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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:03:17 -0600
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Hi Joe,
Prophet.net has come up in the past along with other free sites for industry
charts/analysis such as BigCharts, WallStreetCity, etc., though not as
frequently. (I'll be sure to add the reference to the list FAQ) If the goal is
to identify movement in the industries or the components of the industry, I see
any site which lists the information is useful.
Just as a point of reference, I thought it would be worth noting the difference
between the industry rank identification methodology at any of these free sites
vs. the IBD/DGO or the QP2/HGS methodology:
- -Both the IBD/DGO and the free sites use the average price of the stocks within
that industry to calculate the percentage change for the industry as a whole.
For example, if there if one stock in the industry that is priced at $500 and 20
stocks priced at $1, the $500 stock is going to pull the weight for the
"industry" as a whole, because it's price relative to all other stocks is very
large by comparison. When averaged across 21 stocks, it creates great influence.
Also, the greater the number of stocks within the industry, the more the
movement of the leaders is masked by the averaging out across all stocks in the
industry as a whole. The same is true in reverse, in which the action of one
particular stock in an industry with very few members can make it appear as
though the industry as a whole is "very healthy." We saw that recently when
Williams' wireless spinoff yanked the whole industry up in the rankings. Every
other stock in the industry was a technical nightmare.
- -Each of the free sites uses a "flat" change in price over some period of time
to identify an industry as being 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.
- -IBD/DGO uses a weighted price movement of the average price over the last 2
quarters. I'd have to look back in my notes to verify the percentages are
correct, but the price is weighted as follows:
--Price change in current quarter * 70% plus
--Price change over previous quarter * 30%.
Industries are then ranked from "best" to "worst" and given a GroupRS from 99 to
1 (and a derivative A-D letter grade) and are also ranked from 1st to 197th in
the IBD.
That means that the IBD is placing the most weight on action in the most recent
quarter with a nod to action in the previous quarter, so there is not a simple
one on one comparison in rankings nor in ranking movement between the IBD
approach and any of the free sites. That doesn't detract from their usefullness
by any means, but it does mean that they are not substitutable for IBD rankings
or the change in rankings over time.
- -From what I've seen, all of these resources plot the average *price* of the
industry over time, but neither the free sites nor IBD/DGO chart the *rank* over
time as Nancy was originally asking about. They do, however, show change in rank
(the IBD only in the industry table in the printed edition), but do not show it
visually.
Katherine
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe McCall
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:19 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use WallStreetCity for Industry Groups -
smallerversion
I haven't heard anyone mention Prophet.net. They do exactly what you are
talking about. Go to "Explore" & "Industry Rankings". You can then show
performance for each of the industries in 2, 5, 10, 15, 20 days, 1, 2, 3, 6
months, 1, 2 years. You can then sort the list by rank OR by rank change. If
you click on the industry, it will show you small charts of all the stocks in
that industry. You can add color volume to the charts and do technical
analysis. It is all free. I am surprised no one mentions this on this group.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: NANCY POLCARO
To: canslim
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use WallStreetCity for Industry Groups -
smallerversion
I may try it out gene but I still dont think it is what I am looking for.
IBD has a similar feature to this one in there industry rankings( I buy the
paper a couple of times a week from the rack). I really am looking for 1
industries move every month for the long term. I can find it in IBD if I set up
my own chart and buy the paper once a month and search for each industry and log
where it is at this month. That would be very time consuming-I appreciate all
your help though. I think Katherine had the right idea of what I was
after-maybe she will incorporate it into her site. I think this chart I am
looking for would give a comprehensive picture of what industries and what
stocks are on the move - and in what direction. Thanks again nancy p.s. on your
urging I did join AAII.:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:52 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use WallStreetCity for Industry Groups -
smallerversion
Nancy, yes ..... you overlooked it.
WallStreetCity has that feature. If you want to see industry movement
click on Big Chart. Big Chart is part of their premium service that costs $9.95
per month. There is a 30-day free trial. Here's their write-up:
Each Monday WallStreetCity publishes a comprehensive industry group
rotation table. This table is designed to show group rotations for the last two
months on a week-by-week basis. The table can help investors profit by
apprising them of the ebb and flow of capital in and out of the various industry
groups. Groups showing large positive moves in industry group ranks indicate a
move higher in the future, while groups showing large negative moves indicate a
move lower for that group. This information is useful because it gives the
investor advanced notice of future group movements. In addition to updating this
chart every Monday, the analysts at WallStreetCity will provide real-world
analytical analysis of the Big Chart to give you a better understanding of this
very important group rotation table.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: NANCY POLCARO
To: canslim
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use WallStreetCity for Industry Groups -
smaller version
great site gene-I looked but didnt see what Im looking for. I found the
industry groups and all the stocks with in them, but not the groups advance or
decline monthly over the last 6 months or year-did I miss it?? Thanks again
nancy
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Ricci
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use WallStreetCity for Industry Groups -
smaller version
I sent out a complete list of industries but the file was too large.
