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Thanks, Katherine. I was going to defer to you anyway, I knew you could =
do a much better job on this than I.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re:Cash Flow
Hi jans,
Just a cautionary note. If you are looking at DGO earnings numbers, =
remember that they are *proforma* earnings. That means that certain one =
time items my be added back to the GAAP earnings. The other thing to be =
careful about is to make sure that you're comparing apples to apples. =
The cash flow figures can be stated in terms of the fiscal year or the =
trailing twelve months. (TTM). Make sure you're looking at cash flow and =
EPS from the same periods.
--Katherine
Here's some definitions and a link to the MIMS financials on Multex =
Investor:
Cash Flow: =
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcompanyinfor=
mation%2Fcacheflow%2Facashflowstd&Ticker=3DMIMS
Earnings: =
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcompanyinfor=
mation%2Fincomestmt%2Faincomestd&Ticker=3DMIMS
Multex Investor Cash Flow Definitions:
Cash Flow Per Share, TTM ($ per share)--This value is the trailing =
twelve month Cash Flow divided by the trailing twelve month Average =
Shares Outstanding. Cash Flow is defined as the sum of Income After =
Taxes minus Preferred Dividends and General Partner Distributions plus =
Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization.
Cash From Financing--The sum of all the individual financing activity =
cash flow line items.
Cash From Investing--The sum of all the individual investing activity =
cash flow line items.
Cash From Operations --The sum of all the individual operating =
activity cash flow line items.=20
Cash Per Share, Quarterly, MRQ ($ per share) --This is the Total Cash =
plus Short Term Investments divided by the Shares Outstanding at the end =
of the most recent fiscal quarter.=20
DGO Cash Flow Definition--CASH FLOW PER SHARE FROM OPERATIONS:
Derived by adding depreciation, depletion and amortization to the =
company's net income and dividing this figure by the shares outstanding. =
Free Cash Flow =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=3D186
This is cash flow from operations minus capital expenditures minus =
cash dividends paid -- at least in the view of some analysts. The truth =
is that opinions differ about what constitutes ""free"" cash flow and =
how -- or whether -- it differs from conventional cash flow. The premise =
behind backing out capital expenditures and dividends is that these are =
optional and therefore should be set aside to see how much income a =
company is really generating. The dividend could always be suspended, =
after all, and even capital intensive firms can usually limp along for =
awhile on reduced capital outlays. The goal is the same as with cash =
flow: to look behind the smoke and mirrors sometimes associated with net =
income.
Cash Flow =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=3D65
Net income minus preferred dividends plus depreciation (as given in =
the income statement). Generally speaking, cash flow is the best measure =
of a company's profits, and is usually calculated by adding depreciation =
and any other non-cash charges to earnings after taxes. Investors look =
to cash flow for several reasons: because firms have accounting leeway =
when it comes to reporting net income; because depreciation charges, =
while substantial in many industries, aren't genuine bills that have to =
be paid; and because cash flow is the key to a company's ability to pay =
dividends, cover debts and so forth. Thus, some analysts focus on the =
ratio of price to cash flow rather than the traditional price/earnings =
(P/E) measure. Cash flow is especially useful in assessing firms in =
capital intensive industries -- cable TV, for instance -- in which huge =
depreciation charges can hide healthy profits.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Spencer48@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re:Cash Flow
Tom: =20
In your view how could cash-flow be less than earnings. I =
thought that=20
cash-flow were earnings minus the non-cash-expense items on the =
income sheet=20
(such as depreciation and goodwill amortization)? =20
Also, could you be specific. I see some companies with =
interesting=20
formations (MIMS for one) whose cash-flow is less than earnings. =
How is it=20
possible to do this? Are the Accounts Receivable so high (ie. =
higher than=20
all the non-cash-expenses added together) that the company doesn't=20
realistically expect to be paid, but the earnings are booked anyway?
