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MessageAny ranking number whether it be IBD's, or someone else's, should
only be used to filter the universe to a more manageable set.
Each individual investor will have a different set of parameters on which to
make the first, second, third, etc., cut of that universe.
At some point, the individual investor must still take the time to look at
all the factors affecting the investment decision of their own money.
Just because a stock has a composite score of 90 or higher does not
necessarily mean that it should be purchased and/or sold short.
In the final analysis, it must be your own judgment and if you use a crutch,
you deserve the problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:25 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
Duke, guess it comes from playing with the small caps, where few analysts
bother (or are scared) to tread. So I am used to making up my own mind about
company forecasts. Where an analyst's forecast is available, I always weigh
it with my own judgment to see if it makes logical sense, and appears doable
based on what the company has recently been doing.
Likewise, very few companies that interest me use big 5 (now 4) auditing
firms, so I have been less impacted by the loss of credibility in auditors.
Still, I think most are honest, just dealing with rules that both shift with
time, and are subject to interpretation. I think Andersen was (is) a poor
example in that they were far more susceptible to pressure from companies
they both audited, and advised.
When my wife went through college, I was very capable and able to tutor
her in all her math courses. But when it came to her accounting classes, I
was hopeless, and finally concluded that the only way I could understand
accounting was to read it upside down and in a mirror.
----- Original Message -----
From: Duke Miller
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
So where are we headed?
You have little or no faith in the auditors.
You can't believe ANY analysts ratings whatsoever. (Really, name a
brokerage you think YOU can trust to provide unbiased analysis.)
Now we've got "The Investor's Newspaper" (IBD) feeding us "Same
definition, same data base, same company, different numbers." (What's
really strange is they are CONSISTENTLY different!)
And now our beloved Katherine, who's got more numbers than Carter has
liver pills, cries out, "...don't use the numbers." What numbers can we
use?
Where the hell did I put my darts?
Duke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:03 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
You know, I have a simple solution for this kind of dilemma....don't use
the numbers.
I know it's tempting to use a number like this, as it seems to "tell you
everything" about the stock. But I think once you summarize summary numbers,
you're asking for trouble. I rank the composite score as "mildly useful."
Here's an example. I'll select a couple of stocks that have come up for
discussion here in the last few months: WTW and TOL.
Scores?
WTW = 96
TOL = 95
Yet, look at the charts. WTW broke out today, TOL is rolling over and
playing dead. Doesn't sound like a score of 95/96 "tells" me everything I
need to know about the stocks.
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
Arghhh!
Same definition
Same data base
Same company
different numbers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Triffet
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
Either way, it appears that the IBD data paints a prettier picture
of the
stocks.
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Ricci" <genr@swbell.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated
I just had today's update figures for DGO sent to me.
The 3 columns are 8/9 DGO data
8/12 IBD readings 30 minutes ago
8/12 DGO just received today's download
Hi Katherine, I hadn't checked today and after reading your note, I
'thought' I was in error.
However, I just went and checked several stocks:
8/9 8/12 8/12
DGO IBD DGO
AAON 85 86 83
AIR 38 55 32
ABCB 89 90 90
ABM 77 85 75
ABN 58 67 58
ACE 69 86 71
ACMR 92 95 92
AES 24 30 25
AFCE 72 79 74
AFL 92 95 91
The first ten (10) I checked showed different numbers.
My question still stands, which one is better?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better
Hi Gene,
There seems to be conflicting information on this...See DGO's reply
to my
recent inquiry (7/31) about the very same thing:
Hi Katherine,
Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online.
I apologize, but the recent additions to our services have not yet
been
reflected in our Image Maps resource. We plan on making the update
soon.
TO address your question, I would like to confirm that the Composite
Rating
you see on our service is the same SmartSelect® Composite Rating
that is
provided by the Investor's Business Daily and investors.com.
Please write back if you have any questions or need assistance.
Best regards,
Dan
Daily Graphs Online
www.dailygraphs.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:06 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better
Let's see, IBD provides an Overall Rating and now DGO provides a
Composite
Rating. Has anyone determined which one is better?
Gene
The new SmartSelect® Composite Rating in Investor's Business Daily
and
the Stock Checkup Overall Rating found on investors.com are based on
different formulas.
The SmartSelect® Composite Rating combines all 5 SmartSelect Ratings
into one easy-to-use rating. More weight is placed on EPS and RS
Rating, and the stock's percent off its 52-week high is also
included in
the formula. Results are then compared to all other companies, and
each
company is assigned a rating from 1-99 with 99 being the best. This
rating is designed to help you get a quick feel for how a company's
SmartSelect® Ratings compare to all other stocks in our database.
