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Tom,
One of the oldest stock books out there talks about this pattern.
Nicholas Darvas
I believe it was called, " How I made $2 million in the Market."
Or "How I made $1 million in the Market."
It may still be in print.
Call me crazy.
Play to win!
Ed
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:45 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski re: patterns besides C&H
Hi David,
Thanks for the kind words, I hope what I post helps you and other
members.
I am an investor, especially now that I have little time to watch the
markets. Even when I was an active stock broker, I did very little short
term trading, and then only when the clients wanted to, and were
suitable. When I consider buying a stock, I always ask myself the
question, "am I willing to own this stock for at least three months,
even if it's not making me money?" If the answer is not a resounding YES
(based on fundies, my projection of future earnings, chart, "M", etc.)
then I don't buy it. That simple. Ideally for me, I want to like it
enough to own it for a year or two.
I have actually bought very few LLUR patterns, just a personal quirk
with me, I guess. But you don't want to buy a LLUR on a true b/o,
because that may signal the end of the pattern. Whether investing or
trading, the ideal is to buy as it nudges and bounces off the moving
average line you have determined best describes the lower trend line. At
that point it is likely to be below its 12 month high, usually just set
a few days to a few weeks prior. What you are buying is a trend, and
when the trend changes you must be on guard. A sharp breakout up would
signal a change, and be cause for you to have your finger on the sell
trigger. A break down in price can be sharp, because there is no other
established base nearby to create support on any correction. And holders
of long term tend to get complacent, once they start to panic, it can
quickly turn into an avalanche of sell orders.
I must point out to members that LLUR is not a recognized or documented
pattern. It was contributed as a concept to this group by a former
member (James??) that ultimately left in a huff when some of his other
ideas and practices were not as well accepted by some members (me
particularly). But this was one that did make sense. The chart pattern
is seen more clearly by tilting your head about 30 to 45 degrees to the
left (depending on the angle of the trend). You then see a flat line
base that is ultimately steadily appreciating in price.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net <mailto:stkguru@netside.net>
AIM: TexWorley
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From: david frank <mailto:camelot.homes@charter.net>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski re: patterns besides C&H
tom, you sure do write with clarity. on the flat base patterns, do you
invest for the short or long term. and the LLUR patterns, do you trade
with the trend or wait for B/Os. and also thank you for your weekly list
i believe everyone appreciates it!!! david
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From: Tom <mailto:stkguru@netside.net> Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski re: patterns besides C&H
You did fine, Katherine. I would only disagree with your comment that it
follows the 50DMA. The 50 is the one I have noticed the most
frequently, but that may be because DGO displays it. The best bet is to
use a charting service like BigCharts that allows for variable time
displays with different MA lines, and try a few till you find one that
most closely fits that particular stock.
One of the keys to the "quality" of a LLUR (after it already
demonstrates solid CANSLIM criteria for growth, RS, EPS, etc) is the
degree of volatility. Less is better.
LLUR patterns can be used for both trading and investing. For trading,
it's critical to accurately identify the upper and lower trend lines as
they represent your short term exit and entry points. For investing,
with a smooth LLUR, you can pick just about any point for entry. Your
exit point is when the LLUR pattern changes, either with a big break out
up or down, or when a down trend crosses the lower trend line.
Hope this helps,
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net <mailto:stkguru@netside.net>
AIM: TexWorley
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From: Katherine <mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net> Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski re: patterns besides C&H
Hi Dave,
The "Encyclopedia of Chart Patterns" is the only one on the shelves just
now. The new book "Trading Strategies" I believe is due any time. I have
pre-ordered it, but who knows if it'll be any good!
LLUR is a list term which stands for "Lower Left Upper Right." At least,
so far, it's not in any TA book. Tom will answer this question a little
differently, but I see it as a stock in a long ascent which hugs the
50dMA very closely in a well defined trading range. I believe Tom says
that it lasts a year or so. WON uses a term called "ascending base" that
is similar, but shorter lived than the LLUR. When Tom posts this
evening, I'm sure he'll explain further.
Katherine
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski re: patterns besides C&H
Katherine et al,
Which of the two Bulkowski books is best? I can't find them at the
local
B&N and am going to order from Amazon.
By the way, I hate to ask, but what is LLUR? It's the one acronym
that's
escaping me!
