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Lin, it is probably not best to trade ECN's for listed stocks. the order =
flow is not there. when you trade NYSE stocks a specialist handles your =
order And a specialist handles trades-usually-for more than one company. =
david
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Lin Wells=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
This is an interesting conversation. I am not sure what "Island" and =
"ECN's" are. If you have the time to enlighten me it would be much =
appreciated.
Thanks,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:31 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH
Ed, I appreciate your Americana theme. But what happened in CVH today =
is not a good thing. Of course you probably part of the old buddy system =
of brokers protecting each other. But filing complaints is a heck of a =
lot better than facing litigation. david=20
=20
Ed, why suggest malfeasance and not file a complaint?=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gene Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject:=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
We had our representative on the NYSE floor go and speak with the
specialist - he hid behind "order imbalance" - floor rules. We =
were
asked if we wanted to file a complaint - we decided no. There =
will be
many more battles like this. What is does do is make us look at
alternatives. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - Island and =
other
ECN's would have given us a fill around 32.50. So we are =
exploring our
execution options. Our CANSLIM philosophy is broken down into =
three
simple parts: Analysis, Money Management and Execution. This =
time, the
3rd element, execution, was the weakest link. So , instead of
complaining about it, we are doing what American's do best, head =
to the
competition with a better product.
Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:29 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH
I got caught in this so-called CVH inbalanced. luckily i had a =
limit
order
in place. although limit orders don't work sometimes- because they =
don't
have to execute limit orders, although they are within the price =
window.
of
course. there were too many eyes on CVH. i was curious what kind =
of
remedy
is there for this specialist's malfeasance, especially for buyers =
@
34.50
and above- more than 10 minutes after placing their market orders. =
david
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
> One of the risks with CANSLIM - too many investors ready to =
pounce on
> too few stocks. We have been stalking CVH for quite a while. =
We put
in
> an order prior to it reaching its pivot (cheating) when NYSE on =
level
> two showed $32.40 offer. As CANSLIMR's moved in to buy - the
specialist
> did not open the book until $34.50. The specialist claimed =
"order
> imbalance" but my source at Pershing said he was working another =
book.
> We were quite upset The stock moved over $2.00 on an imbalance =
of
> 110,000 shs. The market maker was caught flatfooted. We =
quickly sold
> out of our position because we were over the 5% threshold.
>
> Those trading Island or other ECN's may have been filled around
> 32.40-32.50. We watch Time and Sales on all our fills and the =
only
> prints were coming from ECN's. With CANSLIM being one of the =
most
> popular strategies for individual investors, execution is =
becoming
more
> and more difficult.
>
> Ed Gjertsen II
> ed@macktracks.com
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lin, it is probably not best to trade =
ECN's for=20
listed stocks. the order flow is not there. when you trade NYSE stocks a =
specialist handles your order And a specialist handles =
trades-usually-for more=20
than one company. david</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dlinwells1@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:linwells1@charter.net">Lin=20
Wells</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 19, 2002 =
2:31=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
CVH</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is an=20
interesting conversation. I am not sure what =
“Island” and “ECN’s”=20
are. If you have the time to enlighten me it would be much=20
appreciated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</A>=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>david =
frank<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 19, 2002 =
2:31=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CANSLIM]=20
CVH</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ed, I appreciate your =
Americana=20
theme. But what happened in CVH today is not a good thing. Of course =
you=20
probably part of the old buddy system of brokers protecting each =
other. But=20
filing complaints is a heck of a lot better than facing litigation. =
david=20
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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MS'">Ed, why=20
suggest malfeasance and not file a complaint? =
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dgenr@swbell.net href=3D"mailto:genr@swbell.net">Gene =
Ricci</A>=20
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title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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Arial"> <A=20
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Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> RE:=20
[CANSLIM] CVH</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">We had our representative =
on the NYSE=20
floor go and speak with the<BR>specialist - he hid behind "order=20
imbalance" - floor rules. We were<BR>asked if we wanted to =
file a=20
complaint - we decided no. There will be<BR>many more =
battles like=20
this. What is does do is make us look =
at<BR>alternatives. Like=20
I mentioned in an earlier post - Island and other<BR>ECN's would =
have=20
given us a fill around 32.50. So we are exploring =
our<BR>execution=20
options. Our CANSLIM philosophy is broken down into =
three<BR>simple=20
parts: Analysis, Money Management and Execution. This time,=20
the<BR>3rd element, execution, was the weakest link. So , =
instead=20
of<BR>complaining about it, we are doing what American's do best, =
head to=20
the<BR>competition with a better product.<BR><BR>Ed Gjertsen =
II<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">ed@macktracks.com</A><BR><BR>-----Origi=
nal=20
Message-----<BR>From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</A><BR>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
On Behalf Of david frank<BR>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:29 =
PM<BR>To:=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR>Subject:=20
Re: [CANSLIM] CVH<BR><BR>I got caught in this so-called CVH =
inbalanced.=20
luckily i had a limit<BR>order<BR>in place. although limit orders =
don't=20
work sometimes- because they don't<BR>have to execute limit =
orders,=20
although they are within the price window.<BR>of<BR>course. there =
were too=20
many eyes on CVH. i was curious what kind of<BR>remedy<BR>is there =
for=20
this specialist's malfeasance, especially for buyers =
@<BR>34.50<BR>and=20
above- more than 10 minutes after placing their market orders.=20
david<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Edward W. Gjertsen =
II"=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">ed@macktracks.com</A>><BR>To:=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
><BR>Sent:=20
Monday, August 19, 2002 11:36 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20
CVH<BR><BR><BR>> One of the risks with CANSLIM - too many =
investors ready to pounce on<BR>> too few stocks. We have =
been=20
stalking CVH for quite a while. We put<BR>in<BR>> an =
order prior=20
to it reaching its pivot (cheating) when NYSE on level<BR>> two =
showed=20
$32.40 offer. As CANSLIMR's moved in to buy -=20
the<BR>specialist<BR>> did not open the book until =
$34.50. The=20
specialist claimed "order<BR>> imbalance" but my source at =
Pershing=20
said he was working another book.<BR>> We were quite =
upset The=20
stock moved over $2.00 on an imbalance of<BR>> 110,000 =
shs. The=20
market maker was caught flatfooted. We quickly sold<BR>> =
out of=20
our position because we were over the 5% =
threshold.<BR>><BR>> Those=20
trading Island or other ECN's may have been filled around<BR>>=20
32.40-32.50. We watch Time and Sales on all our fills and =
the=20
only<BR>> prints were coming from ECN's. With CANSLIM =
being one=20
of the most<BR>> popular strategies for individual investors, =
execution=20
is becoming<BR>more<BR>> and more difficult.<BR>><BR>> Ed =
Gjertsen II<BR>> <A=20
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