Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA?


From: "Patrick Wahl" <pjwahl@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:15:22 -0700

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Wow, that's some link.  Here is a suggestion on long links, I've only used it once, 
but it seemed to work.

http://www.makeashorterlink.com/index.php

Thanks for the chart.  I'll stick with my interpretation, but I'll add that the handle 
seems a little loose, not ideal.  I would say the breakout fails around 19, a 7 to 8% 
drop in price from the breakout.  I think the pivot point was close to 20.25 or so, I 
tend to discount those intraday spikes, if they occur, and use the close, so that 
would not take the Dec. 4 (or whichever date it was) high into account, just the 
close.  Not sure this is a legitimate approach, just a personal quirk maybe.  Anyway, 
I think that anyone in this stock should stick with it a bit longer.

On 11 Jan 2002 at 15:14, Katherine Malm wrote:

> Just an experiment, but here's a marked chart:
> 
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp?.dir=/CANSLIM&.dnm=ASIA+011102.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp%3f.dir=/CANSLIM%26.dnm=Up%2bDn%2bRatio%2bArticle%2b123101.jpg%26.src=ph
> 
> Katherine
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Patrick Wahl 
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:52 PM
>   Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
> 
> 
>   I think we went around about this subject a few months ago, but I would put a 
>   different interpretation on the chart.  I think the 12/4 spike marked the end of the 
>   right side of the cup, and the choppy sideways movement from that point constitutes 
>   a handle.  So buying on 12/4 was not the proper buy point.
> 
>   The more appropriate buy point would be the day in January where price gapped up 
>   to close at about 20.90 or so.  To me the formation of a handle part way up a cup 
>   doesn't make sense.  Handles form at logical sell points, and the logical sell point is 
>   the resistance formed at the old high - the left side of the cup around end of June, 
>   first of July.  Without a sort of definite point like an old high, any consolidation point 
>   along the way up the right side of the cup can be called a handle.
> 
>   Just my interpretation, I think during the discussion of this point a few months ago I 
>   was in a decided minority (one, maybe).  
> 
>   On 10 Jan 2002 at 23:30, Dave wrote:
> 
>   > In hindsight if I had been watching ASIA on 12/4 I probably would have
>   > bought. If you consider 11/27 to be the start of a short handle, the pivot
>   > would be 17.33 and the stock could have been bought up to 18.20. In this
>   > case, you would still be in the stock.
>   > 
>   > As for now, it's definitely a gamble. Personally I like the month-long
>   > consolidation and the near record volume over the past few days, and think
>   > that if the Nasdaq resumes its rally, there's a good chance ASIA will go
>   > along for the ride.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser
>   > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:51 PM
>   > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > So you only consider cup with handles as true breakouts?  I buy
>   > > cups, cup
>   > > with handles, double bottoms, and flat bases, maybe others.
>   > >
>   > > At 10:44 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote:
>   > > >I'm biased, but I prefer to see it as a high handle beginning
>   > > on 12/6. The
>   > > >volume that day was not so great, and there was no true
>   > > handle, so I don't
>   > > >consider it a true breakout.
>   > > >
>   > > >The handle beginning after that failure is nice and long and
>   > > volume dried
>   > > >up nicely towards the end. The volume on 1/6-1/7 was very high.
>   > > >
>   > > >Only time will tell the true story...
>   > > >
>   > > >> -----Original Message-----
>   > > >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser
>   > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 PM
>   > > >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
>   > > >> I read this one differently.  I see ASIA as a stock with a
>   > > breakout to a
>   > > >> new on 12/6.  (And as a matter of fact, I bot it that day.)
>   > > >> That breakout
>   > > >> became suspect as the stock corrected and closed near its
>   > > low during the
>   > > >> day, and went on to be a failed breakout for anyone buying
>   > > in during the
>   > > >> day.  The action since then is short of the 5 weeks minimum to
>   > > >> define a new
>   > > >> base, and is confusing in light of the new high it set.. I'm
>   > > >> not sure where
>   > > >> I would put a pivot on this one.  The volume was fabulous for 2
>   > > >> days, but
>   > > >> has remained almost as high for the last 2 day pullback, so I
>   > > >> would be very
>   > > >> cautious.
>   > > >>
>   > > >> At 04:58 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote:
>   > > >> >Hi,
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Just curious on comment about ASIA.  Last few days it looked
>   > > >> to be breaking
>   > > >> >out of a nice chart formation.  Alas, it seems to be
>   > > breaking down or
>   > > >> >allowing for another re-entry point.  Any thoughts?
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Is this stock considered Canslim "worthy" even though it has
>   > > >> seen higher
>   > > >> >days (ie. not breaking to new highs)?
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Thanks,
>   > > >> >Erik
>   > > >> >PS. Forgive me if this has been the topic of recent
>   > > >> discussion. I just moved
>   > > >> >and missed the last week of my Canslim Group emails.
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >----- Original Message -----
>   > > >> >From: "Mike Hofmann" <sfmcanslim@hotmail.com>
