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MessageMy perception is that all the numbers are correct.
Two variables not mentioned in the claims of ownership are:
1) what is the cut off date for making the determination ?
2) are the institutions which own shares as "insiders" included in the =
quoted numbers?
By varying the two categories, I am confident that all of the quoted =
numbers and additional values can be determined.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Duke Miller=20
To: 'Mike Gibbons'=20
Cc: CANSLIM=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: NFI discrepancy
(Note to cc: Mike and I are having an exchange about data =
reliability. Anyone care to chime in, feel free, please.)
Mike:
I thought moneycentral's was better, 'cause that's where I got the 25% =
figure: =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=3Dnfi =
(scroll down to "Statistics")
Go figure!?!? Same category, same source, totally different =
information.
I double-checked my data with Thomson Wealth Management, a research =
source through my broker, Harris Direct. They say 25.4% held by 18 =
Institutions. Quicken, too, shows 18 institutions at 25.4%. =20
Duke
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Gibbons [mailto:mikegibbons@proactech.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Duke Miller
Subject: RE: NFI discrepancy
Hi Duke,
Beats me what the right answer is. Here's the link to Multex's =
Institutional Ownership page for NFI
=
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/HoldersReport.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fc=
ompanyinformation%2Finstit%5Fowner&Ticker=3DNFI
When I get the new site finished, maybe I'll have some time to =
research a more reliable source of information. My long term goal is to =
get enough subscribers to be be able to afford an institutional quality =
database, in the meantime, I have to use free sources such as Multex.
Do you think moneycentral's data is any better? I just looked NFI up =
there and got the same answer
=
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp?Symbo=
l=3Dnfi
Aloha,
Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Duke Miller [mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:04 AM
To: 'Mike Gibbons'
Subject: NFI discrepancy
Mike:
In research NFI, I got a conflict of data on Institutional =
Ownership. Three or four resources show 24 to 25%, yet the Evaluator =
shows 68%?
Duke
Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have =
another glass of great wine!
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My perception is that all the numbers are=20
correct.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Two variables not mentioned in the claims of =
ownership=20
are:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1) what is the cut off date for making the =
determination=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2) are the institutions which own shares as =
"insiders"=20
included in the quoted numbers?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>By varying the two categories, I am confident that =
all of the=20
quoted numbers and additional values can be determined.</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddukemill@tampabay.rr.com =
href=3D"mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com">Duke=20
Miller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmikegibbons@proactech.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mikegibbons@proactech.com">'Mike Gibbons'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">CANSLIM</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 29, 2002 =
2:02=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] RE: NFI=20
discrepancy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT face=3DArial>(Note to =
cc: Mike=20
and I are having an exchange about data reliability. Anyone care =
to=20
chime in, feel free, please.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Mike:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT face=3DArial>I thought =
moneycentral's=20
was better, 'cause that's where I got the 25% figure: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=3D=
nfi">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=3Dn=
fi</A> (scroll=20
down to "Statistics")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT face=3DArial>Go =
figure!?!? Same=20
category, same source, totally different =
information.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT face=3DArial>I =
double-checked my data=20
with Thomson Wealth Management, a research source through my broker, =
Harris=20
Direct. They say 25.4% held by 18 Institutions. Quicken, =
too,=20
shows 18 institutions at 25.4%. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D656075217-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Mike Gibbons=20
[mailto:mikegibbons@proactech.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May =
29, 2002=20
1:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Duke Miller<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: NFI=20
discrepancy<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi=20
Duke,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Beats me what the right answer is. Here's the link to =
Multex's=20
Institutional Ownership page for NFI</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://yahoo.marketguide.com/MGI/HoldersReport.asp?target=3D%2Fst=
ocks%2Fcompanyinformation%2Finstit%5Fowner&Ticker=3DNFI">http://yahoo=
.marketguide.com/MGI/HoldersReport.asp?target=3D%2Fstocks%2Fcompanyinform=
ation%2Finstit%5Fowner&Ticker=3DNFI</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>When I get the new site finished, maybe I'll have some time =
to=20
research a more reliable source of information. My long term goal is =
to get=20
enough subscribers to be be able to afford an institutional quality=20
database, in the meantime, I have to use free sources such as=20
Multex.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Do=20
you think moneycentral's data is any better?</FONT> <FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I just looked NFI up there and got the same =
answer</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D180492117-29052002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.a=
sp?Symbol=3Dnfi">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ow=
nership.asp?Symbol=3Dnfi</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aloha,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Gibbons<BR>Proactive =
Technologies,=20
LLC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.proactech.com/">http://www.proactech.com</A></FONT></D=
IV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Duke Miller=20
[mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May =
29, 2002=20
4:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Mike Gibbons'<BR><B>Subject:</B> NFI=20
discrepancy<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156350214-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Mike:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156350214-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156350214-29052002><FONT face=3DArial>In =
research NFI, I=20
got a conflict of data on Institutional Ownership. Three or =
four=20
resources show 24 to 25%, yet the Evaluator shows =
68%?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156350214-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156350214-29052002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2>
<P>Everybody should believe in something - I believe I'll have =
another=20
glass of great wine!</P></FONT></DIV>
=
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