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Mike:
My understanding is that CSTR machines were located primarily in Kroger, =
Albertson and Safeway stores.
Nationwide, these chains have 3600+2400+1770 =3D 7700 locations.
There are 9300 CSTR outlets currently, and promises of installing an =
additional 800 in a year.
However, it so happens that the three named chains have been closing =
outlets faster than snowflakes melting on a summer's day.
Thus the CSTR installation has been shrinking as the stores close, so =
fewer places to pay 9% for someone to count your money.
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Gibbons=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CSTR
Does anyone know what "market saturation" is?
I'm somewhat gratified by the several comments about the strength of =
CSTR's chart, because my own algorithm had rated it top of about 50 CwH =
patterns yesterday. It would have been better with less volatility and =
less volume in the handle, but no stock's perfect.
Aloha,
Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of NANCY POLCARO
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:52 AM
To: canslim
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR
cnbc said it was caused by market saturation.=20
----- Original Message -----
From: David Taggart
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:08 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CSTR
I have a bunch of coin rolls located on my dresser and just fill =
them up as
I go (except for the pennies which go in a bucket in my closet) =
Once a roll
is filled I then use it to buy gas. The gas station people never =
seem to
mind getting a $10 quarter roll or a $2 nickel roll. It works for =
me
because like you I will never haul my change to the store only to =
be charged
for it.
Happy Trading,
David Taggart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine =
Malm
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:51 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR
Hi Mike,
Technically, this chart is about as good as it gets in a market =
like this--A
handle 8/1 to 8/14, breakout 8/15 on volume, an orderly pullback =
to the
pivot since then. I'd be hard pressed to fault the technicals =
unless you
want to argue the somewhat light volume on the right side of the =
cup, which
I won't, because it's insignificant in my mind.
There are a couple of things that kept me away from CSTR---high =
debt load
(though they've been restructuring debt recently, so they stay in =
my sights
in the meantime) and low ROE of 5% (primarily because they only =
turned EPS
positive in the last 4 quarters). Given the market is on shaky =
ground, I'd
rather sit back and watch the behavior of the stock than to dive
in....preferring to stalk the trade on other stocks which are =
fundamentally
stronger, but not yet finished with their bases. I also like to =
sit back and
watch most of the early stocks out of the gate after a =
follow-through and
see how they're acting, CSTR included.
I've often scratched my head at the business model.....seemed =
crazy that you
would *pay* to count your change and be happy to receive some =
crisp dollar
bills and a few store coupons for the "privilege." But I =
understand they're
appealing to a part of the population that is primarily cash-based =
and not
to those of us who've forgotten what it looks like and instead use =
our ATM
card for everything. Recently, however, I've had a greater =
appreciation for
their "service" as my bank has stopped waiving their coin counting =
fees
after doing so for, well, forever.... We've always kept a "change =
can" and
dumped our change each day. When it's full, it's about $200....I'd =
make my
ritual trek to the bank to have them count it out, then that =
evening we
would go out for a pricey dinner, something we rarely do. Now that =
they're
charging, however, the CSTR kiosks become an alternative. =
Personally, I'm
too cheap to pay *anybody* to count my money for me, so I won't be =
using the
bank *or* CSTR...but I'll bet you there are many folks who would =
consider
it. The blurb I saw on the OffWallStreet report mentioned =
something about
"saturation." Though I haven't seen the report and know nothing =
more than
this, I have only one thought when I hear something like that in =
the same
breath as CSTR----Starbucks.
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: <michael_niemotka@baxter.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CSTR
|
| I appreciate all the advice that I have gotten. It is when =
stuff like
this
| happens that makes me question a trading "method". I'm sure if =
CSTR stays
| down, it will only be a matter of time before I see and IBD =
write up using
| their famous 20-20 hindsight to show why it was destined to =
fall. Does
| anyone else see anything in the price volume action that would =
lead them
to
| believe that this was going to happen, or is it the M that is =
still not
| strong enough?
|
| Okay, now I feel a bit better after venting. Thank you all!
|
|
| Mike Niemotka , PE
| Sr. Principal Engineer
| Baxter Healthcare Corporation
| Route 120 & Wilson Road
| Round Lake, IL 60073
| Tel (847) 270-4075
| Fax (847) 270-4525
| michael_niemotka@baxter.com
|
|
|
| "Edward W. Gjertsen
| II" To:
canslim@lists.xmission.com
| <ed@macktracks.com> cc:
| Sent by: Subject: =
RE:
[CANSLIM] CSTR
| owner-canslim@lists.xm
| ission.com
|
|
| 08/27/2002 10:09 AM
| Please respond to
| canslim
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Dear Mike
|
| CSTR was a favorite of many Canslimers - with the problems we =
faced with
| buying CVH recently (too many chasing too few) we are seeing =
similar
| results, which unfortunately are on the downside. You mentioned =
that
| you got into the office late. Remember - there are people who =
do this
| for a living with millions at stake. A slight smell of weakness =
and
| they may sell some of their position to take some risk off the =
table -
| selling begets selling and before you know it CSTR is down over =
20%. We
| have been in this situation several times before - and sold =
quickly -
| and yes much to our chagrin - some stocks came roaring back - =
but in
| other cases the stock kept declining. Throw out your ego - sell =
- - and
| if CSTR sets up again look at buying it. I don't want to get =
too deep
| into wash sale rules, but you can't take and loss on CSTR if you =
buy it
| back within 30 days. Good luck
|
| Ed Gjertsen II
| ed@macktracks.com
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
| [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
| michael_niemotka@baxter.com
| Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:25 AM
| To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
| Subject: [CANSLIM] CSTR
|
| Does anyone know what is going on with this stock? Got in late =
to the
| office today and it is down 18%!!!
