Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis


From: "Katherine Malm" <kmalm@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:17:56 -0500

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Hi Dave,

Ah...and therein lies the rub..... WON talks about institutions "handing =
off stock at the top"... I think that's what the I-Watch chart =
demonstrates. See the price action on the stock leading into 8/26? =
During that time, there was a lot of institutional sell interest. On the =
gap down day and for a few days after, the institutions were sending out =
buy interest messages. If nobody were buying, the price would've dropped =
like a stone and never recovered. No way to tell *who* the sellers and =
buyers were, but shares were certainly changing hands.

Just as a "disclaimer" of sorts, the I-Watch site only shows buy and =
sell interest messages, so it's not going to be a completely accurate =
picture of the activity. It's good enough to give clues, however and so =
I find it useful. Here's the link that gives a full explanation of the =
indicators and how to use them:  =
http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/help/iw_advantages.htm

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: david frank=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis


  Katherine, I am confused about this CSTR Thomson graph. It shows heavy =
institutional selling on 8/26/02. which was an nice low volume up day, =
and heavy institutional buying on 8/27/02, which was that heavy volume, =
gapped down day, losing up to 20%+. Are these graphs really helpful or =
am I missing it all. Thank you, dave
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Katherine Malm=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:27 AM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis


    Hi Sol,

    The I-Watch site is just a way of looking at institutional v. retail =
buying and a summary of institutional buying vs. selling "interest." =
There's really no direct correlation between what you see here and the =
actual volume on the stock, but it does give a clue as to which =
direction the institutional buyers are leaning. I've attached a quick =
mark up of the monthly summary so you can see what I was looking at on =
the chart.=20

    http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CSTRIWatch090402.jpg

    The Institutional interest at 2:1 is actually a *good* thing if the =
interest is primarily buying interest. I only get nervous if most of the =
activity is institutional selling interest and/or most of the activity =
pushing the price up is retail.

    Katherine
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Sol Mayer=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:01 AM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis


      Katherine=20

      Firstly, thank you for your informative links almost everyone goes =
into my "favorites"=20

      Concrerning the failed b/o of CSTR  from 8/16 until the stk broke =
down all the action was on low volume so I'd think even though the =
institutional vol. was 3:1 on 8/22 I probably wouldn't have thought it =
to be distribution I would have thought it was just consolidation of b/o =
on low vol.  . Also, the monthly institutional 2:1 volume I would have =
attributed to buying the b/o  Obviously I missed something can you =
clarify.=20

      Thanks=20

       Katherine Malm wrote:=20

        Hi James,

        I'll add to John's "thanks for a great post" as it's info like =
this that
        helps bring out the more subtle clues when making buy/sell =
decisions. I've
        only recently gotten into the habit of looking at hourly charts, =
as DGO
        didn't have this feature in the older version. Your post is a =
great insight
        as to how this can be helpful as a sanity check on price/volume =
action.

        Here's a resource I use regularly which also helps pick up on =
the more
        subtle aspects of buying/selling in the market:

        http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1B8643B1 (Thomspon I-Watch, view =
8/22)


        This shows the trend in institutional vs. retail buying/selling =
over a
        period of time. The link above is for the view on 8/22, where =
it's clear
        there's heavy sell interest by institutions. (that day, about =
3:1
        Institutions:Retail activity, and 2:1 for the month to that =
point.) Click to
        a monthly view and the heavy sell interest shows up leading into =
the gap
        down.

        http://makeashorterlink.com/?N6C8523B1 (view to date, 1 month)

        Katherine

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "John Calkins"=20
        To:=20
        Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:16 AM
        Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis


