Go to Jeff Salisbury LWGate Home Page.From: "Duke Miller" <dukemill@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: RE: New IBD Subscriber Service; Was [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:51:04 -0400
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Jeffrey:
I had a thought that I edited from my original announcement, but your
reply prompts me, if for no other reason than humor, to suggest
something to IBD.
Why don't they just start their own version of this list? I can just
see the announcement now, delivered by none other than Ron Popiel, the
guru of infomercials (remember, The Pocket Fisherman?). The copy in
parentheses is superimposed at the bottom of the TV screen.
"Tired of the same old 20-20 hindsight the folks at IBD gush in their
publication and online service each day? Well relax...relief is only
one more subscription away. Just sign up for our exclusive CAN SLIM
list now. It's a golden opportunity for you to share all your ideas
with others as well as all our editors (IBD has the exclusive right to
use your thoughts and ideas whenever they please without permission).
Pour over the list daily and observe as the world tries to comprehend
how we get away with charging so much for a concept we ourselves
convolute and contradict on a daily basis. The cost will amaze you.
All you have to do is subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Daily
Graphs Online, and our Premium feature that accompanies DGO. Once
you've subscribed to all three, you'll be billed ONLY for what you use
on the list. How much, you say? Hold on...it's not $10 a word, not $5
a word, it's ONLY $1 per word to post your original ideas (IBD retains
exclusive rights to everything. See Terms and Conditions). That's not
all, you pay only $5 for each email message you access to see what
someone else is thinking. How good can it get? Listen, there's more.
Unlike other CAN SLIM lists on the Internet, we guarantee you our
attorneys will not secretly lurk in the dark abyss of cyberspace, eager
to pounce on your submissions. Now isn't that alone worth the price of
admission? Wait...that's not all! If you sign up before we run another
ad in IBD taking credit for calling the crash of 2000, we'll send you
absolutely free, a complete, autographed set of William O'Neil's books
and tapes along with a life-size cutout of WON himself! Order your
subscription(s) today. Call 1-800-CAN-SLIM now!"
Ahhh, aren't you glad the weekend is here.
I'm off 'til after Labor Day. Ya'll have fun.
Duke
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gasta, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 12:32 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk
Hello,
As a new member of this group, I have benefited greatly from folks
posting their own original concepts and ideas. In some cases, DGO and
IBD were one of many sources used to substantiate the presentation. I
cannot appreciate IBD's exaggerated and unwarranted action towards this
group. No doubt IBD has at least one attorney on staff looking to
justify his/her salary.
As others have said, a truly objective and fair evaluation of the
information exchange between this exemplary group and IBD would
conclude that IBD gains far more from us than we from them. The only
difference is that this group does not have a lawyer on staff. Also, I
feel they a picking on the group because it is an easy target. What is
to stop anyone of us from saving charts/data from the IBD and DGO sites
and then sharing that data with several friends via private e-mail?
When I am knowledgeable enough to contribute to this board, I will
simply create an untraceable e-mail account and post items from there.
I'm sure glad that the light bulb was not invented by IBD or the music
and motion picture industries. If it were, we would be paying a royalty
on each bulb, and there would be a lucrative black market for importing
bulbs from Canada.
Sorry for this rant but IBD is really being unreasonable. jg
P.S. IBD come and get me!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Duke Miller [mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:09 PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk
All...
Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my
posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in
violation of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com.
I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, and
the reactions have been mixed.
The point is the material they provide is proprietary. Since not
everyone on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you
post something herein it is not in violation of their Terms and
Conditions.
I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful:
Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there
(as in non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD,
this is it! You can't buy this kind of publicity! The fact that from
time to time we pass along "privileged" information itself stirs
curiosity amongst lurkers, whetting their appetites for more. They
ultimately end up subscribing, etc, etc.
I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the material
and it's for the personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which
one of us is the "mole".
C'est la vie....