|
| I know we are supposed to sell at 7-8%, but now do I sell =
anyway, or
| wait
| it out to see if the day may turn a bit?
|
| Thanks
|
| Mike Niemotka , PE
| Sr. Principal Engineer
| Baxter Healthcare Corporation
| Route 120 & Wilson Road
| Round Lake, IL 60073
| Tel (847) 270-4075
| Fax (847) 270-4525
| michael_niemotka@baxter.com
|
|
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Mike:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">My understanding is that CSTR =
machines were=20
located primarily in Kroger, Albertson and Safeway stores.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Nationwide, these chains have =20
3600+2400+1770 =3D 7700 locations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">There are 9300 CSTR outlets =
currently, and=20
promises of installing an additional 800 in a year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">However, it so happens that the =
three named=20
chains have been closing outlets faster than snowflakes melting on a =
summer's=20
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Thus the CSTR installation has been =
shrinking=20
as the stores close, so fewer places to pay 9% for someone to count your =
money.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmikegibbons@proactech.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mikegibbons@proactech.com">Mike Gibbons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2002 =
3:35=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
CSTR</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D120400119-27082002><FONT face=3DTahoma =
color=3D#000080>Does=20
anyone know what "market saturation" is?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D120400119-27082002><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
color=3D#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D120400119-27082002><FONT face=3DTahoma =
color=3D#000080>I'm=20
somewhat gratified by the several comments about the strength of =
CSTR's chart,=20
because my own algorithm had rated it top of about 50 CwH patterns =
yesterday.=20
It would have been better with less volatility and less volume in the =
handle,=20
but no stock's perfect.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D120400119-27082002><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
color=3D#000080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D120400119-27082002></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
color=3D#000080>Aloha,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#000080></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#000080>Mike Gibbons</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#000080>Proactive Technologies, =
LLC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma =
color=3D#000080>http://www.proactech.com</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>NANCY=20
POLCARO<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:52 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>cnbc said it was caused by market saturation. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
David Taggart</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, =
2002 9:08=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
CSTR</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>I have a bunch of coin rolls located on my =
dresser and=20
just fill them up as<BR>I go (except for the pennies which go in a =
bucket=20
in my closet) Once a roll<BR>is filled I then use it to buy =
gas. The=20
gas station people never seem to<BR>mind getting a $10 quarter =
roll or a=20
$2 nickel roll. It works for me<BR>because like you I will =
never=20
haul my change to the store only to be charged<BR>for =
it.<BR><BR>Happy=20
Trading,<BR>David Taggart<BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From:=20
=
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.=
com]On=20
Behalf Of Katherine Malm<BR>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:51 =
AM<BR>To:=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
CSTR<BR><BR><BR>Hi=20
Mike,<BR><BR>Technically, this chart is about as good as it gets =
in a=20
market like this--A<BR>handle 8/1 to 8/14, breakout 8/15 on =
volume, an=20
orderly pullback to the<BR>pivot since then. I'd be hard pressed =
to fault=20
the technicals unless you<BR>want to argue the somewhat light =
volume on=20
the right side of the cup, which<BR>I won't, because it's =
insignificant in=20
my mind.<BR><BR>There are a couple of things that kept me away =
from=20
CSTR---high debt load<BR>(though they've been restructuring debt =
recently,=20
so they stay in my sights<BR>in the meantime) and low ROE of 5% =
(primarily=20
because they only turned EPS<BR>positive in the last 4 quarters). =
Given=20
the market is on shaky ground, I'd<BR>rather sit back and watch =
the=20
behavior of the stock than to dive<BR>in....preferring to stalk =
the trade=20
on other stocks which are fundamentally<BR>stronger, but not yet =
finished=20
with their bases. I also like to sit back and<BR>watch most of the =
early=20
stocks out of the gate after a follow-through and<BR>see how =
they're=20
acting, CSTR included.<BR><BR>I've often scratched my head at the =
business=20
model.....seemed crazy that you<BR>would *pay* to count your =
