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Mike:
Not a bad idea. In other words, if the stock is in a handle at the time
it's being evaluated, it gets a '1'.
You might want to inquire of Tom, Katherine, or Ian to get their input.
For actual screening purposes, however, I'd still throw it out. But as
I stated, if I see the '1' there, I head straight for the chart.
Duke
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:09 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Curious in Florida
Hi Duke,
If a stock is in a handle, then it will stay on our WON watchlist until
it either breaks out, drops below the handle, or the handle length
exceeds 30 days (5 weeks). The N indicator means it is either in a
handle or was recently. Maybe I should limit it to only stocks that are
in a handle. What do you think?
Aloha,
Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com <http://www.proactech.com/>
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 4:32 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Curious in Florida
Mike:
You wrote:
>Wouldn't the fact that it's in a handle be an additional indicator that
the stock is worth evaluating?
Absolutely. And when I see that it has been on the list, I scramble to
the chart. I'm not suggesting you change a thing in that regard.
It may help if I define exactly how I use the Evaluator. I, like many
herein, run screen after screen each day mining potential winners.
Before the Evaluator came along the majority of my time was spent
culling the losers--stocks that are "outside" my CANSLIM model. It
didn't take me long to decide that a rating of 7 or better keeps a stock
on my list. Under the new ratings, I'm considering moving that to 6.8.
That being the case, whether or not the stock has made the watch list in
the last 7 days is not significant. Might have been in the go-go days
preceding the market we're in now, I don't know. (And with stocks
building seemingly longer bases lately, maybe your criteria should be
longer, like 7 weeks. Doesn't WON say the handle should be 4 to 7 weeks
in duration? )
The Evaluator provides me the "snapshot" I need...to cull or not. And
it saves me the most valuable commodity of all: time.
Thanks again for making it available to us.
Duke
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:00 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Curious in Florida
Hi Duke,
re: (FYI: Yes, there are 11 criteria on the Evaluator, but I throw out
N--the fact a stock appears within the past 7 days on a Watch List is
immaterial for ranking purposes, IMHO.)
Aloha,
Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com <http://www.proactech.com/>
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:02 AM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Curious in Florida
Good morning all:
Since most of you know how I feel about present market environment,
you'll be glad to know this isn't about that. It's about AFTER "that!"
I'll explain:
Each day, I download the Excel version of the Daily Screen from IBD.
Then I "play" with it for awhile. I sort various aspects to my personal
preferences: Industry Group Rank (eliminating all above 40); SMR
(eliminating all at C or worse); and so forth. Then I may sort them by
other factors--combined RS & EPS Ratings or Index of Current PE vs.
Projected--to arrive at a another cutoff point. After all that, I put
the remnants into a portfolio with that day's price. Then I follow the
action.
What I'm seeing is an amalgam of stocks, the majority of which keep
re-appearing in my final cuts. Some, more than I care to mention, I was
shaken out of earlier this year before going to all cash; some, more
than I care to mention, I wish I'd jumped on. They're the ones that
when I should have jumped on them (I don't have 20-20 hindsight like IBD
does) the right criteria weren't present (usually the darn charts). But
the fact remains, many of the same symbols are there. And they aren't
going away!
Further, on May 6, a truly awful day on all three of the big indexes, I
reviewed my Daily Screens portfolios to see which stocks suffered the
least. The list read like a who's-who of my Daily Screens Portfolios.
So, here's my question: If these same names are hanging around like
they are, day in and day out for several months now, both on my sorted
screens and in IBD editorial, does it stand to reason that when the
market turns, these stocks that have exhibited such strength in a bad
market should be the BIG winners when M starts to head North?
I, like all of you, hear over and over again that we should be watching
for stocks forming good bases at this time, blah, blah, blah. But it's
my opinion 9/11 created one crazy environment for the markets and a lot
of stocks we're seeing making big gains these days are NOT conforming to
the teachings of WON. While composing this, I put these stocks to one
more test. The Canslim Evaluator. I found it interesting that while
all these stocks are floating on the top, the average score is an
unimpressive 6.2 out of 10. In fact, only one was 8 or better: UOPX at
8. (FYI: Yes, there are 11 criteria on the Evaluator, but I throw out
N--the fact a stock appears within the past 7 days on a Watch List is
immaterial for ranking purposes, IMHO.)
Your opinions will be highly valued. Thank you.
Duke
Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have another
glass of great wine!
