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Thanks Duke - look, I am letting someone else fight my battles for me.
My apologies to the rest of the board! Back to picks.
Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:29 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
PLEASE, let's don't get one of this personal exchanges going again. If
you must throw barbs, do it OFF LIST. Otherwise, you face a strong
chance of being vaporized!!
Duke
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edward W.
Gjertsen II
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:41 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
David -Being in this business for as long as I have and going through
this several times in the past, I have a good idea of where the end game
is. There are rules in place that protect the specialist. As with any
litigation, proving malfeasance or an intent to harm is difficult. In
regard to your accusation of being part of the old buddy system, I chose
not to respond to an obviously flippant comment.
Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:31 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH
Ed, I appreciate your Americana theme. But what happened in CVH today is
not a good thing. Of course you probably part of the old buddy system of
brokers protecting each other. But filing complaints is a heck of a lot
better than facing litigation. david
Ed, why suggest malfeasance and not file a complaint?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci <mailto:genr@swbell.net>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject:
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Edward W. Gjertsen II <mailto:ed@macktracks.com>
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
We had our representative on the NYSE floor go and speak with the
specialist - he hid behind "order imbalance" - floor rules. We were
asked if we wanted to file a complaint - we decided no. There will be
many more battles like this. What is does do is make us look at
alternatives. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - Island and other
ECN's would have given us a fill around 32.50. So we are exploring our
execution options. Our CANSLIM philosophy is broken down into three
simple parts: Analysis, Money Management and Execution. This time, the
3rd element, execution, was the weakest link. So , instead of
complaining about it, we are doing what American's do best, head to the
competition with a better product.
Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:29 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH
I got caught in this so-called CVH inbalanced. luckily i had a limit
order
in place. although limit orders don't work sometimes- because they don't
have to execute limit orders, although they are within the price window.
of
course. there were too many eyes on CVH. i was curious what kind of
remedy
is there for this specialist's malfeasance, especially for buyers @
34.50
and above- more than 10 minutes after placing their market orders. david
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH
> One of the risks with CANSLIM - too many investors ready to pounce on
> too few stocks. We have been stalking CVH for quite a while. We put
in
> an order prior to it reaching its pivot (cheating) when NYSE on level
> two showed $32.40 offer. As CANSLIMR's moved in to buy - the
specialist
> did not open the book until $34.50. The specialist claimed "order
> imbalance" but my source at Pershing said he was working another book.
> We were quite upset The stock moved over $2.00 on an imbalance of
> 110,000 shs. The market maker was caught flatfooted. We quickly sold
> out of our position because we were over the 5% threshold.
>
> Those trading Island or other ECN's may have been filled around
> 32.40-32.50. We watch Time and Sales on all our fills and the only
> prints were coming from ECN's. With CANSLIM being one of the most
> popular strategies for individual investors, execution is becoming
more
> and more difficult.
>
> Ed Gjertsen II
> ed@macktracks.com
>
>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Thanks Duke – look, I am =
letting
someone else fight my battles for me. My apologies to the rest of =
the
board! Back to picks.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>ed@macktracks.com</span></font></p>=
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
owner-</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>canslim@lists.xmission.com<=
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[mailto:owner-</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>canslim@lists.xmission.com</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>] <b><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 19, =
2002 3:29
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>canslim@lists.xmission.com<=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [CANSLIM] =
CVH</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>PLEASE, let's don't get one =
of this
personal exchanges going again. If you must throw barbs, do it OFF
LIST. Otherwise, you face a strong chance of being =
vaporized!!</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Edward W. Gjertsen II<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 19, =
2002 3:41
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [CANSLIM] =
CVH</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>David
–Being in this business for as long as I have and going through =
this
several times in the past, I have a good idea of where the end game =
is.
There are rules in place that protect the specialist. As with any
litigation, proving malfeasance or an intent to harm is difficult. =
In
regard to your accusation of being part of the old buddy system, I chose =
not to
respond to an obviously flippant comment. </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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Gjertsen II</span></font></p>
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color=3Dblue
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>david frank<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 19, =
2002 2:31
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANSLIM] =
CVH</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ed, I appreciate your =
Americana
theme. But what happened in CVH today is not a good thing. Of course you
probably part of the old buddy system of brokers protecting each other. =
But
filing complaints is a heck of a lot better than facing litigation. =
david </span></font></p>
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face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Ed, why
suggest malfeasance and not file a complaint? =
</span></font></p>
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title=3D"ed@macktracks.com">Edward W. Gjertsen II</a> </span></font></p>
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></font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
August 19, 2002 1:56 PM</span></font></p>
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pan></font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE:
[CANSLIM] CVH</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We had our representative on the NYSE floor =
go and
speak with the<br>
specialist - he hid behind "order imbalance" - floor =
rules. We
were<br>
asked if we wanted to file a complaint - we decided no. There will =
be<br>
many more battles like this. What is does do is make us look =
at<br>
alternatives. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - Island and =
other<br>
ECN's would have given us a fill around 32.50. So we are exploring =
our<br>
execution options. Our CANSLIM philosophy is broken down into =
three<br>
simple parts: Analysis, Money Management and Execution. This time, =
the<br>
3rd element, execution, was the weakest link. So , instead of<br>
complaining about it, we are doing what American's do best, head to =
the<br>
competition with a better product.<br>
<br>
Ed Gjertsen II<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">ed@macktracks.com</a><br>
<br>
- -----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com">owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com</a><br>
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank<br>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:29 PM<br>
To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</a>=
<br>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CVH<br>
<br>
I got caught in this so-called CVH inbalanced. luckily i had a limit<br>
order<br>
in place. although limit orders don't work sometimes- because they =
don't<br>
have to execute limit orders, although they are within the price =
window.<br>
of<br>
course. there were too many eyes on CVH. i was curious what kind of<br>
remedy<br>
is there for this specialist's malfeasance, especially for buyers @<br>
34.50<br>
and above- more than 10 minutes after placing their market orders. =
david<br>
- ----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">ed@macktracks.com</a>><br>
To: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</a>=
><br>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:36 AM<br>
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CVH<br>
<br>
<br>
> One of the risks with CANSLIM - too many investors ready to =
pounce
on<br>
> too few stocks. We have been stalking CVH for quite a =
while.
We put<br>
in<br>
> an order prior to it reaching its pivot (cheating) when NYSE on =
level<br>
> two showed $32.40 offer. As CANSLIMR's moved in to buy - =
the<br>
specialist<br>
> did not open the book until $34.50. The specialist claimed
"order<br>
> imbalance" but my source at Pershing said he was working =
another
book.<br>
> We were quite upset The stock moved over $2.00 on an =
imbalance of<br>
> 110,000 shs. The market maker was caught flatfooted. We
quickly sold<br>
> out of our position because we were over the 5% threshold.<br>
><br>
> Those trading Island or other ECN's may have been filled around<br>
> 32.40-32.50. We watch Time and Sales on all our fills and the =
only<br>
> prints were coming from ECN's. With CANSLIM being one of the =
most<br>
> popular strategies for individual investors, execution is =
becoming<br>
more<br>
> and more difficult.<br>
><br>
> Ed Gjertsen II<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">ed@macktracks.com</a><br>
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