Go to Jeff Salisbury LWGate Home Page.From: "Dan Forant" <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:18:12 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B7_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0" - ------=_NextPart_001_00B7_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI personally think the IBD is a waste of trees. However most = netters should know how to avoid stepping legally on ones toes. If they = had 500,000 subscribers instead of around 200,000 they probably wouldn't = care. Subscriptions must have dropped like rocks the last few years. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk Duke, the funny thing is, if you don't identify your primary source = and also "blend in" other sources until the final product is your own = creation, they have no complaint. That is what I was forced to do when = my weekly scans of stocks at or close to new highs came entirely from = DGO. Once or twice I posted the spread sheet of data right from DGO's = report, after deleting every stock I didn't mention (from several = hundred down to about 30). Instead of appreciating that I was showing = non subscribers the quantity and quality of CANSLIM data available from = DGO, they threatened me as well. Seems to be corporate policy of both = DGO and IBD, with presumably lurkers from both companies in our midst.=20 They don't seem to mind when you quote current data on a short list of = stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will always wonder just = how many articles printed in IBD were a direct result of ideas, comments = and observations of our postings here, and taken from this group without = any attribution or credit. They are strictly one way, what is theirs is = theirs, and what is ours is theirs as well. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Duke Miller=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk All... Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my = posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in = violation of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com. =20 I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, = and the reactions have been mixed. =20 The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not = everyone on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you = post something herein it is not in violation of their Terms and = Conditions. =20 I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: =20 Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there = (as in non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, = this is it! You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that from = time to time we pass along "privileged" information itself stirs = curiosity amongst lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They = ultimately end up subscribing, etc, etc. =20 I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the = material and it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just = wonder which one of us is the "mole". C'est la vie.... Duke This email, including any attachments, was scanned by Norton = Anti-Virus prior to being sent.=20 - ------=_NextPart_001_00B7_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I personally think the IBD is a waste = of trees.=20 However most netters should know how to avoid stepping legally on ones = toes. If=20 they had 500,000 subscribers instead of around 200,000 they probably = wouldn't=20 care. Subscriptions must have dropped like rocks the last few=20 years.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DanF</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dstkguru@bellsouth.net = href=3D"mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net">Tom=20 Worley</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>= </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 22, 2002 = 9:49=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops = Lurk</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Duke, the funny thing is, if you don't = identify your=20 primary source and also "blend in" other sources until the final = product is=20 your own creation, they have no complaint. That is what I was forced = to do=20 when my weekly scans of stocks at or close to new highs came entirely = from=20 DGO. Once or twice I posted the spread sheet of data right from DGO's = report,=20 after deleting every stock I didn't mention (from several hundred down = to=20 about 30). Instead of appreciating that I was showing non subscribers = the=20 quantity and quality of CANSLIM data available from DGO, they = threatened me as=20 well. Seems to be corporate policy of both DGO and IBD, with = presumably=20 lurkers from both companies in our midst. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>They don't seem to mind when you quote current = data on a=20 short list of stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will = always wonder=20 just how many articles printed in IBD were a direct result of ideas, = comments=20 and observations of our postings here, and taken from this group = without any=20 attribution or credit. They are strictly one way, what is theirs is = theirs,=20 and what is ours is theirs as well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3Ddukemill@tampabay.rr.com = href=3D"mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com">Duke=20 Miller</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20 href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">CANSLIM</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:08 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial>All...