Here's a smaller version.....
sent earlier
I know this might be heresy but why not use the free WallStreetCity?
The industries - names/makeup - are different than IBD but still....
If you click on .BAN Banks (below) it will take you to a chart of that
industry.
When there, change the menu window from: Banks Graph Industry
to:
Banks List of Stocks
Will give you a quick snapshot of how the group is doing and the
stocks within the group.
You can change Banks to ALL INDUSTRY GROUPS to see the entire list.
Symbol Description Symbol Description
.BAN Banks .OFU Home/office/equipment
regards,
Gene
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Hi=20
Joe,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Prophet.net =
has come up=20
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such as=20
BigCharts, WallStreetCity, etc., though not as frequently. (I'll be sure =
to add=20
the reference to the list FAQ) If the goal is to identify movement =
in the=20
industries or the components of the industry, I see any site which lists =
the=20
information is useful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Just as a =
point of=20
reference, I thought it would be worth noting the difference between the =
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the=20
IBD/DGO or the QP2/HGS methodology:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>-Both the =
IBD/DGO and the=20
free sites use the average price of the stocks within that industry to =
calculate=20
the percentage change for the industry as a whole. For example, if there =
if one=20
stock in the industry that is priced at $500 and 20 stocks priced at $1, =
the=20
$500 stock is going to pull the weight for the "industry" as a whole, =
because=20
it's price relative to all other stocks is very large by comparison. =
When=20
averaged across 21 stocks, it creates great influence. Also, the greater =
the=20
number of stocks within the industry, the more the movement of the =
leaders is=20
masked by the averaging out across all stocks in the industry as a =
whole. The=20
same is true in reverse, in which the action of one particular stock in =
an=20
industry with very few members can make it appear as though the industry =
as a=20
whole is "very healthy." We saw that recently when Williams' wireless =
spinoff=20
yanked the whole industry up in the rankings. Every other stock in the =
industry=20
was a technical nightmare.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>-Each of the =
free sites=20
uses a "flat" change in price over some period of time to identify an =
industry=20
as being 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>-IBD/DGO uses =
a weighted=20
price movement of the average price over the last 2 quarters. I'd have =
to look=20
back in my notes to verify the percentages are correct, but the price is =
weighted as follows:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003> --Price change in current =
quarter *=20
70% plus</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003> --Price change over =
previous quarter=20
* 30%.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Industries =
are then=20
ranked from "best" to "worst" and given a GroupRS from 99 to 1 (and a =
derivative=20
A-D letter grade) and are also ranked from 1st to 197th in the=20
IBD.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>That means =
that the IBD=20
is placing the most weight on action in the most recent quarter with a =
nod to=20
action in the previous quarter, so there is not a simple one on one =
comparison=20
in rankings nor in ranking movement between the IBD approach and any of =
the free=20
sites. That doesn't detract from their usefullness by any means, but it =
does=20
mean that they are not substitutable for IBD rankings or the change in =
rankings=20
over time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>-From what =
I've seen, all=20
of these resources plot the average *price* of the industry over time, =
but=20
neither the free sites nor IBD/DGO chart the *rank* over time as Nancy =
was=20
originally asking about. They do, however, show change in rank (the =
IBD=20
only in the industry table in the printed edition), but do not show it=20
visually.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana>Katherine</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468114218-14032003></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
class=3D468114218-14032003><FONT =
face=3Dverdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D468114218-14032003> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe=20
McCall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 14, 2003 12:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Why Not Use=20
WallStreetCity for Industry Groups - smallerversion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma>I haven't heard anyone mention =
Prophet.net. They=20
do exactly what you are talking about. Go to "Explore"=20
& "Industry Rankings". You can then show performance =
for each=20
of the industries in 2, 5, 10, 15, 20 days, 1, 2, 3, 6 months, 1, =
2=20
years. You can then sort the list by rank OR by rank =
change. If=20
you click on the industry, it will show you small charts of all the =
stocks in=20
that industry. You can add color volume to the charts and do =
technical=20
analysis. It is all free. I am surprised no one =
mentions=20
this on this group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma>Joe</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DZILLAGIRL@msn.com href=3D"mailto:ZILLAGIRL@msn.com">NANCY =
POLCARO</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 13, =
2003 9:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Why =
Not Use=20
WallStreetCity for Industry Groups - smallerversion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I may try it out gene but I still dont think it is what I am =