change and be=20
happy to receive some crisp dollar<BR>bills and a few store =
coupons for=20
the "privilege." But I understand they're<BR>appealing to a part =
of the=20
population that is primarily cash-based and not<BR>to those of us =
who've=20
forgotten what it looks like and instead use our ATM<BR>card for=20
everything. Recently, however, I've had a greater appreciation=20
for<BR>their "service" as my bank has stopped waiving their coin =
counting=20
fees<BR>after doing so for, well, forever.... We've always kept a =
"change=20
can" and<BR>dumped our change each day. When it's full, it's about =
$200....I'd make my<BR>ritual trek to the bank to have them count =
it out,=20
then that evening we<BR>would go out for a pricey dinner, =
something we=20
rarely do. Now that they're<BR>charging, however, the CSTR kiosks =
become=20
an alternative. Personally, I'm<BR>too cheap to pay *anybody* to =
count my=20
money for me, so I won't be using the<BR>bank *or* CSTR...but I'll =
bet you=20
there are many folks who would consider<BR>it. The blurb I saw on =
the=20
OffWallStreet report mentioned something about<BR>"saturation." =
Though I=20
haven't seen the report and know nothing more than<BR>this, I have =
only=20
one thought when I hear something like that in the same<BR>breath =
as=20
CSTR----Starbucks.<BR><BR>Katherine<BR><BR><BR>----- Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>From: <michael_niemotka@baxter.com><BR>To:=20
<canslim@lists.xmission.com><BR>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, =
2002 10:22=20
AM<BR>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CSTR<BR><BR><BR>|<BR>| I appreciate =
all the=20
advice that I have gotten. It is when stuff =
like<BR>this<BR>|=20
happens that makes me question a trading "method". I'm sure =
if CSTR=20
stays<BR>| down, it will only be a matter of time before I see and =
IBD=20
write up using<BR>| their famous 20-20 hindsight to show why it =
was=20
destined to fall. Does<BR>| anyone else see anything in the =
price=20
volume action that would lead them<BR>to<BR>| believe that this =
was going=20
to happen, or is it the M that is still not<BR>| strong =
enough?<BR>|<BR>|=20
Okay, now I feel a bit better after venting. Thank you=20
all!<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| Mike Niemotka , PE<BR>| Sr. Principal =
Engineer<BR>|=20
Baxter Healthcare Corporation<BR>| Route 120 & Wilson =
Road<BR>| Round=20
Lake, IL 60073<BR>| Tel (847) 270-4075<BR>| Fax (847) =
270-4525<BR>|=20
=
michael_niemotka@baxter.com<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; =20
"Edward W.=20
=
Gjertsen<BR>| =
=20
=
II" &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
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To:<BR>canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>|  =
; =
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<ed@macktracks.com> =
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ission.com<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| =
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08/27/2002 10:09=20
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AM<BR>| =
=20
Please respond=20
=
to<BR>| =
=20
canslim<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| Dear Mike<BR>|<BR>| =
CSTR was a=20
favorite of many Canslimers - with the problems we faced with<BR>| =
buying=20
CVH recently (too many chasing too few) we are seeing similar<BR>| =
results, which unfortunately are on the downside. You =
mentioned=20
that<BR>| you got into the office late. Remember - there are =
people=20
who do this<BR>| for a living with millions at stake. A =
slight smell=20
of weakness and<BR>| they may sell some of their position to take =
some=20
risk off the table -<BR>| selling begets selling and before you =
know it=20
CSTR is down over 20%. We<BR>| have been in this situation =
several=20
times before - and sold quickly -<BR>| and yes much to our chagrin =
- - some=20
stocks came roaring back - but in<BR>| other cases the stock kept=20
declining. Throw out your ego - sell - and<BR>| if CSTR sets =
up=20
again look at buying it. I don't want to get too deep<BR>| =
into wash=20
sale rules, but you can't take and loss on CSTR if you buy it<BR>| =
back=20
within 30 days. Good luck<BR>|<BR>| Ed Gjertsen II<BR>|=20
ed@macktracks.com<BR>|<BR>| -----Original Message-----<BR>| From:=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>|=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of<BR>|=20
michael_niemotka@baxter.com<BR>| Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 =
9:25=20
AM<BR>| To: canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR>| Subject: [CANSLIM]=20
CSTR<BR>|<BR>| Does anyone know what is going on with this =
stock? =20
Got in late to the<BR>| office today and it is down =
18%!!!<BR>|<BR>| I=20
know we are supposed to sell at 7-8%, but now do I sell anyway, =
or<BR>|=20
wait<BR>| it out to see if the day may turn a bit?<BR>|<BR>|=20
Thanks<BR>|<BR>| Mike Niemotka , PE<BR>| Sr. Principal =
Engineer<BR>|=20
Baxter Healthcare Corporation<BR>| Route 120 & Wilson =
Road<BR>| Round=20
Lake, IL 60073<BR>| Tel (847) 270-4075<BR>| Fax (847) =
270-4525<BR>|=20
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