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Grant Palmer Letters to Newspaper Editors:

Dear Sirs,

I write with regard to your article in this morning's paper regarding Grant Palmer.

The gap between what is taught in Mormon chapels, missionary discussions etc. about Mormonism's foundational events and what is available at a few mouse clicks distance is dangerous for many Mormons. This danger grows as well-researched evidence that is highly probable to disconfirm Mormon orthodoxy becomes more readily available over the Internet. Many marriages and other important personal relationships have foundered as this information comes thundering without warning into the lives of people who are unprepared to deal with it. My story in that regard can be found at http://mccue.cc/bob/spirituality.htm. I left Mormonism after a lifetime of service, including five years as Bishop.

In my view, Grant Palmer is doing a profound service for the Mormon community and particular for its leaders. He raises issues for discussion that many of them know need to be discussed but cannot themselves mention in public. He is an agent for precisely the kind of mainstreaming change toward which Gordon Hinckley points when he de-emphasizes things like "man can become like God" and emphasizes Christ's role within Mormonism.

Grant Palmer says little if anything that is new and is not the most balanced or scholarly voice. But, he speaks from his heart and in the best of our democratic tradition, brings to light important, legitimate questions that make many people uncomfortable. And, in my view, he left alone the most telling evidence that strikes at the heart of Mormonism - that related to Joseph Smith's history of deception and hence general untrustworthiness.

I am reminded of what David O. McKay said in a 1950s General Conference address in reference to the case of a much more strident and unfaithful member of the Mormon Church - the openly atheistic University of Utah philosophy professor Sterling McMurrin. President McKay had a short time before stymied attempts to excommunicate McMurrin. In what many who heard him understood to be a reference to McMurrin, he said:

"Ours is the responsibility ... to proclaim the truth that each individual is ... entitled to freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly; that he has the right to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. ... organizations or churches which deprive the individual of these inherent rights are not in harmony with God's will nor with his revealed word."

It is regrettable in my view that President McKay's counsel regarding these matters has been ignored by those who inherited from him the Mormon mantle of authority. In this, Mormon leadership behaviour merely reflects broad societal trends. The 1940s - early 60s were marked by rising confidence in public institutions and the power of liberal democracy that is reflected by the kind of pronouncement President McKay made. The social catharsis of the late 1960s and early 70s eroded that confidence, and caused many institutions (including the Mormon Church) to become more insular and conservative. Think, for exampe, of the dismemberment of Leonard Arrington's Church History Department; the creation of the so-called "faithful history" policy that requires those who teach about Mormonism to suppress any information that does not paint the orthodox picture; and the excommunication of Mormon academics and other intellectuals in the early 1990s.

Grant Palmer's case raises a number of important questions about Mormonism. For example: How mature is Mormonism as a faith and how mature does the Mormon leadership perceive its membership to be?; do Mormons still require the protection of a Taliban style information bubble to prevent them from grappling with the "reality" of how their faith came into being, and hence, what it is?; since Mormon leaders are critical of other faiths that limit their members' access to information, how does Mormonism justify information suppression?; since Joseph Smith said that the "truth cuts its own way" and hence did not need his help or that of any other Mormon leader, what has changed about Mormonism since he said that?

While I do not agree with everything Grant Palmer says, I share his view that it is past time for Mormonism to grow up and not only allow, but promote, the discussion of all questions relevant to its foundations and world view. That is the direction Joseph Smith, President McKay and other confident, forward looking Mormon leaders have pointed.

If there had been more people like Grant Palmer and David O. McKay within the Mormon community as my generation came to maturity, many of us who have left Mormonism behind would likely not have done so.