This
is intended to be an additional tool to help you find the stocks
with
the highest SmartSelect® Ratings, quickly and easily.
The Overall Rating in the Stock Checkup is determined by a
proprietary
formula incorporating all five of the Stock Checkup ratings. These
are
the Technical Rating, Fundamental Rating, Attractiveness Rating,
Group's
Technical Rating and Group's Fundamental Rating. The Stock Checkup
uses
over 30 different variables including all the SmartSelect® Ratings
to
calculate the Overall Rating. When using the Stock Checkup, focus
not
only on the Overall Rating but all 6 of the Checkup Ratings. Also
study
how the stock compares to its group within the individual Checkup
Ratings.
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Each=20
individual investor will have a different set of parameters on which to =
make the=20
first, second, third, etc., cut of that universe.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>At=20
some point, the individual investor must still take the time to look at =
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money.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Just=20
because a stock has a composite score of 90 or higher does not =
necessarily mean=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D010354502-13082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>In the=20
final analysis, it must be your own judgment and if you use a crutch, =
you=20
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom=20
Worley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 12, 2002 9:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Which One =
Is=20
Better - Updated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Duke, guess it comes from playing with the =
small caps,=20
where few analysts bother (or are scared) to tread. So I am used to =
making up=20
my own mind about company forecasts. Where an analyst's forecast is =
available,=20
I always weigh it with my own judgment to see if it makes logical =
sense, and=20
appears doable based on what the company has recently been doing.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Likewise, very few companies that interest me =
use big 5=20
(now 4) auditing firms, so I have been less impacted by the loss of=20
credibility in auditors. Still, I think most are honest, just dealing =
with=20
rules that both shift with time, and are subject to =
interpretation. I=20
think Andersen was (is) a poor example in that they were far more =
susceptible=20
to pressure from companies they both audited, and =
advised.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>When my wife went through college, I was very =
capable=20
and able to tutor her in all her math courses. But when it came =
to her=20
accounting classes, I was hopeless, and finally concluded that the =
only way I=20
could understand accounting was to read it upside down and in a=20
mirror.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddukemill@tampabay.rr.com =
href=3D"mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com">Duke=20
Miller</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 12, 2002 10:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - =
Updated</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>So where are =
we=20
headed?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>You have =
little or no=20
faith in the auditors.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>You can't =
believe ANY=20
analysts ratings whatsoever. (Really, name a brokerage you think =
YOU can=20
trust to provide unbiased analysis.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>Now we've got =
"The=20
Investor's Newspaper" (IBD) feeding us "Same definition, same =
data base,=20
same company, different numbers." (What's really strange is they =
are=20
CONSISTENTLY different!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>And now our =
beloved=20
Katherine, who's got more numbers than Carter has liver =
pills, cries=20
out, "...don't use the numbers." What numbers can we=20
use?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT face=3DArial>Where the =
hell did I put=20
my darts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D546280702-13082002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Katherine Malm<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August =
12, 2002=20
9:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[CANSLIM] Which One Is Better - Updated<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>You know, I have a simple solution for this kind of =
dilemma....don't=20
use the numbers. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know it's tempting to use a number like this, as it seems to =
"tell=20
you everything" about the stock. But I think once you summarize =
summary=20
numbers, you're asking for trouble. I rank the composite score as =
"mildly=20
useful."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's an example. I'll select a couple of stocks that have =
come up for=20
discussion here in the last few months: WTW and TOL.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Scores?</DIV>
<DIV>WTW =3D 96</DIV>
<DIV>TOL =3D 95</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yet, look at the charts. WTW broke out today, TOL is rolling =
over and=20
playing dead. Doesn't sound like a score of 95/96 "tells" me =
everything I=20
