From: Jack Tencza <jtenz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSI
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Holy Cow! Katherine thanks. Seems like I remember seeing this somewhere. Where did you find this in IBD help? Jack - --- Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Morning Tom, > > Yes, they use the same methodology. I recalled we've > discussed the 3 vs 5 yr difference between IBD and > DGO data on the list recently, so didn't mention > that specifically. Here's the IBD definition from > their help files: > > EPS Growth Rate %, 3 YEAR > The compound 3-year growth rate calculated using the > least squares fit over the latest two to three > years' earnings per share on a running 12-month > basis. Growth rate will be calculated only if there > is a minimum of eight trailing 4-quarter periods of > positive earnings (uses a minimum of 11 quarters of > data). > > -Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSI > > > Hi Katherine, > > What I don't know is if IBD is also using the > regression method. The only thing I ever saw > confirmed is that they use only a 3 year period, > while DGO uses up to 5 years when available. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katherine Malm > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSI > > > Hermann & Tom, > > No mystery, just need to know the definition, this > one from the DailyGraph help files (highlighting is > mine). The regression approach is the reason why a > back of the envelope check doesn't always appear to > match their numbers. > > Earnings Growth Rate % > This item is calculated by using a least squares > regression fit over a 3-to-5 year period of earnings > per share based on a trailing four-quarter count. > For example, if a stock is currently in its second > quarter, the first period used in this calculation > will consist of the sum of Q2 + Q1 (of the current > fiscal year) plus Q4 +Q3 (of the prior fiscal year). > Each successive period will be based on the next > trailing four quarters of earnings per share. > > The amount of time used to calculate the Growth > Rate is based on two factors; > > a.. Availability of data > b.. Positive earnings > If a stock does not have at least three years of > positive earnings (based on the trailing > four-quarter method noted above), an "N/A" will > appear. > > The amount of time used for this calculation will > consist of at least three years but no more than > five years of positive earnings per share. If a > four-quarter period sum is negative, that period and > additional earnings further back in time, will not > be used in the calculation of this data item. > > --Katherine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@bellsouth.net> > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSI > > > | Sorry, Hermann, I could have explained better. > In 1998, ANSI earned 30 > | cents. So from 1998 thru last year, earnings > declined from 30 cents to 21 > | cents. That's a 30% decline. Annualized would be > less, so I can't explain > | the -27%. You should note that IBD uses a 3 > year cycle, while DGO (where > | the growth rate shows as +4%) uses 5 years. > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Hermann Ertl" <hertl@attglobal.net> > | To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com> > | Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:14 AM > | Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSI > | > | > | > From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@bellsouth.net> > | > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:00:20 -0400 > | > > | > Jack, a good example of how you have to be > careful with "calculated" long > | > term statistics. In this case, ANSI earned (by > DGO's adjusted > | calculations) > | > a total of 75 cents in 1999, then dropped to 9 > cents in 2000 and 21 cents > | in > | > 2001. So 2001 looks good by comparison, but > lousy on a 3 year basis. On > | the > | > other hand, the forecasts of 51 cents this > year and 77 cents next year > | > continue the short term trend higher at a rate > that well exceeds market > | > norms. > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Jack Tencza" <jtenz@yahoo.com> > | > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:34 AM > | > > | > > | > IBD vital statistics shows ANSI's 3 yr. EPS at > -27%. > | > Am I correct in assuming this is a straight > line > | > calculation? If it was $1.00 3 yrs. ago, today > it's > | > .73? > | > | > | > | Tom, your data do not explain, "3 yr. EPS at > -27%." > | In order to calculate a three year trend (Jack > says, "3 yrs. ago") > | one needs data for four years - you supplied > only data for three > | years. > | > | If you supply data for four years we may can > figure out the answer > | to Jack's question how the three year trend is > calculated, or do > | you know? > | > | Maybe the problem lies somewhere else. Maybe > quarterly results were > | used. > | > | > | > | > | > | - > | -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > | -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > | -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > | > | > | > | > | - > | -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > | -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > | -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > ===== Jack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.
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