Kindest regards,

Bob McCue
Calgary, Canada


Dear Editor:

A couple of misconceptions need to be cleared up regarding your recent article on the possible excommunication of Grant Palmer. First, persons associated with the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS) are not “scholars,” they are “apologists.” They do not use scholarly (scientific) methods, but instead pervert the scientific method by beginning with the conclusion and working backward to the premises, and they scrupulously avoid submitting their work to true peer review by the scientific/scholarly community (specifically because they know the ridicule they would bring on themselves). To label them “scholars” is an act of overt, but misapplied, generosity. The apologist’s primary function is to keep wavering Saints in the fold by offering plausible sounding explanations to the myriad of historical, doctrinal, ethical, and character problems with Mormonism. “Whatever it takes,” should be the apologists’ motto.

Second, members of FARMS most certainly are not “highly orthodox.” In fact, they are “highly heterodox.” A substantial portion of what they write directly contradicts published statements by past and present LDS prophets and other high LDS leaders. They spin a twisted, convoluted, outlandish, complex version of Mormonism (the result of having to explain so many inconsistencies and other troubling evidences away) that would be as unfamiliar to the average LDS churchgoer as the material inside Grant Palmer’s book.

Third, the article selectively quotes people critical of Palmer’s book (ironically one of them criticizing Palmer for selectively choosing his evidence) but omits any quotes by people favorable toward Palmer’s book, thus creating the incorrect impression that reaction to it by “knowledgeable” sources is negative. I am a well-published Ph.D. (in actual scientific journals) and former professor at BYU, and I have read the book. I found Palmer's book highly informative and well reasoned. While I did not agree with all of Palmer’s interpretations or conclusions, I nonetheless found the book credible and the conclusions reasonably valid. Its central message, however, is indisputable. The foundational events, history, and doctrinal evolution of Mormonism are quite different, and much more humanistic, than the foundational myths and “faith promoting” stories spoon fed to LDS membership and the general public by LDS leaders and the correlation committee.

Finally, I must comment that I find the action of the LDS church in this case to be appalling. Having recently read an account of Galileo’s appearance before the Catholic Inquisition, I am deeply troubled by the parallels found therein. The LDS church has a long history of stifling dissent and suppressing (or attempting to suppress) negative information, and, sadly, this experience adds yet another chapter to this sorry history. For an organization that claims to value “truth” so highly, it has a curious habit of attempting to suppress truth when it does not suit its purposes.

Yours truly,

Gary Woller
Sandy, Utah


Dear Editor,

When I was summoned by the SP under the hand of the committee for strengthening the members, the meeting went according to a pattern I've since heard repeated.

The SP first asked me to bear my testimony. He was preparing for his game of spiritual blackmail. He wanted me to testify that the church was true. Then, he was prepared to use that testimony against me. He wanted me to know that I was fighting against something I knew to be true, and that by doing so, I was in jeopardy of losing my eternal salvation.

I had only written some letters to the editor and whatnot, but since Grant has published a book, it might be impossible for him to avoid excommunication. The SP will ask for GPs testimony. He will ask if GP wants to repent. They may argue over whether there is anything requiring repentence, since GP has been telling only the truth.

Then, the SP will probably tell GP that he needs to be excommunicated in order for the repentence process to be complete. Or, he will find that GP is unrepentent, and needs to be excommd.

No matter what, the SP will tell GP in no uncertain terms that he is going to hell. That the blessings of the gospel are revoked, and that his testimony is meaningless because of his sin.

If the SP has a reasonable bone in his body, he will let GP off the hook. If the SP is really smart, he'll recognize what the church is doing and he'll resign himself.

I look forward to reading about it, either way, as the press coverage increases.

Bob


Dear Editors,

A Gentleman by the name of Grant Palmer has been scheduled for a church discipline court action hearing on 12-12-04 at 7 am, by his Stake President. (I give the names of the SP and the Stake name).

Mr. Palmer is the author of a book, 'An Insiders View of Mormon Origins.' Mr. Palmer is a former Church Education System employee, having been a three-time director of LDS Institutes of Religion in California and Utah. He has devoted most of his life and time to service in the church.

Mr. Palmer is still an active Mormon and is currently the Instructor of his High Priest Quorum in his ward.

