:55:46 +0100 In message <001201bebd1c$4bda8a60$834697cf@zazoo>, Mark Wasiel writes >I saw an upcoming solicitation from an import here in the U.S. They list >two UK Art Of Noise, Seduction of Claude Debussey CDs coming out. One has >the part # ZTT130CD while the other has # ZTT130CDX. Anyone know anything >about this "X" version? It was listed as the same price as the one with the >"X". The only difference between the two is that the "limited edition" ztt130cdx comes in a cardboard digi-pack case and ztt130cd comes in a standard jewel case. The CDs and booklets are identical and bear the catalogue number ztt130cd. -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) custom disc? Date: 02 Jul 1999 14:28:29 -0500 At 07:39 AM 7/2/99 -0400, you wrote: > >gershom@earthlink.net wrote: >> >> How long after ordering from CDnow does it take to get the message >> with the access code? I thought it was the next day, but I'm waiting >> three days so far... > >I ordered exactly a week ago, I got the email about the custom disc on >Tuesday - same day that "Seduction" was shipped. No sign of either one >at my doorstep yet. My copy of the Seduction has arrived, but the Amplified "make-yer-own-CD" has not. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the "autographed" copy of the Seduction, as advertised on Tower, was -genuinely- autographed by all four members (at least I -think- that's Lol Creme's signature). I had expected the autographs as merely being part of the printing of a limited edition, or that it would be autographed just by Lol or something. Paul Morley autographed it with quotes, i.e. "Paul Morley" (was it really Paul Morley?). It came with both a signed and unsigned booklet. Did the crew write anything goofy on anyone's signed copies? Anyway... cool. I called the folks at Amplified, who actually sounded like real, sentient human beings and not mindless CSR drones, and they said that my make-your-own-CD had been shipped. Now if only that, my Gentle People Simply Faboo CD and my David Van Tieghem These Things Happen DAM CD had arrived as well, then I would have been genuinely happy. Never before has a three-day weekend seemed like such a long time... Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan clegg Subject: (ztt) custom CD arrived! Date: 02 Jul 1999 12:48:20 -0700 I got mine today from Amplified.com, and I must say, it's quite cool. They didn't use cheap-o packaging; it looks like a commercial CD. It's in a jewel case, with insert, my custom tracklist is printed on the back inlay (you can't tell it was custom printed for me), and it sounds great. It is a CD-R, but even is screened to look like a regular commercial release. Cool! I'm happy! --dan P.S. I also got my autographed Seduction CD from Tower; my "Paul Morley" is in quotes too. That is definitely Anne's real signature; I have a record I had personally autographed by here (in 1986!) and it looks pretty similar. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roy DeRousse Subject: (ztt) Debussy: Favorable review in Consumable Date: 02 Jul 1999 13:52:55 -0700 (PDT) The latest issue of the online music review, Consumable, had this to say about the new AON album: REVIEW: Art of Noise, _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_ (ZTT/Universal) - Jon Steltenpohl Take a dead composer, a deep voiced narrator, a rapper and a few opera singers, and what do you have? Well, if you're Art of Noise, you have _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_. Most of you know Art of Noise through songs such as "Beat Box" and the Dragnet theme. Yet, anyone who's gone beyond the singles and dived into the world of an Art of Noise album has found themselves in a completely new world. Now, after a 9-year absence, the band has reformed to create a new soundscape based around their apparent love of the turn of the century composer Claude Debussy. These days, anyone with a computer can generate dance tracks with the blink of an eye, and on the surface, Art of Noise doesn't sound as remarkable today as they once did. But, technology doesn't breed musical or artistic talent, and the vision of Art of Noise goes beyond the simple satellite blips and deep bass of their peers. Their impeccable judgment allows them to transcend the current vapid "electronica" sound they helped to create. This is music first and foremost. The dance beats and atmosphere are simply tools in Art of Noise's arsenal. Of course, any description of a band on paper that uses the word "transcend" seems a bit elitist and abstract right off the bat. Yet, unlike their counterparts in the world of abstract visual arts, Art of Noise is high brow music for everyman. Even if you've never heard of Debussy, you can appreciate the songs. Anyone who's been drawn in by a song like "Moments in Love" realizes that Art of Noise can create the beautiful out of the abstract. Consider "Dream in Colour" from this album: The track is expansive. It ranges from operatic voices to dreamy choruses to lush ambient dance to an engaging jungle beat over the course of 8-and-a-half minutes. The deep sullen voice of John Hurt narrates you through the songs. "Imagine," the narrator implores you, "Debussy dreaming in colours." He pulls you in further into the hypnotic mix and instructs as you fall "deeper into the color of a dream." As the trance is completed, the narrator snaps his fingers, and you begin the experience with the next track, "On Being Blue." At the start of the song, the narrator guides you to consider how music might be used to suggest colors. The song is a soft ode that features a beautiful operatic voice, a quiet Spanish guitar, and shimmering, mournful strings that create an incredibly stark, deep, and sad atmosphere. It is like diving into a pool of cobalt blue -- which is exactly the song's intent. Halfway through the album, another voice is added to the chorus, the narrator and the opera singers. The voice is none other than the rapper, Rakim. At first, this seems like a strange pairing, but given Art of Noise's original classic "Beat Box" and the dance remixes included with the re-release of Eric B. and Rakim's _Paid in Full_ album, a song like "Megaforce" is entirely understandable. Musically, it works remarkably well. Not only does Rakim have one of the purest voices in rap, but Art of Noise assembles a beat as well as any DJ. It may not exactly be the right style for pumping out of a lowrider, but it would fit right in with US3 or Digable Planets. All told, despite it's odd collaborations and obscure subject matter, _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_ is simply a masterwork. Art of Noise manages to maintain continuity throughout the entire album. The tracks can be scrutinized note by note or played casually in the background. It is doubtful if the stodgy world of orchestral music could appreciate this album, but fans of the Art of Noise can embrace _The Seduction of Claude Debussy_. However, unless you're into ambient and electronic music, casual fans who remember the old Art of Noise hits are better off picking up their excellent "Best of" collection before jumping feet first into this new release. === Founded in August, 1993, Consumable Online is the oldest music reviews publication on the Internet. To get back issues of Consumable, check out: WWW: http://www.consumableonline.com To subscribe to Consumable, send an e-mail message to consumable-request@westnet.com with the body of the message stating "subscribe consumable". To unsubscribe, send a message to the same address stating "unsubscribe consumable". === Have fun! Roy DeRousse (relayer@iname.com) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) what tracks did you pick? Date: 02 Jul 1999 16:45:20 -0600 On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 10:46:32PM -0500, Dave Cowen wrote: > So Lazlo, how do you handle a discography entry for such a malleable > beast? ;) I'm just going to list the tracks available and describe the covers and the deal... Now i just need them to let me order the damned thing. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) European customized CD Date: 03 Jul 1999 19:57:56 +0100 Tower Europe (http://www.towereurope.com) have now got the Art Of Noise custom CD on their site. The offer is still only open to UK and Ireland and not the rest of Europe. -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: (ztt) AON Discography Updates Date: 04 Jul 1999 12:50:34 +0100 Here are some updates to Lazlo's Art Of Noise Discography: Art of Noise featuring Duane Eddy: Peter Gunn [Mar 1986] single 7": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOKDJ 6) ?:?? Peter Gunn (Radio Edit) 2:28 Something Always Happens 12"WL: 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 6) [promo] 6:03 Peter Gunn (extended version) 3:55 Peter Gunn 2:36 Something Always Happens [White label stamped with "The Art Of Noise * Peter Gunn *** Featuring Duane Eddy D.J. COPY ONLY"] Art of Noise featuring Max Headroom: Paranoimia [Jun 1986] single 12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 9) 6:40 Paranoimia (extended version) [featuring Max Headroom] 3:18 Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom] 2:56 Why Me? 2:56 A Nation Rejects 2x12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK X 9) [shrink wrapped with WOK R 6] 6:40 Paranoimia (extended version) [featuring Max Headroom] 3:18 Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom] 2:56 Why Me? 2:56 A Nation Rejects [Shrink wrapped with plain black sleeve copy of Peter Gun (Twang Mix) 12" (WOK R 6)] 12": 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOK L 9) ["Paranoid Mix"] 6:31 Paranoimia (the paranoid mix) [featuring Max Headroom] 3:18 Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom] 2:56 Why Me? 2:56 A Nation Rejects [Stickered sleeve "The Paranoid Mix The Mixes Stop Here"] 7": 1986 US (China/Chrysalis; VS4 43070) [promo] 3:18 Paranoimia (single version) [featuring Max Headroom] 4:46 Paranoimia (album version) Art of Noise: Re-Works of Art of Noise [1986] compilation album LP: 1986 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOLD 2) [As far as I know this was only available with "In Visible Silence" - I never saw it for sale on its own] CD: 1986 JP (China/Chrysalis; CP32-5320) [1 bonus track] [Opus III is not from Hammersmith. It differs from the bootleg live recording that I have.] Art of Noise: Dragnet [Jul 1987] single CSS: 1987 UK (China; ZWOK 14) [some packed w/7" WOK 17?] [Some were shrink wrapped to an empty WOK 14 7" sleeve] 12": 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOKX 14) [promo] 6:12 Dragnet (arthur baker 12" mix) 3:03 Dragnet (art of noise 7" mix) Art of Noise: In No Sense? Nonsense! [1987] album LP: 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; WOL 4) [swaps "Races"/"Don Jose"] CD: 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; CCD 1570) 1:11 Galleons of Stone 3:27 Dragnet 2:05 Fin du Temps 0:52 How Rapid? 3:11 Opus For Four 1:44 Debut 6:40 E.F.L. 4:00 A Day At The Races 3:13 Ode to Don Jose 0:57 Counterpoint 0:46 Roundabout 727 1:17 Ransom On The Sand 3:30 Roller 1 0:45 Nothing was going to stop them then, anyway 3:37 Crusoe 4:27 One Earth [Mix makes track times inexact, many tracks segue] 12": 1987 UK (China/Chrysalis; ART DJ1) [promo] 6:39 E.F.L. 4:29 One Earth 3:13 Ode To Don Jose 4:00 A Day At The Races [Sleve reads "A limited edition 12 inch black vinyl sampling of four tracks from the Art of Noise compact disc "In-no-sense? Nonsense!" released worldwide on 28 September. Specially prepared by China Records for the Wireless. Side 1 (a) E.F.L. (b) One Earth Side 2 (a) Ode to Don Jose (b) A Day at the Races. All compositions writted, produced and arranged by the Art of Noise. 