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Good morning Katherine,
Thanks for the clarification. One question. Is the A/D rating weighted =
to give more empahsis on current purchases and sales?
Another point on institutional ownership - although it's not a CANSLIM =
approach. When I find a company that's recently gone public and looks =
very good fundamentally, I look at the lack of insititutional ownership =
as an advantage. This is because it won't take these institutions very =
long to find out about the company and when they buy in, the price will =
soar. This was part of my thinking with AMGP.
Ira
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From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership
Hi Ira,
Just a point of clarification on the A/D rating vs. Institutional =
Ownership--
The A/D rating is a weighted ranking on the recent price/volume action =
of the stock. IBD looks for accumulation (up days on volume higher than =
the previous day) of large blocks of stock vs distribution (down days on =
volume higher than the day before) of large blocks and then creates a =
ranking A-E. In that sense, you are right, that when large blocks are =
being accumulated more than they are distributed, the stock would rank =
very high. This is a proxy for current institutional price/volume action =
but does not address, in general, what % of the shares in float are =
*owned* by institutions. For example, 2 stocks could have an A/D rating =
of A, yet one could be 10% owned by institutions while the other could =
be 80% owned by institutions.
On institutional ownership, Matt--
I've noticed large discrepancies like this in the Yahoo/MarketGuide =
data and the DGO data before. As a cautionary approach, if you see a =
high number like 80-90% as you saw for ANSS, it's probably an error in =
their data (I think their shares outstanding in the calculation aren't =
updated to reflect share buy backs, primary offers, etc). Sure enough, =
DGO has banks owning 14% and funds owning 30% of the float for a total =
institutional ownership of 44% of the 13.4m shares in the float. The =
remaining 1m shares outstanding are owned by management (7% of =
outstanding). Though that's what I'd consider the higher end of the =
"acceptable" range, I never let that keep me away from a stock if I feel =
it has everything else going for it, especially when the float is rather =
small.
Katherine
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From: Ira Post=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership
I think you got that information from Yahoo. If you go to the IBD =
site and do a stock check-up, you'll find an Accumulation/Distribution =
(Acc/Dis) Rating of B-. I think the discrepancy has to do with IBD's =
more recent monitoring of this information and their taking into account =
of more recent institutional buying or selling.
WON feels this is very important. However, IBD's stock check-up =
gives this stock an overall rating of A+. So I wouldn't worry about it =
the B- in this area. The significance lies in the fact that =
institutions control large blocks of money and when they move into or =
out of a stock it influences the price significantly.
Ira
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Matt & Alicia Leverette=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Institutional Ownership
Hi,
I have been considering ANSS. It is rated a 98 on IBD Stock =
Checkup and it's chart looks pretty good to me. Also, I have noticed =
other stocks within it's group have been doing well of late.
My question has to do with Institutional Ownership. ANSS is at =
81% (89% of Float). I know this is high, but how important of a factor =
is this.
I would love some thoughts.
Matt
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good morning Katherine,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the clarification. One =
question. Is the A/D rating weighted to give more empahsis on =
current=20
purchases and sales?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another point on institutional =
ownership - although=20
it's not a CANSLIM approach. When I find a company that's recently =
gone=20
public and looks very good fundamentally, I look at the lack of =
insititutional=20
ownership as an advantage. This is because it won't take these=20
institutions very long to find out about the company and when they buy =
in, the=20
price will soar. This was part of my thinking with =
AMGP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ira</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
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10:07=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Institutional=20
Ownership</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Ira,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just a point of clarification on the A/D rating vs. Institutional =
Ownership--</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The A/D rating is a weighted ranking on the recent price/volume =
action of=20
the stock. IBD looks for accumulation (up days on volume higher than =
the=20
previous day) of large blocks of stock vs distribution (down days on =
volume=20
higher than the day before) of large blocks and then creates a ranking =
A-E. In=20
that sense, you are right, that when large blocks are being =
accumulated more=20
than they are distributed, the stock would rank very high. This =
is a=20
proxy for current institutional price/volume action but does not =
address,=20
in general, what % of the shares in float are *owned* by institutions. =
For=20
example, 2 stocks could have an A/D rating of A, yet one could be =
10%=20
owned by institutions while the other could be 80% owned by=20
institutions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On institutional ownership, Matt--</DIV>
<DIV>I've noticed large discrepancies like this in the =
Yahoo/MarketGuide data=20
and the DGO data before. As a cautionary approach, if you see a high =
number=20
like 80-90% as you saw for ANSS, it's probably an error in their data =
(I think=20
their shares outstanding in the calculation aren't updated to reflect =
share=20
buy backs, primary offers, etc). Sure enough, DGO has banks owning 14% =
and=20
funds owning 30% of the float for a total institutional ownership of =
44% of=20
the 13.4m shares in the float. The remaining 1m shares outstanding are =
owned=20
by management (7% of outstanding). Though that's what I'd=20
consider the higher end of the "acceptable" range, I never let =
that keep=20
me away from a stock if I feel it has everything else going for it, =
especially=20
when the float is rather small.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dip108@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:ip108@yahoo.com">Ira =
Post</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 20, =
2002 2:57=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Institutional=20
Ownership</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think you got that information =
from=20
Yahoo. If you go to the IBD site and do a stock check-up, =
you'll find=20
an <FONT size=3D3>Accumulation/Distribution (Acc/Dis) Rating of =
B-. I=20
think the discrepancy has to do with IBD's more recent monitoring of =
this=20
information and their taking into account of more recent =
institutional=20
buying or selling.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>WON feels this is very important. =
However, IBD's=20
stock check-up gives this stock an overall rating of A+. =
So I=20
wouldn't worry about it the B- in this area. The significance =
lies in=20
the fact that institutions control large blocks of money and when =
they move=20
into or out of a stock it influences the price =
significantly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ira</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmalever@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:malever@bellsouth.net">Matt=20
& Alicia Leverette</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 19, =
2002 9:35=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] =
Institutional=20
Ownership</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been considering =
ANSS. It is=20
rated a 98 on IBD Stock Checkup and it's chart looks pretty good =
to=20
me. Also, I have noticed other stocks within it's group have =
been=20
doing well of late.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My question has to do with =
Institutional=20
Ownership. ANSS is at 81% (89% of Float). I know this =
is high,=20
but how important of a factor is this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would love some =
thoughts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Matt</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><=
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