Dave
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>One of the oldest =
stock books out=20
there talks about this pattern.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Nicholas =
Darvas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I believe it was =
called, " How I=20
made <SPAN class=3D600123418-09012002>$</SPAN>2 million in=20
the <SPAN class=3D600123418-09012002>M</SPAN>arket."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D600123418-09012002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Or=20
"How I made $1 million in the Market." </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D600123418-09012002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It may=20
still be in print.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Call me =
crazy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Play to =
win!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Tom=20
Worley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:45 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Bulkowski =
re:=20
patterns besides C&H<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi David,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks for the kind words, I hope what I post =
helps you=20
and other members.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am an investor, especially now that I have =
little time=20
to watch the markets. Even when I was an active stock broker, I did =
very=20
little short term trading, and then only when the clients wanted to, =
and were=20
suitable. When I consider buying a stock, I always ask myself the =
question,=20
"am I willing to own this stock for at least three months, even if =
it's not=20
making me money?" If the answer is not a resounding YES (based on =
fundies, my=20
projection of future earnings, chart, "M", etc.) then I don't buy it. =
That=20
simple. Ideally for me, I want to like it enough to own it for a year =
or=20
two.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have actually bought very few LLUR =
patterns, just a=20
personal quirk with me, I guess. But you don't want to buy a LLUR on =
a true=20
b/o, because that may signal the end of the pattern. Whether =
investing or=20
trading, the ideal is to buy as it nudges and bounces off the moving =
average=20
line you have determined best describes the lower trend line. At that =
point it=20
is likely to be below its 12 month high, usually just set a few days =
to a few=20
weeks prior. What you are buying is a trend, and when the trend =
changes you=20
must be on guard. A sharp breakout up would signal a change, and be =
cause for=20
you to have your finger on the sell trigger. A break down in price =
can be=20
sharp, because there is no other established base nearby to create =
support on=20
any correction. And holders of long term tend to get complacent, once =
they=20
start to panic, it can quickly turn into an avalanche of sell=20
orders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I must point out to members that LLUR is not =
a=20
recognized or documented pattern. It was contributed as a concept to =
this=20
group by a former member (James??) that ultimately left in a huff =
when some of=20
his other ideas and practices were not as well accepted by some =
members (me=20
particularly). But this was one that did make sense. The chart =
pattern is seen=20
more clearly by tilting your head about 30 to 45 degrees to the left=20
(depending on the angle of the trend). You then see a flat line base =
that is=20
ultimately steadily appreciating in price. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcamelot.homes@charter.net=20
href=3D"mailto:camelot.homes@charter.net">david frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A=
>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 08, =
2002 10:30=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Bulkowski re:=20
patterns besides C&H</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tom, you sure do write with =
clarity. on the=20
flat base patterns, do you invest for the short or long term. and =
the LLUR=20
patterns, do you trade with the trend or wait for B/Os. and also =
thank you=20
for your weekly list i believe everyone appreciates it!!! =
david</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstkguru@netside.net =
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">Tom=20
Worley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A=
>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 08, =
2002 8:57=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Bulkowski re:=20
patterns besides C&H</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You did fine, Katherine. I would only =
disagree with=20
your comment that it follows the 50DMA. The 50 is the one I =
have=20
noticed the most frequently, but that may be because DGO displays =
it. The=20
best bet is to use a charting service like BigCharts that allows =
for=20
variable time displays with different MA lines, and try a few =
till you=20
find one that most closely fits that particular =
stock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>One of the keys to the "quality" of a =
LLUR (after it=20
already demonstrates solid CANSLIM criteria for growth, RS, EPS, =
etc) is=20
the degree of volatility. Less is better. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>LLUR patterns can be used for both =
trading and=20
investing. For trading, it's critical to accurately identify the =
upper and=20
lower trend lines as they represent your short term exit and =
entry points.=20
For investing, with a smooth LLUR, you can pick just about any =
point for=20
entry. Your exit point is when the LLUR pattern changes, either =
with a big=20
break out up or down, or when a down trend crosses the lower =
trend=20
line.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hope this helps,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A=
>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January =
08, 2002=20
6:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Bulkowski=20
re: patterns besides C&H</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The "Encyclopedia of Chart Patterns" is the only one =
on the=20
shelves just now. The new book "Trading Strategies" I believe =
is due any=20
time. I have pre-ordered it, but who knows if it'll be any =
good!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>LLUR is a list term which stands for "Lower Left Upper =
Right." At=20
least, so far, it's not in any TA book. Tom will answer this =
question a=20
little differently, but I see it as a stock in a long ascent =
which hugs=20
the 50dMA very closely in a well defined trading range. I =
believe Tom=20
says that it lasts a year or so. WON uses a term called =
"ascending base"=20
that is similar, but shorter lived than the LLUR. When Tom =
posts this=20
evening, I'm sure he'll explain further.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djdavidstem@msn.com =
href=3D"mailto:jdavidstem@msn.com">J. David=20
Stem</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A=
>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January =
08, 2002=20
5:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Bulkowski=20
re: patterns besides C&H</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Katherine et al,<BR><BR>Which of the two =
Bulkowski=20
books is best? I can't find them at the local =
<BR>B&N and am=20
going to order from Amazon.<BR><BR>By the way, I hate to ask, =
but what=20
is LLUR? It's the one acronym that's <BR>escaping=20
=
me!<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR><BR><BR>_________________________________________=
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