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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:11:32 -0800
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Thank you Katherine for teaching me how to fish. Interestingly, of the =
317 names that I found as you showed me, I used your CWH charts to look =
at each stock. I found a little more than half had charts that had =
bases worth concidering a closer look. But just going through each =
chart, with a high speed connection took me nearly 6 hours, a couple of =
hours each of 3 evenings. Would you recommend looking at a simpler, =
faster chart first like your link to bigcharts to get a quick pattern =
scan and start culling out the poor patterns from there? You said you =
didn't grade the chart patterns. If you don't somehow develope a pattern =
grading system, like at least Mike does in his Weekend Review, then how =
do you proceed from here? If I don't want to look at so many charts and =
you recommend that you like the U/D volume to be higher, would you =
recommed screening the U/D volume at say 1.5?
Thanks
JC
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Katherine Malm=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MSN Money Screener Search
Hi John,
You won't be able to duplicate my results on MSN because my forward =
growth rates come from VectorVest and because I'm not sure how MSN =
calculates their Relative Strength Rankings. DGO, HGS and my site use a =
price weighted 12 month ranking which puts 40% of the weight on the most =
recent quarter and 20% weight on each of the preceding quarters.
MSN, like DGO's screener, has an infuriating habit of limiting the =
number of results from any search to < 200. You'll have to break down a =
broad-based search like this into 2 parts to pick up all the stocks for =
RS>=3D60. Each time you run it, you have to check that the query has not =
cut off any of your results, then adjust the break point in the RS to =
accommodate a result of <200 stocks. This particular MSN clone search =
resulted in 317 names, so I'm afraid the overlap is not that great. In =
comparing my personal CANSLIM Hunting screen to the MSN screen below, =
there were 179 names in common, 332 names on my list but not on the MSN =
list, and 138 names on the MSN list but not on my Hunting list. I have =
used the "EPS Growth Next Yr" as a proxy for the VectorVest forward =
growth rate, but you might want to experiment a bit with their other =
available forward estimated growth rates such as "Next Yr Growth Rate." =
I have a friend who uses this particular field and sets is to a slightly =
lower rate (10-12.5 or so).
EPS Growth Next Yr >=3D 15=20
Last Price >=3D 6=20
Avg. Daily Vol. Last Month >=3D 30000=20
Last Price >=3D 0.85*50-Day Moving Average=20
Last Price >=3D 200-Day Moving Average=20
12-Month Relative Strength >=3D 60=20
12-Month Relative Strength <=3D 84=20
=20
=20
=20
EPS Growth Next Yr >=3D 15=20
Last Price >=3D 6=20
Avg. Daily Vol. Last Month >=3D 30000=20
Last Price >=3D 0.85*50-Day Moving Average=20
Last Price >=3D 200-Day Moving Average=20
12-Month Relative Strength >=3D 85
--Katherine=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Calkins
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:11 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] MSN Money Screener Search
Katherine,
Could you show me on how to replicate some of your screens on MSN. =
I'm not sure if I understand it's limitations. I don't think it will =
let me enter percentages.
jc
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http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/finder/finderx.asp?Query=3DSV=
1QF219Z04L15ZF3Z04L6ZF114Z04L30000ZF253Z04L60ZF250Z03F250ZF251Z04F251Z&Na=
me=3DKMclone1&Tickers=3D200
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you Katherine for teaching me how =
to=20
fish. Interestingly, of the 317 names that I found as you showed =
me, I=20
used your CWH charts to look at each stock. I found a little more =
than=20
half had charts that had bases worth concidering a closer look. =
But just=20
going through each chart, with a high speed connection took me nearly 6 =
hours, a=20
couple of hours each of 3 evenings. Would you recommend looking at =
a=20
simpler, faster chart first like your link to bigcharts to get a quick =
pattern=20
scan and start culling out the poor patterns from there? You said =
you=20
didn't grade the chart patterns. If you don't somehow develope a pattern =
grading=20
system, like at least Mike does in his Weekend Review, then how do you =
proceed=20
from here? If I don't want to look at so many charts and you =
recommend=20
that you like the U/D volume to be higher, would you recommed screening =
the U/D=20
volume at say 1.5?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkmalm@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net">Katherine=20
Malm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 12, 2003 =
6:55=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] MSN =
Money Screener=20
Search</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003>Hi John,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003>You won't be able to duplicate =
my results=20
on MSN because my forward growth rates come from VectorVest and =
because I'm=20
not sure how MSN calculates their Relative Streng</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D593152507-12012003>th Rankings. DGO, HGS and my site use a =
price=20
weighted 12 month ranking which puts 40% of the weight on the most =
recent=20
quarter and 20% weight on each of the preceding quarters.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003>MSN, like DGO's =
screener, has an=20
infuriating habit of limiting the number of results from any search to =
<=20
200. You'll have to break down a broad-based search like this into 2 =
parts to=20
pick up all the stocks for RS>=3D60. Each time you run it, you have =
to check=20
that the query has not cut off any of your results, then adjust the =
break=20
point in the RS to accommodate a result of <200 stocks. This =
particular MSN=20
clone search resulted in 317 names, so I'm afraid the overlap is not =
that=20
great. In comparing my personal CANSLIM Hunting screen to the MSN =
screen=20
below, there were 179 names in common, 332 names on my list but not on =
the MSN=20
list, and 138 names on the MSN list but not on my Hunting list. I have =
used=20
the "EPS Growth Next Yr" as a proxy for the VectorVest forward growth =
rate,=20
but you might want to experiment a bit with their other available =
forward=20
estimated growth rates such as "Next Yr Growth Rate." I have a friend =
who uses=20
this particular field and sets is to a slightly lower rate (10-12.5 or =
so).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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width=3D255 height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EPS Growth =
Next Yr >=3D=20
15</FONT></TD></TR>
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
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height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D =
6</FONT></TD></TR>
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
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height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Avg. Daily Vol. Last =
Month >=3D=20
30<SPAN =
class=3D593152507-12012003>000</SPAN></FONT></FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D =
0.85*50-Day Moving=20
Average</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
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height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D 200-Day =
Moving=20
Average</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
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#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>12-Month Relative Strength =
>=3D=20
60</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>12-Month Relative Strength =
<=3D=20
84</FONT></TD></TR>
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
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<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EPS Growth Next Yr >=3D =
15</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D =
6</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Avg. Daily Vol. Last =
Month >=3D=20
30<SPAN =
class=3D593152507-12012003>000</SPAN></FONT></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D =
0.85*50-Day Moving=20
Average</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last Price >=3D 200-Day =
Moving=20
Average</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=3D17>
<TD=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
transparent"=20
height=3D17>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>12-Month Relative Strength =
>=3D=20
85</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D593152507-12012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>--Katherine</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John=20
Calkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:11 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] MSN Money =
Screener=20
Search<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Katherine,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Could you show me on how to =
replicate some of=20
your screens on MSN. I'm not sure if I understand it's=20
limitations. I don't think it will let me enter=20
percentages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><A=20
=
href=3D"http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/finder/finderx.asp?Qu=
ery=3DSV1QF219Z04L15ZF3Z04L6ZF114Z04L30000ZF253Z04L60ZF250Z03F250ZF251Z04=
F251Z&Name=3DKMclone1&Tickers=3D200">http://moneycentral.msn.com/=
investor/invsub/finder/finderx.asp?Query=3DSV1QF219Z04L15ZF3Z04L6ZF114Z04=
L30000ZF253Z04L60ZF250Z03F250ZF251Z04F251Z&Name=3DKMclone1&Ticker=
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