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Katherine... O boy what interview with non- ceo/cfo,s onDYII Maybe they
were short. Classic. Thx  for info. Best Joe M

Katherine Malm wrote:

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> Herb on TheStreet
> Dynacq's Doubtful Accounts Send Distress Signals
> By Herb Greenberg
> Senior Columnist
>
> 01/16/2002 02:46 PM EST
> URL:
> http://www.thestreet.com/p/rmoney/herbonthestreet-rm/10006859.html
>
> When it comes to red flags, so many are flying over Dynacq
> International (DYII:Nasdaq - news - commentary) that it's hard to
> count. Dynacq owns and manages an acute care hospital in Pasadena,
> Texas, where it manages three physician practices. It also operates
> two outpatient surgical facilities and a medical office complex.
> The only analyst covering the company, Gary Weber of Taglich Brothers,
> rates it a buy. That Dynacq pays Taglich for that coverage is reason
> enough to warrant caution: The disclosure is right there in the fine
> print of the analyst's report.
> But in recent quarters there have been numerous other issues that, by
> themselves, would warrant a mention here. For example, Dynacq's
> allowance for doubtful accounts -- something every CFO should know
> like the back of his or her hand -- has been hovering around the 1%
> range, which is far below the level used by such rivals as HCA
> (HCA:NYSE - news - commentary) , Tenet (THC:NYSE - news - commentary)
> and Universal (UHS:NYSE - news - commentary) . Yet when asked about
> the amount of the allowance on the company's bizarre conference call
> Tuesday, CFO Philip Chan couldn't answer the question.
> The dialogue is worth the price of admission.
>
>      Caller: Could you give us where allowance for doubtful
>      accounts stands right now, please?
>      CFO: Are you asking the provision for uncollectable accounts
>      of $41,673 on the income statement? Or are you talking
>      about...
>      Caller: I'm talking about the reserve -- the allowance for
>      doubtful accounts that would be against your gross
>      receivables so that you have -- you report net accounts
>      receivable. What is your allowance for doubtful accounts?
>      What's your reserve that's been built up over time?
>      CFO: The way we present our [unintelligible] and net revenue
>      and that is the gross revenue minus, I believe, what you are
>      talking about the reserve for uncollectible portion from
>      insurance company or third party.
>      Caller: Uh, either one. Let me, maybe if I can contrast it
>      where it was in the 10-K. ... Anyway, it's a standard
>      nomenclature. It's called allowance for doubtful accounts.
>      ... It was $193,000 in August. Do you know what it is now,
>      please?
>      CFO: Let me turn my page on the same page that you are
>      saying ... a minute.
>      Caller: All right, let me -- maybe I can go on while he's
>      searching that. If I could ask another question here...
>
> And so it was! The entire call was pretty much like that.
> Take the same caller's question about the company's revenue per
> hospital bed, which appears to be much higher than the average for the
> acute care hospital industry.
>
>      Caller: You have 37 beds and in the hospital you had
>      revenues in here of just under $9 million, and that equates
>      somewhere to about a quarter-million dollars revenue per
>      bed. That is substantially higher than industry averages.
>      Why is that?
>      CEO Chiu Chan (who, according to the 10-K is not related to
>      the CFO): We are not general acute hospital. We are surgical
>      hospital.
>
> Not an acute care hospital?! The company itself says in its 10-K,
> filed Nov. 27, that it is engaged in "the ownership and management of
> an acute care hospital."
> The caller continues, saying that revenue at Dynacq's clinic and
> outpatient surgical center, which had been a key driver of Dynacq's
> growth, was "down about 7% year over year. At the same time, the
> hospital revenues just skyrocketed here. They were up 160% or
> something."
>
>      CEO Chan: Well, as you can see, we are aligning our company
>      towards -- we are now saying that Dynacq is a surgical
>      hospital company. We are a surgical hospital company. That
>      is the direction which we are going. So, right now all the
>      focus is, the management focus is a surgical hospital
>      company.
>
> Chan later added: "The reason why we are trying to do this is because
> we listen to a lot of the research analysts or those brokers about a
> single focus company enhance our shareholder value a lot better than
> getting more -- all this kind of other business. ... So, the other
> thing which is not surgical hospital business is going to go gradually
> -- scale down."
> But last March Dynacq purchased a second ambulatory or outpatient
> surgery center. Now it's saying that that part of the business will no
> longer be a focus?!
> The conference call continued. A different caller noted that the
> company had "very impressive" 12% revenue growth in the fourth quarter
> from the third quarter. "But it appears net income may have declined
> slightly quarter to quarter. Is that the case?"
>
>      CEO: Net income? No. I don't think so. Net income actually
>      go up.
