Re: [CANSLIM] OFF TOPIC, stop order question


From: "Mike Lucero" <m.lucero@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFF TOPIC, stop order question
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:41:44 -0800

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I have had similar problems setting stop orders at night using Schwab. I
believe the cause is the Bid and Ask moving around in after-hours trading.
If I call Schwab, the brokers are able to place a stop order inside of these
big ranges, and they will give me the Internet price since their software
won't let me do it myself.

Mike
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Subject: [CANSLIM] OFF TOPIC, stop order question


> I have had several stop orders rejected by E*Trade
> recently and would like to know if other brokers have
> the same restrictions.  E*Trade requires the stop
> price to be:
>
> at least Ask + $0.10 for a buy order
> at most  Bid - $0.10 for a sell order
>
> Further aggravating the situation, my rejected orders
> were placed after the market had closed when
> (according to E*Trade) the Bid and/or Ask prices are
> essentially undefined.  Has anyone had a similar
> experience with other brokers?
>
>
> My correspondence with E*Trade follows:
>
> I tried to place a stop order on 3/19/03 at approx.
> 1:00 am EDT, clearly after the market had closed.  The
> order I wanted to place was:
>
> Buy 500 PWI, STOP @ $16.98
>
> The order was rejected so I tried a market order for
> the same security.  The confirmation page for the
> order (which I canceled) showed the following for PWI:
>
> Price: $16.80
> Bid:   $13.12
> Ask:   $33.76
>
> I assume that my stop order was rejected because it
> was not outside of the bid/ask price range.  Where did
> these prices for the bid/ask come from??!!  The ask
> price is 70% higher than the 52-week high for PWI!
>
> I experienced a similar problem the day before on an
> order for DAKT.  The price spread was not as
> unbelievable as the one for PWI but my order was still
> rejected.
>
> E*Trade's response:
>
> The skewed Bid/Ask that you see when the market is
> closed is simply information that the market maker
> reports once the market is closed.  It is not
> indicative of any actual Bid or Ask for that very
> reason.  As such, it means that most stop orders have
> to be placed when the market is open as the orders
> need to be at least $0.10 above the Ask for a buy
> order and $0.10 below the Bid for a sell order.
>
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