'A SOUND STEP INTO THE FUTURE'" Art of Noise: Dragnet '88 [1988] single *** [NOTE: All items released in 1988 *not* 1987!] *** 12": 1988 UK (China/Polydor; CHINAX 4) 7:15 Dragnet '88 (art of noise 12" mix) 8:08 Dragnet '88 (arthur baker house mix) 2:46 Acton Art [Non-promo 12"] Art of Noise: Paranoimia '89 [1989] single 12": 1989 UK (Master Room; [none]) [12" Acetate] 7:15 Paranoimia '89 (dance mix) 7:02 Paranoimia '89 (dub mix) [Master Room acetate with hand written labels] Art of Noise: Below The Waste [1989] album LP: 1989 UK (China/Polydor; 839404-1) 7:12 Yebo! 5:29 Catwalk 0:33 Promenade 1 3:01 Dilemma 5:50 Island 6:01 Dan Dare 3:07 Chain Gang 0:38 Promenade 2 3:53 Back To Back 1:45 Flashback 3:32 Spit 2:38 Finale ["Dan Dare" comes before "Chain Gang"] -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: (ztt) Rerelease? Date: 03 Jul 1999 09:00:45 -0500 According to my Asia Mailing list info: ** Also for the September re-issue of the Buggles' AGE OF PLASTIC on CD. Included with the original eight tracks will be a remix of Johnny On The Monorail, and the two b-sides, Technopop and Island. -Dave B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: RE: (ztt) Rerelease? Date: 05 Jul 1999 13:19:24 +0100 Hello List, I was quick on www.dotmusic.com to see any news of the SeductionCD - charts or text. But instead I got myself a rather fantastic surprise. Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. They are number ONE on the indie chart. Anyone has a claw!!! Please tell!!! Torben - the Dane > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave [SMTP:daveb@electriceye.net] > Sent: 3. July 1999 16:01 > To: 'Buggles List'; 'ZTT' > Subject: (ztt) Rerelease? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) Rerelease? Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:03:35 +0100 In message <99Jul5.142424gmt+0100.27793@ms.ramboll.dk>, TOB@ramboll.dk writes >Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood >with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. They are number ONE on the indie chart. >Anyone has a claw!!! Please tell!!! HMV in the UK are selling this for 2.99ukp or something like that at the moment - perhaps this is the reason why!!! Simon -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) Rerelease? Date: 05 Jul 1999 16:11:02 +0200 Helo all! >I was quick on www.dotmusic.com to see any news of the SeductionCD - >charts or text. But instead I got myself a rather fantastic surprise. >Highest new entry on the album chart this week is Frankie Goes To Hollywood >with Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. I've been stumbling over that as well. Maybe it's a mistake and it's actually meant to be TSOCD? (That's why I was browsing the charts...) >They are number ONE on the indie chart. FGTH being #1 on the _indie_ chart - that's the biggest joke of the century! Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: (ztt) Dream On Contest Date: 05 Jul 1999 22:34:38 +0200 Hello List! Does anyone remember, this contest on the old AON web pages (on the ZTT site), where you could win a 'Dream On' 12"?! Well, I had forgotten - until I got a parcel from ZTT on Friday, which made this Dream come true! It's incredible! They've updated the ZTT/AON pages. Apparently you can read all the entries to the contest, which I enjoy reading a lot. And there's announced five winners... http://www.ztt.com/artofnoise/a.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (ztt) AON : Metaforce Video Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:05:36 PDT For the US fans : Does anyone know if the video for "Metaforce" has been shown on MTV at all ? I've only seen "Close To The Edit" on Amp about a year or two ago. NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.8m.com (under consrtuction) ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Marston Subject: (ztt) New AON CDs Date: 06 Jul 1999 08:50:56 BST Just received my AON disc from Tower Records. 5 o'clock yesterday - Received custom CD from US ($3 P&P) 7 o'clock yesterday - Received AON 'Debussy' album, Signed!!!, with extra 4 tracks CD (includes Metaforce mix only available on Vinyl in the UK), ($30 P&P) Guess whos a happy bunny?!! (besides being stuff by Towers P&P policy) ME!!! BTW - If you love the commericial release of the 'Debussy' disc, you may want to look into finding the 1st advanced pre-release version of the disc as it is very different to the proper one. In my opinion the advanced version has a better track order and some better mixes. www.eil.com is one place to look for it, or www.slcd.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (ztt) A better concert than Community Service would be ... Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:28:24 PDT In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass line ups : Kraftwerk Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) Yello Orbital 808 State Pet Shop Boys Vangelis Jean-Michel Jarre Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) Tangerine Dream Underworld Kitaro Mickey Hart/Planet Drum Orb Depeche Mode Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) Anyone else want to add to the list ? NoiseWerker noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com zzyzx.com ICQ # 42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: (ztt) RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service would be .. Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:31:49 -0700 > In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass > line ups : > > > Kraftwerk > Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) > Yello > Orbital > 808 State > Pet Shop Boys > Vangelis > Jean-Michel Jarre > Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) > Tangerine Dream > Underworld > Kitaro > Mickey Hart/Planet Drum > Orb > Depeche Mode > Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid > > tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is > > obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) > > Anyone else want to add to the list ? > How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins, Aphex Twin? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: (ztt) A personal response to 'seduction' Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:16:55 -0500 Greets, fellow ZiTTs. I hope you dont mind some indulgence on my part as to offer my initial take on 'the seduction of claude debussy' after my virgin and complete listen: Two words: Wow (repeat) I am so pleased with this disc and know that it I will listen to it many times. How many times have I played 'daft' as loud as I can take it? How many times as well to 'Closing of the Year'? That 8 year difference shows great maturity in Ms Dudley and Mr Horn just as the 8 year difference does from then to 'seduction'. Up to now I've had to listen to my (imaginary, mind you; don't want anybody to get in trouble here) MP3 of 'Rapt ~ Egoism'. It was both a different mix and at only 22K. All the while I enjoyed that, but wondered what lay before and after it. Now I know. And every frame (as it is a digital recording) seems properly placed. My sense about half-way through was that the frolicking of the "'Who's Afraid' AoN" has matured much like the Beatles from 'Please Please Me' to 'Abbey Road'. There's no mistaking the style, or I should say styles: e.g the lingering end note with sharply edged guitar flutters, the solo estrogenical* croon, the general manner of first pulling you in close then rushing around you like standing under a waterfall...and that laugh-out-loud moment when the refrain from 'Moments in Love' twinkled by... Did I mention I really enjoy this album? When it gets down to it, I wouldn't want Yes to make a new 'Close to the Edge', nor John Hughes another 'Ferris Beuller'. I also wouldn't want AoN to make another 'Who's Afraid'. What they did make here is just plain wonderful. I'm also quite impressed with the CD boolet's design and layout. And the fact that several mixing engineers and years seemed to pass to record this LP, yet it all sounds as cohesive to me, at least on first listen, as if it were recorded in a single day. I also like that there's a 'Bonus CD' enclosed, but the packaging for that leaves something to be desired. Ah well. I have extra CD jewel cases for just such an occassion. Still, this is AoN as I could only imagine them almost 2 decades after their initial partaking. Like all good things which can change over time, I consider that AoN has changed for the better. Thank you for your time and I hope you all can enjoy 'seduction' as much as I. -Dave B *ackn. 'Family Guy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jhall@imv.au.dk Subject: (ztt) the custom CD Date: 07 May 1999 11:21:25 +0200 Somewhere Paul Morley must be laughing his head off. His remarks in the recent DJ-mag interview as to why fans would scramble to find the promo for Dream On is rather stupid if you ask me. Yes This is what being a fan is! Off course you would want to hear everything your favorit band has made. So in addition to having great trouble finding this recording, I also have to be laughed in the face by one of the members of the band. Isn't that nice. And he's at it again. The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my hard earned money this time. Suit yourself. Paul Morley must be having the time of his life -jesper # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (ztt) Re: (kw) RE: (orbital) A better concert than Community Service Date: 07 Jul 1999 11:39:58 +0200 At 16.31 06/07/99 -0700, Fanno, Jeff wrote: >> In my opinion, this would the bomb-ass line up to end all bomb-ass >> line ups : >> >> Kraftwerk >> Art of Noise (with J.J. and Gary back along with everyone else) >> Yello >> Orbital >> 808 State >> Pet Shop Boys >> Vangelis >> Jean-Michel Jarre >> Zapp & Roger (if they were still here with us, God Bless them) >> Tangerine Dream >> Underworld >> Kitaro >> Mickey Hart/Planet Drum >> Orb >> Depeche Mode >> Shannon (wasn't "Let The Music Play" one of the first acid >> tracks ? Of course many wouldn't agree, but 1984 is >> obviously earlier than the 2nd summer of love in 1988.) >> Anyone else want to add to the list ? >> > How about FSOL, Cocteau Twins, Aphex Twin? I consider Shannon's "Let the music play" as one of the best dance songs ever. I would add to your list the following bands/authors: -Higher Intelligence Agency -Orb -Rockets -Vince Clarke -Software -Spacetime Continuum Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) the custom CD Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:14:49 +0200 >The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is >driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my >hard earned money this time. It's available _everywhere_ now! Ready some money and read this, which had been posted to the AON chatlist yesterday: >The customized cd is available everywhere now. So please feel free to use >your code and order it. I'm not quite sure of why restrictions exist, but I >think it has to do with agreements with retailers/distributors and the >label. Thus, we weren't really able to deliver to the rest of Europe until >Tower UK signed on. Plus, the ZTT label and Universal have been great in >their response to such issues. > >I sincerely apologize for the restrictions before. As this is a new sort of >technology and process to be able to receive unreleased tracks from great >bands, there will be a few bugs to overcome. If you have any questions or >comments, please don't hesitate to email me! > >Thanks, > >Jonathan Hix >Web Developer >jonathan@amplified.