>      Caller No. 2: I backed out that the fourth quarter net
>      income was about $3,490,000. ... I have this quarter at
>      about $3,378,000. So, maybe a 3% or so decline in net
>      income, and you had 12% sequential revenue growth. I'm just
>      curious where...
>
> The CEO then started talking about how earnings per share of 23 cents
> were higher than the prior quarter's 22 cents, then the CFO injected:
>
>      CFO: Your math ... could be very well correct. The thing
>      that may confuse a little bit during the fourth quarter is
>      where we have the annual audit come in and make all the
>      adjustments. There's no significant adjustment that we made.
>      You may be able to look at the income tax provision for the
>      fourth quarter, which kind of declined pretty significantly
>      from the periods before. That is the time that the auditor
>      come in and look our annual income tax situation.
>      Caller No. 2: OK ... the real question I'm driving at ... it
>      appears that your profit margins came down quite a bit from
>      quarter to quarter [net profit margin was down nearly 4
>      percentage points from the fourth quarter to the first
>      quarter] ... and I'm just wondering if you could comment a
>      little bit on why the profit margins ... contracted, and
>      again, is this something we should expect going forward?
>      CEO: If you look at the number for the whole fiscal year
>      last year, our profit margin is ... 25.3. Therefore our net
>      margin is 24.7 or 24.6. So we are talking about a decimal
>      point percentage difference, and I don't think it's
>      something of anybody's concern.
>
> Year over year, maybe, but quarter to quarter it's nearly 4 percentage
> points. That's certainly somebody's concern. But I digress, as the
> call returned to the subject of the allowance for doubtful accounts.
>
>      Caller No. 1: I wondered if you'd had a chance to find that
>      answer on the allowance for doubtful accounts on accounts
>      receivable?
>      CFO: I tried to find out the real question -- all on income
>      statement, the only provision for uncollectible account is
>      -- for this quarter is $41,670 ... before talk about
>      $137,000 -- I don't know what number you have been looking
>      at.
>      Caller No. 1: $193,000 is what it was in August.
>      CFO: In August $193,000?
>      Caller No. 1: August of '01.
>      CFO: Hold on.
>
> He never did answer the question.
> Finally, back to the question of paying a brokerage firm to cover the
> company, another caller said:
>
>      Caller No. 3: I'm showing Gary Weber of Taglich Brothers is
>      the only analyst following the company. On the footer of
>      their report it says his firm was paid by Dynacq to write
>      it. Are there any other nonaffiliated research reports for
>      analyst coverage?
>      CEO: Taglich Brothers, yes, we paid for them for the analyst
>      report to be written in the beginning. Now, what we are
>      paying them is a quarterly fee to actually have that report
>      available at their Web site. So we don't pay them to write
>      about us anymore, and we do not have any other analysts
>      following this company yet.
>      Caller No. 3: How much do you pay them?
>      CFO: $1,250 a month.
>
> Isn't that a conflict? Not according to Bob Taglich of Taglich
> Brothers. He told me: "They are independent reports. In the micro-cap
> market, unless you have potential million-dollar fees coming in, it's
> very difficult for a brokerage firm to cover small firms for
> research."
> Doesn't that mean they're buying an opinion?
> "They're not buying an opinion," Taglich says. "We have some stocks
> that aren't rated." He adds that there is a weeding-out process on
> companies Taglich agrees to cover, and notes that whether it's hard
> cash or through investment banking business, companies pay for
> coverage "one way or the other ... at least we properly disclose it."
> He may have a point there. Not that it's the right thing to do --
> disclosed or otherwise.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Herb Greenberg writes daily for TheStreet.com. In keeping with TSC's
> editorial policy, he doesn't own or short individual stocks, though he
> owns stock in TheStreet.com. He also doesn't invest in hedge funds or
> other private investment partnerships. He welcomes your feedback and
> invites you to send any to Herb Greenberg. Greenberg also writes a
> monthly column for Fortune.
> Brian Harris and Mark Martinez assisted with the reporting of this
> column.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Andreas Himmelreich
>      To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
>      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:00 PM
>      Subject: [CANSLIM] Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:04:50 +0100
>       Pretty strange what is happening with DYII.
>
>      Stock has good fundamentals, yet its down 30%? Industry
>      Group kind of OK as well, even winning Relative Strength.
>
>      Strange.
