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Thanks for checking on this, Gene. This list is amazing.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gene Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UCBH
Ann, my data source shows growth at 18, not too shabby for a bank...
Charley... I'm awaiting a definitive answer from IBD on institutional =
ownership. I've asked them what they count and what they don't count =
because of the significant differences in the 'numbers' from different =
data suppliers. My second question to them is 'why aren't banks and =
pension funds, etc. counted in their numbers.=20
In the Q&A below, IBD switches between calling it institutional =
ownership and mutual funds... if a bank isn't an institution why doesn't =
IBD just call it funds?=20
What is a level of institutional ownership you consider when =
buying a stock? If too many shares are already owned by institutional =
investors, can that hurt a stock's chances of rising?=20
=20
Answer=20
It is hard to tell how much institutional ownership is too =
much. Therefore, you should place less weight on this factor. Rather, =
focus on the quality of ownership. You want to see at least a few of the =
better performing mutual funds owning the stock you are considering =
buying. In some cases, however, if too many shares are owned by =
institutional investors, this could be bad. That's because it represents =
large potential selling if anything goes wrong with the company or the =
general market.
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chazmoore@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UCBH
Ann: I will give you my thoughts to get you started.=20
Fundamentally, the stock looks sound. You say they lost a fraud suit =
but for the time being the market has not reacted negatively. You didn't =
say when, but if it wasn't yesterday, I wouldn't put much weight on it. =
The market tends to respond very quickly to negative news.=20
You didn't state your investment goals, but in my opinion this is =
not a growth stock. For one thing if institutions own 91% now, there =
simply isn't enough stock available to new buyers to move the price =
significantly. That does not mean they cannot enjoy good steady slow =
growth. The funds own 31%; WON recommends staying below 25%.=20
The real positive for this stock is the Group RS rating, and the =
Price RS.=20
The negative is the very weak market.=20
Charley=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for checking on this, Gene. This list =
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<A title=3Dgenr@swbell.net href=3D"mailto:genr@swbell.net">Gene =
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UCBH</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Ann, my data source shows growth at =
18, not=20
too shabby for a bank...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Charley... I'm awaiting a definitive =
answer=20
from IBD on institutional ownership. I've asked them what they count =
and what=20
they don't count because of the significant differences in the =
'numbers' from=20
different data suppliers. My second question to them is =
'why aren't=20
banks and pension funds, etc. counted in their numbers. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">In the Q&A below, IBD switches =
between=20
calling it institutional ownership and mutual funds... if a bank isn't =
an=20
institution why doesn't IBD just call it funds? </FONT></DIV>
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<TD class=3Dtextcell>It is hard to tell how much institutional =
ownership=20
is too much. Therefore, you should place less weight on this =
factor.=20
Rather, focus on the quality of ownership. You want to see at =
least a=20
few of the better performing mutual funds owning the stock you =
are=20
considering buying. In some cases, however, if too many shares =
are owned=20
by institutional investors, this could be bad. That's because it =
represents large potential selling if anything goes wrong with =
the=20
company or the general =
market.<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DChazmoore@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Chazmoore@aol.com">Chazmoore@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, =
2002 8:58=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
UCBH</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Ann: I =
will give you=20
my thoughts to get you started. <BR>Fundamentally, the stock looks =
sound.=20
You say they lost a fraud suit but for the time being the market has =
not=20
reacted negatively. You didn't say when, but if it wasn't yesterday, =
I=20
wouldn't put much weight on it. The market tends to respond very =
quickly to=20
negative news. <BR>You didn't state your investment goals, but in my =
opinion=20
this is not a growth stock. For one thing if institutions own 91% =
now, there=20
simply isn't enough stock available to new buyers to move the price=20
significantly. That does not mean they cannot enjoy good steady slow =
growth.=20
The funds own 31%; WON recommends staying below 25%. <BR>The real =
positive=20
for this stock is the Group RS rating, and the Price RS. <BR>The =
negative is=20
the very weak market. <BR><BR>Charley</FONT>=20
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