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>Earlier this = week I got a=20 Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July = 21st of a=20 spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation of the Terms and = Conditions=20 of Investors.com. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I've = conversed with=20 several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions have = been=20 mixed. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>The point is = the material=20 they provide is proprietary. Since not everyone on this = list=20 subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post something herein = it is=20 not in violation of their Terms and Conditions. = </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I have my own = mixed=20 feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>Silly, = because this list=20 is one of the more respected lists out there (as in non-Yahoo-ish), = and if=20 ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it! You can't = buy this=20 kind of publicity! The fact that from time to time we pass along = "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst lurkers, = whetting=20 their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, etc, = etc. =20 </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I am, = however,=20 respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's for = the=20 personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which one of us = is the=20 "mole".</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>C'est la=20 vie....</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT = face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT size=3D2> <P align=3Dleft>This email, including any attachments, was scanned by = Norton=20 Anti-Virus prior to being sent. </P></FONT> <DIV align=3Dleft><IMG alt=3D"" hspace=3D0=20 src=3D"cid:00b501c24a4b$54ff1100$c900c218@nycap.rr.com" = align=3Dbaseline=20 border=3D0></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_001_00B7_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0-- - ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="USflag.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <00b501c24a4b$54ff1100$c900c218@nycap.rr.com> R0lGODdhSwBLAPcAAP//////zP/M///MzP/Mmf+ZzP+Zmf+ZZv9mmf9mZsz//8z/zMzM/8zMzMzM mcyZzMyZmcyZZsxmmcxmZsxmM8xmAMwzmcwzZswzM8wzAMwAZswAM8wAAJnM/5nMzJnMmZmZzJmZ mZmZZplmmZlmZplmM5lmAJkzZpkzM5kzAJkAZpkAM5kAAGaZzGaZmWaZZmZmzGZmmWZmZmZmM2Zm AGYzZmYzM2YzAGYAM2YAADOZzDOZmTNmzDNmmTNmZjNmMzMzmTMzZjMzMzMzADMAZjMAMzMAAABm mQBmZgAzmQAzZgAzMwAAZgAAM7sAAKoAAIgAAHcAAFUAAEQAACIAABEAAAAiAAARAP///wAAVQAA RAAAIgAAEe7u7t3d3bu7u6qqqoiIiHd3d1VVVURERCIiIhEREQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAABLAEsA QAj/ALEIHEiwoMGDCBMqXMhwyA0TJlIwnEixokUsD00MYbhkiZKPF0OKzDgkxsceH5Wg7JGkBcog HYN8TOLBC8skSXp0aXBkBZQoOXLgWIHigtELE5KSqEFmTIgGAKJK7ULVSwMZB0n2QKnEBc6tSmQG 8aGyJYicOEG0+BhkLJgGXaTKlepFjBkSEAroLfDgwYC/gL9gRUhyxQoWP3NEiQKFheHHjzdIZhFl CpUpUCCveML5SeQNLKZMYSFZMuTSPqdUyaGQpBgxIcB8mf3lAe0GuL1Q7fJlTBUpjjU/RoECg3EU Un47Lo3apxQjRqQ0NswiYUYjixcHzQ6lOwsWnKGo/xZJfuL18ujTF7yRwoQR9fDjy59fsYrDGzfo 62eoVWVKsjL1AIILRxzx0RJCeOTBTUokAUIDMSSxwgaHRSGFaDk0xhlklF04hRSKZZddDlJkBdEQ PpDlg0llscSiR0qE0MMRaTWQBI009eBDGLHpNldUO4VRBhlgxPWjXF2EQdiJWzGohA8yncQSjUe0 0AJOOQXRxBJBCDGhaaeh9tyXzJVpGhWtnbgCDttNJ9xnFEpBBXaafffdhhP6RAVwZqL2RGVV0LmC dSc+5YVVDdCm6BcN/NVACGQIIQYEBkBgKQR9MdroAA2AIYMZVORgGHObQfFcdNOV9sR7S7q336uE tf/HKqy01mrrrbgSVAV7EJmQX676kQTsfiThlFJYXKWUkwdKLLHFFlsSdKwSi3Vn4azBnnhSW1Km RCNKS2wZQoM5eXEWlknA1WkYYoQBxqFecJqopSTYgMNQZJK6AmsG9TcWWSqBsNURXCX4kU1Y9gDA uUkosZQNNhBn3MQYGGbqnFGQ1qdpUFRhokZckcWVC2E1e5ISNLog8I0trdWsYlB41udmUVBBRRRP 6JvvYR5/PERXKoEF5Vgl99DCty3TmGJHS6BwQlJJHSX1BShQYcOlWGcNgQQkpKnRblaBEcLYb+nW hQAC7FbVF2GMQYYMEGwqL26bxjtACGaM8AVgfPf/DQEZC5HUwAMhhMFj2WqrPZVgQsjwhZFgm20k AF3gHQLf8Ka99hhm2NA1oRoFJRRxpJceJgo2FFFGGF5Q3sWhdNMN2N9lFHkk5V6EMIYQTmkK+hBS MGZnd8R7Bx51yU2BAtRGlY6CZjhUIcS7P+7k6dtPTT6Yz28OR9wJSFGtGp8UPuaZZ9RdfFmIIqp3 3rD0vQ+/fPLPDx+v2NqfHnsp5K///wAMoAAHaJD7EFAku+qVrw54EYdAJAUbYaBFhCXBCZ6oghbU yLQ2qKyGKWELBySJy1LiAjCQTFkt8IISmlCGJpDLWOT6yJcOk4MpGOFD/KKftnrwBTAALCU8PMtH /3zQkY+sbGQtiNADrAKBetlLQ3WCQg1BlJnmbIYyPhvXsXwgG5RgKQQ+aEKCgoCWnNxkRkkIAQTY 1a63JO51nZLBGMRAvSO9Tkn90pYSYiC2aekEBM0SgsEi1KSWfAUlKwAKzIIDmSdIETpSWAHFzGQY /2HkRF9I1kdc0IArDXEMHnHBjAqklhnNyCU+GFsIvtC66nkBDGQogw2eBjUJ2FICWPtcHjX4kVWe sGElNFkYZtICD+CoSkJUQhGGUpypSQ11ZhjDEgUwALv1rQB/a9UQeqjJFHIlCGKYiQeuhJMjjNOD RGQmxdaJARREDzNk0gxqovA7IJrLgzEiIU+w5P8BYzYsBkRcghjgcjupNMBtXyioXLwAOG26oAvk /AgYWKSEL5AzJ11gWAxc0BEiZqZ7qMlBFaIQzzBJ5gkl+p3ZrNJDVTJKcm+MY1PC0ICVwutQavsC GQaaOJyqzQt4/B2YErkYk1JyBacSVfc+sy8qQEFnO4vCb7w2hMfgYDH4elOZ1mSEIthgAreEmljF eoK77K1vgNFLE8tQhhBQ9ZWF4xGmFjUbuQ3gCyQQQufA50ykjHUCNjBCvmaWAyr8BgpUVeQi7cTY 4+VJPFWYwgyXmieR1gCXWrtlvdgqg7L97jWxqSm8YufTqAC1DGN4lwBuetOfhoCtRelr83AAnQyt oe93bMrY8IgnTwpFwQihyhN17ISnChlWVOw8Dg6K4FW8YA23ziMOZBrjWPGYQQytdN3r4LWbR8Wy s3a9axNtUAavSmxilhQISWQzmweAgb11rSlVANAAu9CpfIZBn2Z+G9mM7YwFOQBudEJEPMv8brfF I96daGizKbBPsSICioFhRUGFgCgoFawfBgMHkfRueJce/jBBNCzirMiqxIE7MYqto+IVm7h/LiZI QAAAOw== - ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24A29.CE7CDFC0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". 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