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Katherine, you know I hate to sound ignorant, but the question not asked =
is the really stupid one.
Do I understand you as saying that Treasury stock is not counted in any =
assessment of earnings per share even tho it remains issued?
What about dividends, voting rights, etc?
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPS
When the company buys back shares and turns them into treasury stock, =
they are considered issued but no longer outstanding. you can look in =
the 10Q to see the number of shares used in computing the EPS. Look in =
the balance sheet section to see a reconciliation of shares issued, =
outstanding, etc.
Here's an example from DOCC's latest 10Q found at =
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1033864/000095013401509538/d92952e=
10-q.txt
Katherine
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<!--StartFragment-->NOTE 3 - NET INCOME PER SHARE
The Company's basic and diluted net income per share are computed in =
accordance
with Statement of Financial Accounting Standards No. 128, "Earnings =
Per Share"
("SFAS 128"). Basic net income per share is computed using the =
weighted average
number of common shares outstanding. Diluted net income per share is =
computed
using the weighted average number of common shares outstanding and the =
assumed
exercise of stock options and warrants (using the treasury stock =
method). The
following is a reconciliation of the shares used in computing basic =
and diluted
net income per share for the periods indicated (in thousands):
<Table>
<Caption>
=
Three months ended
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October 31,
=
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2001 2000
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<S> =
<C> <C>
Shares used in computing basic net income per share =
13,624 14,960
Dilutive effect of stock options and warrants =
753 847
=
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Shares used in computing diluted net income per share =
14,377 15,807
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Gettis=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:58 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPS
when a company buys back shares, does the number of outstanding =
shares decrease? If so, then it is possible for a company to show =
earnings growth due to the fact that there are less shares outstanding. =
Thus the companys earnings are not really growing.
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:52 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] docc
Hi Scott,
The rest of the 41% not owned by management is owned by SFE, an =
"incubator" that has a portfolio of companies in which it maintains a =
substantial portion of the outstanding shares. See =
http://www.safeguard.com/investorfs.html for a list. You see this kind =
of discrepancy in the numbers quite often when a stock is spun off from =
a parent or from an incubator and not all shares are distributed to the =
public in the spin off.
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Gettis=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] docc
dgo list the management ownership as 18%.
however the (1 - float/total share outstanding)* 100 =3D 41% ?=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Katherine, you know I hate to sound ignorant, =
but the=20
question not asked is the really stupid one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do I understand you as saying that Treasury =
stock is not=20
counted in any assessment of earnings per share even tho it remains=20
issued?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What about dividends, voting rights, =
etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 29, 2002 =
12:10=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
EPS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>When the company buys back shares and turns them into treasury =
stock,=20
they are considered issued but no longer outstanding. you can look in =
the 10Q=20
to see the number of shares used in computing the EPS. Look in the =
balance=20
sheet section to see a reconciliation of shares issued, outstanding,=20
etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's an example from DOCC's latest 10Q found at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1033864/000095013401509538=
/d92952e10-q.txt">http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1033864/00009501=
3401509538/d92952e10-q.txt</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</DIV>
<DIV><!--StartFragment-->NOTE 3 - NET INCOME PER =
SHARE<BR><BR>The=20
Company's basic and diluted net income per share are computed in=20
accordance<BR>with Statement of Financial Accounting Standards No. =
128,=20
"Earnings Per Share"<BR>("SFAS 128"). Basic net income per share is =
computed=20
using the weighted average<BR>number of common shares outstanding. =
Diluted net=20
income per share is computed<BR>using the weighted average number of =
common=20
shares outstanding and the assumed<BR>exercise of stock options and =
warrants=20
(using the treasury stock method). The<BR>following is a =
reconciliation of the=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsgettis@ucla.edu href=3D"mailto:sgettis@ucla.edu">Scott =
Gettis</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 28, =
2002 10:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] EPS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D764045604-29012002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>when a company buys back shares, does the number of =
outstanding=20
shares decrease? If so, then it is possible for a company to =
show=20
earnings growth due to the fact that there are less shares=20
outstanding. Thus the companys earnings are not really=20
growing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN =
class=3D764045604-29012002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D764045604-29012002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D764045604-29012002> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</A>=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Katherine=20
Malm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 28, 2002 8:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM]=20
docc<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>Hi Scott,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The rest of the 41% not owned by management is =
owned by=20
SFE, an "incubator" that has a portfolio of companies in =
which it=20
maintains a substantial portion of the outstanding shares. See <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.safeguard.com/investorfs.html">http://www.safeguard.co=
m/investorfs.html</A> for=20
a list. You see this kind of discrepancy in the numbers quite =
often when a=20
stock is spun off from a parent or from an incubator and not all =
shares=20
are distributed to the public in the spin off.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsgettis@ucla.edu =
href=3D"mailto:sgettis@ucla.edu">Scott=20
Gettis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 28, =
2002=20
10:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] =
docc</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>dgo list the management ownership as =
18%.<BR>however=20
the (1 - float/total share outstanding)* 100 =3D 41% ? =
<BR><BR>-<BR>-To=20
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