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That makes me feel better. I figured I was missing something before.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction/EFTs
Sorry, that was a typo...It should have read 3/21/00 and should read =
(465 days). Thanks for pointing that out.
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gyorgy Veszpremi=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction/EFTs
Actually the bull market top was in March of 2000.=20
Katherine Malm wrote:=20
Here's a good way to look at the relative performance of the =
markets since key dates: I like to see these in bar chart view, but you =
can use line charts as well, as both are available: Look at comparisons =
from key dates to Friday's close (1/11/02): Bull market top: 3/21/2001 =
(202 days)Latest market peak: 5/21/2001 (160 days)Follow-thru day: =
9/28/2001 (73 days) This will give you a comparison between Russell 2000 =
(small cap), MidCap, Large Cap, Naz100 (large cap tech), Dow and total =
market =
proxies:http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWM,MDY,QQQ,DIA,IYY=
There is a bar at the bottom of the chart that you can stretch to the =
days right and left that you want to consider once the chart is built. =
Roll your cursor over the chart and the key information for each index =
will pop up. This will give you a comparison between styles Sm Cap =
Growth, Mid Cap Growth, Lg Cap Growth,Sm Cap Val, Mid Cap Val, Lg Cap =
Val. Again, run these from the key date until today and you will be able =
to make your own conclusions about =
growth/value.http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IJT,IJK,IVW,IJ=
S,IJJ,IVE For a more general comparison between growth, value, total =
market, try:http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWZ,IWW,IYY =
Katherine=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction/EFTs
Thanks for your response, Andreas. I think I see what you are =
saying.=20
I invested in a SmallCap EFT recently, and was wondering whether =
I should=20
have!=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Andreas Himmelreich" <judgejimmy@web.de>=20
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:27 PM=20
Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] market direction=20
=20
: You do not have to buy stocks with high PEs. Just go into =
value and growth=20
and=20
: let the BOs of ultra High PE stocks fail.=20
:=20
: David Ryan says in Market Wizards that the PE (or the Value) =
is important=20
(even Won does not say it) for=20
: the probabillity of a good breakout.=20
:=20
: I do belive that the market right now differenciates, its not =
a nutty bull=20
market like in the 90s where=20
: everything went up, no matter its fundamentals (in some stages =
of the bull=20
market).=20
:=20
: But the market is not so bad, that it sends down all stocks, =
it=20
differenciates, thats all...=20
:=20
: I do actually not care about the market direction too much. =
The only=20
question that is interesting:=20
: Is there an area which is profitable? (so far only on the long =
side) There=20
where 100000s of long chances even in 2000 and 2001.=20
:=20
: Are there Industry Groups that set up a bull market for its =
member stocks?=20
If yes, money is around the corner. Pick it up and ride it.=20
: Just look at stuff like TARO, MDCI, AHMH, BZH in 2001...=20
:=20
: December was pretty much flat on the Indexes, but it was a =
great month for=20
a lot of canslim stocks.=20
:=20
: I acutally would like it if the Nasdaq would be still on 2000 =
Points at=20
the end of the year, as long=20
: fundamentally sound stocks go up and grap goes down.=20
:=20
: The only moment you have to be aware of is the moment gets so =
bad, that=20
nothing works, every Industry Group=20
: goes down pricewise, everything rolls over, no matter how good =
the=20
fundamentals of the stocks. Then and only then=20
: it is time to get flat. In 2001 that was from August to the =
beginning of=20
October.=20
:=20
: Sorry to be so opinionated.=20
:=20
: Andreas=20
:=20
:=20
: > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----=20
: > Von: rolf hertenstein [SMTP:rolfh@mindspring.com]=20
: > Gesendet am: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:54 PM=20
: > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
: > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction=20
: >=20
: > I'm still concerned about the overall market valuation, =
which remains=20
high.=20
: > Yes, as earnings improve, market P/Es should lower, assuming =
prices=20
: > don't accelerate faster than earnings improve.=20
: >=20
: > Even though WON gives little credence to P/Es, I'm adding a =
P=20
: > (CANSLIMP ?) for the time being. I think many investors =
will be spooked=20
: > by high P/Es (e.g., KKD) and tend towards solid companies =
with=20
relatively=20
: > low P/Es. Just one new investor's opinion.=20
: >=20
: > Rolf=20
: >=20
: > ----- Original Message -----=20
: > From: "Dan Forant" <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>=20
: > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>=20
: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:31 AM=20
: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction=20
: >=20
: >=20
: > > I have been saying all along this is going to be a =
sloooooooowwwww,=20
: > > recovery. Well into the year. All we have to do is *read* =
the news. I=20
: > listen=20
: > > to a local analyst here named Larry King, he's with Smith =
Barney. A=20
few=20