His book finds much of what we take for granted as literal history of the Mormon Church has been tailored over the years, slightly modified, added to, one aspect emphasized over another, to the point that the original narratives have been nearly lost. What was experienced as a spiritual or metaphysical event, something from a different dimension, often has been refashioned as if it were a physical, objective occurrence. This is not how the first Saints interpreted these events. Historians who have looked closer at the foundational stories and source documents have restored elements, including a nineteenth-century world view, that have been misunderstood, if not forgotten.

It is my understanding that Desert Book may be pulling his book off their shelves.

This in my opinion is quite similar to the Mormon Church's excommunication of 5 or 6 LDS Intellectuals, some of whom were BYU Professors several years ago because they made public statements or published writings which the church found offensive.

This reminds me of a similar tragedy centuries ago when Galileo was forced to recant his findings which contradicted the Catholic Church's dogma of a believe in an earth centered universe. The church maintained the sun and planets orbited the earth. With his findings Galileo discovered the earth and planets actually orbited the sun. He was threatened with torture and even death unless he recanted his teachings and writings. Out of fear for his life he recanted and was subsequently placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Fortunately a few brave souls secreted away some of his writings so that later generations could finally learn the truth. A few years back the Catholic Church apologized for their treatment of Galileo. A little late I would say.

I believe an excommunication of Mr. Palmer is something that could bring national and even international media attention to Salt Lake City, much of it negative and unwanted by the Mormon Church leaders.

This is something I'm sure you would want to investigate in more detail for a possible article in your newspaper.

Sincerely,

Herbert Philbrick


Dear Editor,

As a former institute glutton (I once signed up for an entire quarter of nothing but institute classes at USU), I just wanted to add a few comments to the Grant Palmer discussion.

First of all, having had a number of my institute teachers deliberately withhold information from me and others crucial to ascertaining whether the church could be all it claimed (I later realized this when I read some of their historical pieces); and having had a number of them essentially tell me flat out that the church had formally asked them to censor what they said publicly (somehow I didn't grasp the implications of this at the time), it has been gratifying to me to see someone affiliated with the CES finally decline to participate in the Orwell-style wholesale revision of reality the church, lamentably, so depends on (see Elder Packer's speech, "The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than The Intellect", or Deconstructor's list of similar statements).

I should add, that this is not to condemn my old teachers - I don't know that I can presume to judge just to what degree they understood the extent of Joseph's invention, or to what degree they had lost the ability to morally reason about how to deal with that fact, or how much they feared losing their families if they permitted themselves to wonder the unwonderable, or what.

But the fact is, that for whatever reasons, some did not disclose what they knew, and instead transmitted an inaccurate, but faith-promoting version of reality to sincere students, whose only crime was to believe that a church-employed, recommend holding teacher would never "deal dishonestly with their fellow men" by lying through omission or comission, consciously or semi-consciously. How silly we were.

In any case, to Grant Palmer. I know of no good reason why anyone shouldn't write letters to the editor or do whatever they feel should be done to encourage the media, and by extension the church, to confront questions raised by Palmer, or to express support for Palmer in what has to be a very difficult period of his life - with one proviso:

I don't think anyone should attempt to argue that Palmer shouldn't be excommunicated.

The reason why is that men like Grant Palmer have no business being members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and as far as I'm concerned, the church should go ahead and kick him out, and everyone else they find like him. We should all stop the hand wringing and whining, and accept the reality that there is NO PLACE for anyone who wants truth no matter the cost, in ANY organization which doesn't. The church clearly has placed itself in this category (see again the many talks compiled by Deconstructor, or, just read Mormon history).

For all the good the church may or may not embody, the reality is - proved again and again by its actions - that in the end, the church isn't really about the truth at all - so why the fuss? It is about what its founder was about - survival and growth, just because. Anyone who can even contemplate the possibility that the church is perhaps not entirely synonymous with All Cosmic Truth, doesn't belong. They never have.

