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Thanks for the opinion.
John Adair
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:22 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Growth Estimates (was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list)
Hi John,
I absolutely believe that projected growth estimates are useful. It's the
only means of narrowing down the universe of technically strong stocks in
order to draw your eye to potential CANSLIM candidates. That doesn't mean
they are "right" it just means they are "the best info available." The
alternative is to read absolutely everything (SEC filings, etc.) about every
possible stock and make your own assessment of future growth
potential--impossible. The idea is simply to use a minimum figure as a
hurdle, then let additional past fundamentals and current technical pattern
help in the final selection.
If you were to throw out future growth estimates assuming that they are not
"accurate", then throw out past fundamentals assuming that they "don't tell
the whole story" then you're left with nothing but technicals. That means
you're a pure technician, forced to play a short-term game with entry/exit
*only* on technical patterns. Decidedly *not* CANSLIM, as it is the
inclusion of both fundamentals and intermediate term technicals which puts
you firmly in CANSLIM territory.
Katherine
- ----- Original Message -----
From: xjadair <mailto:xjadair@brightok.net>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Growth Estimates (was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list)
Do you really believe any of the projected growth estimates are worth
anything. I would be more surprised if any matched and are there any studies
to indicate past performance of the projected growth rates.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Malm <mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Growth Estimates (was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list)
Hi SRP,
I don't use the QP2 data, so folks using it may have a more definitive
answer as to what they have found useful.
But...your question got me to wondering how the QP2 projections matched what
I use in VectorVest. In VV, there is a forward growth parameter (GRT) which
indicates the annual projected growth for "the next 1 to 3 years." I always
use GRT>=15 in my own stock selection criteria.
I asked a friend who uses QP2 to forward the data for approx 3000 stocks
with prices >= $6. I then ran a test to see how things compared between my
numbers and the QP2 projected numbers. I deleted a lot of the stocks on the
list because QP2 had 0% or 9999% for many of them. I then did a simple
"toggle" test for GRT>=15, yes or no. Then did the same for each of the QP2
projected numbers (>=15%, yes or no). I then counted up the Yes/No matches
between QP2 and VV. Here are the results:
Using %EPS Proj CFY: 59% matched
Using %EPS Proj 3-5 yrs: 62% matched
Using %EPS Proj NFY: 57% matched
Using a test where any one of the above 3 projected was >=15%: 47% matched.
I don't know what to tell you beyond that, but the using any of the QP2
projected numbers, the differences are marked, so couldn't draw any
conclusions based on the tests I ran.
Katherine
- ----- Original Message -----
From: SRP Singh <mailto:ssingh_01803@yahoo.com>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list
Hi Katherine and ALL,
Thanks for your reply. it really helps.
I've the following items in my filter to arrive at
forward growth rates cutoff.
If %EPS Proj CFY >= 15.0
Or %EPS Proj CFY = 0.0
Or %EPS Proj NFY >= 20.0
It means projected/estimated EPS growth for Current
Financial Year (CFY) should be greater than or equal
to 15%
or
the same equal to zero as some stocks may not have any
estimate
or Projectd EPS growth for Next Financial Year (NFY)
should be greater than or equal to 20 %
Is this a valid way to filter out lower growth stocks
? or Should one use Current QUARTER (instead of Year)
and Next QUARTER estimates? One can also take last 6
months actual EPS growth and extrapolate to arrive at
next 6 month expected growth.
Which is the more valid way to arrive at growth figure
?
Thanks,
SRP
- --- Katherine Malm < kmalm@earthlink.net <mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net> >
wrote:
> Hi SRP,
>
> 1. To find out if the RS Line is increasing, I
> simply run a calculation based on the price today
> vs. 26 weeks ago. The RS Line compares the price of
> the stock to the S&P500 on that date and then plots
> it. To be accurate, I should have said that I've
> included stocks where the RS Line is not decreasing.
> That is, I included anything where the RS Line was
> the same or higher over 26 weeks. The calculation is
> as follows: (Pn = Price now, P26 = Price 26 wks ago,
> SPXn = SPX now, SPX26 = SPX 26 wks ago):
>
> % Inc in RS Line 26 wks = (Pn/SPXn - P26/SPX26) /
> (P26/SPX26)
>
> The line you see on the DGO or IBD charts is a plot
> of this relationship between Price & SPX over time
> and is *not* a plot of the RS Ranking (1-99) over
> time. That is, it tells you how the price of the
> stock is doing relative to the S&P500. The RS
> Ranking tells you how the stock is performing vs.
> all other stocks based on price appreciation over
> the last 12 months (based on 40% current quarter and
> 20% for each of the previous quarters).
>
> 2. D/E is Debt to Equity. Or, what some people
> simply call the Debt Ratio. I like it to be <=50%,
> but don't use it as a filter, just a weigh-in
> factor. Reasons are numerous, including errors in
> the data sources, the norm for the industry, etc.