        | Hi James,
        |
        | Thanks for your incredible responce to my Failed Breakout and =
Stops! I've
        | tried to look at the intraday charts before but didn't take =
them seriously
        | enough I guess. I have noted before that big moves on high =
volume during
        | the day seemed to be connected to some news or something, but =
was afraid
        it
        | was just market makers or day trading. I can't get more than =
10 days ago
        at
        | BigCharts for a history on CSTR for the time frame but I think =
I
        understand
        | that when you see a CWH pattern within a 5 day then watch for =
a handle to
        | form or breakdown or up in price with high volume. Do you look =
at
        BigCharts
        | for this intraday charting and what is you setting preference, =
such as 5
        or
        | 10 day/ 1 hour or 15 min.? I had been getting my volume/price =
information
        | each day from my telephone service with TD Waterhouse but it =
looks like
        your
        | intra-day charts work much better.
        |
        |
        |
        |
        |
        |
        | ---- Original Message -----
        | From: "James Bond"=20
        | To:=20
        | Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:44 PM
        | Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post Analysis
        |
        |
        | > CSTR presents an interesting example of the importance
        | > of intraday charts. There is no clue of impending
        | > trouble on the daily chart until the stock broke down.
        | > The intraday chart, however, telegraphed the bad news
        | > well in advance.
        | >
        | > Like many other people, I too cannot follow the market
        | > during the day and have to check charts during the
        | > evening. When I have a position open, I check the
        | > chart every night with no exception.
        | >
        | > On Thursday, Aug 22, when this rally was still
        | > advancing, I was surprised that evening to see many
        | > bearish charts among the leading stocks. For example,
        | > FCN had a deterioting relative strength, CCR made a
        | > new high but its relative strength lagged, DORL gapped
        | > to a new high but saw no progress in daily price
        | > (distribution), and PIXR had formed an evening star
        | > candlestick pattern. If one or two stocks were acting
        | > poorly it probably wouldn't have bothered me so much.
        | > When most of the leading stocks were showing signs of
        | > weakness the market was in trouble. At that time I was
        | > long CCR, CSTR, DORL, NUTR, and PIXR. My first
        | > decision was to sell CCR, DORL and PIXR at the open
        | > next morning, and but to keep CSTR and NUTR.
        | >
        | > I changed my mind when I looked at the intraday chart
        | > for CSTR. On the daily chart, CSTR had formed an
        | > impeccible CwH base, with pp at 31.22. The breakout
        | > was on very good volume, and reached a high of 34.2.
        | > Because of a little overhead resistance (as mentioned
        | > by others), it was expected to form a second handle
        | > before breaking out to new highs. This was also noted
        | > by the issue of IBD the day after its breakout. It
        | > consolidated between 32 and 34 the next 5 days, with
        | > nothing extraordinary shown on the daily chart. I was
        | > several times tempted to add shares when it pulled to
        | > low 32's but thougt better of it. My plan was to add
        | > to my position when it broke out of the second handle.
        | > I wasn't even thinking about selling it before I
        | > looked at the intraday chart.
        | >
        | > I was alarmed by the intraday chart. On the intraday
        | > chart, the consolidation between 32 and 34 showed up
        | > as a five day CwH formation, with the appropriate
        | > volume actions (large volume on left and right sides,
        | > dryups on bottom and in handle). Handle high was 33.76
        | > which was the intraday high on Thursday. Everything
        | > was great except for the last hour or so of Thursday.
        | > Some heavy selling came in and broke the handle
        | > formation (little did I know that the Off Wall Street
        | > report was issued to its clients on that Thursday).
        | > WON told us that heavy selling in handle was a sign of
        | > trouble, and a good short can be entered when the
        | > handle low was broken as the volume picked up. Of
        | > course he was refering to daily charts. Intraday
        | > charts work the same way except its validity is much
        | > shorter in duration. If the market were healthy, I
        | > probably would have expected CSTR to pullback and test
        | > the pp and a decision could be made after the test.
        | > But with the other leading stocks weakening, there was
        | > no question at that point that CSTR was going to break
        | > below its pivot point. So I decided to sell it the
        | > next morning along with the others for a small profit.
        | >
        | > I was kicking myself a few days later when CSTR barely
        | > dipped below the pp and then rallied past my sell
        | > price. But that lasted only one day. Thank goodness
        | > the intraday chart gave me the only clue there was.
        | >
        | > As far as CVH was concerned, I ruled it out as a buy
        | > candidate early on. There were several issues with
        | > CVH. First was the lack of confirming strength in the
        | > group - although the group ranking was high, other
        | > stocks in the group either didn't have a proper base
        | > (SIE), or had a wide and loose base (MME). I avoid
        | > groups like this. Second CVH was overowned by
        | > institutions - over 90% of ownership. WON's rule was
        | > less than 50% institutional ownership. Third was a
        | > non-CANSLIM issue: CVH was being investigated for
        | > overcharging government. Although it was an old issue,
        | > as long as it remained unresolved, there could always
        | > be surprises.
        | >
        | > One final note. I don't think taking a 7% loss on
        | > every losing trade is ok. If one takes a 7% loss in a
        | > string of 5 trades (a finite probability), that's a
        | > third of capital lost - too much for any trading
        | > method, considering how hard it is to have a 50%
        | > return (the amount needed to come back). My
        | > understanding of it is that WON didn't intend 7% to be
        | > where you place the stop order. Instead it's the
        | > maximum allowable loss for a single trade. Usually it
        | > should take a screwup to have a 7% loss. If one buys a
        | > stock correctly, a 2-3% loss is achievable if the
        | > stock fails. Sometimes one can even exit with a small
        | > profit if the chart is read correctly.


