Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)


From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:34:29 -0400

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Auditors only present an audited report for the Q4 / end of year typically.
The other three quarters are produced by the company's accounting staff /
CFO. And we have seen a number of companies lately where both the CEO and
CFO quite clearly knew what was going on, and knew it was wrong.

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From: "J. Lobatto" <jlobatto@nyc.rr.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)


Have to admit I find this provision of the law fairly bizarre. How can a CEO
or CFO of a huge corporation personally verify the accuracy of a financial
report. Is he or she supposed to hire his own auditors to audit the report.
If I were facing a possible criminal charge for false certification, I'd
want to........

Jon
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From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@bellsouth.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)


> I think you are referring to a new requirement that the CEOs and CFOs
> personally certify the accuracy of their Q3 financial reports. A false
> certification would be subject to criminal prosecution.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zillagirl" <zillagirl@email.msn.com>
> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)
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> I heard that starting in August the law is different and these people and
> the CEOs will be breaking the new laws?? Didn't listen to all the details
> because I thought Id hear it again by then.  I was wondering if a lot of
> these companies will try to restate to get in under the wire.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duke Miller" <dukemill@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 1:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)
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> > And, if you believe what we've seen lately in the press, the Andersen
> > auditors are going to the company's new accounting firms with the
> > account.  The SAME auditor will be in charge of the audit!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Winston Little
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:56 PM
> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)
> >
> >
> > Let us assume that the second house does a full audit.
> > How much confidence can one have that the second audit is "good"? The
> > rules for treatment of the financials do not appear to be absolute, thus
> > the second audit could just be as full of controversy as the first,
> > perhaps in different areas, as the popular sentiment for criticism
> > changes.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick Wahl" <pjwahl@attbi.com>
> > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 1:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Accounting stuff (off topic, sorta)
> >
> >
> > > Do you blame them for wanting to do a full audit?
> > >
> > > On 12 Jul 2002 at 23:05, Tom Worley wrote:
> > >
> > > > cool way for the Big 4 to increase their revenues and potential
> > > > earnings (BTW, who audits the auditors??). This way they will be
> > > > able to charge
> > for
> > > > two full audits instead of just one, at the expense of the corps
> > > > (shareholders).
> > >
> > >
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