jans
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks, Katherine. I was going to defer to you =
anyway, I=20
knew you could do a much better job on this than I.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom Worley<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@netside.net">stkguru@netside.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 13, =
2002 1:23=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Re:Cash =
Flow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi jans,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just a cautionary note. If you are looking at DGO earnings =
numbers,=20
remember that they are *proforma* earnings. That means that certain =
one time=20
items my be added back to the GAAP earnings. The other thing to be =
careful=20
about is to make sure that you're comparing apples to apples. The cash =
flow=20
figures can be stated in terms of the fiscal year or the trailing =
twelve=20
months. (TTM). Make sure you're looking at cash flow and EPS from the =
same=20
periods.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--Katherine</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's some definitions and a link to the MIMS financials on =
Multex=20
Investor:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cash Flow: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcomp=
anyinformation%2Fcacheflow%2Facashflowstd&Ticker=3DMIMS">http://yahoo=
.marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcompanyinformation%2Fcac=
heflow%2Facashflowstd&Ticker=3DMIMS</A></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Earnings: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcomp=
anyinformation%2Fincomestmt%2Faincomestd&Ticker=3DMIMS">http://yahoo.=
marketguide.com/MGI/mg.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcompanyinformation%2Finco=
mestmt%2Faincomestd&Ticker=3DMIMS</A></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff>Multex=20
Investor Cash Flow Definitions</FONT>:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'">Cash=20
Flow Per Share, TTM ($ per share)--</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">This value is the =
trailing twelve=20
month Cash Flow divided by the trailing twelve month Average Shares=20
Outstanding. Cash Flow is defined as the sum of Income After Taxes =
minus=20
Preferred Dividends and General Partner Distributions plus =
Depreciation,=20
Depletion and Amortization.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">Cash From =
Financing--</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">The sum of all the =
individual=20
financing activity cash flow line items.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'">Cash=20
From Investing--</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'">The=20
sum of all the individual investing activity cash flow line=20
items.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'">Cash=20
From Operations --</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">The sum of all the =
individual=20
operating activity cash flow line items. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">Cash Per Share, =
Quarterly, MRQ ($=20
per share) --</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'">This is=20
the Total Cash plus Short Term Investments divided by the Shares =
Outstanding=20
at the end of the most recent fiscal quarter. </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS =
Mincho'"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>DGO Cash Flow Definition</FONT>--CASH FLOW PER SHARE =
FROM=20
OPERATIONS:<BR>Derived by adding depreciation, depletion and =
amortization to=20
the company's net income and dividing this figure by the shares =
outstanding.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dheading31><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><STRONG><FONT =
color=3D#3d3d8d>Free=20
Cash Flow<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN></FONT></STRONG><A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=
=3D186"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=
=3D186">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=
=3D186</SPAN></A></A></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dheading31><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3Dheading31><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></SPAN>This =
is cash=20
flow from operations minus capital expenditures minus cash dividends =
paid --=20
at least in the view of some analysts. The truth is that opinions =
differ about=20
what constitutes ""free"" cash flow and how -- or whether -- it =
differs from=20
conventional cash flow. The premise behind backing out capital =
expenditures=20
and dividends is that these are optional and therefore should be set =
aside to=20
see how much income a company is really generating. The dividend could =
always=20
be suspended, after all, and even capital intensive firms can usually =
limp=20
along for awhile on reduced capital outlays. The goal is the same as =
with cash=20
flow: to look behind the smoke and mirrors sometimes associated with =
net=20
income.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dheading31><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><STRONG><FONT =
color=3D#3d3d8d>Cash=20
Flow<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></STRONG><A =
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=
=3D65"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=
=3D65">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=3D=
65</SPAN></A></A></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dheading31><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; =
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; =
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Net=20
income minus preferred dividends plus depreciation (as given in the =
income=20
statement). Generally speaking, cash flow is the best measure of a =
company's=20
profits, and is usually calculated by adding depreciation and any =
other=20
non-cash charges to earnings after taxes. Investors look to cash flow =
for=20
several reasons: because firms have accounting leeway when it comes to =
reporting net income; because depreciation charges, while substantial =
in many=20
industries, aren't genuine bills that have to be paid; and because =
cash flow=20
is the key to a company's ability to pay dividends, cover debts and so =
forth.=20
Thus, some analysts focus on the ratio of price to cash flow rather =
than the=20
traditional price/earnings (P/E) measure. Cash flow is especially =
useful in=20
assessing firms in capital intensive industries -- cable TV, for =
instance --=20
in which huge depreciation charges can hide healthy =
profits.</SPAN></P>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DSpencer48@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Spencer48@aol.com">Spencer48@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 13, =
2002=20
11:08 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] Re:Cash =
Flow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tom: <BR><BR> In your =
view how=20
could cash-flow be less than earnings. I thought that =
<BR>cash-flow=20
were earnings minus the non-cash-expense items on the income sheet =
<BR>(such=20
as depreciation and goodwill amortization)? =20
<BR><BR> Also, could you be specific. =
I see=20
some companies with interesting <BR>formations (MIMS for one) whose=20
cash-flow is less than earnings. How is it <BR>possible =
to do=20
this? Are the Accounts Receivable so high (ie. higher than =
<BR>all the=20
non-cash-expenses added together) that the company doesn't =
<BR>realistically=20
expect to be paid, but the earnings are booked=20
anyway?<BR><BR>jans<BR><BR>-<BR>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "<A =
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