Duke
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Jeffrey:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT face=3DArial>I had a thought =
that I=20
edited from my original announcement, but your reply prompts me, if for =
no other=20
reason than humor, to suggest something to IBD. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT face=3DArial>Why don't they =
just start=20
their own version of this list? I can just see the announcement =
now,=20
delivered by none other than Ron Popiel, the guru of infomercials =
(remember, The=20
Pocket Fisherman?). The copy in parentheses is superimposed at the =
bottom=20
of the TV screen. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT face=3DArial>"Tired of the =
same old=20
20-20 hindsight the folks at IBD gush in their =
publication=20
and online service each day? Well relax...relief is only one =
more=20
subscription away. Just sign up for our exclusive CAN SLIM list =
now. =20
It's a golden opportunity for you to share all your ideas with =
others as=20
well as all our editors (IBD has the exclusive right to use your =
thoughts=20
and ideas whenever they please without permission). Pour over =
the=20
list daily and observe as the world tries to comprehend how we =
get=20
away with charging so much for a concept we ourselves convolute and=20
contradict on a daily basis. The cost will amaze=20
you. All you have to do is subscribe to Investors Business Daily, =
Daily=20
Graphs Online, and our Premium feature that accompanies DGO. Once =
you've=20
subscribed to all three, you'll be billed ONLY for what you use on the=20
list. How much, you say? Hold on...it's not $10 a word, not =
$5 a=20
word, it's ONLY $1 per word to post your original ideas (IBD retains =
exclusive=20
rights to everything. See Terms and Conditions). That's not =
all, you=20
pay only $5 for each email message you access to see what =
someone=20
else is thinking. How good can it get? Listen, there's =
more. =20
Unlike other CAN SLIM lists on the Internet, we guarantee you our =
attorneys will=20
not secretly lurk in the dark abyss of cyberspace, eager to pounce on =
your=20
submissions. Now isn't that alone worth the price of =
admission? =20
Wait...that's not all! If you sign up before we run another ad in =
IBD=20
taking credit for calling the crash of 2000, we'll send you absolutely =
free, a=20
complete, autographed set of William O'Neil's books and tapes along =
with a=20
life-size cutout of WON himself! Order your subscription(s) =
today. =20
Call 1-800-CAN-SLIM now!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT face=3DArial>Ahhh, aren't =
you glad the=20
weekend is here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT face=3DArial>I'm off 'til =
after Labor=20
Day. Ya'll have fun.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D250115316-23082002><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Gasta, Jeffrey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, =
2002=20
12:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
[CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As a=20
new member of this group, I have benefited greatly from folks posting=20
their own original concepts and ideas. In some cases, DGO =
and IBD=20
were one of many sources used to substantiate the presentation. =
I cannot=20
appreciate IBD's exaggerated and unwarranted action towards this =
group. =20
No doubt IBD has at least one attorney on staff looking to justify =
his/her=20
salary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As=20
others have said, a truly objective and fair evaluation of the =
information=20
exchange between this exemplary group and IBD would conclude =
that IBD=20
gains far more from us than we from them. The only difference is =
that=20
this group does not have a lawyer on staff. Also, I feel they a =
picking=20
on the group because it is an easy target. What is to stop =
anyone of us=20
from saving charts/data from the IBD and DGO sites and then sharing =
that data=20
with several friends via private e-mail?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>When=20
I am knowledgeable enough to contribute to this board, I will simply =
create an=20
untraceable e-mail account and post items from there. I'm sure =
glad that=20
the light bulb was not invented by IBD or the music and motion picture =
industries. If it were, we would be paying a royalty on each =
bulb, and=20
there would be a lucrative black market for importing bulbs from=20
Canada.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Sorry for this rant but IBD is really being =
unreasonable. =20
jg</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175051616-23082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>P.S. IBD come and get me!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Duke Miller=20
[mailto:dukemill@tampabay.rr.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August =
22, 2002=20
6:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> CANSLIM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] IBD Cops=20
Lurk<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>All...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>Earlier =
this week I got=20
a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my posting on July =
21st of=20
a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation of the Terms =
and=20
Conditions of Investors.com. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I've =
conversed with=20
several members off list regarding this matter, and the reactions =
have been=20
mixed. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>The point =
is the=20
material they provide is proprietary. Since not everyone =
on this=20
list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post something =
herein=20
it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I have my =
own mixed=20
feelings, ranging from silly to respectful: =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>Silly, =
because this=20
list is one of the more respected lists out there (as in =
non-Yahoo-ish), and=20
if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it! You =
can't buy=20
this kind of publicity! The fact that from time to time we =
pass along=20
"privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst lurkers, =
whetting=20
their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, etc,=20
etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>I am, =
however,=20
respectful, because they're right--they own the material and it's =
for the=20
personal use only of subscribers. I just wonder which one of =
us is the=20
"mole".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT face=3DArial>C'est la=20
vie....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390464521-22082002><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Duke</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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