>   > > >> >To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>   > > >> >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:08 PM
>   > > >> >Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >> ... and still more than you really wanted to know about "kudos":
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> From a really cool site called "Take Our Word For It"
>   > > >> >> (http://www.takeourword.com/):
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> "Kudos is simply Greek for "praise".  It is thought to
>   > > have entered
>   > > >> >English
>   > > >> >> as university slang.  By 1799 we have a back-formed verb
>   > > kudize "to
>   > > >> >praise",
>   > > >> >> so kudos itself was probably in use prior to that, though
>   > > >> the first known
>   > > >> >> recorded use of kudos comes from 1831.  Thereafter we find
>   > > >> it used by the
>   > > >> >> likes of Disraeli and Darwin.  Darwin wrote, in one of his
>   > > >> letters: "Lyell
>   > > >> >> has read about half of the volume in clean sheets, and gives
>   > > >> me very great
>   > > >> >> kudos."
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> Pronunciation in Britain is "cue-doss" while in America it
>   > > >> is "koo-doze".
>   > > >> >> As with many Greek words, -os indicates a singular noun.
>   > > Many people
>   > > >> >assume
>   > > >> >> kudos is the  plural form, with the singular being a
>   > > kudo.  They are
>   > > >> >wrong.
>   > > >> >> Just wrong.
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> There was once a computer operating system called QDOS.  Was
>   > > >> it named by a
>   > > >> >> Brit, so that it sounded like kudos, or is that simply a
>   > > >> coincidence?"
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> ... and there you have it.
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >> >> From: "Warren Keuffel" <wkeuffel@xmission.com>
>   > > >> >> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>   > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:23 PM
>   > > >> >> Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> > Jumping in here for Mike -- "Kudos" basically means
>   > > >> "Congratulations".
>   > > >> >> >  However <ahem> I was curious about the etymology of the word so
>   > > >> >> > consulted my American Heritage dictionary which defines it
>   > > >> as  "Acclaim
>   > > >> >> > or prestige as a result of achievement or position." But
>   > > >> no guidance on
>   > > >> >> > etymology, darn it.  More than you wanted to know, right? <g>
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > Warren
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > Andreas Himmelreich wrote:
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > >Sorry to ask Mike, what means Kudos?
>   > > >> >> > >
>   > > >> >> > >
>   > > >> >> > >>-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>   > > >> >> > >>Von: Mike Gibbons [SMTP:webmaster@cwhcharts.com]
>   > > >> >> > >>Gesendet am: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:08 PM
>   > > >> >> > >>An: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Kudos to you, you should be feeling pleased this morning
>   > > >> and justly
>   > > >> >so.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Aloha,
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Mike Gibbons
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>-----Original Message-----
>   > > >> >> > >>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave
>   > > >> >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:29 AM
>   > > >> >> > >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>True, the handle was a bit sloppy but for the most part
>   > > >> volume in the
>   > > >> >> > >>handle was below normal. It also made a pretty nice ascending
>   > > >> >triangle.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>As for the action at the end of the day, I think you're
>   > > >> reading too
>   > > >> >much
>   > > >> >> > >>into it. The stock made a tremendous surge on volume in
>   > > >> the last half
>   > > >> >> hour
>   > > >> >> > >>of trading. It then pulled back on lower volume but
>   > > >> didn't undercut
>   > > >> >that
>   > > >> >> > >>"intraday breakout point". It then found some new buyers
>   > > >> at the very
>   > > >> >end
>   > > >> >> > >>of the session.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>You can find flaws in any chart formation. I've
>   > > missed many huge
>   > > >> >winners
>   > > >> >> > >>by refusing to buy what I perceived as a flawed handle,
>   > > >> or by putting
>   > > >> >> too
>   > > >> >> > >>much weight on intraday analysis. Even IBD will go on to
>   > > >> call "perfect
>   > > >> >> > >>cup-handle breakouts" on stocks that have somewhat
>   > > questionable
>   > > >> >> > >>formations. I won't be surprised to see DFXI mentioned
>   > > >> tomorrow as a
>   > > >> >> good
>   > > >> >> > >>example.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Of course hindsight is 20/20. Nevertheless I'm glad I
>   > > >> bought yesterday
>   > > >> >> :)
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>Yes it did but fell back below it's high of the day. Also,
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>action in the
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>handle has been sloppy - one normally hopes to see price
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>pullback on falling
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>volume but in fact it's made a couple of attempts to BO on
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>above average
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>volume since forming the pivot on 12/10. I wouldn't
>   > > >> rush in with an
>   > > >> >> > >>>>overnight order!
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>Mike Gibbons
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
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