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<DIV>Hi Dave,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Ah...and therein lies the rub..... WON talks about institutions =
"handing=20
off stock at the top"... I think that's what the I-Watch chart =
demonstrates. See=20
the price action on the stock leading into 8/26? During that time, there =
was a=20
lot of institutional sell interest. On the gap down day and for a few =
days=20
after, the institutions were sending out buy interest messages. If =
nobody were=20
buying, the price would've dropped like a stone and never recovered. No =
way to=20
tell *who* the sellers and buyers were, but shares were certainly =
changing=20
hands.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Just as a "disclaimer" of sorts, the I-Watch site only shows buy =
and sell=20
interest messages, so it's not going to be a completely accurate picture =
of the=20
activity. It's good enough to give clues, however and so I find it=20
useful.&nbsp;Here's the link that gives a full explanation&nbsp;of the=20
indicators and how to use them: &nbsp;<A=20
href=3D"http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/help/iw_advantages.htm">http://iw.=
thomsonfn.com/iwatch/help/iw_advantages.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Katherine</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dcamelot.homes@charter.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:camelot.homes@charter.net">david frank</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
 </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 06, =
2002 6:12=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH =
Failed=20
  breakouts Post Analysis</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Katherine, I am confused about this =
CSTR Thomson=20
  graph. It shows heavy institutional selling on 8/26/02. which was an =
nice low=20
  volume&nbsp;up day, and heavy&nbsp;institutional buying on 8/27/02, =
which was=20
  that heavy volume, gapped down day, losing up to 20%+. Are these =
graphs really=20
  helpful or am I missing it all. Thank you, dave</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
    Malm</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 05, =
2002 9:27=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR =
CVH Failed=20
    breakouts Post Analysis</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Hi Sol,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>The I-Watch site is just a way of looking at institutional v. =
retail=20
    buying and a summary of institutional buying vs. selling "interest." =
There's=20
    really no direct correlation between what you see here and the =
actual volume=20
    on the stock, but it does give a clue as to which direction the=20
    institutional buyers are leaning. I've attached a quick mark up of =
the=20
    monthly summary so you can see what I was looking at on the chart. =
</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CSTRIWatch090402.jpg">http://Wa=
llStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CSTRIWatch090402.jpg</A></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>The Institutional interest at 2:1 is actually a *good* thing if =
the=20
    interest is primarily buying interest. I only get nervous if most of =
the=20
    activity is institutional selling interest and/or most of the =
activity=20
    pushing the price up is retail.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Katherine</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dsmaye1211@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:smaye1211@yahoo.com">Sol=20
      Mayer</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September =
05, 2002=20
      9:01 AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR =
CVH=20
      Failed breakouts Post Analysis</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <P>Katherine=20
      <P>Firstly, thank you for your informative links almost everyone =
goes into=20
      my "favorites"=20
      <P>Concrerning the failed b/o of CSTR&nbsp; from 8/16 until the =
stk broke=20
      down all the action was on low volume so I'd think even though the =