>
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Katherine... O boy what interview with non- ceo/cfo,s onDYII Maybe they
were short. Classic. Thx&nbsp; for info. Best Joe M
<p>Katherine Malm wrote:
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<p><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=-2>Herb
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<br><b><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Dynacq's
Doubtful Accounts Send Distress Signals</font></font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>By
<a href="mailto:hgreenberg@thestreet.com">Herb Greenberg</a></font></font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>Senior
Columnist</font></font></font></b>
<p><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=-2>01/16/2002
02:46 PM EST</font></font></font>
<br><font face="arial, helvetica"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>URL:
<a href="http://www.thestreet.com/p/rmoney/herbonthestreet-rm/10006859.html">http://www.thestreet.com/p/rmoney/herbonthestreet-rm/10006859.html</a></font></font></font>
<p>When it comes to red flags, so many are flying over <b>Dynacq International</b>
(DYII:Nasdaq - news - commentary) that it's hard to count. Dynacq owns
and manages an acute care hospital in Pasadena, Texas, where it manages
three physician practices. It also operates two outpatient surgical facilities
and a medical office complex.
<br>The only analyst covering the company, Gary Weber of Taglich Brothers,
rates it a buy. That Dynacq pays Taglich for that coverage is reason enough
to warrant caution: The disclosure is right there in the fine print of
the analyst's report.&nbsp;<RELATED></RELATED>
<br>But in recent quarters there have been numerous other issues that,
by themselves, would warrant a mention here. For example, Dynacq's allowance
for doubtful accounts -- something every CFO should know like the back
of his or her hand -- has been hovering around the 1% range, which is <i>far</i>
below the level used by such rivals as <b>HCA</b> (HCA:NYSE - news - commentary)
, <b>Tenet</b> (THC:NYSE - news - commentary) and <b>Universal</b> (UHS:NYSE
- - news - commentary) . Yet when asked about the amount of the allowance
on the company's bizarre conference call Tuesday, CFO Philip Chan couldn't
answer the question.
<br>The dialogue is worth the price of admission.
<blockquote><b>Caller:</b> Could you give us where allowance for doubtful
accounts stands right now, please?
<br><b>CFO:</b> Are you asking the provision for uncollectable accounts
of $41,673 on the income statement? Or are you talking about...
<br><b>Caller:</b> I'm talking about the reserve -- the allowance for doubtful
accounts that would be against your gross receivables so that you have
- -- you report net accounts receivable. What is your allowance for doubtful
accounts? What's your reserve that's been built up over time?
<br><b>CFO:</b> The way we present our [unintelligible] and net revenue
and that is the gross revenue minus, I believe, what you are talking about
the reserve for uncollectible portion from insurance company or third party.
<br><b>Caller:</b> Uh, either one. Let me, maybe if I can contrast it where
it was in the 10-K. ... Anyway, it's a standard nomenclature. It's called
allowance for doubtful accounts. ... It was $193,000 in August. Do you
know what it is now, please?
<br><b>CFO:</b> Let me turn my page on the same page that you are saying
... a minute.
<br><b>Caller:</b> All right, let me -- maybe I can go on while he's searching
that. If I could ask another question here...</blockquote>
And so it was! The entire call was pretty much like that.
<br>Take the same caller's question about the company's revenue per hospital
bed, which appears to be much higher than the average for the acute care
hospital industry.
<blockquote><b>Caller:</b> You have 37 beds and in the hospital you had
revenues in here of just under $9 million, and that equates somewhere to
about a quarter-million dollars revenue per bed. That is substantially
higher than industry averages. Why is that?
<br><b>CEO Chiu Chan </b>(who, according to the 10-K is <i>not</i> related
to the CFO): We are not general acute hospital. We are surgical hospital.</blockquote>
Not an acute care hospital?! The company itself says in its 10-K, filed
Nov. 27, that it is engaged in "the ownership and management of an acute
care hospital."
<br>The caller continues, saying that revenue at Dynacq's clinic and outpatient
surgical center, which had been a key driver of Dynacq's growth, was "down
about 7% year over year. At the same time, the hospital revenues just skyrocketed
here. They were up 160% or something."
<blockquote><b>CEO Chan:</b> Well, as you can see, we are aligning our
company towards -- we are now saying that Dynacq is a surgical hospital
company. We are a surgical hospital company. That is the direction which
we are going. So, right now all the focus is, the management focus is a
surgical hospital company.</blockquote>
Chan later added: "The reason why we are trying to do this is because we
listen to a lot of the research analysts or those brokers about a single
focus company enhance our shareholder value a lot better than getting more
- -- all this kind of other business. ... So, the other thing which is not
surgical hospital business is going to go gradually -- scale down."
<br>But last March Dynacq purchased a second ambulatory or outpatient surgery
center. Now it's saying that <i>that</i> part of the business will no longer
be a focus?!
<br>The conference call continued. A different caller noted that the company
had "very impressive" 12% revenue growth in the fourth quarter from the
third quarter. "But it appears net income may have declined slightly quarter
to quarter. Is that the case?"
<blockquote><b>CEO:</b> Net income? No. I don't think so. Net income actually
go up.