>
> Katherine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SRP Singh
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting
> list
>
>
> Hi Katherine,
>
> Thanks for sharing spreadsheet. I've 2 questions
> though.
>
> 1. How or where do you get value for "an
> increasing RS
> Line for the last 26 wks" ? I can see the RS Line
> at
> charts in investors.com but how do you use it in
> the
> filter ?
>
>
> 2. In one of your earlier mails you've mentioned
> that
> you prefer the following values :
> ROE (prefer >=17%)
> D/E (prefer <=50%)
>
> Is this D/E is typo ? Should it be P/E ? Please
> excuse
> my ignorance.
>
> Thanks,
> SRP
>
>
> --- Katherine Malm < kmalm@earthlink.net <mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net> >
wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've uploaded a more current spreadsheet with
> links
> > containing "CANSLIM hunting ground" stocks.
> >
> > All stocks have forward growth rates >=15, have
> an
> > increasing RS Line for the last 26 wks, current
> > RS>=60, Price>=200dMA, Price>=(-15%) of 50dMA,
> A/D
> > not D or E. Some stocks will slip through that
> don't
> > meet all the technical requirements because,
> when
> > data is missing, I let them pass.
> >
> > Most stocks included have Price>=6, though some
> > small fry slip through. Most AvgVols are >=30K,
> > though again, some lower ADV's are included.
> >
> > Stocks to be merged/acquired are not included.
> >
> > Data current as of 5/22/02
> >
> > You'll find the spreadsheet at:
> >
>
>
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting052202.zip
> >
> > Happy Hunting,
> > Katherine
> >
> > PS Industries are NOT from DGO, so you will see
> some
> > differences between the industries identified
> here
> > and those as they are identified in DGO.
> >
>
>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Growth =
Estimates
(was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list)</span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I =
absolutely
believe that projected growth estimates are useful. It's the only means =
of
narrowing down the universe of technically strong stocks in order to =
draw your
eye to potential CANSLIM candidates. That doesn't mean they are =
"right"
it just means they are "the best info available." The =
alternative is
to read absolutely everything (SEC filings, etc.) about every =
possible
stock and make your own assessment of future growth =
potential--impossible. The
idea is simply to use a minimum figure as a hurdle, then let additional =
past
fundamentals and current technical pattern help in the final selection. =
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If =
you were
to throw out future growth estimates assuming that they are not
"accurate", then throw out past fundamentals assuming that =
they
"don't tell the whole story" then you're left with nothing but
technicals. That means you're a pure technician, forced to play a =
short-term
game with entry/exit *only* on technical patterns. Decidedly *not* =
CANSLIM, as
it is the inclusion of both fundamentals and intermediate term =
technicals which
puts you firmly in CANSLIM territory.</span></font><font =
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font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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face=3DArial><span =
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font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
Growth Estimates (was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting =
list)</span></font><font
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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Do you
really believe any of the projected growth estimates are worth anything. =
I
would be more surprised if any matched and are there any studies to
indicate past performance of the projected growth =
rates.</span></font><font
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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:win=
dowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style=3D'font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net" =
title=3D"kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine Malm</a>
</span></font></div>
<font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com" =
title=3D"canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</a>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Monday, May =
27, 2002
9:07 PM</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:win=
dowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
Growth Estimates (was: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting =
list)</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi =
SRP,</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I =
don't use
the QP2 data, so folks using it may have a more definitive answer as to =
what
they have found useful.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But...your
question got me to wondering how the QP2 projections matched what I use =
in VectorVest.
In VV, there is a forward growth parameter (GRT) which indicates the =
annual
projected growth for "the next 1 to 3 years." I always use =
GRT>=3D15
in my own stock selection criteria.</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I =
asked a
friend who uses QP2 to forward the data for approx 3000 stocks with =
prices
>=3D $6. I then ran a test to see how things compared between my =
numbers and
the QP2 projected numbers. I deleted a lot of the stocks on the list =
because
QP2 had 0% or 9999% for many of them. I then did a simple =
"toggle"
test for GRT>=3D15, yes or no. Then did the same for each of the QP2 =
projected
numbers (>=3D15%, yes or no). I then counted up the Yes/No matches =
between QP2
and VV. Here are the results:</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Using %EPS
Proj CFY: 59% matched</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Using %EPS
Proj 3-5 yrs: 62% matched</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Using %EPS
Proj NFY: 57% matched</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Using a
test where any one of the above 3 projected was >=3D15%: 47% =
matched.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I =
don't know
