RE: [CANSLIM] Investor's Corner Puzzlement


From: "Harold Josephson" <hj@hjosephson.com>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Investor's Corner Puzzlement
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:09:56 -0700

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Hi Katherine,

Thanks for the prompt reply.

So, would we then say that the 8% rule applies to the value at the time of
the breakout, but should not be used to (mindlessly) trail a rapidly rising
stock?

Harold

Harold Josephson
Tel:   323.850.1333
Fax:  323.512.8968
hj@hjosephson.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:58 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investor's Corner Puzzlement

Hi Harold,

WON only uses the 8% rule at the time of a valid breakout. The pullbacks
referred to in the article are pullbacks within the uptrend...not at the
time of breakout. For example, WON says that stocks that rise 20% or more
within 8 weeks of the breakout are typically very strong and suggests
holding on during the first consolidation. The article today is simply
saying that  if you set hard stops too tightly during the uptrend, you will
likely be shaken out of an otherwise healthy stock that is simply acting
"normally" in its uptrend or will get shaken out on intraday action where
the close is otherwise healthy.

Katherine
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Josephson <mailto:hj@hjosephson.com>
To: CANSLIM DISCUSSION GROUP (E-mail) <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:35 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Investor's Corner Puzzlement

Tuesday's Investor's Corner seemed to illustrate that following the WON rule
of selling when a stock has dropped 8% would have shaken you out of all of
the top 12 winners of the 1997-2000 period.  I am puzzled by the message
here.  Don't follow the WON rule?

Thanks

Harold Josephson
Tel:   323.850.1333
Fax:  323.512.8968
hj@hjosephson.com <mailto:hj@hjosephson.com>


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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Katherine Malm<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 23, =
2002 6:58
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Investor's
Corner Puzzlement</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Hi =
Harold,</span></font><font
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New Roman";
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>WON only uses the =
8% rule at
the time of a valid breakout. The pullbacks referred to in the article =
are
pullbacks within the uptrend...not at the time of breakout. For example, =
WON
says that stocks that rise 20% or more within 8 weeks of the breakout =
are
typically very strong and suggests holding on during the first =
consolidation.
The article today is simply saying that&nbsp; if you set hard stops too =
tightly
during the uptrend, you will likely be shaken out of an otherwise =
healthy stock
that is simply acting &quot;normally&quot; in its uptrend or will get =
shaken
out on intraday action where the close is otherwise =
healthy.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-family:"Times =
New Roman";
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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pan></font></b><font
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Investor's Corner Puzzlement</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-family:"Times =
New Roman";
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'margin-left:39.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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class=3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Tuesday's Investor's Corner seemed to =
illustrate that
following the WON rule of selling when a stock has dropped 8% would have =
shaken
you out of all of the top 12 winners of the 1997-2000 period.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I am puzzled by the message =
here.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Don't follow the WON =
rule?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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class=3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt'><!--[if =
supportFields]><span=20
style=3D'mso-element:field-begin'></span><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:=20
yes">&nbsp;</span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s &quot;E-mail Signature&quot; <span=20
style=3D'mso-element:field-separator'></span><![endif]--><b><i><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Harold =
Josephson<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>

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style=3D'margin-left:39.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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3.0pt'><b><i><font
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tel:<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>323.850.1333<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>

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style=3D'margin-left:39.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Fax:<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;
</span>323.512.8968<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><a =
href=3D"mailto:hj@hjosephson.com">hj@hjosephson.com</a></span></font></i>=
</b><o:p></o:p></p>

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