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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:26:32 -0400
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Donald, I recall your post you mention, and saw the confusion. I did not =
respond, and do not recall who did, but I sincerely doubt they intended =
any insult, that is rare here and not tolerated normally, as you have =
experienced. For what it's worth, I use LLUR often, particularly in my =
weekly column posted every weekend (where the term, by the way, is =
explained). I assume you only joined the group this week and have not =
seen my prior columns, nor Jeff's periodic post on how to access the =
years of archives.
In any event, this matter has been well beaten into the ground, I =
suggest all of us get back to CANSLIM discussions, enough time wasted on =
semantics and misunderstandings.
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donald Wallker=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general
thanks for the message John. There seems to be a one sided commentary =
going on in this forum that is predicated on my having started =
something.. When I initially posted on this forum I had the unfortunate =
experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock symbol. When =
I looked it up the value of LLUR I found that it had a value of $0.00 =
. So I made some remark to the person who used this abbreviation that =
the stock had a flat base.. Whereupon, instead of thinking through the =
matter and realizing that I had made an honest mistake due to not =
recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I had made the remark =
about the flat base gave me a sarcastic response and called me" Harvey" =
Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly., especially from =
egotistical types. And, that is how this all began. In any event,. I =
have had a lot of experience trading information with others. And one =
thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when exchanges of =
information become heated, the truth really comes out. Another thing I =
learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a =
sentence and slow down the exchange of information. They are a lousy =
thing to lay on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in =
the shortest possible time period. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] In general
(sigh.) =20
Donald,=20
I am not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been =
reading it on a daily basis for quite a while. I can assure you that =
this board consists of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they =
(almost ;-) always behave cordially and with respect for each other. =
This is by far the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure =
of coming across. And those who act civil are rewarded with some great =
insight into CANSLIM investing.
You, on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults. You =
have a chip on your shoulder. That's an unbiased opinion. What =
reaction do you expect from your attitude?
What is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms? =
Katherine already posted what they mean. You are wrong, they are not =
intended to impress. They *do* convey information. No one "owns" those =
abbreviations and we all use them. Why would we tell a new member what =
the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them? Why not save =
that list for reference (I did) and just read the board for a while =
before passing judgment?=20
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Wallker [mailto:dougald@dmv.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:27 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general
Contrary to your point of viewr, I do not believe you are in charge =
of this forum or in a position to decide what I or anyone else should =
address in the way of subject matter. Moreover the abbreviation IBD is =
obviously well known to all involved with this forum. O(n the other =
hand, the rest of your abbreviations are not. That being the case they =
do not convey information. Accordingly, I believe they are intended to =
impress. Moreover, I'm not the least bit surprised that you took my =
remarks to be an attack on youI. - little boy. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] In general
Donald,
Your post shows that you do not understand what this group is =
about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. It exists to =
help people learn, understand, practice and test their knowledge and =
interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, in fact a =
number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out where IBD =
appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly diverging =
from the rules.
Along the way, specific stocks get mentioned and discussed. But =
this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock picks, hot tips, or =
anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a shorthand, so do I =
use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. Not only are these =
standard terms used in this group for years (as well as the investing =
community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most familiar with. =
And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets posted here, =
usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I could care less, =
frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an investor =
like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, maybe you need =
to do some more studying, or just ask a little more politely if we lost =
you in the dust of adult discussion.
We constantly have new members join this group. Some are total =
novices to investing, some are well experienced investors just new to =
CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are all welcome, =
so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If that is not =
what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to visit.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Donald Wallker=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] In general
I joined this CANSLIM thing with the thought in mind of sharing =
information with a lot of people who are interested in investing in =
stocks and are accustomed to checking out their possible picks on the =
basis of an analysis of IBD input. I really want to hear from any of =
you out there who are of the same persuasion. The people I don't want =
to hear from are the multudes who speak in shorthand because they think =
by doing so they are showing the world that they are big shots.. I don't =
know all the answers but I"d sure like to trade information with =
whomsoever is on line that would like to do the same., so we can =
exchange our information and find a good investment based on facts =
instead of speculation.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Donald, I recall your post you mention, and saw =
the=20
confusion. I did not respond, and do not recall who did, but I sincerely =
doubt=20
they intended any insult, that is rare here and not tolerated normally, =
as you=20
have experienced. For what it's worth, I use LLUR often, particularly in =
my=20
weekly column posted every weekend (where the term, by the way, is =
explained). I=20
assume you only joined the group this week and have not seen my prior =
columns,=20
nor Jeff's periodic post on how to access the years of =
archives.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>In any event, this matter has been well beaten =
into the=20
ground, I suggest all of us get back to CANSLIM discussions, enough time =
wasted=20
on semantics and misunderstandings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddougald@dmv.com href=3D"mailto:dougald@dmv.com">Donald =