what to tell you beyond that, but the using any of the QP2 projected =
numbers,
the differences are marked, so couldn't draw any conclusions based on =
the tests
I ran.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Katherine</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
</div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:win=
dowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:so=
lid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style=3D'font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href=3D"mailto:ssingh_01803@yahoo.com" =
title=3D"ssingh_01803@yahoo.com">SRP Singh</a>
</span></font></div>
<font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com" =
title=3D"canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</a>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Friday, May =
24, 2002
3:33 PM</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:win=
dowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting list</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:47.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi =
Katherine
and ALL,<br>
Thanks for your reply. =
it
really helps.<br>
<br>
I've the following items in my filter to arrive at<br>
forward growth rates cutoff.<br>
<br>
If %EPS Proj CFY >=3D 15.0<br>
Or %EPS Proj CFY =3D 0.0<br>
Or %EPS Proj NFY >=3D 20.0<br>
<br>
It means projected/estimated EPS growth for Current<br>
Financial Year (CFY) should be greater than or equal<br>
to 15% <br>
or <br>
the same equal to zero as some stocks may not have any<br>
estimate<br>
or Projectd EPS growth for Next Financial Year (NFY)<br>
should be greater than or equal to 20 %<br>
<br>
Is this a valid way to filter out lower growth stocks<br>
? or Should one use Current QUARTER (instead of Year)<br>
and Next QUARTER estimates? One can also take last 6<br>
months actual EPS growth and extrapolate to arrive at<br>
next 6 month expected growth. <br>
<br>
Which is the more valid way to arrive at growth figure<br>
?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
SRP<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
- --- Katherine Malm <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">kmalm@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi SRP,<br>
> <br>
> 1. To find out if the RS Line is increasing, I<br>
> simply run a calculation based on the price today<br>
> vs. 26 weeks ago. The RS Line compares the price of<br>
> the stock to the S&P500 on that date and then plots<br>
> it. To be accurate, I should have said that I've<br>
> included stocks where the RS Line is not decreasing.<br>
> That is, I included anything where the RS Line was<br>
> the same or higher over 26 weeks. The calculation is<br>
> as follows: (Pn =3D Price now, P26 =3D Price 26 wks ago,<br>
> SPXn =3D SPX now, SPX26 =3D SPX 26 wks ago):<br>
> <br>
> % Inc in RS Line 26 wks =3D (Pn/SPXn - P26/SPX26) /<br>
> (P26/SPX26)<br>
> <br>
> The line you see on the DGO or IBD charts is a plot<br>
> of this relationship between Price & SPX over time<br>
> and is *not* a plot of the RS Ranking (1-99) over<br>
> time. That is, it tells you how the price of the<br>
> stock is doing relative to the S&P500. The RS<br>
> Ranking tells you how the stock is performing vs.<br>
> all other stocks based on price appreciation over<br>
> the last 12 months (based on 40% current quarter and<br>
> 20% for each of the previous quarters).<br>
> <br>
> 2. D/E is Debt to Equity. Or, what some people<br>
> simply call the Debt Ratio. I like it to be <=3D50%,<br>
> but don't use it as a filter, just a weigh-in<br>
> factor. Reasons are numerous, including errors in<br>
> the data sources, the norm for the industry, etc.<br>
> <br>
> Katherine<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: SRP Singh <br>
> To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</a>=
<br>
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:20 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Updated CANSLIM hunting<br>
> list<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Katherine,<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for sharing spreadsheet. I've 2 =
questions<br>
> though.<br>
> <br>
> 1. How or where do you get value for "an<br>
> increasing RS<br>
> Line for the last 26 wks" ? I can see the RS =
Line<br>
> at<br>
> charts in investors.com but how do you use it in<br>
> the<br>
> filter ?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 2. In one of your earlier mails you've mentioned<br>
> that<br>
> you prefer the following values :<br>
> ROE (prefer >=3D17%)<br>
> D/E (prefer <=3D50%)<br>
> <br>
> Is this D/E is typo ? Should it be P/E ? Please<br>
> excuse<br>
> my ignorance.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> SRP<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- Katherine Malm <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">kmalm@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > Hi All,<br>
> > <br>
> > I've uploaded a more current spreadsheet with<br>
> links<br>
> > containing "CANSLIM hunting ground" =
stocks.<br>
> > <br>
> > All stocks have forward growth rates >=3D15, =
have<br>
> an<br>
> > increasing RS Line for the last 26 wks, =
current<br>
> > RS>=3D60, Price>=3D200dMA, =
Price>=3D(-15%) of 50dMA,<br>
> A/D<br>
> > not D or E. Some stocks will slip through that<br>
> don't<br>
> > meet all the technical requirements because,<br>
> when<br>
> > data is missing, I let them pass.<br>
> > <br>
> > Most stocks included have Price>=3D6, though =
some<br>
> > small fry slip through. Most AvgVols are =
>=3D30K,<br>
> > though again, some lower ADV's are included.<br>
> > <br>
> > Stocks to be merged/acquired are not included.<br>
> > <br>
> > Data current as of 5/22/02<br>
> > <br>
> > You'll find the spreadsheet at: <br>
> ><br>
> <br>
><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting052202.zip">http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting052202.zip</a><br>
> > <br>
> > Happy Hunting,<br>
> > Katherine<br>
> > <br>
> > PS Industries are NOT from DGO, so you will =
see<br>
> some<br>
> > differences between the industries identified<br>
> here<br>
> > and those as they are identified in DGO.<br>
> > <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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