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) the custom CD Date: 07 Jul 1999 23:09:24 +0100 In message <00b501bec89e$4722bf00$c33d9fc1@fipc1>, Joerg Fitzner writes >>The recent custom CD that is only available to fans in UK and USA is >>driving me crazy. So it seems you guys won't be getting my >>hard earned money this time. > >It's available _everywhere_ now! Also you're not restricted to just 10 tracks - you can order all 12 if you wish!!! -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Propaganda.de@t-online.de (propaganda.de) Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda NEWS Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:44:56 +0200 Hello to all on the list, check out the news on my Webpage => VERY interesting !! Propaganda is preparing the first step of their return => The Webpage ! I hope that i could meet Michael next time and interview him, anyone on the list who has questions to him ??? Please write me (i have currently around 30, but more would be better). Bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ ## Another hope is another dream ## ################################### # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:27:40 +0900 It would be great if those people living in the UK and the US to keep an eye open on the charts and to publish their findings on the list for us poor souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD are rather hard to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The last I heard was that metaforce was languishing at 53 in the UK charts. as this as high as it gets? That's what AON get for putting out an extremely conventional track. Ah well, I guess I will have to wait until I return the the UK in August to hear my wonderful custom CD and the long awaited album. ps I heard a section of the album on Japanese TV yesterday and I thought the opera was very nice, contrary to what some others on the list thought!! Keep dreaming in colour............. pps On the Universal American release, is it "Dreaming in colour" or "Dreaming in color"? Raymond A Koh rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: (ztt) TSOCD in Russia Date: 09 Jul 1999 09:47:32 +0100 Hello list, I have just spend some days in Russia, where TSOCD naturally arrived ealy July. It were in 3 out of 5 shops, that I visited. One legal store, where the original was imported and two 'shops' with illegal pressings, where they simple hardcopy both CD and front page! These illegal CDs are sold at 1.5 - 3.0 $ each - with gradual rebates, dependent on the number of CDs you purchase. One of the shops listed rebates for 201-300 copies. I wonder how many customers use these quantities! Torben - the Dane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FGTHFC@t-online.de (FGTH Fan Base) Subject: (ztt) WTTP new entry on no. 16 in the UK charts Date: 09 Jul 1999 11:01:25 +0200 Hello list ! I wonder if there is anybody who can tell me what is going on in England ... What happened that Welcome To The Pleasuredome is new on 16 in the UK charts ? Bye Peter...xx http://eurogay.net/mitglieder/holly Holly Johnson Fan Pages # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: (ztt) Holly Johnson update Date: 09 Jul 1999 10:07:04 +0100 Hello list From http://www.pleasuredome.co.uk under news you'll find: SOULSTREAM the forthcoming album is to be released in the 20th century. OCTOBER 1999 ! .come back soon! Go and look for yourself. The exhibition/poster pages are also updated - indicating that Holly's pictures will be put on sale in the future. Torben - the Dane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) :):):) Date: 09 Jul 1999 13:33:39 PDT Hello everyone !!!! I'm in a happy mood today (it is my birthday). I just felt like saying that I love all you guys and that I have had a wonderful time chatting with all of you. I'm going to see the Chems tonight in LA, so hopefully I will have fun (the new CD was decent). Talk to you all on Sunday . (To Brendan from the Orbital list : Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to you. Maybe everyone and I on the list diagree with just about everything you say, :) but I don't want to make anyone feel like their in a hostile environment. Welcome !!!! (p.s. Vangelis STILL rules !!!! ;) Love, Josh/NoiseWerker/Juno noisewerker@hotmail.com noisewerker@home.com ICQ #42651237 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: (ztt) AoN Dreaming in Color Remix Contest on Mixman.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 18:35:29 -0500 Hey all -- Has anyone seen this? ( http://www.mixman.com/html/mz/contestframe.html ) > Create your own Art of Noise Remix of their song "Dreaming in Colour" > using any Mixman software. When you're done.... go to Radio Mixman, click > the Mixman Logo to submit your G2 RealAudio remix, select the "Art of Noise" > style and upload it by August 1st 1999. All remixes will be posted at Radio > Mixman in the "Art of Noise" style for the fans to vote on . Whoever gets > the highest rating may get their remix pressed onto the upcoming "Dreaming > in Colour" 12"! Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400 I preordered my disc from TWEC haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc version. My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version. : ( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3 Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400 Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting Mix of "Snobbery and Decay". He did not make the mp3 himself. After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play. MacAmp and Winamp wont play it. And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either. it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so! a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'. www.cdcopy.sk has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the player) is part of it. the Mp3 file is on my webspace: http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy After downloading the file (right click it's name and choose save as, or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file locally. YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file. Uncook fixes scrambled sounding mp3's. After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe) it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better compatibility. The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though! and it does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and decay. just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out, and you'll get an idea. Mac users: i have no clue what will play this. Macamp doesn't work. and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program. THE MORAL?: (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if ZANG@ztt decides to chime in) REISSUE THE DAMN SONG ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3 Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400 Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting Mix of "Snobbery and Decay". He did not make the mp3 himself. After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play. MacAmp and Winamp wont play it. And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either. it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so! a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'. www.cdcopy.sk has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the player) is part of it. the Mp3 file is on my webspace: http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy After downloading the file (right click it's name and choose save as, or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file locally. YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file. Uncook fixes scrambled sounding mp3's. After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe) it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better compatibility. The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though! and it does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and decay. just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out, and you'll get an idea. Mac users: i have no clue what will play this. Macamp doesn't work. and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program. THE MORAL?: (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if ZANG@ztt decides to chime in) REISSUE THE DAMN SONG ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) Off-Topic : Back with report Date: 10 Jul 1999 22:47:19 PDT Hey all !!! Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!! The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though. THE DJ'S !!!!! I arrived at the Hollywood Palladium at around 5:30 PM. The doors opened at 6:30. My friend and I had stood in the second row that was formed. Some DJ they had (who name is unknown) spun shit for a good two hours. This REALLY began to piss my friend and I off. Then finally Todd Terry came up and did his set after that first load of dung had been dropped. Todd wasn't bad, but he could've spun some better stuff. Midway into the set, we had gotten so damn exhausted from standing that we moved up to the balcony. Finally at 10:30, the Bros. appeared. I felt like I was at some school dance. I almost went insane. I mean I know that long DJ sets are typical at a rave, but I came to see the Bros.; not to hear 4 hours of shit. If you mix, you need to have GOOD MUSIC and not repetitive Chinese water torture. Made me think twice about having my turntables repaired. ;) I didn't dance until they opened with "Hey Boy Hey Girl". I knew that I would be dead by the time that they finally arrived on stage if I had done so earlier. Too much treble though. And too many high pitched siren sounds and grinding bomb distortion. There was this one girl who got up on stage and flashed the crowd (that's when I regretted moving up to the balcony), and one guy got roudy with the wanna-be bacon squad and was kicked out. The place reeked of bud and sweat. It always suprises me how people sneak stuff in after being frisked. I remember seeing Kraftwerk at the same place last year and I was told that I couldn't bring in my CD's. I asked the security guard if he could hold them until the end of the show because I didn't want to step out of line to put them back in the car. Fucker ran off with them after the show. Nevertheless, when the show started, some guy was waving his vinyl copy of "Ralf & Florian" around in the air. WHAT THE FUCK ??? Also, I noticed once again that when older people have nowhere to go, they come see what's up with us kids. It's so cute and silly to see old grandmas and guys in their mid 40's who are all fried out of their minds dance with their eyes closed. ;) FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST : Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today; they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0 I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno). FOR THE YELLO LIST : I finally picked up "Solid Pleasure" a few days ago; I must say that it is quite trippy ! Chico Hablas' guitar solos on that album are so beautiful !!! NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400 I preordered my disc from TWEC haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc version. My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version. : ( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (ztt) Juno's B-Day, Brendan, and an interesting observation. Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:03:53 -0500 Note: Ok, get out your green CD and put on The Moebius. Do it! This post is a lot neater if you do. Turn the volume up a bit, too. Juno: Happy Birthday! Oh, and I agree with what you said about Brendan. (To Brendan from the Orbital list : Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to you.) We love ya! I don't disagree with anything because I immediately delete anything with a thread name that I'm not interested in anyway = D!! (Which is about 32 messages per day now). Don't get self-conscious, it's just a mailing list. All we do is obsess about Orbital (and other music) to the point of idolatry and mental disorders. We have no basis in the real world, as you will soon realize = ). It's hard to be the new guy because your views have not been distorted and moulded yet. You'll feel right at home when your technical prowess for music knowledge and appropriate Orbital obsession reach an equilibrium. Then you'll turn into one of the more respected members of the group, because you won't talk about music in layman's terms; you have a good idea of what you're talking about. The heirarchy will continue to evolve as you become more obsessed with Orbital (Gatsby syndrome), and then everything pretty much starts to repeat itself (a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop). Posts will contain the same arguments (maybe about a different group, or by a different person), and the commotion will cause deja vu, etc. Sometimes the arguments change, or they stop or start. There are different variations happening at the same times. New people join, old ones leave; lurkers surface, and it all adds to the mix. More new people come in, changing the atmosphere. Sometimes it's very intricate, other times it's slow. Half of the time it appeals to some people, the other half it appeals to the other people. In other words, this group is just a big Orbital song. That's why we're all here. Weird, huh? -Marc "I went to sleep at 7am today" Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: (ztt) Discog Update Date: 11 Jul 1999 17:53:38 -0600 The ZTT discography at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt has been updated (finally!). For the curious, a unidiff-format list of the changes since the last update will be available for a while at -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Coen van der Geest Subject: (ztt) Huh! Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:15:15 +0200 Hi there, Saturday, I was in Amsterdam, making the famous 3-recordshop-tour (Boudisque, Fame, Concerto) and in only 1 of those shops I found TSOCD from AON. For 67 guilders (roughly 33 dollar). I didn't buy it, since it was the first shop we came into, hoping that it was somewhere else too. Alas, the truth is that that was the only copy in Amsterdam for sale :-( Was, because when I returned it was gone. Grrr. I asked why it was so expensive. It was because ZTT only has the rights to sell in the UK and the USA. Damn! He also didn't know anything about the custom CD action... Grtz Coen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: (ztt) RE: Sigh / TCH tweakage Date: 12 Jul 1999 12:37:42 -0500 Perfectly sad, indeed. Out of interest, Jay, what new records have come out this year that you *do* like? That *did* live up to your expectations? Let me state for the record that, having had TSOCD for a few months now (I got the 12-track promo a while ago), I am absolutely enamored of it and it remains in heavy rotation at work, at home, in the car, on my radio show, etc. No qualifiers: I *like* "Metaforce" and have been an Eric B & Rakim fan since their debut album; I like the album beginning to end, top to bottom, inside and out. This is the State of the Art in 1999. My only minor gripe is with the 13-track version that was actually released. I've said this before on the list, but let me say again that, in my opinion, the 12-track promo version is *vastly* superior, with the un-broken "Dreaming in Colour" and the different track order and without the extra vocal overdubs and other little odds and ends they added. I wouldn't go so far as to say they "ruined" the album with the 13-track version and its associated tweaks, but I very much prefer the 12-track one, and not just because I heard it first. As an aside, this difference between the two versions has me wanting more than ever to hear the "alternate" or "original" version of Seal's debut (I think the details are in Lazlo's discog if you don't know what I'm talking about). I gave up a while ago on finding my own copy, but now I'd like to ask whether anyone has one that they'd be willing to CD-R for me. I'm curious to see whether that last batch of tweaks compromised the quality (like TSOCD) or improved it. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance... speaking of Seal, I'm going to see him live for the first time tomorrow night... JG -----Original Message----- From: Jay A. Hartman [mailto:jhartman@us.checkpoint.com] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:52 AM To: aon-chat Subject: Sigh Well, unfortunately....I REALLY don't like the new cd. I'm SOOOO disappointed! I'll hold onto it just so I can say that I have it along with everything else, but I can't see me listening to the cd ever again. How perfectly sad. Jay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay A. Hartman" Subject: (ztt) RE: Sigh / TCH tweakage Date: 12 Jul 1999 11:17:47 -0700 Actually, I have an extremely varied taste in music. I picked up the new Moby cd, as well as the new Def Leppard cd, and both far exceeded my expectations. I'm really addicted to the Moby cd. The new Amanda Marshall cd is also excellent. Out of all the cds I was anxiously awaiting, I only feel that the AoN cd let me down. However, I'm thrilled to have the special cd with some of their more classic bits. Jay > Perfectly sad, indeed. Out of interest, Jay, what new records > have come out > this year that you *do* like? That *did* live up to your expectations? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jordan.feinman@ps.ge.com Subject: (ztt) Introduction Date: 12 Jul 1999 14:52:24 -0400 Hello, My name is Jordan Feinman, and I'm new to this list. I just thought I'd introduce myself. My only real exposure to ZTT has been Seal's 1st and 2nd album. The two albums have done nothing but pique my interest in Trevor Horn's production techniques. Speaking of which, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask -- does anyone here have any more detail on the production techniques used behind either of these 2 albums? I.e., instruments, sounds, track laying, etc. Any magazine articles would be great as well. I'm also looking into doing some production work and am leaning towards purchasing Cakewalk 8. I realize that ZTT uses Pro Tools, and was debating whether or not to go that route. Forgive me if this questions is tangential to this list, but does anyone have any comparisons they can draw from using Pro Tools and/or Cakewalk? As a note of trivia, has anyone here noticed the reverb on only every other snare hit in Fly Like an Eagle? Or the very subtle triangle-in-lieu-of-hi-hat found just before the snare hits? Sincerely, Jordan Feinman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Dawson" Subject: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks? Date: 12 Jul 1999 17:36:40 PDT As someone else mentioned, it is possible to get all 12 Art of Noise tracks on the amplified.com custom CD -- because I just got mine, too! I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the following mastering flaws, or do they only appear on my copy: "Memory Loss": After the track ends, the counter keeps ticking off a few seconds. At the 1:25 mark, there is a small "burp" of sound. "The Subject Has Moved Left": A very brief (under one second) drop out (sudden silence) at the 1:33 mark. "Structure": A funny edit occurs around the one-minute mark, sort of a "stutter" effect, as if two pieces of tape were sloppily joined. None of these are a big deal, but I'm curious if they are on all copies of the songs. --James Dawson (stjamesdawson@hotmail.com) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:11:06 -0600 I'm starting to get a little bugged! I bought Seduction from CDNow specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any information on how to order it. If anyone has traded email with amplified.com about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need to talk to? -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) Northern Exposure Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:31:42 -0500 Hi everyone... Does anyone know something about the what the story is behind the Northern Exposure CDs? Charlie, I noticed you had one of Sasha and John Digweed mixes (?) --Art of Silence--Teach me--on the web site you posted.... >the Mp3 file is on my webspace: http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy Groetjes * Maggie Margaretha_Hendrickx@mgmt.purdue.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (ztt) Northern Exposure Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote: > Does anyone know something about the what the story is behind the Northern > Exposure CDs? Not sure what story you're referring to, but Sasha & Digweed's DJ mix album 'Northern Exposure 2' was originally released on Ministry of Sound in the UK in 1997. It later saw a US release as 2 separate discs on the Ultra label and should still be available. These US releases were arbitrarily subtitled as "WestCoast" and "EastCoast" editions. While there are some styles of dance music more popular on one side of the country than the other, these discs are not good indicators of what those styles actually are. Unfortunately, if you buy the WestCoast disc to get the Art of Silence track, you're getting the weaker of the two mixes. The EastCoast disc is great -- and I say this as someone who can't stand Sasha & Digweed mixes, normally. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:49:50 -0500 Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble wrote: > I'm starting to get a little bugged! I bought Seduction from CDNow > > specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any > > information on how to order it. If anyone has traded email with amplified.com > > about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need to talk to? > > -- > > Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com > I would return the disc(s) to CDNow (or CDNo as it were) for a full refund and place my order with Tower Records. My reason why follows. This is a quote from some Cust. Svc. gimp at CDNow: > Dear James, > > Thank you for your patience. > > I am not familiar with any promotion for The Art Of Noise. We are not > affiliated with Amplified.com at this time. > I feel it important to note that it took those dolts over 4 days to respond to my question as to why they weren't sending me any conformation email with code & link to Amplified.com's website. Tower got the job done in 48hrs... as advertized. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:36:09 -0500 I took CDNow off my preferred CD list. Those morons couldn't care less. (I wrote them THREE times and have STILL not gotten a response!) Fine. So I wrote directly to amplified.com (showing a link to my order at CDNow to qualify) and got a speedy and polite response from them. Today I got my CD and am right pleased with it in total! Kudos to AMPLIFIED.com! Grrr to CDNow.com. Dave B > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ernie Longmire/Lazlo > Nibble > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:11 PM > To: ZTT > Subject: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc > > > > I'm starting to get a little bugged! I bought Seduction from CDNow > specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any > information on how to order it. If anyone has traded email > with amplified.com > about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I > need to talk to? > > -- > Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks? Date: 12 Jul 1999 21:40:10 -0500 Exact same here. Presumably they were not intended for final use. And we happily fork out $$ to hear their scraps! ... and love it! Dave B > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of James Dawson > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:37 PM > To: ztt@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks? > > > > As someone else mentioned, it is possible to get all 12 Art > of Noise tracks > on the amplified.com custom CD -- because I just got mine, too! > > I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the > following mastering > flaws, or do they only appear on my copy: > > "Memory Loss": After the track ends, the counter keeps > ticking off a few > seconds. At the 1:25 mark, there is a small "burp" of sound. > > "The Subject Has Moved Left": A very brief (under one second) > drop out > (sudden silence) at the 1:33 mark. > > "Structure": A funny edit occurs around the one-minute mark, > sort of a > "stutter" effect, as if two pieces of tape were sloppily joined. > > None of these are a big deal, but I'm curious if they are on > all copies of > the songs. > > --James Dawson (stjamesdawson@hotmail.