Re: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!)

From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11: Cops CanBeNecessary!)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:33:58 -0400

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Spencer, watch for the FedEx truck pulling up in front of your house next
week sometime. I also thought attribution and quote marks were sufficient,
not so, at least to DGO. I do agree that ignoring our violations of their
copyright marks is likely to set some legal precedent, so they have little
choice but to threaten us for violations. On the other hand, ours is a
private group, entered by request only. It is not a public chat room or
newsgroup, where 50 or 100 thousand unknown people could be seeing what we
post.

If their writers are to take from our group, without any acknowledgement or
attribution, then IBD's or DGO's legalistic attitude towards this group
needs to be moderated. There must be a fair and equitable middle ground.

I cannot believe that the harm to either IBD or DGO over the years by
postings in our group even comes close to the benefit of new subscriptions
by members seeing these WON products so frequently mentioned and / or
recommended.

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From: <Spencer48@aol.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: IBD Cops Lurk (But as we've all found out after 9/11:
Cops CanBeNecessary!)


Tom and Duke:

     Some times I copy&paste passages from the Investors Corner column in
Investor.com.  I have yet to receive notice (legal or otherwise) from IBD
that I shouldn't.   I'm not sure if I'm doing something right or I'm just
being overlooked.

     However, I do make sure that I attribute all the columns (and I usually
only copy&paste passages from the columns) to IBD and to the authors of the
relevant column.  I also put quotes around the passages to differentiate
what
I write from the author's thoughts on the topic.

     However, after saying all this, I can understand why IBD wants to
maintain her proprietory ownership over her intellectual property.  If she
didn't object when she believes non-fair use of IBD property is being used,
then, I believe, in effect, she would be effectively waiving her rights.

jans


In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:50:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:

<< MessageDuke, the funny thing is, if you don't identify your primary
source
and also "blend in" other sources until the final product is your own
creation, they have no complaint. That is what I was forced to do when my
weekly scans of stocks at or close to new highs came entirely from DGO. Once
or twice I posted the spread sheet of data right from DGO's report, after
deleting every stock I didn't mention (from several hundred down to about
30). Instead of appreciating that I was showing non subscribers the quantity
and quality of CANSLIM data available from DGO, they threatened me as well.
Seems to be corporate policy of both DGO and IBD, with presumably lurkers
from both companies in our midst.

 They don't seem to mind when you quote current data on a short list of
stocks, just can't copy directly from them. I will always wonder just how
many articles printed in IBD were a direct result of ideas, comments and
observations of our postings here, and taken from this group without any
attribution or credit. They are strictly one way, what is theirs is theirs,
and what is ours is theirs as well.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Duke Miller
 To: CANSLIM
 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:08 PM
 Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Cops Lurk


 All...

 Earlier this week I got a Certified Letter from IBD warning me that my
posting on July 21st of a spreadsheet from Screen of the Day is in violation
of the Terms and Conditions of Investors.com.

 I've conversed with several members off list regarding this matter, and the
reactions have been mixed.

 The point is the material they provide is proprietary.  Since not everyone
on this list subscribes to IBD, it's important that when you post something
herein it is not in violation of their Terms and Conditions.

 I have my own mixed feelings, ranging from silly to respectful:

 Silly, because this list is one of the more respected lists out there (as
in
non-Yahoo-ish), and if ever there was a bonanza freebie for IBD, this is it!
You can't buy this kind of publicity!  The fact that from time to time we
pass along "privileged" information itself stirs curiosity amongst lurkers,
whetting their appetites for more. They ultimately end up subscribing, etc,
etc.

 I am, however, respectful, because they're right--they own the material and
it's for the personal use only of subscribers.  I just wonder which one of
us
is the "mole".

 C'est la vie.... >>

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