looking=20
for. IBD has a similar feature to this one in there =
industry=20
rankings( I buy the paper a couple of times a week from the =
rack). I=20
really am looking for 1 industries move every month for the long =
term. =20
I can find it in IBD if I set up my own chart and buy the paper once =
a month=20
and search for each industry and log where it is at this =
month. That=20
would be very time consuming-I appreciate all your help =
though. I=20
think Katherine had the right idea of what I was after-maybe she =
will=20
incorporate it into her site. I think this chart I am looking =
for=20
would give a comprehensive picture of what industries and what =
stocks are on=20
the move - and in what direction. Thanks again nancy p.s. on =
your=20
urging I did join AAII.:-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
Gene Ricci</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 13, =
2003 6:52=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] Why =
Not Use=20
WallStreetCity for Industry Groups - smallerversion</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3>Nancy, yes ..... you =
overlooked it.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3>WallStreetCity has =
that=20
feature. If you want to see industry movement click on Big Chart. =
Big=20
Chart is part of their premium service that costs $9.95 per month. =
There=20
is a 30-day free trial. Here's their write-up:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D2><I>Each Monday =
WallStreetCity=20
publishes a comprehensive industry group rotation table. =
This table=20
is designed to show group rotations for the last two months on a=20
week-by-week basis. The table can help investors profit by =
apprising=20
them of the ebb and flow of capital in and out of the various =
industry=20
groups. Groups showing large positive moves in industry group =
ranks=20
indicate a move higher in the future, while groups showing large =
negative=20
moves indicate a move lower for that group. This information is =
useful=20
because it gives the investor advanced notice of future group =
movements.=20
In addition to updating this chart every Monday, the analysts at=20
WallStreetCity will provide real-world analytical analysis of the =
Big=20
Chart to give you a better understanding of this very important =
group=20
rotation table.</I></FONT></P>
<P><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4>Gene</FONT></EM></P>
<P><EM><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></EM> </P></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DZILLAGIRL@msn.com =
href=3D"mailto:ZILLAGIRL@msn.com">NANCY=20
POLCARO</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 13, =
2003 2:57=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
Why Not Use=20
WallStreetCity for Industry Groups - smaller version</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>great site gene-I looked but didnt see what Im looking for. =
I found=20
the industry groups and all the stocks with in them, but not the =
groups=20
advance or decline monthly over the last 6 months or year-did I =
miss=20
it?? Thanks again nancy</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message =
- -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
Gene Ricci</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March =
13, 2003=20
11:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [CANSLIM] Why =
Not Use=20
WallStreetCity for Industry Groups - smaller version</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I sent out a complete list =
of=20
industries but the file was too large. Here's a smaller=20
version.....<BR><BR><U>sent earlier</U><BR><BR>I know this =
might be=20
heresy but why not use the free WallStreetCity?<BR>The =
industries -=20
names/makeup - are different than IBD but still.... <BR><BR>If =
you=20
click on .BAN Banks (below) it will take you to a chart of =
that=20
industry.<BR><BR>When there, change the menu window from:=20
Banks Graph=20
=
Industry<BR> &=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
to: Banks List of Stocks<BR><BR>Will give you a =
quick=20
snapshot of how the group is doing and the stocks within the=20
group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">You can change Banks to ALL =
INDUSTRY=20
GROUPS to see the entire list.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" =
border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD width=3D8></TD>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%">
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D1 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" =
bgColor=3D#ffffff=20
border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TH bgColor=3D#6666cc><FONT class=3Dcntbartxt =
color=3D#ffffff=20
size=3D2><B>Symbol</B></FONT></TH>
<TH bgColor=3D#6666cc><FONT class=3Dcntbartxt =
color=3D#ffffff=20
size=3D2><B>Description</B></FONT></TH>
<TH bgColor=3D#6666cc><FONT class=3Dcntbartxt =
color=3D#ffffff=20
size=3D2><B>Symbol</B></FONT></TH>
<TH bgColor=3D#6666cc><FONT class=3Dcntbartxt =
color=3D#ffffff=20
size=3D2><B>Description</B></FONT></TH></TR>
<TR class=3Dr1style>
<TD class=3Dtdt><A=20
=
href=3D"http://host.wallstreetcity.com/wsc2/Industry_Group_Analysis.html?=
Symbol=3D.BAN&Button=3DGraph&Units=3D1&template=3Dindanaly.ht=
m"><FONT=20
color=3D#000066>.BAN</FONT></A> </TD>
<TD class=3Dtdt noWrap>Banks</TD>
<TD class=3Dtdt><A=20
=
href=3D"http://host.wallstreetcity.com/wsc2/Industry_Group_Analysis.html?=
Symbol=3D.OFU&Button=3DGraph&Units=3D1&template=3Dindanaly.ht=
m"><FONT=20
color=3D#000066>.OFU</FONT></A> </TD>
<TD class=3Dtdt=20
=
noWrap>Home/office/equipment</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY><=
/TABLE></DIV>
<DIV></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS">Gene</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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