Along these lines, I encourage the church (maybe the church employees who monitor this board will kindly pass along my suggestion) to reintroduce a version of Jedediah Grant's Mormon catechism, developed during the so-called Mormon Reformation; but instead of being asked how often they bathe or clean out the privy, members can be given a psychological test (like a concentrated, extended temple recommend interview) to see NOT if they HAVE committed thought or speech crimes, like Palmer has; but to see if they are potentially CAPABLE of committing thought or speech crimes (like one day wondering whether it really makes sense to thoroughly reject ANY possibility that once, a poor, desperate young human being did not tell the truth, or whether one ought to believe that "feelings" constitute a reliable indicator of whether historical events happened, or to believe that people with no Israelite ancestry whatsoever are in fact Israelites as Joseph Smith said they were, etc.)

Home teachers can administer the tests; each HT unit will serve as a TDS - a Truth Detection Squad: anyone who the test determines might one day - due to some unfortunate personality quirk - value something that is true, just because it is true, over the survival and growth of untrue ideas (like those found in Joseph's church), can then be weeded out pronto. They can be excommunicated right then and there, during the visit. This new program could be called "Pre-emptive Inquisition", or "PI" for short.

After all, I think the church should learn from this Palmer incident that an ounce of prevention is indeed worth a pound of cure. If they had excommunicated Palmer 15 years ago when he first started wondering, they wouldn't have this problem now, would they? He would have been just another totally discredited loser excommunicated for reasons the church won't disclose, with therefore a perpetual taint around him. He would have had, then, no standing to write his book; and so, there most likely wouldn't be a book; and if there weren't, there'd be no PR problem now, would there? No pesky discussions about the perpetuation of ideology just because, versus reality...

So, I say, write all the letters of support and everything else, but...no more hand-wringing or fretting about the excommunication per se. Every person reading this knows that in a conflict between survival per se and Truth, the church will always kill Truth; and so, it will always kill all its members who would not also kill Truth. Truth is always the enemy of the lie - it can't be any other way. Why hope differently? The truth about Grant Palmer is that he deserves to be excommunicated: he told the truth from within an organization whose entire project is the perpetuation of untruth.

And to my readers at HQ, good luck with the pre-emptive Inquisition program. It's about time!

Tal Bachman


Dear Editors,

It is with heavy heart that I learned Grant Palmer, author of An Insider’s View of Mormon History, has been called in for an LDS Church court. He seems to be the latest in the growing list of those who are persecuted for their attempts to grapple honestly with difficult issues of church history. Disciplinary actions against loyal and devoted scholars suggest that authorities care more about suppression of discussion than following the high ideals they proclaim. They create a public relations disaster for the church.

As Sterling McMurrin said in a letter to the editor in these pages almost ten years ago, AThe LDS Church has considerable power and wealth, with a strong tradition of leadership and action. It is not a fledgling sect that can survive only on conformity and obedience. In its theology, the church celebrates freedom, intelligence, knowledge, and love as the great values. It can afford to practice what it preaches.@

Let the church begin by stopping any further actions that offend against free thought and expression.

Sincerely Yours,

William T. Dobbs


Dear Editors,

Recently, a caring and sincere Christmas card came to me from a former inmate on my prison case management case load.

In his card, he wrote:

"... I'll never forget you! Thank you ... for treating me like a human being."

That same day, a lady from a local Christian church took it upon herself to telephone me at home. She invited me to her church and to give up the "Mormon cult," which she wrongly believed worships Joseph Smith and doesn't even accept the Bible or Jesus Christ. (Huh?)

Albeit sincere, she was and is so sadly deluded by prejudice and misinformation about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the Old Testament of the Bible, the prophet Daniel prophesied that God would "set up a kingdom" that would "never be destroyed" and would "stand forever."

In making this prophecy, he spoke of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the kingdom of God on earth today.

From the day the church was organized with six members, it has grown and flourished, and will continue to progress until it has "filled the whole earth."

With Jesus Christ at the head of the church, living prophets will continue to guide the church's progress until the earth is prepared for the saviour's second coming.

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Larry D. Kump

Falling Waters, W.Va.


Dear Editor,

As a long time member of the LDS church I would like to comment upon the upcoming disciplinary court to be held on Grant Palmer.