      institutional vol. was 3:1 on 8/22 I probably wouldn't have =
thought it to=20
      be distribution I would have thought it was just =
consolidation&nbsp;of=20
      b/o&nbsp;on low vol. &nbsp;. Also, the monthly institutional 2:1 =
volume I=20
      would have attributed to buying the b/o&nbsp; Obviously I missed =
something=20
      can you clarify.=20
      <P>Thanks=20
      <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Katherine Malm <KMALM@EARTHLINK.NET></I></B>wrote:=20
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">Hi=20
        James,<BR><BR>I'll add to John's "thanks for a great post" as =
it's info=20
        like this that<BR>helps bring out the more subtle clues when =
making=20
        buy/sell decisions. I've<BR>only recently gotten into the habit =
of=20
        looking at hourly charts, as DGO<BR>didn't have this feature in =
the=20
        older version. Your post is a great insight<BR>as to how this =
can be=20
        helpful as a sanity check on price/volume action.<BR><BR>Here's =
a=20
        resource I use regularly which also helps pick up on the =
more<BR>subtle=20
        aspects of buying/selling in the=20
        market:<BR><BR>http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1B8643B1 (Thomspon =
I-Watch,=20
        view 8/22)<BR><BR><BR>This shows the trend in institutional vs. =
retail=20
        buying/selling over a<BR>period of time. The link above is for =
the view=20
        on 8/22, where it's clear<BR>there's heavy sell interest by=20
        institutions. (that day, about 3:1<BR>Institutions:Retail =
activity, and=20
        2:1 for the month to that point.) Click to<BR>a monthly view and =
the=20
        heavy sell interest shows up leading into the=20
        gap<BR>down.<BR><BR>http://makeashorterlink.com/?N6C8523B1 (view =
to=20
        date, 1 month)<BR><BR>Katherine<BR><BR>----- Original Message=20
        -----<BR>From: "John Calkins" <JCALKINS@OLYPEN.COM><BR>To:=20
        <CANSLIM@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Thursday, September 05, =
2002 7:16=20
        AM<BR>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post=20
        Analysis<BR><BR><BR>| Hi James,<BR>|<BR>| Thanks for your =
incredible=20
        responce to my Failed Breakout and Stops! I've<BR>| tried to =
look at the=20
        intraday charts before but didn't take them seriously<BR>| =
enough I=20
        guess. I have noted before that big moves on high volume =
during<BR>| the=20
        day seemed to be connected to some news or something, but was=20
        afraid<BR>it<BR>| was just market makers or day trading. I can't =
get=20
        more than 10 days ago<BR>at<BR>| BigCharts for a history on CSTR =
for the=20
        time frame but I think I<BR>understand<BR>| that when you see a =
CWH=20
        pattern within a 5 day then watch for a handle to<BR>| form or =
breakdown=20
        or up in price with high volume. Do you look =
at<BR>BigCharts<BR>| for=20
        this intraday charting and what is you setting preference, such =
as=20
        5<BR>or<BR>| 10 day/ 1 hour or 15 min.? I had been getting my=20
        volume/price information<BR>| each day from my telephone service =
with TD=20
        Waterhouse but it looks like<BR>your<BR>| intra-day charts work =
much=20
        better.<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| ---- Original Message =

        -----<BR>| From: "James Bond" <JAMES_BOND_3RD@YAHOO.COM><BR>| =
To:=20
        <CANSLIM@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>| Sent: Tuesday, September 03, =
2002 6:44=20
        PM<BR>| Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CSTR CVH Failed breakouts Post=20
        Analysis<BR>|<BR>|<BR>| &gt; CSTR presents an interesting =
example of the=20
        importance<BR>| &gt; of intraday charts. There is no clue of=20
        impending<BR>| &gt; trouble on the daily chart until the stock =
broke=20
        down.<BR>| &gt; The intraday chart, however, telegraphed the bad =

        news<BR>| &gt; well in advance.<BR>| &gt;<BR>| &gt; Like many =
other=20
        people, I too cannot follow the market<BR>| &gt; during the day =
and have=20
        to check charts during the<BR>| &gt; evening. When I have a =
position=20
        open, I check the<BR>| &gt; chart every night with no =
exception.<BR>|=20
        &gt;<BR>| &gt; On Thursday, Aug 22, when this rally was =
still<BR>| &gt;=20
        advancing, I was surprised that evening to see many<BR>| &gt; =
bearish=20
        charts among the leading stocks. For example,<BR>| &gt; FCN had =
a=20
        deterioting relative strength, CCR made a<BR>| &gt; new high but =
its=20
        relative strength lagged, DORL gapped<BR>| &gt; to a new high =
but saw no=20
        progress in daily price<BR>| &gt; (distribution), and PIXR had =
formed an=20
        evening star<BR>| &gt; candlestick pattern. If one or two stocks =
were=20
        acting<BR>| &gt; poorly it probably wouldn't have bothered me so =

        much.<BR>| &gt; When most of the leading stocks were showing =
signs=20
        of<BR>| &gt; weakness the market was in trouble. At that time I =
was<BR>|=20
        &gt; long CCR, CSTR, DORL, NUTR, and PIXR. My first<BR>| &gt; =
decision=20
        was to sell CCR, DORL and PIXR at the open<BR>| &gt; next =
morning, and=20
        but to keep CSTR and NUTR.<BR>| &gt;<BR>| &gt; I changed my mind =
when I=20
        looked at the intraday chart<BR>| &gt; for CSTR. On the daily =
chart,=20
        CSTR had formed an<BR>| &gt; impeccible CwH base, with pp at =
31.22. The=20
        breakout<BR>| &gt; was on very good volume, and reached a high =
of=20
        34.2.<BR>| &gt; Because of a little overhead resistance (as=20
        mentioned<BR>| &gt; by others), it was expected to form a second =

        handle<BR>| &gt; before breaking out to new highs. This was also =

        noted<BR>| &gt; by the issue of IBD the day after its breakout. =
It<BR>|=20
        &gt; consolidated between 32 and 34 the next 5 days, with<BR>| =
&gt;=20
        nothing extraordinary shown on the daily chart. I was<BR>| &gt; =
several=20
        times tempted to add shares when it pulled to<BR>| &gt; low 32's =
but=20
        thougt better of it. My plan was to add<BR>| &gt; to my position =
when it=20
        broke out of the second handle.<BR>| &gt; I wasn't even thinking =
about=20
        selling it before I<BR>| &gt; looked at the intraday chart.<BR>| =