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) Northern Exposure Date: 12 Jul 1999 23:52:50 -0500 Thanks, Mike! I found (truncated) mp3's of these Northern Exposure CDs and had never really listened to them before. The story I was referring to..., well, I was wondering whether Sasha and Digweed also mixed the third volume since I have seen lists of the songs of the third volume that do not mention them. Maggie >Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote: >> Does anyone know something about the what the story is >behind the Northern >> Exposure CDs? > >Not sure what story you're referring to, but Sasha & Digweed's DJ mix >album 'Northern Exposure 2' was originally released on >Ministry of Sound >in the UK in 1997. It later saw a US release as 2 separate discs on the >Ultra label and should still be available. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2" Subject: (ztt) AON custom Date: 13 Jul 1999 11:10:12 +0200 Hi Ztt This is the reaction a got on my questions on the AON-custom CD. I have seen the several reaction on Lazlo's question, never the less: Does anyone has the appropriate info?? Or should I write to amplifier.com as well?? Reg-art's of noise, Frits > ---------- > From: CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:kmanager@cdnow.com] > Reply To: CDnow Customer Service > Sent: 1999-07-09 22:09 > To: Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2 > Subject: RE: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391 > > Dear Frits, > > Thank you for shopping at CDNOW. > > I apologize for the emails that we have sent you which were > inappropriate. I have reviewed your emails regarding the Art of Noise > custom bonus CD. Unfortunately, I do not have any information about > this promotion. I have also used the link for thier website. It only > states that one will be coming soon. If you have anymore information > regarding this bonus CD, I will be happy to look at it so we can find > out what to do. > > If you have any further questions, please let us know. > > > Yours truly, > > Sally > Customer Service > CDNOW, Inc. Your Music. Your Store. > > http://cdnow.com > AOL Keyword: CDNOW > > Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store! > www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore > > For best service, please include this note with your reply. > > > > Original message follows: > ------------------------- > > Hello, > > I think there is a bit of a mis understanding. > > I have a account at CDnow. I ordered the new Art of noise cd last week > (order 9545391). I should have become a password (only people who order > the > new Art of noise get this password) so i am be able to purchase a > custome CD > with old never released Art of noise material. I did not get the > password. > That's my main concern. > > At first i was not be able to get the custome CD for legal reseans (only > people in USA were allowed). But since a few days no legal limitations > are > prsent. > > So my question is only: > (How) Can i get my password and URL to order the Custome CD?? > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > met vriendelijke groet/ kindly regards, > > Frits van der Veer > > > SIC-CTPK/2, Badhuisweg 3, 1031 CM Amsterdam > > *E-mail: Frits.F.vanderVeer@opc.shell.com > > *Info-foon: (020-630)2778, Fax (020-630)2735 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > From: CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:kmanager@cdnow.com] > > Reply To: CDnow Customer Service > > Sent: 1999-07-09 15:06 > > To: Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2 > > Subject: RE: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391 > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for contacting CDNOW. > > To purchase merchandise from our store, you'll need to follow these > easy > > steps: > > > > First, if you don't have an account with us, you'll need to create > one. > > You can do this by clicking either "My CDNOW" or "Shopping Cart" at > the > > top left hand column of our home page. Select "Create New Account" > and > > fill in the required information. You'll only need to provide this > > information > > once. Don't worry, creating an account is free and easy, and we will > > not share any of your personal information without your express > consent. > > > > A valid email address is required to create an account. If you do not > > have one, a variety of free email services are available on the > > Internet, such as Yahoo! (http://www.yahoo.com) or Lycos > > (http://www.lycos.com). > > > > If you already have an account with us, login to your account from My > > CDNOW or right from your Shopping Cart. You can review or update your > > account information from within My CDNOW by clicking "Account > > Information & Address Book." > > > > Shopping at CDNOW is very much like shopping in a supermarket. To > drop > > an item into your Shopping Cart, you simply click the price of the > item. > > Your Shopping Cart page will immediately appear; from there, you can > > continue to shop or place your order. If you decide you don't want > > something you placed in your Cart, you can easily remove it (or move > it > > to your Wish List). Look for "To change item quantities or move items > > to your Wish List, click here." > > > > When you have everything you want to buy in your Shopping Cart, > checking > > out is easy! Simply review your choices, select your shipping and > > payment methods (we offer several options for each, so it's important > > for you to review your selections), read over the Important Order > > Information, and click "Place Order" at the bottom of the page. > That's > > it! Once you have set up your preferred shipping and payment methods, > > placing orders gets even easier -- just use Express Checkout. > > > > After you click "Place Order," you will receive an order confirmation > > number. If you don't receive a confirmation number, that means your > > order did not go through. > > > > Please visit our online Help Desk (http://www.cdnow.com/helpdesk) for > > more information on shopping, creating an account, customizing our > store > > with My CDNOW, and using our convenient features such as Autologin and > > Express Checkout. > > > > > > > > Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on > this > > matter. > > > > Regards, > > > > Allan > > Customer Service > > CDNOW, Inc. Your Music. Your Store. > > > > http://cdnow.com > > AOL Keyword: CDNOW > > > > Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store! > > www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore > > > > For best service, please include this note with your reply. > > > > > > > > Original message follows: > > ------------------------- > > > > Barbara, > > > > From The http://www.artofnoise.com page i understand that CDnow is one > > > of > > the purchasers of the compilations CD of the ART OF NOISE (Also via > > amplifier.com i ended on CDnow). I know it was at first only for US > > people, > > but i understand it is now purchable for everybody. Only i need a > > password???? > > > > I very much want that CD. > > > > Thanx for your time. > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: CDnow Customer Service[SMTP:kmanager@cdnow.com] > > > Reply To: CDnow Customer Service > > > Sent: 1999-07-04 16:13 > > > To: Van der Veer, Frits F SIC-CTPK/2 > > > Subject: Re: Backorder/Order Status Questions: Order 9545391 > > > > > > Dear Frits, > > > > > > Thank you for contacting CDNOW. > > > > > > Unfortunately, if a product you're looking for isn't listed in our > > > online store, it means that we're unable to get it for you at this > > time. > > > > > > One possibility for you would be to look in the advertising pages of > > > > Goldmine Magazine or other trade publications that can usually be > > > purchased at your local newsstand. > > > > > > I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll visit CDNOW > again > > > soon. > > > > > > Good luck with your search! > > > > > > > > > If you have any further questions, please let us know. > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Barbara > > > Customer Service > > > CDNOW, Inc. Your Music. Your Store. > > > > > > http://cdnow.com > > > AOL Keyword: CDNOW > > > > > > Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store! > > > www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore > > > > > > For best service, please include this note with your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Original message follows: > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > FRITS VAN DER VEER > > > SID: 347673308 > > > I understand, it's one of the reason's, that by ordering the art of > > > noise CD, i am able to get a bonus CD. This CD is a compilation of > old > > > > > songs. I buy this compilation and put it to gether myself (If I > > > understand the art of noise page). > > > > > > How do i get this CD??? > > > it was not mentioned at CDnow?? > > > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) Trevorspotting (choose production) Date: 13 Jul 1999 19:15:54 +0900 Please excuse the take on Trainspotting and its advertising jingle. Someone mentioned that they wanted to hear the alternate version of Seal's debut. Add to that wishlist the alternate but never released version of "Big Generator" (back when Mr Horn was into that big time production sound) and the fabled Mint Juleps and Wendy and Lisa albums. Actually, the unreleased Mint Juleps album is mentioned briefly in Holly Johnson's autobiography (the part where the judge in the ZTT case tours ZTT studios and Steve Lipson is demonstrating the synclavier). Perhaps if ZTT or Trevor monitor this list then I might find a nice email in my Inbox with MP3s attached. Well, we can all dream, can't we!! Raymond A Koh - Trevor spotter extraordinaire rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry MacGregor Subject: Re: (ztt) AON custom Date: 13 Jul 1999 17:48:49 -0400 Hey everybody. I am sorry to hear about all the trouble everyone has been having at CDNow. I pre-ordered TSoCD on Friday 6/25. On Tuesday 6/29 (the release date), I received the following email. I hope that it will help some of you who are having problems with this process. Interestingly enough, at the bottom of my inbox tonight (after I'd read all these stories) I found a survey asking me to rate my recent purchase experience with CDNow. Rest assured that I made good use of the comments section on behalf of you all. (I blanked out my access code in the email below, sorry). Please note that there are a couple ways to contact Amplified with "questions about this offer." Good luck to you all. -- Larry From: Javi Milan To: LMACG@VISI.NET Thank you for purchasing Art of Noise's "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" CD at CDNOW. You are now eligible to make your own Art of Noise Custom CD! You pick the songs, cover art, and title, and your Custom CD will be shipped to you within 24 hours of purchase. Choose up to 10 tracks from our rare Art of Noise collection. The first five songs cost $4.95, and each additional song costs $1.25, plus shipping and handling. Redeeming this offer is simple: 1) Visit http://www.amplified.com/aon 2) Enter your one-time ACCESS CODE: xxxxxxxxx * This code is very important, so please do not lose it. We cannot process any orders without the code. Only one AON Custom CD per "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" CD purchase. 