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Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest
Hawk,
Let me get together what I have and figure out what I'm lacking and will
get back to you and John.
Mr. Kramer and I have had some good discussions over the last year about
the Museum of the Fur Trade and related problems. We have never met in
person, but considered him a first class act, tell it the way it is, and a
friend.
You to Mr. Pierce seem to run along these lines, and we (member of this
chat line) want to thank you and John for your efforts in providing great
photo's and inportant views on the varied subjects.
In time maybe some of the others with special knowledge will step forward
and share some information. Too bad John and myself could not of gotten
Charley Hanson involved before leaving for the other side, that would have
been very interesting with his knowledge of the fur trade.
I'll be in touch in a week or so.
Have the tech support duty for company, and just got called.
Later
Buck
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> From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest
> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:50 PM
>
> barry tell me what you need photos of and i will try to help---I have a
> lot of original stuff and dont mind posting photoes of it---have a
> multitude of rifles horns, bags and about any kind of mountain man stuff
> that would be required---just have to get the pictures that you need---a
> friend had a digital camera and took the ones that we posted on kramers
> board---I truly wish i had taken pictures of all the guns that i have
> restored or repaired---the good ones i have tried to buy some i could
> afford and some i couldnt---being not a wealthy person makes it tough
> some times---especially when you find a treasure and cant afford to get
> it---I hit that delema all the time---best to you and yours---
>
> YMHOSANT
> =+=
> "Hawk"
> Michael Pierce
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor, florida 34684
> 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:02:53 -0600 "Barry Conner"
> <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >Hawk,
> >
> >May be able to use your photos for website mentioned earlier for
> >period
> >travel and equipage used.
> >
> >Buck
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
> >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search &
> >Contest
> >> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 7:22 PM
> >>
> >> there was a lot of palaber a while back about a ketch on a bag----i
> >have
> >> been digging and found one that can be posted if someone would like
> >to
> >> put it on their web site--I have it on a jpg and can send it to
> >anyone
> >> interested along with some photoes of a couple of original shooting
> >bags.
> >> the bags came from m.a. rupp and he was around 90 years old when he
> >gave
> >> them to me--they were his fathers and had been left in a trunk for
> >many
> >> years---he gave the bags to me back in 1960---manard was born in
> >1850 in
> >> origon territory---his father migrated there from st louis and is on
> >the
> >> tax rolls in 1825 and then no longer existed on the tax
> >listings---manard
> >> was 12 years old when his father died and left him with his
> >mother---he
> >> migrated to arkansas and became a resident of eureks springs ark in
> >1954.
> >> he died in 1958 at the age of 98. I also have his muzzle loading
> >rifle
> >> that belonged to his father he said---he gave that to me a couple of
> >> years after he gave me the shooting bags----one of the bags is made
> >of
> >> canvis and has his fathers name and a date of 1830 in the inside of
> >it .
> >> the leather bag doesnt have any markings and is very crude
> >made---the
> >> canvis bag has leather whelting and is also not in very good shape.
> >> there are no straps for either bag---I will send the pictures to
> >anyone
> >> interested or who wants to post them on their web site.
> >>
> >> I also promised to send some one a set of drawings for a double
> >> beavertale bag and have the copies along with a jpg photo of the
> >one in
> >> question and if they would drop me a note offline with their address
> >I
> >> will send out ASAP. I have prints on hand---
> >>
> >> I hope this will start to motivate others in the great 1830 american
> >
> >> hunting bag search---
> >> i know i cannot enter as i am suposto be a judge---some good prizes
> >for
> >> doing a little research.
> >>
> >> "Hawk"
> >> Michael Pierce
> >> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> >> Palm Harbor, florida 34684
> >> 1-(813) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com
> >>
> >> On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:49:36 -0500 Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
> >> writes:
> >> >Washtahay-
> >> > OK folks. We've had a lot of palaver over one small
> >feature
> >> >of one bag
> >> >the last few days. So lets get down to brass tacks on this. I
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >locate an original hunting pouch that we can document as having
> >been
> >> >in use
> >> >on the frontier in the years 1825 to 1835, with the target date of
> >> >1830.
> >> >Here are the criteria the bag must meet:
> >> > "Frontier" is defined as Rocky Mountains, Santa Fe trade,
> >> >Texas, or the
> >> >Missouri River trade. We should probably include bags in use in
> >the
> >> >St
> >> >Louis area and west within Missouri. While I would love to hear
> >about
> >> >the
> >> >bags in use in the North during this time, that isn't the target
> >area.
> >> >
> >> > "Document" is defined as being able to objectively date as
> >> >having been in
> >> >use in the area defined as "Frontier". By objectively, I mean by
> >> >contemporary records or a chain of evidence. The assignment of
> >dates,
> >> >for
> >> >example Madison Grant's "ca 1820-1840" does NOT count, unless
> >> >supported by
> >> >other available information (an example being the bag he shows on
> >pp
> >> >74-75
> >> >of KRHP). If you can come up with a bag that went with the supply
> >> >trains
> >> >to Rendezvous, great! But the bag used by some famous mountain man
> >in
> >> >the
> >> >late 1850s isn't what we are looking for.
> >> > The bag must be published or accessible to the public. The
> >
> >> >folks on the
> >> >list must have some way of accessing the bag, to examine and
> >evaluate
> >> >it
> >> >for their own purposes. Be prepared to furnish supporting
> >> >documentation.
> >> >
> >> > Prize? Immortal fame isn't enough? How about a rum horn
> >and
> >> >horn cup?
> >> >Copied after the canteen shown on p 142 and the bottom cup on p
> >144
> >> >of
> >> >"The Powder Horn and its Architecture".
> >> > Let's run this for a week or so and see what comes out of
> >the
> >> >woodwork.
> >> >Judge's decisions are final. Hawk, John Kramer-are you guys
> >willing
> >> >to
> >> >help me judge this?
> >> >
> >> >Let the hunt begin!
> >> >LongWalker c. du B.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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