        &gt;<BR>| &gt; I was alarmed by the intraday chart. On the =
intraday<BR>|=20
        &gt; chart, the consolidation between 32 and 34 showed up<BR>| =
&gt; as a=20
        five day CwH formation, with the appropriate<BR>| &gt; volume =
actions=20
        (large volume on left and right sides,<BR>| &gt; dryups on =
bottom and in=20
        handle). Handle high was 33.76<BR>| &gt; which was the intraday =
high on=20
        Thursday. Everything<BR>| &gt; was great except for the last =
hour or so=20
        of Thursday.<BR>| &gt; Some heavy selling came in and broke the=20
        handle<BR>| &gt; formation (little did I know that the Off Wall=20
        Street<BR>| &gt; report was issued to its clients on that=20
        Thursday).<BR>| &gt; WON told us that heavy selling in handle =
was a sign=20
        of<BR>| &gt; trouble, and a good short can be entered when =
the<BR>| &gt;=20
        handle low was broken as the volume picked up. Of<BR>| &gt; =
course he=20
        was refering to daily charts. Intraday<BR>| &gt; charts work the =
same=20
        way except its validity is much<BR>| &gt; shorter in duration. =
If the=20
        market were healthy, I<BR>| &gt; probably would have expected =
CSTR to=20
        pullback and test<BR>| &gt; the pp and a decision could be made =
after=20
        the test.<BR>| &gt; But with the other leading stocks weakening, =
there=20
        was<BR>| &gt; no question at that point that CSTR was going to=20
        break<BR>| &gt; below its pivot point. So I decided to sell it =
the<BR>|=20
        &gt; next morning along with the others for a small profit.<BR>| =

        &gt;<BR>| &gt; I was kicking myself a few days later when CSTR=20
        barely<BR>| &gt; dipped below the pp and then rallied past my =
sell<BR>|=20
        &gt; price. But that lasted only one day. Thank goodness<BR>| =
&gt; the=20
        intraday chart gave me the only clue there was.<BR>| &gt;<BR>| =
&gt; As=20
        far as CVH was concerned, I ruled it out as a buy<BR>| &gt; =
candidate=20
        early on. There were several issues with<BR>| &gt; CVH. First =
was the=20
        lack of confirming strength in the<BR>| &gt; group - although =
the group=20
        ranking was high, other<BR>| &gt; stocks in the group either =
didn't have=20
        a proper base<BR>| &gt; (SIE), or had a wide and loose base =
(MME). I=20
        avoid<BR>| &gt; groups like this. Second CVH was overowned =
by<BR>| &gt;=20
        institutions - over 90% of ownership. WON's rule was<BR>| &gt; =
less than=20
        50% institutional ownership. Third was a<BR>| &gt; non-CANSLIM =
issue:=20
        CVH was being investigated for<BR>| &gt; overcharging =
government.=20
        Although it was an old issue,<BR>| &gt; as long as it remained=20
        unresolved, there could always<BR>| &gt; be surprises.<BR>| =
&gt;<BR>|=20
        &gt; One final note. I don't think taking a 7% loss on<BR>| &gt; =
every=20
        losing trade is ok. If one takes a 7% loss in a<BR>| &gt; string =
of 5=20
        trades (a finite probability), that's a<BR>| &gt; third of =
capital lost=20
        - too much for any trading<BR>| &gt; method, considering how =
hard it is=20
        to have a 50%<BR>| &gt; return (the amount needed to come back). =
My<BR>|=20
        &gt; understanding of it is that WON didn't intend 7% to be<BR>| =
&gt;=20
        where you place the stop order. Instead it's the<BR>| &gt; =
maximum=20
        allowable loss for a single trade. Usually it<BR>| &gt; should =
take a=20
        screwup to have a 7% loss. If one buys a<BR>| &gt; stock =
correctly, a=20
        2-3% loss is achievable if the<BR>| &gt; stock fails. Sometimes =
one can=20
        even exit with a small<BR>| &gt; profit if the chart is read=20
        =
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