3) Select and sequence your songs. 4) Choose cover art and a title for your CD. 5) Enter your shipping and billing information. (Please note that all Art of Noise Custom CD orders are payable by credit card only (no checks or cash accepted at this time). If you have any questions about this offer, do not contact CDNOW. Please visit the URL above, send an email to mailto:service@amplified.com, or call Amplified.com Customer Service at 1-800-413-8845. Amplified's Customer Service hours are Monday - Friday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Eastern Standard Time. We hope you enjoy your Art of Noise Custom CD! Best regards, Javi Milan CDNOW Digital Products # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Crouch Subject: Re: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks? Date: 14 Jul 1999 00:14:10 -0400 The most annoying flaw to me is the built in skip on the Beat Box (Diverted) at about 6:01. This is my favorite track on the rarities disc, too... My copy also has the same flaws as noted in earlier posts. Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Coen van der Geest Subject: AW: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc Date: 14 Jul 1999 09:30:02 +0200 Hi there, > I would return the disc(s) to CDNow (or CDNo as it were) for a full >refund >and place my order with Tower Records. My reason why follows. This is a quote >from some Cust. Svc. gimp at CDNow: Strange, since I just recieved an e-mail from CD Now to make my custom CD. I ordered it on Monday. Grtz Coen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Propaganda.de@t-online.de (propaganda.de) Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda is Online !! Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:59:57 +0200 Hi all, since yesterday the new Propaganda WebSite is online: www.propaganda.de/index.html bye Karl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dveith@jmcp.com (Doug Veith) Subject: (ztt) propaganda sight is working Date: 14 Jul 1999 10:39:33 -0500 the propaganda site is up and has a video clip on it. very tasty. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" Subject: (ztt) AON Promotion CD problems with CDNOW Date: 14 Jul 1999 11:45:19 -0700 I've also had no end of trouble getting feedback / answers from CDNOW, so I took the advice of a previous posting and contacted Amplified directly. Their response is below. Those of you who are still having trouble with CDNOW should just contact Amplified at service@amplified.com, tell them that you bought TSoCD from CDNow and need a code. My code showed up almost instantly after emailing them: I'm very pleased and looking forward to my custom CD. Regards, ian -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 7:36 AM Hey Ian, Sorry about all the troubles. =( I will gladly send you a code to be able to access the system, and please let the mailing list know that if they send an email to service@amplified.com, or to myself, telling us that they bought TSoCD from CDNow and want a code, we'll set them up immediately. Thanks Ian! Jonathan Hix Web Developer jonathan@amplified.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN Custom Disc Date: 14 Jul 1999 13:40:55 -0600 On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 08:11:06PM -0600, Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble wrote: > I'm starting to get a little bugged! I bought Seduction from CDNow > specifically because of the custom CD but to date I haven't gotten any > information on how to order it. If anyone has traded email with > amplified.com about a similar problem, can you please let me know who I need > to talk to? Problem solved! I finally just telephoned support at amplified.com, got someone I think was named Jon, and he took care of me in a flash. I suspect the problem is at CDNOW -- so if you have trouble, just go straight to amplified and they'll take care of you. Massive props to amplified for their top-rate customer service! -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adeheathen@aol.com Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT: old Propaganda gigs Date: 14 Jul 1999 16:34:37 EDT Does anyone have tapes from the Propaganda gigs of the 80s ? expecially the one at The Palais in Hammersmith. Always wanted to hear that segue of Duel/Jewel again. ade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oII1il+eW5ZN5gUA=?=" Subject: (ztt) RE: CDNow purchasers? Date: 15 Jul 1999 23:01:48 +0900 I have the same problem. My parents in England who received my CD say it is the one CD version. But I did get my code. However, as I pointed out before, I think that this was due to the efforts of amplified. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU > [mailto:owner-aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU]On Behalf Of Phobrek > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:59 AM > To: aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU > Subject: Re: CDNow purchasers? > > > I emailed Amplified, and Jonathan Hix has been wicked helpful. CDNow, > meanwhile, simply has never responded to any of my emails. I > wrote once to > complain that the SOCD I bought from them wasn't the 2-CD version they'd > advertised, and asked if I could exchange it. No answer at all. > > Bastards, I call 'em. > > > Phobrek > ------------------------------- > phobrek@110.net > > > Eclectic TV: http://110.net/~ps3408/ > > "Phobrek Taz - America's golden boy." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameron Kaiser > To: S.Levering@tcu.edu > Cc: aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: CDNow purchasers? > > > >::Has anyone who purchased TSoCD from CDNow heard anything about > the custom > >::CD? I've emailed them, but don't know if I emailed the right > address. I > >::even emailed amplified.com, hoping they would let me go ahead and order > it. > >::If anyone has any helpful addresses, I would be very appreciative... > > > >Got mine with no trouble, and I didn't even have to notify > CDNow. When did > >you order? > > > >-- > >-------------------------- personal page: > http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ -- > >Cameron Kaiser Database Programmer/Administrative > Computing > >Point Loma Nazarene University Fax: > +1 619 849 > 2581 > >ckaiser@ptloma.edu Phone: > +1 619 849 > 2539 > >-- Art is either plagiarism or revolution. -- Paul > Gauguin -------------------- > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) 808 quincy's lunch Date: 16 Jul 1999 15:01:51 -0400 hey there found this 7" this week, 808 is on one side doing 'quincy's lunch' a diff artist on b-side no year on it! not ztt or creed records anyone know what this is? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: (ztt) 808 "Quincy's Lunch" Date: 16 Jul 1999 15:28:00 -0400 Doe sit say 808 State? Isn't there aband out there called 808 now? Or am I thinking of Blaque, who do a song called "808"? -Dave@LExicon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) 808 quincy's lunch Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:51:49 +0200 > found this 7" this week, 808 is on one side doing 'quincy's lunch' > a diff artist on b-side > no year on it! > not ztt or creed records > anyone know what this is? See http://www.808state.com/news/news.htm (January '99) Also Smiley had posted about it here, on January 15th... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: (ztt) Get prepared for a long remix Date: 16 Jul 1999 21:43:06 +0200 Hi, looks like 'Dreaming In Colour' indeed gets the next AON single. Just found the following in an article with Dave Seaman (of Brothers In Rhythm fame): >> [...] they've just finished Art of Noise's 'Dreaming In Colour'. "Trevor Horn loved it" Dave beams. << The complete article is to be found here: http://www.dotmusic.com/dance/news/july99/news13.asp Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ZTT Master" Subject: (ztt) Fw: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer Date: 16 Jul 1999 23:26:00 +0100 Hi Zangs As u can see from below, the "Customer Service" at CDNOW states I cannot order 12 tracks, only 10. But, at Amplified, the site gladly accepted my 12 track selection ;-) Anyway I did not yet receive the confirmation of the Custom CD order from Amplified. Did anyone of you get it? Bye Pedro Lucas from Portugal ztt@ip.pt ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Ter=E7a-feira, 13 de Julho de 1999 21:38 > Hi! > > Thanks for the letter! > > Unfortunately, I do not believe that you are able to choose all 12 trac= ks. I believe that only 10 of the tracks are able to be used. I hope this helps! > > Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you! > > Yours truly, > > Tom > Customer Service > CDnow, Inc. > > http://cdnow.com > AOL Keyword: CDnow > > Together with Music Boulevard we're building a better music store! > www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore > > For best service, please include this note with your reply. > > > From ztt@ip.pt Fri Jul 9 12:56:58 1999 > > From: "ZTT Master" > > To: "Javi Milan" > > Subject: Re: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer > > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:57:05 +0100 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > > > Thank you Javi > > > > I am doing it right now ! Can I order all 12 available tracks ? > > Thanx > > ZTT-Memories > > ztt@ip.pt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Javi Milan > > To: > > Sent: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 1999 14:20 > > Subject: Art of Noise Custom CD Offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for purchasing Art of Noise's "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" > > CD > > > at CDNOW. You are now eligible to make your own Art of Noise Custom CD! > > > You pick the songs, cover art, and title, and your Custom CD will b= e > > shipped > > > to you within 24 hours of purchase. > > > > > > Choose up to 10 tracks from our rare Art of Noise collection. The first > > five > > > songs cost $4.95, and each additional song costs $1.25, plus shippi= ng and > > > handling. > > > > > > Redeeming this offer is simple: > > > > > > 1) Visit http://www.amplified.com/aon > > > > > > 2) Enter your one-time ACCESS CODE: XXXXXXXXX > > > > > > * This code is very important, so please do not lose it. > > > We cannot process any orders without the code. Only one > > > AON Custom CD per "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" CD purchase. > > > > > > 3) Select and sequence your songs. > > > > > > 4) Choose cover art and a title for your CD. > > > > > > 5) Enter your shipping and billing information. (Please note that a= ll Art > > > of Noise Custom CD orders are payable by credit card only (no check= s or > > > cash accepted at this time). > > > > > > If you have any questions about this offer, do not contact CDNOW. > > > > > > Please visit the URL above, send an email to mailto:service@amplified.com, > > > or call Amplified.com Customer Service at 1-800-413-8845. Amplified= 's > > > Customer Service hours are Monday - Friday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Eastern > > > Standard Time. > > > > > > We hope you enjoy your Art of Noise Custom CD! > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Javi Milan > > > CDNOW Digital Products > > > > > > > > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) propaganda 3" mabuse on ebay Date: 19 Jul 1999 13:48:23 -0400 Hi i'm not the one selling it, but i saw someone posting the mabuse 3" on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=133308358 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cliff@ablecom.net (Cliff Tuel) Subject: (ztt) The Seduction of Chinese Food Date: 19 Jul 1999 14:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Last week I was dining at a swanky Chinese restaurant in Beverly Hills. Next to the wonderful scents wafting from the kitchen, the finest thing in the air was the sounds of the new Art of Noise CD, at a low volume with the bass discretely turned down. At first I could only hear the piano bits, so I asked the waitress if it was a Debussy CD, or the new Art of Noise. She laughed, "I've heard Art of Noise, and no way is this them!". Then after checking the CD player, she was amazed that it was indeed AoN. 2:-) -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) Good brand of CD for Audio copies Date: 19 Jul 1999 18:39:17 -0500 Did any of you check out the quality of the various brands of CDs that are available to make audio copies? I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May. And over the week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player did not recognized it at all. A friend of mine told me that MAXELL has the worst CDs to make audio copies. Supposedly, VERBATIM also give suboptimal quality. He did not have any problems with other brands of CDs so far. Did anyone on the list find that other brands of CDs also make poor quality audio copies? Or, is there a brand known for its superior quality of audio copies? Thanks, Maggie PS. I am talking about audio copies and NOT mp3 copies. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) Cliff's story and other things Date: 19 Jul 1999 17:45:20 PDT Cliff : A perfect story, as I love Chinese food very much, and of course I am a huge AON fan. That's very cool to hear ! For everyone else : When is the scheduled release date for the "Dreaming In Colour" single ? Will this one NOT be released in the US as well ? Anyone enter the Mixman contest yet ? NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) One more question about good burning practices Date: 20 Jul 1999 00:39:54 -0500 Has anyone tested whether the speed of burning makes a difference? Someone told me that if I would burn a CD at a lower speed the signal would be etched (or whatever the term is) in the CD. Cheers * Maggie PS So far Mitsui Gold received the most votes BASF (Tayo Uden) and Sony are next. >Did any of you check out the quality of the various brands of >CDs that are available to make audio copies? > >I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May. And >over the week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player >did not recognized it at all. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul & Vanda Eggington" Subject: (ztt) AON Custom CD Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:01:14 -0700 Lazlo- The same thing happened to me, and I emailed CD-Now a couple of times about it - only got form responses. Finally emailed amplified.com for help and they sent me a password and instructions. I just told them the story - didn't even give them an order number, but they responded promptly. I just received the CD today. In CD-Now's defence, I did get an email from them a few days ago (several days after I had already ordered the CD using the password amplified.com provided), saying that someone would be contacting me. Also, I did change my email address since last ordering form CD-Now, so they might have sent the password to the old address. But this is more info than you need, just contact amplified.com! By the way, I got all 12 "songs". Good luck and thanks for all the discogs, etc. etc. Paul Eggington # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC Date: 20 Jul 1999 14:42:34 -0400 Hey there I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video. I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits). It's at the very end of the video, after the girl and guy compare 'muscles' - a very short seen of a guy with horn-rimmed glasses in red jacket sitting on a park bench. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC Date: 20 Jul 1999 14:07:15 -0600 On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 02:42:34PM -0400, Charles Daraghy wrote: > I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might > have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video. > > I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the > album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits). Yes you should. :-) -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC Date: 20 Jul 1999 22:30:21 +0200 > Hey there > I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might > have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video. Right, but you've missed Paul Morley then! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe.Pind@bankofamerica.com Subject: (ztt) Propaganda..... Date: 20 Jul 1999 15:50:32 -0700 I saw the video clip on the updated Propaganda website and then sent e-mail to them asking if this was part of the video for the first single, if I recall, the person at the other end said "yes it is"...If this is any indication of how the new album will sound,well, I can hardly wait for its Spring 2000 release! ......"there is no cause for concern" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks? Date: 21 Jul 1999 00:33:35 -0700 (PDT) James Dawson wrote: > I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the following mastering > flaws, or do they only appear on my copy: OK, let's catalog these. They sound to me like they're either in the original recordings or are mastering errors, not duplication errors. The undesirable effects can be found at the following locations: Memory Loss {1:25} The Subject Has Moved Left {1:33} Structure {1:00} Beat Box (Diverted) {6:01} Any others? Yet another plug for amplified.com's service -- After I informed them that my CD never arrived, they sent a new one to me free of charge. I'm very pleased with the custom CD and its packaging, and recommend anyone having problems email them at service@amplified.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) Trevorspotting (choose production) Date: 13 Jul 1999 19:15:54 +0900 Please excuse the take on Trainspotting and its advertising jingle. Someone mentioned that they wanted to hear the alternate version of Seal's debut. Add to that wishlist the alternate but never released version of "Big Generator" (back when Mr Horn was into that big time production sound) and the fabled Mint Juleps and Wendy and Lisa albums. Actually, the unreleased Mint Juleps album is mentioned briefly in Holly Johnson's autobiography (the part where the judge in the ZTT case tours ZTT studios and Steve Lipson is demonstrating the synclavier). Perhaps if ZTT or Trevor monitor this list then I might find a nice email in my Inbox with MP3s attached. Well, we can all dream, can't we!! Raymond A Koh - Trevor spotter extraordinaire rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: (ztt) AoN vs. Lucas vs. Kubrick vs. Groening Date: 21 Jul 1999 11:10:48 -0500 I've been feeling the same thing about 1999: a big year for new work from some of my favorite long-dormant creative types. I'd add to the Phantom Menace and TSoCD list both Eyes Wide Shut (first Kubrick film in, what, 14 years?) and Futurama (first new Matt Groening show since the Simpsons in 1990). I was seven when Star Wars came out and it changed my perspective on damn near everything, influenced my tastes in not only movies, but books, music, design, etc. Art of Noise in 1983 was a similar experience and continues to influence and inform my musical taste to this day. I beg to differ, however, with your reactions. Both Phantom Menace and TSoCD exceeded my incredibly high expectations; I'm up to eight viewings of Phantom Menace and TSoCD remains in heavy rotation. Neither was a "slow burn," either; I was giddy at first blush on both and my appreciation and admiration only grows with each viewing of Phantom Menace and each listen of TSoCD. Like you, though, I can't wait for more. We all know the long-range plan for continued Star Wars prequels, but I'm wondering whether anyone's heard anything more about the "alternate" versions of TSoCD planned ("The Reduction of Claude Debussy," "The Production of Claude Debussy," "The Abduction of Claude Debussy," etc.). Any new news on these? JG "I have forgotten how to walk and speak and am on the way toward flying into the air, dancing." -----Original Message----- From: Alexander J. Oss [mailto:AlexOss@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:47 PM To: Art-Of-Noise-Maillist Subject: AoN vs. Lucas (I Don't Mean To Go Off On A Rant Here) Expectation, expectation, expectoration. When I was eight or nine, I saw a movie that forever changed my perspective on science fiction films and computer-assisted art. The craftsman who created this movie made a few more, which while handsome, were nowhere near as impressive. Then there was silence for over a decade. When I was thirteen or fourteen, I bought an album (and a gazillion 12" singles) that forever changed my perspective on electronic music and further enhanced my appreciation for computer-assisted art. The craftspeople who created this album made a few more, which while intriguing, were nowhere near as impressive. Then there was silence for almost a decade. When I was thirty, that moviemaker rose from the dead to create an incredibly anticipated "masterpiece", making use of state of the art computer technology. Unfortunately, without plot, and an almost overwhelming CG presence causing a cartoon-like atmosphere of unreality, the anticipation far outstripped the experience. Not that I can't say I'm chomping at the bit for more. When I was thirty, those musicians rose from the dead to create an incredibly anticipated Work Of Art, making use of state of the Art computer technology. However, the attempt at fusion of classical and drum 'n bass and jazz (trip-flop?) can't quite hold a tune, and the anticipation outstripped the experience. Not that I can't say that in the event that Art of Noise return to the One True Manifesto ("And so modern music goes round in this small circle, struggling in vain to create new ranges of tones. This limited circle of pure sounds must be broken, and the infinite variety of 'noise-sound' conquered... the art of noise must not limit itself to imitative reproduction") I wouldn't be chomping at the bit to partake of their pleasures. "Bulgarian battalions marching croooc-craaac [slowly] Shumi Maritza or Karvavena ZANG-TUMB-TUUUMB toc-toc-toc-toc [fast]" Such loss... but this time I didn't cry in the bathroom like I did for the loss I felt when I heard Tom Jones and "Kiss" for the first time, when genius antipop sank into crappop. Redemption is around the corner. Present me with Noise, the effort to translate the unexpected beauty in the sound of reality around us into melody through technology, not a whole lot of d'nb loops over pretty strings (can [or should] anyone say elevator Noise?). Present me with THE TIMBRE OF MATHEMATICS, and THE RHYTHM OF MACHINES. Present me with THE NONTRADITIONAL, aka THE FUTURIST. Should the best part of the album really be sweet, filtered interjections from John Hurt? The skill is not in doubt. The production values are still high. The aim, the goal, the purpose....... why is this seduction considered an Art of Noise? Alexander J. Oss http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/alexoss "In song and dance, I express myself as a member of a virtual community." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cliff@ablecom.net (Cliff Tuel) Subject: (ztt) New Propaganda lineup? Date: 21 Jul 1999 16:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know the lineup of the "new" Propaganda? Obviously Claudia. Who else? Who's the Karl that posted to this list, about the web site? Not Bartos, by any chance? -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) 3" Mabuse Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:33:42 +0900 Man, have you seen the price of this baby on Ebay? There are some REAL collectors out there. Would the owner care to MP3 the tracks to us all at the list? (Note to ZTT* This is a joke) Raymond A Koh rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) Orbital/Art of Noise/Kraftwerk Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:50:03 PDT Latest issue of Raygun magazine : "Orbital meets Art of Noise" Paul Hartnoll talks with Paul Morley and Anne Dudley about drum machines, Hatnoll's early punk days and how he switched over from liking the Dead Kennedys to rap and fell in love with brother Phil's copy of "Beat Box"; how both groups have been able to have the upper hand over the music industry for so many years, commercialism, and both groups' love of Kraftwerk. Paul Morley (AON) ----- "You talk about Kraftwerk. I consider Kraftwerk to be Group Zero. In the true history of music, they're the most important thing, as opposed to the other history of music where Elvis Presley was the most important." Paul Hartnoll (Orbital) ----- "Kraftwerk is where it really all started." Paul Morley (AON) ---- "And indeed where it will all finish." For the ZTT list : Got all three Amplified custom CD's in the mail. Quite pleased. I love the opening of "A Time To Hear (What languages are those voice samples in ? It sounds like Italian and Japanese.) " and "Who's Afraid of Scale". Why is it that some demo tracks sound better than the released versions ? As far as the "flaws" are concerned, I mean, what the fuck do you expect ? They're demos for crying out loud; of course they're going to have glitches in them ! NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) www.mp3spy.com Date: 23 Jul 1999 00:21:06 -0500 Just discovered a GREAT way to listen to music on the WWW www.mp3spy.com. Incredible quality (at least some of the stations.) Those who want more details, send me a private e-mail. Cheers * Maggie PS. Thanks for all those who replied to my two questions about good quality CD-R's. I got a lot of private responses as well. I will reply to you all and let you know what ended up being my best buy. It is definitely not MAXELL; at least not for the burner that I have; a HEWLETT PACKARD 7200 series. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Wojciech_Zaj=B1c?= Subject: (ztt) introduction Date: 23 Jul 1999 12:32:37 +0200 Hello, My name is Wojciech, I live in Poland and like very much the music ZTT label has made. I love Art Of Noise, Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Seal. I would be interested in exchanging Polish cassette tapes from Seal, FGTH and UK 12" singles from FGTH. I also have Japanese CD "Bong!" that also could go for exchange. One Second DR 156 Dragon label PL. Feel free to write me after August 23rd. Tomorrow I am going on holidays. Wojciech Zając e-mail: wzajac@kki.net.pl fonorama@friko2.onet.pl fonopr@polbox.com tel./fax (+48 12) 423-41-16 -- Najlepszy polski bezplatny serwer http://www.kki.net.pl To jest miejsce na reklame Twojej firmy - biuro@kki.pl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: (ztt) Mixman Contest Date: 24 Jul 1999 15:30:33 -0500 Hey all -- I posted my mixes of Dreaming in Colour on the MixZone site for the contest a week ago -- and -nobody's- reviewed my tracks. Good or bad review, give the Mixman site ( http://www.mixman.com/html/mz/mixzoneframe.html ) a try and give the mixes (both mine and others) a listen and review them! If other listmembers are participating, I'm sure they'll be glad to see the feedback as well... David "Eschatfische" Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: (ztt) ZTT @ eBay (Hoodlum Priest CD + more) Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:46:34 -0600 I have a bunch of spares up at eBay including Heart Of Darkness, blue-cover Best Of AoN and the original US Welcome To The Pleasuredome CD...reasonable starting bids...if you're interested: -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: (ztt) TSOCD in Russia Date: 09 Jul 1999 09:47:32 +0100 Hello list, I have just spend some days in Russia, where TSOCD naturally arrived ealy July. It were in 3 out of 5 shops, that I visited. One legal store, where the original was imported and two 'shops' with illegal pressings, where they simple hardcopy both CD and front page! These illegal CDs are sold at 1.5 - 3.0 $ each - with gradual rebates, dependent on the number of CDs you purchase. One of the shops listed rebates for 201-300 copies. I wonder how many customers use these quantities! Torben - the Dane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew M. Galkin" Subject: (ztt) FS: ZTT items and other electronic oddities Date: 27 Jul 1999 03:00:05 -0600 Hello, If anyone's interested I have over 100 records for sale with many ZTT items, electronic dance, synthpop, industrial. Please email me personally for a list. amgalkin@ix.netcom.com Thanks! Andy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:27:40 +0900 It would be great if those people living in the UK and the US to keep an eye open on the charts and to publish their findings on the list for us poor souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD are rather hard to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The last I heard was that metaforce was languishing at 53 in the UK charts. as this as high as it gets? That's what AON get for putting out an extremely conventional track. Ah well, I guess I will have to wait until I return the the UK in August to hear my wonderful custom CD and the long awaited album. ps I heard a section of the album on Japanese TV yesterday and I thought the opera was very nice, contrary to what some others on the list thought!! Keep dreaming in colour............. pps On the Universal American release, is it "Dreaming in colour" or "Dreaming in color"? Raymond A Koh rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:41:06 -0500 It is "Dreaming in Colour", in the US; (CD distribited via Universal records in New York) I could swear that nl stands for "The Nederlands" ?!!? Maggie ::for us poor ::souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD ::are rather hard ::to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The :: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) 3" Mabuse Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:48:15 -0500 ::Man, have you seen the price of this baby on Ebay? There are some REAL ::collectors out there. Would the owner care to MP3 the tracks ::to us all at ::the list? (Note to ZTT* This is a joke) :: I don't mind taking your question seriously... Hey owner! Maggie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB Date: 27 Jul 1999 16:40:28 -0500 Why John Hurt? "1984?" "Love and Death on Long Island"? Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)? Why "the floor"? Is it the "Disco floor (to dance and act out AoN as a metaphor)?" Or, is the floor in a literal meaning? to be trampled and walked over? Or, is there still another explanation? Cheers * Maggie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCD Date: 27 Jul 1999 15:10:16 -0700 (PDT) [typo in Subject line corrected] > Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)? Why "the floor"? "4 on the floor" (or "4 to the floor") refers to a kick drum that hits on every beat in 4/4 time. Remember elementary music theory? People often use "4/4" and "4 on the floor" interchangeably to describe a house/disco beat. Such a rhythm pattern actually consists of a bit more than just a 4-beat time signature or monotonous kick drum pattern, but I digress. The implication in this case is just that the remix is danceable. I'm sure, however, there is probably some deeper meaning than just a play on words, Morley being the clever devil that he is... - Mike ______________________________________________________________________ Mike Brown / Hyperreal | Director, Hyperreal Music Archive PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/ Denver CO 80206-8334 USA | Software Engineer, www.netIgnite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: FW: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB Date: 27 Jul 1999 17:17:15 -0500 :: ::| Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)? Why "the floor"? :: ::Ever heard the phrase "four on the floor"? As in, on hands and knees? :: Yes, but I am not sure what your train of thought is. I have the expression in connection with cars that have four acceleration positions though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:41:21 -0500 Because Orson Welles is dead. JG -----Original Message----- Why John Hurt? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "H. van Iersel" Subject: (ztt) buggles & frames update Date: 28 Jul 1999 15:24:23 +0200 +++ Hi everybody, As already mentioned on this list, the Buggles' Plastic Age is rereleased and it is great! The booklet has lots of rare photo's from Mr. Downes and Horn. Also included is a Buggles-autobiography by Geoffrey Downes! And of course the 3 bonus tracks (with the fantastic demo version of "Johny on the monorail") are a must-have for every Buggles/TCHorn diehard. Now let's wait another 20 years for the US promo-only remixes "Clean Clean" and "Living In The Plastic Age" to be released on cd. Oh, then also include the French 12" remixes from "On TV" and "Lenny"........ Some Frames updates: Frames in the USA: Pavement Tune - US promo cd5 ZTT U5P-1501 Frames in Ireland: Magic Hand - 10" Till next time, Henry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin L Poulter Subject: Re: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB Date: 28 Jul 1999 20:21:19 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Hendrickx, Margaretha wrote: > Why John Hurt? They just liked his voice? Wanted something very masculine to contrast with the wispy female singers. > "1984?" "Love and Death on Long Island"? > > Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)? Why "the floor"? > > Is it the "Disco floor (to dance and act out AoN as a metaphor)?" Or, is > the floor in a literal meaning? to be trampled and walked over? Or, is > there still another explanation? "Four on the floor" is a term for a 4/4 drumbeat. -- MARTIN L: Postgrad. researching philosophy of belief and Bayesian inductive M POULTER : logic at Bristol Uni., UK. * Avoid b/width-wasting blank space! * c Cult Concern FAQ + Soppy Compliments Page + Celibate FAQ + Gifts from "Bob" Q Helena Kobrin Page + Scientology Criticism: http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~plmlp/ ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON : (off-topic) Phobrek (where are you ?) Date: 28 Jul 1999 16:08:22 PDT Hey Phobrek ! Are you still on this list ? I know that it has been forever since the last time you have written to me, but I have finally finished dubbing your AON video that you had sent me a check for. I truly apologize that it has taken such a horrendoulsy long amount of time, but my VCR has been having loads of problems lately (tapes being continously eaten; etc.) . I hope that you understand. Anyways, I have lost your e-mail and home address, so I was wondering if you could send those to me ASAP. Thanks, NoiseWerker (Josh) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: (ztt) WTB: artofsilence.co.uk Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Can someone point me to someplace where I can buy the artofsilence.co.uk CD? Thanks - Mike ______________________________________________________________________ Mike Brown / Hyperreal | Director, Hyperreal Music Archive PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/ Denver CO 80206-8334 USA | Software Engineer, www.netIgnite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON : Metaforce premiere and contest Date: 29 Jul 1999 23:55:19 PDT Hey Noisemakers ! Raveworld (raveworld.net) is premiering the new "Metaforce" video on saturday, and they are also having a contest where the winner will receive signed lithograph prints from the video. They're also showing footage next week from the ruins of Woodstock '99. Good luck to you all ! NoiseWerker (AON & Kraftwerk FOREVER !) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt