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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:41:37 -0400
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MessageKatherine:
You are correct on the path of the discussion.=20
It has taken several twists, and turns.=20
The purpose of my note was not in reference to your weekly list.
The cases studies presented in the O'Neil books and IBD Investors Corner =
are compiled with the benefit of 100% of hindsight on what the correct =
assessment and decisions should have been.
As I read the notes with "requests for help", my understanding of them =
is that people were asking for discussion of a current case where the =
outcome is still unknown, and the requester could PARTICIPATE in the =
discussion and track the outcome.=20
Discussion and analysis of current cases also may also be more =
meaningful and interesting, as the tone and speed of the market moves =
has changed from those presented in the books and IBD Investors Corner, =
since there is no hindsight available.=20
At times some of the requests loosely used the term "lists of stocks" or =
"list of potential candidates", which has lead to objections or =
rejections.=20
My recollection of the posts were that some respondents interpreted the =
requests as the requester asking for the analysis work to be done by =
someone else.=20
My belief is that was not the goal of the people asking for the help.
My intent was NOT to in any way imply that you were saying: "that I =
was implying that I didn't want to "do the work for others".
The purpose of this note and my previous ones were not to advocate the =
keeping of any lists other than the ones that each person chose to =
develop.
Instead it was to try to allow anyone to identify a stock, give some =
technical and fundamental information about it and then and only then =
ASK a specific question on some aspect of the situation as it related to =
CANSLIM, and then to PARTICIPATE in any resulting discussion.
I hope that this clarifies the status, and again my intent was not to =
offend you in any way, or to imply that you were unwilling to assist =
anyone.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTMMIS Oath
Winston,
I'm a little confused now....maybe it's because the thread became so =
convoluted. Are you saying that I was implying that I didn't want to "do =
the work for others" when I said that I did not want to post a weekly =
list? If so, that was never my intent. My original comment was simply =
that *any* list is a "crutch" (including those generated by the IBD) =
because it doesn't allow the user to find a personal path to creating =
their own list of candidates. The problem is not with having a list, the =
problem is with having *too many* lists and no means to sift through =
them in a meaningful way.=20
For me personally, I knew that my mining methods were working well =
when I was already stalking trades *before* the stocks were highlighted =
in the IBD. The process of arriving at that particular mining method =
gave me an expanded understanding and confidence in the CANSLIM =
discipline. As Robert E stated so eloquently earlier today in his =
oh-so-Zen post.....the trip is the destination.
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Winston Little=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTMMIS Oath
Duke:
We believe that Martha Stewart (not McCallum) will be available to =
administer the oath for you.
My perception from watching the correspondence on the subject is that =
most if not all supplicants have read one or more of the books and were =
seeking some forum for tracking a case while it was live.
The O'Neil books and IBD are filled with after the fact case studies =
and Monday morning quarterbacking.These are helpful, and the WebLink =
feature has served to improve the status with cases more current.
Unfortunately, I believe that several people have read the requests as =
people asking for others to do the work for the requesters rather than =
for help with more current cases.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Duke Miller=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] HTMMIS Oath
Charley, you the man! =20
And Jeff, if you're listening, how's this for a "what-if"? Just as =
CEO's are signing off on their companies' earnings, what if new members =
sign off on having read at least one of O'Neil's books? A simple =
statement would do: =20
"It is understood by all of the present members that you (as a new =
member) are versed in the CANSLIM methodology and that you have read at =
least one of WON's books."
I don't make this suggestion lightly, Jeff: I'll volunteer to appear =
before the cameras on CNBC as the first member to sign this oath! =
(Provided, of course, Maria B. does the interview!)
Duke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chazmoore@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:16 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Hunting List (nee Watchlist) - Holy =
Tomatoes
Kris: There certainly nothing wrong with lurking, but may I offer =
a suggestion? You have not said if you have read O'Neil's two books How =
to Make Money in Stocks and 24 Essential Lessons for Investment Success. =
This is how most of us got started. The problem I had after I read the =
books was that there was no place to go to ask questions. This forum =
fills that need. I have found that most participants are willing to =
share their knowledge.=20
Good Luck Charley=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Katherine:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You are correct on the path of the discussion. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It has taken several twists, and=20
turns. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The purpose of my note was not in reference to =
your=20
weekly list.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The cases studies presented in the O'Neil books and =
IBD=20
Investors Corner are compiled with the benefit of 100% of hindsight =
on what=20
the correct assessment and decisions should have been.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As I read the notes with "requests for help", my =
understanding=20
of them is that people were asking for discussion of a current case=20
where the outcome is still unknown, and the requester could =
PARTICIPATE in=20
the discussion and track the outcome. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Discussion and analysis of current cases also =
may also be=20
more meaningful and interesting, as the tone and speed of the market=20
moves has changed from those presented in the books and IBD =
Investors=20
Corner, since there is no hindsight available. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>At times some of the requests loosely used the term =
"lists of=20
stocks" or "list of potential candidates", which has lead to=20
objections or rejections. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My recollection of the posts were that some=20
respondents interpreted the requests as the requester asking =
for the=20
analysis work to be done by someone else. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My belief is that was not the goal of the people =
asking for=20
the help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My intent was NOT to in any way imply that you =
were=20
saying: "</FONT><FONT size=3D3>that I was implying that =
I didn't=20
want to "do the work for others".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The purpose of this note and my previous ones were =
not to=20
advocate the keeping of any lists other than the ones that each person =
chose to=20
develop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Instead it was to try to allow anyone to identify a =
stock,=20
give some technical and fundamental information about it and then and =
only then=20
ASK a specific question on some aspect of the situation as it related to =
CANSLIM, and then to PARTICIPATE in any resulting =
discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I hope that this clarifies the status, and again my =
intent was=20
not to offend you in any way, or to imply that you were unwilling to =
assist=20
anyone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 08, 2002 =
12:31=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] HTMMIS =
Oath</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Winston,</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm a little confused now....maybe it's because the thread became =
so=20
convoluted. Are you saying that I was implying that I didn't want to =
"do the=20
work for others" when I said that I did not want to post a weekly =
list? If so,=20
that was never my intent. My original comment was simply that *any* =
list is a=20
"crutch" (including those generated by the IBD) because it =
doesn't allow=20
the user to find a personal path to creating their own list of =
candidates. The=20
problem is not with having a list, the problem is with having *too =
many* lists=20
and no means to sift through them in a meaningful way. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>For me personally, I knew that my mining methods were working =
well when I=20
was already stalking trades *before* the stocks were highlighted in =
the IBD.=20
The process of arriving at that particular mining method gave me an =
expanded=20
understanding and confidence in the CANSLIM discipline. As Robert E =
stated so=20
eloquently earlier today in his oh-so-Zen post.....the trip is the=20
destination.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dwlittle1@peoplepc.com =
href=3D"mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com">Winston=20
Little</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] HTMMIS Oath</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Duke:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We believe that Martha Stewart (not McCallum) will =
be=20
available to administer the oath for you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My perception from watching the correspondence on =
the=20
subject is that most if not all supplicants have read one or more =
of the books and were seeking some forum for tracking =
a case=20
while it was live.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The O'Neil books and IBD are filled with =
after the fact=20
case studies and Monday morning quarterbacking.These are helpful, and =
the=20
WebLink feature has served to improve the status with cases more=20
current.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Unfortunately, I believe that several people have =
read the=20
requests as people asking for others to do the work for the =
requesters=20
rather than for help with more current cases.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddukemill@tampabay.rr.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com">Duke Miller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 08, =
2002 11:34=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] HTMMIS =
Oath</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT face=3DArial>Charley, =
you the=20
man! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT face=3DArial>And Jeff, =
if you're=20
listening, how's this for a "what-if"? Just as CEO's are =
signing off=20
on their companies' earnings, what if new members sign off =
on=20
having read at least one of O'Neil's books? =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT face=3DArial>A simple statement =
would do: =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT face=3DArial>"It is =
understood by=20
all of the present members that you (as a new member) are versed in =
the=20
CANSLIM methodology and that you have read at least =
one of WON's=20
books."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT face=3DArial>I don't =
make this=20
suggestion lightly, Jeff: I'll volunteer to appear before the =
cameras on=20
CNBC as the first member to sign this oath! (Provided, of =
course,=20
Maria B. does the interview!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D203551915-08082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chazmoore@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, =
August=20
07, 2002 7:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Hunting List=20
(nee Watchlist) - Holy Tomatoes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Kris: There certainly =
nothing wrong with=20
lurking, but may I offer a suggestion? You have not said if you =
have read=20
O'Neil's two books <I>How to Make Money in Stocks</I> and <I>24 =
Essential=20
Lessons for Investment Success.</I> This is how most of us got =
started.=20
The problem I had after I read the books was that there was no =
place to go=20
to ask questions. This forum fills that need. I have found that =
most=20
participants are willing to share their knowledge. <BR>Good Luck=20
Charley</FONT>=20
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