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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:12:22 -0500
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I wasn't talking about people using david ryan. i am talking about david =
ryan par excellent stock investor spending his time managing his own =
account versus managing other's peolple's money.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
people putting half a million at risk under someone else's management =
rarely complain, they knew the risks, took the chance (greed factor) and =
vote with their money if not happy with the performance.
they also tend to be people too busy with their own successful careers =
to manage the markets on a daily basis, all too glad to have someone =
else do the worrying and make the decisions, just give them a quarterly =
performance report. tend to be in for the long term, just got to keep =
them focused on the overall portfolio, not the individual pieces.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: david frank=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
Ed, that is my point. if you have $2 million and make 50% for 1 =
year-you have a million profit- using your own account. Why put up with =
the headaches of paperwork and people bellyaching about their money? OPM =
used be the mantra in the real estate market. most of those real estate =
gurus and people that i knew in real estate- using other's people money- =
went bankrupt. I lived pretty much lived in a shack-when i met my =
wife-sold my rare book collection to the university-bought my first =
investment house. Never used OPM or borrowed from the bank. never looked =
back-made good. Works the same way in the stock market if one can become =
the good investor. I believe Ann mentioned a couple of classic =
statements that WON wrote that were in his book-she posted these =
recently-very true statements. thank you, david
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Edward W. Gjertsen II=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
OPM (other people's money) provides leverage. In a hedge fund =
environment, a General Partner can earn 20% profit and 1% management =
fee. Utilizing OPM will enhance a great investor's ability to make =
money. It's not an altruistic pursuit. The downfall (Read Cramer's and =
Marty Schwartz's book) is that OPM brings about many more headaches. =
This is why many in the hedge fund industry close up shop and just trade =
for themselves, that is if they were successful and did not just blow =
up.
Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of david frank
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:31 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
What I find interesting is that David Ryan, I suppose you can call =
him a protege of WON, if he made or makes that much money-why would he =
invest other people's money? I can hardly keep up my own personal =
acoounts. david
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mathews, Craig=20
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
Hello Walter,
He is managing private funds, I forget the exact SEC designation, =
looking for 99 investors to invest minimum of 500K each. I received a =
prospectus last year, did not participate.
Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Wittesch [mailto:waltw@socal.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
Ryan Capital Management
100 Wilshire Blvd
Santa Monica, CA 90401-1110
Phone (310) 260-6805
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of J. Lobatto
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 6:33 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] David Ryan
Anyone know the whereabouts or whatabouts of David Ryan? I do =
recall that he and WON started a mutual fund several years ago that had =
mediocre performance and that was bought out by a fund family. Does he =
still manage money these days and if so, anyone aware of a track record?
Jon
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wasn't talking about people using =
david ryan. i=20
am talking about david ryan par excellent stock investor =
spending his time managing his own account versus managing other's =
peolple's=20
money.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstkguru@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">Tom=20
Worley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 19, 2002 =
9:34=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] David =
Ryan</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>people putting half a million at risk under =
someone=20
else's management rarely complain, they knew the risks, took the =
chance (greed=20
factor) and vote with their money if not happy with the=20
performance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>they also tend to be people too busy with =
their own=20
successful careers to manage the markets on a daily basis, all too =
glad to=20
have someone else do the worrying and make the decisions, just give =
them a=20
quarterly performance report. tend to be in for the long term, just =
got to=20
keep them focused on the overall portfolio, not the individual=20
pieces.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcamelot.homes@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:camelot.homes@charter.net">david=20
frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 19, 2002 8:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] David Ryan</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ed, that is my point. if you have $2 =
million and=20
make 50% for 1 year-you have a million profit- using your own account. =
Why put=20
up with the headaches of paperwork and people bellyaching about their =
money?=20
OPM used be the mantra in the real estate market. most of those real =
estate=20
gurus and people that i knew in real estate- using other's =
people=20
money- went bankrupt. I lived pretty much lived in a shack-when i met =
my=20
wife-sold my rare book collection to the university-bought my first =
investment=20
house. Never used OPM or borrowed from the bank. never looked =
back-made good.=20
Works the same way in the stock market if one can become the good =
investor. I=20
believe Ann mentioned a couple of classic statements =
that=20
WON wrote that were in his book-she posted these =
recently-very true=20
statements. thank you, david</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ded@macktracks.com =
href=3D"mailto:ed@macktracks.com">Edward W.=20
Gjertsen II</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 19, 2002 =
6:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] David =
Ryan</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">OPM (other people’s =
money) provides=20
leverage. In a hedge fund environment, a General Partner can =
earn 20%=20
profit and 1% management fee. Utilizing OPM will enhance a =
great=20
investor’s ability to make money. It’s not an =
altruistic pursuit. The=20
downfall (Read Cramer’s and Marty Schwartz’s book) is =
that OPM brings about=20
many more headaches. This is why many in the hedge fund =
industry close=20
up shop and just trade for themselves, that is if they were =
successful and=20
did not just blow up.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Ed Gjertsen =
II</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
blue">ed@macktracks.com</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
owner-</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">canslim@lists.xmission.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
[mailto:owner-</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">canslim@lists.xmission.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">]=20
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>david=20
frank<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
Monday, August=20
19, 2002 6:31 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">canslim@lists.xmission.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CANSLIM] David=20
Ryan</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I find =
interesting=20
is that David Ryan, I suppose you can call him a protege =
of WON,=20
if he made or makes that much money-why would he invest other =
people's=20
money? I can hardly keep up my own personal acoounts.=20
david</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- =
Original=20
Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black">
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dcraig.mathews@sap.com =
href=3D"mailto:craig.mathews@sap.com">Mathews,=20
Craig</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:'canslim@lists.xmission.com'">'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
</A>=20
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
Monday, August 19, 2002 6:08 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> RE:=20
[CANSLIM] David Ryan</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello=20
Walter,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">He=20
is managing private funds, I forget the exact SEC designation, =
looking for=20
99 investors to invest minimum of 500K each. I received a =
prospectus=20
last year, did not participate.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Craig</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0in"><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Walter=20
Wittesch [mailto:waltw@socal.rr.com]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 18, =
2002 1:38=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
David=20
Ryan</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Ryan=20
Capital Management</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">100=20
Wilshire Blvd</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Santa =
Monica, CA=20
90401-1110</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Phone =
(310)=20
260-6805</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0in"><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
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bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>J. =
Lobatto<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 18, =
2002 6:33=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [CANSLIM] David=20
Ryan</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Anyone know the=20
whereabouts or whatabouts of David Ryan? I do recall that he and =
WON=20
started a mutual fund several years ago that had mediocre =
performance=20
and that was bought out by a fund family. Does he still manage =
money=20
these days and if so, anyone aware of a track=20
record?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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