As a youth and throughout my early years I was always taught that the "glory of God is intelligence" and that we should study as much as we can, especially about the church and the Gospel. I was taught that no study of the truth could shake the foundations of the church. However, the court for Grant Palmer simply shows that the Mormon Church has something to hide that it does not want its membership to see. And why would that be? Why should the Church be afraid of the truth?

I read Mr Palmer's book "An Insider's View" and found it to be quite enlightening. As an author and a researcher myself I randomly checked his sources and found each one accurate. I have also read a number of reviews by FARMS and find them more to be attacks on Palmer himself than refutations of the facts from Palmer's book. If he wrote an untruth it should have been pointed out. None were. I should also note that FARMs does not publish in peer reviewed journals but only has reviews done by "friends". Any true scholarly work would be put through a peer review process. As an applied anthropologist working and teaching at a University I know that any bona fide institution will use correct peer review procedures.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and its leaders should take Joseph Smith's words to heart when he said: "I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine, it looks too much like methodism [sic] and not like Latter day Saintism. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of
their church. I want the liberty of believing as I please, it feels so good not to be trammeled. It don't [sic] prove that a man is not a good man, because he errs in doctrine." (The Words of Joseph Smith, pp. 183-184, Ehat & Cook, Bookcraft, 1980.)

Grant Palmer should not be excommunicated for writing the truth. The Church leadership should look inwardly and accept the truth, warts and all.

Name Withheld


Grant Palmer's detractors should stick to the facts
By Chuck Goldberg

So Mormon author Grant H. Palmer was disfellowshipped due to his 2002 book, An Insider's View of Mormon Origins.

Palmer had challenged some of the faith's founding events - Joseph Smith's First Vision, the visit of the Angel Moroni, Smith's translation of ancient writings on gold plates, and the restoration of the priesthood.

Apparently Palmer's 34-year career as a faithful church director and educator spared him from excommunication. However, it did not prevent his detractors, quoted in last week's Tribune article, from accusing him of bias, disloyalty or questionable motives, impugning his credentials, saying he is hurting the church.
Such reaction reminded me of an introduction written a generation ago for the book, Life In the Son, by Robert Shank. Like Palmer, Shank had dared to risk his professional reputation to question one of his faith's cherished doctrines. Yet, a professor named William W. Adams had the courage to direct these words to Shank in the introduction, which are now so apropos for Palmer:

"Some will loudly denounce your book merely because you dare to call in question some of their customary interpretations and to challenge their accustomed doctrinal position. They will label you a heretic or a novice.

"Let me urge you to ignore all criticisms of yourself, and all criticisms of your book that amount to mere general disapproval and denunciation. This will be the resort only of men who are incapable of presenting any serious reply to your interpretations and thesis. Negative criticisms that fail to demonstrate objectively that your interpretations are incorrect will not deserve serious consideration or serve the cause of truth.

"Some will consider that 'unity' is more important than truth and that, right or wrong, conformity to tradition and popular opinion is the only wise course.
Men so easily become enslaved by a vested interest in the status quo, and many will refuse to venture the risk of honestly searching for truth at the possible expense of comfort."

Adams challenged Shank's readers to obtain the book, read it carefully and prayerfully at least three times, and as objectively as possible. Then, only after they tried to refute the author's interpretation and thesis, should they form their conclusions. He then said:

"If (he) is right . . . it is of the utmost importance for time and eternity that we come to share his understanding . . . If he is wrong, it remains for us to refute his thesis by demonstrating that we are better . . . interpreters of Scripture than he has proved himself to be. In any event, a critical re-examination of one of the historic tenets of our theology now becomes mandatory through the publishing of this book."

Therefore, Palmer's detractors should confine themselves to the facts and attempt to prove objectively that he is wrong. They should be viewing this as a wonderful opportunity to buttress Mormon doctrine.

After all, a faith that is true will withstand scrutiny and we will all be better for having made the effort. As Jesus himself said, " . . . seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." (Matthew 7:7).


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