Wallker</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:18 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] In general</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks for the message John. =
There seems to=20
be a one sided commentary going on in this forum that is =
predicated on my=20
having started something.. When I initially posted on this forum I =
had the=20
unfortunate experience of mistaking the abbreviation LLUR for a stock=20
symbol. When I looked it up the value of LLUR I found that =
it had=20
a value of $0.00 . So I made some remark to the person who =
used this=20
abbreviation that the stock had a flat =
base.. Whereupon,=20
instead of thinking through the matter and realizing that I had made an =
honest=20
mistake due to not recognizing the abbreviation, the person to whom I =
had made=20
the remark about the flat base gave me a sarcastic response =
and=20
called me" Harvey" Unfortunately, I do not take insults lightly.,=20
especially from egotistical types. And, that is how this all =
began. =20
In any event,. I have had a lot of experience trading information with =
others.=20
And one thing I learned a long time ago is that oftentimes when =
exchanges of=20
information become heated, the truth really comes out. Another =
thing I=20
learned is abbreviations require people to interpret the language in a =
sentence=20
and slow down the exchange of information. They are a lousy thing =
to lay=20
on people who are trying to learn as much as they can in the shortest =
possible=20
time period. </FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djohn.cefaloni@us.army.mil=20
href=3D"mailto:john.cefaloni@us.army.mil">Cefaloni, John L Jr.=20
[AMSTA-AR-WEA]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:'canslim@lists.xmission.com'">'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 18, 2002 =
7:44=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] In =
general</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>(sigh.) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Donald, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I am=20
not one of the main posters on this board, but I have been reading it =
on a=20
daily basis for quite a while. I can assure you that this board =
consists=20
of a healthy mix of novices and veterans and they (almost ;-) always =
behave=20
cordially and with respect for each other. This is by far=20
the most civil message board I've ever had the pleasure of coming =
across. And those who act civil are rewarded with some great =
insight=20
into CANSLIM investing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>You,=20
on the other hand, greet the board with threats and insults. You =
have a=20
chip on your shoulder. That's an unbiased opinion. What =
reaction=20
do you expect from your attitude?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>What=20
is wrong with using abbreviations for commonly used terms? =
Katherine=20
already posted what they mean. You are wrong, they are not =
intended to=20
impress. They *do* convey information. No one "owns" those =
abbreviations and we all use them. Why would we tell a new =
member what=20
the abbreviations mean, if we were trying to impress them? =20
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Why not save that list for reference (I did) and just read =
the board=20
for a while before passing judgment? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320092311-18072002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>John=20
C.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Donald Wallker=20
[mailto:dougald@dmv.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 18, 2002 =
5:27=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[CANSLIM]=20
In general<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Contrary to your point of viewr, I =
do not=20
believe you are in charge of this forum or in a position to decide =
what I or=20
anyone else should address in the way of subject matter. =
Moreover the=20
abbreviation IBD is obviously well known to all involved with this=20
forum. O(n the other hand, the rest of your abbreviations =
are=20
not. That being the case they do not convey information. =
Accordingly,=20
I believe they are intended to impress. Moreover, I'm not the least =
bit=20
surprised that you took my remarks to be an attack on youI. - little =
boy. </FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstkguru@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">Tom=20
Worley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 17, =
2002 11:39=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] In=20
general</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Donald,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Your post shows that you do not understand =
what this=20
group is about, nor what it has been about for the past six years. =
It=20
exists to help people learn, understand, practice and test their =
knowledge=20
and interpretation of CANSLIM. It is not a forum for IBD material, =
in fact=20
a number of members have posted on IBD stories pointing out =
where IBD=20
appeared to be trying to redefine CANSLIM, or were clearly =
diverging from=20
the rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Along the way, specific stocks get =
mentioned and=20
discussed. But this is not a forum for trading / sharing stock =
picks, hot=20
tips, or anything like that. Just as you use the term IBD as a =
shorthand,=20
so do I use terms like DGO, HTMMIS, LLUR, C&H, B/O, DMA, etc. =
Not only=20
are these standard terms used in this group for years (as well as =
the=20
investing community), but they are ones that a CANSLIMer is most =
familiar=20
with. And periodically, a list of terms and abbreviations gets =
posted=20
here, usually when someone with a civil tongue asks for it. I =
could care=20
less, frankly, if you think I am a "big shot", I know I am just an =
investor like anyone else here. If you don't understand the lingo, =
maybe=20
you need to do some more studying, or just ask a little more =
politely if=20
we lost you in the dust of adult discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>We constantly have new members join this =
group. Some=20
are total novices to investing, some are well experienced =
investors just=20
new to CANSLIM. Others are experienced CANSLIM investors. They are =
all=20
welcome, so long as they are civil and adult and act maturely. If =
that is=20
not what you are seeking, then you need to find another group to=20
visit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> =
<A=20
title=3Ddougald@dmv.com href=3D"mailto:dougald@dmv.com">Donald =
Wallker</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] In general</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I joined this CANSLIM thing with =
the thought=20
in mind of sharing information with a lot of people who are =
interested in=20
investing in stocks and are accustomed to checking out their =
possible=20
picks on the basis of an analysis of IBD input. =
I really=20
want to hear from any of you out there who are of the same=20
persuasion. The people I don't want to hear from are the =
multudes=20
who speak in shorthand because they think by doing so they are =
showing the=20
world that they are big shots.. I don't know all the answers but =
I"d sure=20
like to trade information with whomsoever is on line that would =
like to do=20
the same., so we can exchange our information and find a good =
investment=20
based on facts instead of=20
speculation.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></=
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