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Tom & Katherine,
Thank you both. I checked several of today's charts and the annual # under
the mini-graphs match the IBD "3 Year Earnings Per Share Rate" figures in
IBD.
- -- Mona
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:30 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO / IBD question
Tom,
Good catch. I had never noticed that they used different time frames for
their calculations. Here's the "official" definitions from each source:
Katherine
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From DGO:
EARNINGS FIVE-YEAR GROWTH RATE:
This item is calculated by using a least squares regression fit over a
3-to-5 year period of earnings per share based on a trailing four-quarter
count. For example, if a stock is currently in its second quarter, the first
period used in this calculation will consist of the sum of Q2 + Q1 (of the
current fiscal year) plus Q4 +Q3 (of the prior fiscal year). Each
successive period will be based on the next trailing four quarters of
earnings per share.
The amount of time used to calculate the Growth Rate is based on two
factors;
a.. Availability of data
b.. Positive earnings
If a stock does not have at least three years of positive earnings (based
on the trailing four-quarter method noted above), an "N/A" will appear.
The amount of time used for this calculation will consist of at least
three years but no more than five years of positive earnings per share. If a
four-quarter period sum is negative, that period and additional earnings
further back in time, will not be used in the calculation of this data item.
From IBD Stock Checkup:
EPS Growth Rate %, 3 YEAR
The compound 3-year growth rate calculated using the least squares fit
over the latest two to three years’ earnings per share on a running 12-month
basis. Growth rate will be calculated only if there is a minimum of eight
trailing 4-quarter periods of positive earnings (uses a minimum of 11
quarters of data).
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO / IBD question
Hi Mona,
don't know about finding the "same" figure, but DGO shows a five year
number
labeled "Growth Rate" in the data block. From some past experiences, as
well
as the DGO beta site experience, I think each one is using different
time
frames for some of the calculations. DGO uses 5 years for this item, I
think
IBD may only be using 3 years, which would explain the difference.
Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mona Guarino" <webmaster@design21.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO / IBD question
In the IBD stocks in the news graphic displays, there is usually an
"annual
eps growth" figure. Is there anyplace in IBD or DGO where I can find the
same annual eps figure? I am not seeing anything that matches it.
Example, today's printed IBD shows:
DRS as 39% annual eps growth
DGO weekly shows EPS growth rate as 7%
What am I missing here?
-- Mona
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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& Katherine,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D070234718-01052002>Thank=20
you both. I checked several of today's charts and the annual # =
under the=20
mini-graphs match the IBD "<FONT color=3D#000000>3 Year Earnings Per =
Share=20
Rate" figures in IBD.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D070234718-01052002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D070234718-01052002>--=20
Mona</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2><SPAN class=3D070234718-01052002> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Katherine =
Malm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] DGO / IBD=20
question<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV>Tom,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good catch. I had never noticed that they used different time =
frames for=20
their calculations. Here's the "official" definitions from each =
source:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>From DGO:</DIV>
<DIV>
<P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D3>EARNINGS =
FIVE-YEAR GROWTH=20
RATE:</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This item is c<FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000080 size=3D2>alculated by using a least squares regression =
fit over a=20
3-to-5 year period of earnings per share based on a trailing =
four-quarter=20
count. For example, if a stock is currently in its second quarter, the =
first=20
period used in this calculation will consist of the sum of=20
</FONT></FONT></STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Q2 + Q1 (of the =
current=20
fiscal year) plus Q4 +Q3 (of the prior fiscal year). Each =
successive=20
period will be based on the next trailing four quarters of earnings =
per=20
share.</B></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>The amount of time used to calculate =
the Growth=20
Rate is based on two factors; </B></FONT></P>
<UL>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Availability of data</B></FONT>=20
<LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Positive earnings</B></FONT> =
</LI></UL>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>If a stock does not have at least =
three years of=20
positive earnings (based on the trailing four-quarter method noted =
above), an=20
</B><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2>"N/A" will=20
appear. </FONT></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The=20
amount of time used for this calculation will consist of at least =
three years=20
but no more than five years of positive earnings per share. If a =
four-quarter=20
period sum is negative, that period and additional earnings further =
back in=20
time, will not be used in the calculation of this data=20
item. </FONT></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
<P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2>From IBD Stock=20
Checkup:</FONT></STRONG></P>
<H4 class=3Ddetail>EPS Growth Rate %, 3 YEAR</H4>
<P>The compound 3-year growth rate calculated using the least squares =
fit over=20
the latest two to three years’ earnings per share on a running =
12-month basis.=20
Growth rate will be calculated only if there is a minimum of eight =
trailing=20
4-quarter periods of positive earnings (uses a minimum of 11 quarters =
of=20
data). </P></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstkguru@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">Tom=20
Worley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 01, 2002 =
7:32=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] DGO / =
IBD=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Mona,<BR><BR>don't know about finding the "same" =
figure,=20
but DGO shows a five year number<BR>labeled "Growth Rate" in the =
data block.=20
From some past experiences, as well<BR>as the DGO beta site =
experience, I=20
think each one is using different time<BR>frames for some of the=20
calculations. DGO uses 5 years for this item, I think<BR>IBD may =
only be=20
using 3 years, which would explain the difference.<BR><BR>Tom =
Worley<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">stkguru@bellsouth.net</A><BR>AIM:=20
TexWorley<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mona Guarino" =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:webmaster@design21.com">webmaster@design21.com</A>><BR>=
To:=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>Sent:=20
Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:23 AM<BR>Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO / IBD=20
question<BR><BR><BR>In the IBD stocks in the news graphic displays, =
there is=20
usually an "annual<BR>eps growth" figure. Is there anyplace in IBD =
or DGO=20
where I can find the<BR>same annual eps figure? I am not seeing =
anything=20
that matches it.<BR><BR>Example, today's printed IBD shows:<BR>DRS =
as 39%=20
annual eps growth<BR><BR>DGO weekly shows EPS growth rate as =
7%<BR><BR>What=20
am I missing here?<BR><BR>-- =
Mona</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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