need to know about the stocks.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dgenr@swbell.net href=3D"mailto:genr@swbell.net">Gene =
Ricci</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 12, =
2002 7:41=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Which One Is=20
Better - Updated</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Arghhh! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Same definition</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Same data base</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Same company</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">different numbers!</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbtriffet@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:btriffet@earthlink.net">Bill Triffet</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 12, =
2002 6:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Which One Is=20
Better - Updated</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Either way, it appears that the IBD data paints a =
prettier picture of the<BR>stocks.<BR><BR>-Bill<BR><BR>----- =
Original=20
Message -----<BR>From: "Gene Ricci" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:genr@swbell.net">genr@swbell.net</A>><BR>To: =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>Sent:=20
Monday, August 12, 2002 4:50 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which =
One Is=20
Better - Updated<BR><BR><BR>I just had today's update figures =
for DGO=20
sent to me.<BR>The 3 columns are 8/9 DGO data<BR>8/12 IBD =
readings 30=20
minutes ago<BR>8/12 DGO just received today's =
download<BR><BR><BR>Hi=20
Katherine, I hadn't checked today and after reading your note,=20
I<BR>'thought' I was in error.<BR><BR>However, I just went and =
checked=20
several=20
=
stocks:<BR> &n=
bsp; =20
8/9 8/12 =20
=
8/12<BR>  =
; =20
DGO IBD DGO<BR>AAON =20
85 86 =20
83<BR>AIR =20
38 55 =20
32<BR>ABCB =20
89 90 =20
90<BR>ABM =20
77 85 =20
75<BR>ABN =20
58 67 =20
58<BR>ACE =20
69 =
86 =20
71<BR>ACMR 92 =20
95 =20
92<BR>AES =20
24 =
30 =20
25<BR>AFCE =
72 =20
79 =20
74<BR>AFL =20
92 =
95 =20
91<BR><BR><BR>The first ten (10) I checked showed different=20
numbers.<BR><BR>My question still stands, which one is=20
better?<BR><BR>Gene<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message =
- -----<BR>From:=20
Katherine Malm<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>Sent:=20
Monday, August 12, 2002 5:47 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Which =
One Is=20
Better<BR><BR><BR>Hi Gene,<BR><BR>There seems to be conflicting=20
information on this...See DGO's reply to my<BR>recent inquiry =
(7/31)=20
about the very same thing:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Hi =
Katherine,<BR><BR>Thank=20
you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online.<BR><BR>I =
apologize,=20
but the recent additions to our services have not yet =
been<BR>reflected=20
in our Image Maps resource. We plan on making the update=20
soon.<BR>TO address your question, I would like to confirm that =
the=20
Composite Rating<BR>you see on our service is the same =
SmartSelect=AE=20
Composite Rating that is<BR>provided by the Investor's Business =
Daily=20
and investors.com.<BR><BR>Please write back if you have any =
questions or=20
need assistance.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Dan<BR>Daily Graphs=20
Online<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.dailygraphs.com">www.dailygraphs.com</A><BR><BR>----- =
Original Message -----<BR>From: Gene Ricci<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>Sent:=20
Monday, August 12, 2002 4:06 PM<BR>Subject: [CANSLIM] Which One =
Is=20
Better<BR><BR><BR>Let's see, IBD provides an Overall Rating and =
now DGO=20
provides a Composite<BR>Rating. Has anyone determined which one =
is=20
better?<BR><BR>Gene<BR><BR>The new SmartSelect=AE Composite =
Rating in=20
Investor's Business Daily and<BR>the Stock Checkup Overall =
Rating found=20
on investors.com are based on<BR>different formulas.<BR><BR>The=20
SmartSelect=AE Composite Rating combines all 5 SmartSelect =
Ratings<BR>into=20
one easy-to-use rating. More weight is placed on EPS and=20
RS<BR>Rating, and the stock's percent off its 52-week high is =
also=20
included in<BR>the formula. Results are then compared to =
all other=20
companies, and each<BR>company is assigned a rating from 1-99 =
with 99=20
being the best. This<BR>rating is designed to help you get =
a quick=20
feel for how a company's<BR>SmartSelect=AE Ratings compare to =
all other=20
stocks in our database. This<BR>is intended to be an =
additional=20
tool to help you find the stocks with<BR>the highest =
SmartSelect=AE=20
Ratings, quickly and easily.<BR><BR>The Overall Rating in the =
Stock=20
Checkup is determined by a proprietary<BR>formula incorporating =
all five=20
of the Stock Checkup ratings. These are<BR>the Technical Rating, =
Fundamental Rating, Attractiveness Rating, Group's<BR>Technical =
Rating=20
and Group's Fundamental Rating. The Stock Checkup =
uses<BR>over 30=20
different variables including all the SmartSelect=AE Ratings=20
to<BR>calculate the Overall Rating. When using the Stock =
Checkup,=20
focus not<BR>only on the Overall Rating but all 6 of the Checkup =
Ratings. Also study<BR>how the stock compares to its group =
within=20
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