: > > weeks ago he was calling for a quick market return. Just =
Friday he=20
changed=20
: > > course and now calls for growth but very slow. Analysts =
jobs from=20
: > brokerage=20
: > > houses are to soften the tone of bad news. They can even =
make it sound=20
: > good.=20
: > > Sure there are stocks out there that the savvy trader may =
pick, but on=20
: > > average not. It takes months to years for rate and tax =
cuts to filter=20
into=20
: > > the economy.=20
: > >=20
: > > DanF=20
: > >=20
: > >=20
: > > ----- Original Message -----=20
: > > From: "Kent Norman" <kent_norman@yahoo.com>=20
: > > To: "CANSLIM" <canslim@xmission.com>=20
: > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:11 AM=20
: > > Subject: [CANSLIM] market direction=20
: > >=20
: > >=20
: > > > Many "experts" are expecting the market to follow=20
: > > > tradition and rise in January and go flat to down for=20
: > > > a few months. Do you think this weeks 5 down days are=20
: > > > meaningful?=20
: > > >=20
: > > > I know WON says we don't need to be concerned with=20
: > > > where the market is heading, just where it is.=20
: > > >=20
: > > > So where is it? Is the party over? Should we all get=20
: > > > out of the pool?=20
: > > >=20
: > > > Kent Norman=20
: > > >=20
: > > >=20
: > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
: > > > Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.=20
: > > >=20
: > > > __________________________________________________=20
: > > > Do You Yahoo!?=20
: > > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!=20
: > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/=20
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: > > > -=20
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: > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20
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: > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20
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: >=20
: > -=20
: > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20
: > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That makes me feel better. I figured I was missing =
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<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
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Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 15, 2002 =
10:03=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] market=20
direction/EFTs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sorry, that was a typo...It should have read 3/21/00 and should =
read (465=20
days). Thanks for pointing that out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DGyorgyV@rcmachine.com =
href=3D"mailto:GyorgyV@rcmachine.com">Gyorgy=20
Veszpremi</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 15, =
2002 9:01=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] market =
direction/EFTs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Actually the bull market top was in March of 2000.=20
<P>Katherine Malm wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">
<STYLE></STYLE>
Here's a good way to look at the relative performance of the =
markets since=20
key dates: I like to see these in bar chart view, but you can =
use=20
line charts as well, as both are available: Look at =
comparisons from=20
key dates to Friday's close (1/11/02): Bull market top: =
3/21/2001=20
(202 days)Latest market peak: 5/21/2001 (160 days)Follow-thru day: =
9/28/2001 (73 days) This will give you a comparison between =
Russell=20
2000 (small cap), MidCap, Large Cap, Naz100 (large cap tech), Dow =
and=20
total market proxies:<A=20
=
href=3D"http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWM,MDY,QQQ,DIA,IYY=
">http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWM,MDY,QQQ,DIA,IYY</A>Th=
ere=20
is a bar at the bottom of the chart that you can stretch to the =
days right=20
and left that you want to consider once the chart is built. Roll =
your=20
cursor over the chart and the key information for each index will =
pop=20
up. This will give you a comparison between styles Sm Cap =
Growth, Mid=20
Cap Growth, Lg Cap Growth,Sm Cap Val, Mid Cap Val, Lg Cap Val. =
Again, run=20
these from the key date until today and you will be able to make =
your own=20
conclusions about growth/value.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IJT,IJK,IVW,IJS,IJJ=
,IVE">http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IJT,IJK,IVW,IJS,IJJ,I=
VE</A> For=20
a more general comparison between growth, value, total market, =
try:<A=20
=
href=3D"http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWZ,IWW,IYY">http:/=
/stockcharts.com/webcgi/wb.exe?Perf.web+IWZ,IWW,IYY</A> Katherine=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
- -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dannholly@mediaone.net=20
href=3D"mailto:annholly@mediaone.net">Ann</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 13, =
2002=20
12:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
market=20
direction/EFTs</DIV> Thanks for your response, Andreas. I =
think I=20
see what you are saying. <BR>I invested in a SmallCap EFT =
recently, and=20
was wondering whether I should <BR>have! <BR>----- Original =
Message=20
----- <BR>From: "Andreas Himmelreich" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:judgejimmy@web.de">judgejimmy@web.de</A>> =
<BR>To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
>=20
<BR>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:27 PM <BR>Subject: AW: =