<br><b>Caller No. 2:</b> I backed out that the fourth quarter net income
was about $3,490,000. ... I have this quarter at about $3,378,000. So,
maybe a 3% or so decline in net income, and you had 12% sequential revenue
growth. I'm just curious where...</blockquote>
The CEO then started talking about how earnings per share of 23 cents were
higher than the prior quarter's 22 cents, then the CFO injected:
<blockquote><b>CFO:</b> Your math ... could be very well correct. The thing
that may confuse a little bit during the fourth quarter is where we have
the annual audit come in and make all the adjustments. There's no significant
adjustment that we made. You may be able to look at the income tax provision
for the fourth quarter, which kind of declined pretty significantly from
the periods before. That is the time that the auditor come in and look
our annual income tax situation.
<br><b>Caller No. 2:</b> OK ... the real question I'm driving at ... it
appears that your profit margins came down quite a bit from quarter to
quarter [net profit margin was down nearly 4 percentage points from the
fourth quarter to the first quarter] ... and I'm just wondering if you
could comment a little bit on why the profit margins ... contracted, and
again, is this something we should expect going forward?
<br><b>CEO:</b> If you look at the number for the whole fiscal year last
year, our profit margin is ... 25.3. Therefore our net margin is 24.7 or
24.6. So we are talking about a decimal point percentage difference, and
I don't think it's something of anybody's concern.</blockquote>
Year over year, maybe, but quarter to quarter it's nearly 4 percentage
points. That's certainly somebody's concern. But I digress, as the call
returned to the subject of the allowance for doubtful accounts.
<blockquote><b>Caller No. 1:</b> I wondered if you'd had a chance to find
that answer on the allowance for doubtful accounts on accounts receivable?
<br><b>CFO:</b> I tried to find out the real question -- all on income
statement, the only provision for uncollectible account is -- for this
quarter is $41,670 ... before talk about $137,000 -- I don't know what
number you have been looking at.
<br><b>Caller No. 1:</b> $193,000 is what it was in August.
<br><b>CFO:</b> In August $193,000?
<br><b>Caller No. 1:</b> August of '01.
<br><b>CFO:</b> Hold on.</blockquote>
He never did answer the question.
<br>Finally, back to the question of paying a brokerage firm to cover the
company, another caller said:
<blockquote><b>Caller No. 3:</b> I'm showing Gary Weber of Taglich Brothers
is the only analyst following the company. On the footer of their report
it says his firm was paid by Dynacq to write it. Are there any other nonaffiliated
research reports for analyst coverage?
<br><b>CEO:</b> Taglich Brothers, yes, we paid for them for the analyst
report to be written in the beginning. Now, what we are paying them is
a quarterly fee to actually have that report available at their Web site.
So we don't pay them to write about us anymore, and we do not have any
other analysts following this company yet.
<br><b>Caller No. 3:</b> How much do you pay them?
<br><b>CFO:</b> $1,250 a month.</blockquote>
Isn't that a conflict? Not according to Bob Taglich of Taglich Brothers.
He told me: "They are independent reports. In the micro-cap market, unless
you have potential million-dollar fees coming in, it's very difficult for
a brokerage firm to cover small firms for research."
<br>Doesn't that mean they're buying an opinion?
<br>"They're not buying an opinion," Taglich says. "We have some stocks
that aren't rated." He adds that there is a weeding-out process on companies
Taglich agrees to cover, and notes that whether it's hard cash or through
investment banking business, companies pay for coverage "one way or the
other ... at least we properly disclose it."
<br>He may have a point there. Not that it's the right thing to do -- disclosed
or otherwise.&nbsp;
<hr noShade SIZE=1><i><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font size=-1>Herb
Greenberg writes daily for TheStreet.com. In keeping with TSC's editorial
policy, he doesn't own or short individual stocks, though he owns stock
in TheStreet.com. He also doesn't invest in hedge funds or other private
investment partnerships. He welcomes your feedback and invites you to send
any to <a href="mailto:hgreenberg@realmoney.com">Herb Greenberg</a>. Greenberg
also writes a monthly column for Fortune.</font></font></i>
<br><i><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font size=-1>Brian Harris
and Mark Martinez assisted with the reporting of this column.&nbsp;</font></font></i>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:'canslim@lists.xmission.com'" title="canslim@lists.xmission.com">'canslim@lists.xmission.com'</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2002
3:00 PM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [CANSLIM] Date: Wed, 16 Jan
2002 22:04:50 +0100</div>
&nbsp;Pretty strange what is happening with DYII.
<p>Stock has good fundamentals, yet its down 30%? Industry Group kind of
OK as well, even winning Relative Strength.
<p>Strange.
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