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Mike:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT face=3DArial>Not a bad =
idea. In=20
other words, if the stock is in a handle at the time it's being =
evaluated, it=20
gets a '1'. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT face=3DArial>You might want =
to inquire=20
of Tom, Katherine, or Ian to get their input. For actual screening =
purposes, however, I'd still throw it out. But as I stated, if I =
see the=20
'1' there, I head straight for the chart.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D609120618-09052002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Gibbons<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 09, =
2002 1:09=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[CANSLIM]=20
Curious in Florida<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D420285816-09052002>Hi=20
Duke,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D420285816-09052002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D420285816-09052002>If a=20
stock is in a handle, then it will stay on our WON watchlist until it =
either=20
breaks out, drops below the handle, or the handle length exceeds 30 =
days (5=20
weeks). The N indicator means it is either in a handle or was =
recently. Maybe=20
I should limit it to only stocks that are in a handle. What do you=20
think?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aloha,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Gibbons<BR>Proactive =
Technologies,=20
LLC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.proactech.com/">http://www.proactech.com</A></FONT></D=
IV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Duke=20
Miller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 09, 2002 4:32 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] Curious =
in=20
Florida<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Mike:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial>You=20
wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>>Wouldn't the fact that it's in a handle be an =
additional=20
indicator that the stock is worth evaluating?=20
</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002>Absolutely. And when I see =
that it has=20
been on the list, I scramble to the chart. I'm not suggesting =
you=20
change a thing in that =
regard. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002>It may =
help if I=20
define exactly how I use the Evaluator. I, like many herein, =
run=20
screen after screen each day mining potential winners. Before =
the=20
Evaluator came along the majority of my time was spent culling the=20
losers--stocks that are "outside" my CANSLIM model. It =
didn't=20
take me long to decide that a rating of 7 or better keeps a =
stock on my=20
list. Under the new ratings, I'm considering moving that to=20
6.8. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002>That =
being the case,=20
whether or not the stock has made the watch list in the last 7 days =
is not=20
significant. Might have been in the go-go days preceding the =
market=20
we're in now, I don't know. (And with stocks building =
seemingly=20
longer bases lately, maybe your criteria should be longer, like =
7=20
weeks. Doesn't WON say the handle should be 4 to 7 weeks in=20
duration? ) </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002>The =
Evaluator=20
provides me the "snapshot" I need...to cull or not. And it =
saves me=20
the most valuable commodity of all: =20
time.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002>Thanks =
again for=20
making it available to us.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002>Duke</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
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class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN=20
class=3D000305508-09052002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D015530414-09052002><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Gibbons<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 09, =
2002=20
5:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
[CANSLIM] Curious in Florida<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Hi Duke,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000305508-09052002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>re: <FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3>(FYI: Yes, =
there are 11=20
criteria on the Evaluator, but I throw out N--the fact a stock =
appears=20
within the past 7 days on a Watch List is immaterial for ranking =
purposes,=20
IMHO.)</FONT></FONT>=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><SPAN =
class=3D000305508-09052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aloha,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Gibbons<BR>Proactive =
Technologies,=20
LLC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.proactech.com/">http://www.proactech.com</A></FONT></D=
IV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Duke=20
Miller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:02 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
CANSLIM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] Curious in=20
Florida<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>Good =
morning=20
all:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>Since =
most of=20
you know how I feel about present market environment, =
you'll be=20
glad to know this isn't about that. It's about AFTER=20
"that!" I'll explain:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>Each =
day, I=20
download the Excel version of the Daily Screen from IBD. =
Then=20
I "play" with it for awhile. I sort various =
aspects=20
to my personal preferences: Industry Group Rank =
(eliminating all=20
above 40); SMR (eliminating all at C or worse); and so =
forth. Then=20
I may sort them by other factors--combined RS & EPS Ratings =
or Index=20
of Current PE vs. Projected--to arrive at =
a another=20
cutoff point. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>After all that, I put the remnants into a portfolio =
with that=20
day's price. Then I follow the action. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>What =
I'm seeing is=20
an amalgam of stocks, the majority of which keep =
re-appearing in my=20
final cuts. Some, more than I care to mention, I was =
shaken out of=20
earlier this year before going to all cash; some, more than I =
care to=20
mention, I wish I'd jumped on. They're the ones that =
when I=20
should have jumped on them (I don't have 20-20 hindsight like =
IBD does)=20
the right criteria weren't present (usually the darn =
charts). But=20
the fact remains, many of the same symbols are there. And =
they=20
aren't going away! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Further, on May 6,=20
a truly awful day on all three of the big indexes, I reviewed my =
Daily=20
Screens portfolios to see which stocks suffered the =
least. =20
The list read like a who's-who of my Daily Screens =
Portfolios. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>So, =
h<SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>ere's my =
question: If=20
these same names are hanging around like they are, day in and =
day out=20
for several months now, both on my sorted screens and in IBD =
editorial,=20
does it stand to reason that when the market turns, these stocks =
that=20
have exhibited such strength in a bad market should be the BIG =
winners=20
when M starts to head North?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>I, like =
all of you,=20
hear over and over again that we should be watching for stocks =
forming=20
good bases at this time, blah, blah, blah. But it's my =
opinion=20
9/11 created one crazy environment for the markets and a lot of =
stocks=20
we're seeing making big gains these days are NOT conforming to =
the=20
teachings of WON. While composing this, =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>I put these stocks =
to one more=20
test. The Canslim Evaluator. I found it interesting =
that=20
while all these stocks are floating on the top, the average =
score is an=20
unimpressive 6.2 out of 10. In fact, only one was 8 or=20
better: UOPX at 8. (FYI: Yes, there are 11 =
criteria on=20
the Evaluator, but I throw out N--the fact a stock appears =
within the=20
past 7 days on a Watch List is immaterial for ranking purposes,=20
IMHO.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>Your =
opinions will=20
be highly valued. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT face=3DArial>Thank =
you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D827134813-08052002></SPAN><FONT =
size=3D2>Everybody should=20
believe in something - I believe I'll have another glass of =
great=20
wine!</DIV></FONT>
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