[CANSLIM]=20
market direction <BR> =20
<P>: You do not have to buy stocks with high PEs. Just go into =
value and=20
growth <BR>and <BR>: let the BOs of ultra High PE stocks fail. =
<BR>:=20
<BR>: David Ryan says in Market Wizards that the PE (or the =
Value) is=20
important <BR>(even Won does not say it) for <BR>: the =
probabillity of a=20
good breakout. <BR>: <BR>: I do belive that the market right now =
differenciates, its not a nutty bull <BR>market like in the 90s =
where=20
<BR>: everything went up, no matter its fundamentals (in some =
stages of=20
the bull <BR>market). <BR>: <BR>: But the market is not so bad, =
that it=20
sends down all stocks, it <BR>differenciates, thats all... <BR>: =
<BR>: I=20
do actually not care about the market direction too much. The =
only=20
<BR>question that is interesting: <BR>: Is there an area which =
is=20
profitable? (so far only on the long side) There <BR>where =
100000s of=20
long chances even in 2000 and 2001. <BR>: <BR>: Are there =
Industry=20
Groups that set up a bull market for its member stocks? <BR>If =
yes,=20
money is around the corner. Pick it up and ride it. <BR>: Just =
look at=20
stuff like TARO, MDCI, AHMH, BZH in 2001... <BR>: <BR>: December =
was=20
pretty much flat on the Indexes, but it was a great month for =
<BR>a lot=20
of canslim stocks. <BR>: <BR>: I acutally would like it if the =
Nasdaq=20
would be still on 2000 Points at <BR>the end of the year, as =
long <BR>:=20
fundamentally sound stocks go up and grap goes down. <BR>: <BR>: =
The=20
only moment you have to be aware of is the moment gets so bad, =
that=20
<BR>nothing works, every Industry Group <BR>: goes down =
pricewise,=20
everything rolls over, no matter how good the <BR>fundamentals =
of the=20
stocks. Then and only then <BR>: it is time to get flat. In 2001 =
that=20
was from August to the beginning of <BR>October. <BR>: <BR>: =
Sorry to be=20
so opinionated. <BR>: <BR>: Andreas <BR>: <BR>: <BR>: >=20
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- <BR>: > Von: rolf =
hertenstein=20
[SMTP:rolfh@mindspring.com] <BR>: > Gesendet am: Sunday, =
January 13,=20
2002 5:54 PM <BR>: > An: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
<BR>: > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] market direction <BR>: > =
<BR>: >=20
I'm still concerned about the overall market valuation, which =
remains=20
<BR>high. <BR>: > Yes, as earnings improve, market P/Es =
should lower,=20
assuming prices <BR>: > don't accelerate faster than earnings =
improve. <BR>: > <BR>: > Even though WON gives little =
credence to=20
P/Es, I'm adding a P <BR>: > (CANSLIMP ?) for the time =
being. I=20
think many investors will be spooked <BR>: > by high P/Es =
(e.g., KKD)=20
and tend towards solid companies with <BR>relatively <BR>: > =
low=20
P/Es. Just one new investor's opinion. <BR>: > <BR>: =
> =20
Rolf <BR>: > <BR>: > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>: =
> From:=20
"Dan Forant" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:dforant1@nycap.rr.com">dforant1@nycap.rr.com</A>> =
<BR>:=20
> To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
>=20
<BR>: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:31 AM <BR>: > =
Subject:=20
Re: [CANSLIM] market direction <BR>: > <BR>: > <BR>: > =
> I=20
have been saying all along this is going to be a =
sloooooooowwwww, <BR>:=20
> > recovery. Well into the year. All we have to do is =
*read* the=20
news. I <BR>: > listen <BR>: > > to a local analyst =
here named=20
Larry King, he's with Smith Barney. A <BR>few <BR>: > > =
weeks ago=20
he was calling for a quick market return. Just Friday he =
<BR>changed=20
<BR>: > > course and now calls for growth but very slow. =
Analysts=20
jobs from <BR>: > brokerage <BR>: > > houses are to =
soften the=20
tone of bad news. They can even make it sound <BR>: > good. =
<BR>:=20
> > Sure there are stocks out there that the savvy trader =
may=20
pick, but on <BR>: > > average not. It takes months to =
years for=20
rate and tax cuts to filter <BR>into <BR>: > > the =
economy. <BR>:=20
> > <BR>: > > DanF <BR>: > > <BR>: > > =
<BR>:=20
> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>: > > From: =
"Kent=20
Norman" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kent_norman@yahoo.com">kent_norman@yahoo.com</A>> =
<BR>:=20
> > To: "CANSLIM" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@xmission.com">canslim@xmission.com</A>> <BR>:=20
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:11 AM <BR>: > =
>=20
Subject: [CANSLIM] market direction <BR>: > > <BR>: > =
>=20
<BR>: > > > Many "experts" are expecting the market to =
follow=20
<BR>: > > > tradition and rise in January and go flat =
to down=20
for <BR>: > > > a few months. Do you think this weeks 5 =
down=20
days are <BR>: > > > meaningful? <BR>: > > > =
<BR>:=20
> > > I know WON says we don't need to be concerned =
with <BR>:=20
> > > where the market is heading, just where it is. =
<BR>: >=20
> > <BR>: > > > So where is it? Is the party =
over? Should=20
we all get <BR>: > > > out of the pool? <BR>: > > =
>=20
<BR>: > > > Kent Norman <BR>: > > > <BR>: > =
>=20
> <BR>: > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <BR>: > > > =
Opportunities=20
always look bigger going than coming. <BR>: > > > <BR>: =
>=20
> > __________________________________________________ =
<BR>: >=20
> > Do You Yahoo!? <BR>: > > > Send FREE video =
emails in=20
Yahoo! Mail! <BR>: > > > <A=20
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